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30 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

"Emirates Team New Zealand was therefore very surprised to learn that the current stance of the Challenger of Record in relation to wind limits does not reflect the collective position of all Challengers. The Defender's position on the Wind Limits is what is needed to ensure a quality event in Auckland for the benefit of the New Zealand public, international visitors and the world audience."

So ETNZ signed a protocol with no right whatsoever to the other challengers, never included words like "vote" or even "consulting". They know from the beginning that "representing the other competitors" means representing themselves, and now they pretend they are surprised.

This is even more insulting for the other competitors than for LR.

 

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50 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

"Emirates Team New Zealand was therefore very surprised to learn that the current stance of the Challenger of Record in relation to wind limits does not reflect the collective position of all Challengers. The Defender's position on the Wind Limits is what is needed to ensure a quality event in Auckland for the benefit of the New Zealand public, international visitors and the world audience."

So ETNZ signed a protocol with no right whatsoever to the other challengers, never included words like "vote" or even "consulting". They know from the beginning that "representing the other competitors" means representing themselves, and now they pretend they are surprised.

This is even more insulting for the other competitors than for LR.

C'mon T-C.  Don't lump this onto ETNZ,  it takes two parties to agree to a Protocol. You've got this really twisted.

Besides, thus far only the notorious SD endorses your dubious position.  That makes it an automatic fail.

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^^^ the troll cat is back. There is only one chall, all the others signed up to the deal. 

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43 minutes ago, barfy said:

^^^ the troll rat is back. There is only one chall, all the others signed up to the deal. 

FIFY.

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1 hour ago, barfy said:

^^^ the troll cat is back. There is only one chall, all the others signed up to the deal. 

Hep, barfidiot, who wrote that ? "does not reflect the collective position of all Challengers." 

You troll yourself, idiot. :lol:

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1 minute ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Hep, barfidiot, who wrote that ? "does not reflect the collective position of all Challengers." 

You troll yourself, idiot. :lol:

The only one chal that counts is the COR. Obviously your poor comprehension of even a simple layered statement caused you to miss that pepe. It's ok. 

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Just now, barfy said:

The only one chal that counts is the COR. Obviously your poor comprehension of even a simple layered statement caused you to miss that pepe. It's ok. 

Feel free to contradict your own team understanding of words and protocol interpretation. Idiot.

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1 hour ago, KiwiJoker said:

C'mon T-C.  Don't lump this onto ETNZ,  it takes two parties to agree to a Protocol. You've got this really twisted.

Besides, thus far only the notorious SD endorses your dubious position.  That makes it an automatic fail.

Absolutely, it takes two to tango, why blaming the italians ? Why also say that the kiwis asked for it a long time ago when we all know the the protocol had chosen december to unveil it?

This wind limit should have been included in the protocol and, even if you don't tell it, I am sure you agree with me.

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On 1/10/2020 at 12:45 AM, Horn Rock said:

Oh really, and you know this how?

Because NZ said it themselves, they just set the same upper limits as Bermuda:

"Earlier in the week we reached agreement on all the Match Conditions except for wind limits," Emirates Team New Zealand rules adviser, Russell Green told Sail-World on December 23, 2019. "We proposed the same upper limit as Bermuda - 24kts. The Challenger wanted a lower limit and wanted to be able to sail the Challenger Series in winds under 20kts, which we think is unrealistic for Auckland conditions."

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58 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Feel free to contradict your own team understanding of words and protocol interpretation. Idiot.

Just for you lovely slow thinker: the wind limits were supposed to be decided between Def and Cor, with input from other teams. How has that not been reflected in statements from all the teams?

Did you loose a few brain cells over the holidays pepe?

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10 hours ago, barfy said:

Just for you lovely slow thinker: the wind limits were supposed to be decided between Def and Cor, with input from other teams. How has that not been reflected in statements from all the teams?

Did you loose a few brain cells over the holidays pepe?

"Wind limits" does not even appear in the protocol, and contrarily the what I read in the kiwi press the CoR has no need to find input from the other teams. Utter bullshit.

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"The challenging club may by mutual consent..."

But if the challenger turns out to be another team than LR, where is the mutual consent of the new challenger ? When we read RG he speaks of LR not consulting other competitors, but "consulting" simply does not exist in the protocol.

Instead we have that: "Each Competitor, either within four weeks after agreement has been reached by the COR and RNZYS, or within four weeks after the date the Arbitration Panel has determined any unresolved issues, whichever is the later, shall sign the Race Conditions and acknowledge that those conditions shall govern the races in the Challenger Selection Series and the Match."

Which means that, contrarily to other cups with a challenger forum, we have no consultation in AC36, no input, just a ratification at posteriori. More strange, if the arbitration is given end of March, the other competitors have a month which means after the first races began (april 28) to ratify the decision.

I would like to know how the NYYC considers that to be"mutual consent".

 

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^
Where is that rock of complete ignorance I can crawl under too?
Where have you been at AC33 when we discussed MC, the DoG, non-MC, several protocols ad nauseam? The MC stuff and challenger succession has been discussed already for a hundred times.
Lordy, this is tedious...

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1 hour ago, Tornado-Cat said:

"The challenging club may by mutual consent..."

But if the challenger turns out to be another team than LR, where is the mutual consent of the new challenger ? When we read RG he speaks of LR not consulting other competitors, but "consulting" simply does not exist in the protocol.

Instead we have that: "Each Competitor, either within four weeks after agreement has been reached by the COR and RNZYS, or within four weeks after the date the Arbitration Panel has determined any unresolved issues, whichever is the later, shall sign the Race Conditions and acknowledge that those conditions shall govern the races in the Challenger Selection Series and the Match."

Which means that, contrarily to other cups with a challenger forum, we have no consultation in AC36, no input, just a ratification at posteriori. More strange, if the arbitration is given end of March, the other competitors have a month which means after the first races began (april 28) to ratify the decision.

I would like to know how the NYYC considers that to be"mutual consent".

 

Oh FFS. The Deed of Gift states mutual consent between Challenger and Defender only.

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16 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

 

So ETNZ signed a protocol

 

No, ETNZ and LR wrote the protocol.

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13 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

 

This wind limit should have been included in the protocol 

many very expensive lawyers disagreed.  why do you think that is?

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9 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

many very expensive lawyers disagreed.  why do you think that is?

I was not making a legal point here, but as you take it that way why Oracle expensive lawyers included it ?

11 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

No, ETNZ and LR wrote the protocol.

Wrote and signed.

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14 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

why Oracle expensive lawyers included it ?

 

I'm not answering your questions, because I'm not the one claiming that "This wind limit should have been included in the protocol".

 

 

 

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TC have you given your login details to a4e? These posts are written much more poorly than your usual ones... or maybe pinot has just kicked in?

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3 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

many very expensive lawyers disagreed.  why do you think that is?

Well, the longer it goes on, the better it works for ETNZ. One thing the challengers don't have a lot of is design & build time. ETNZ has more of both. ETNZ only need to design for a weather window about 2 weeks long at best being the match. The challengers have a weather window to design for best measured in months, not weeks.

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On 12/23/2019 at 6:54 AM, Tornado-Cat said:

The supposedly tough AC75 necessary for Auckland will sail in smaller conditions than the AC50 and F50.

You have absolutely no idea...

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17 minutes ago, NZL3481 said:

ETNZ only need to design for a weather window about 2 weeks long at best being the match. The challengers have a weather window to design for best measured in months, not weeks.

You couldn’t have made LR’s case for wanting the weather window narrower for all parties better

 

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Just now, Xlot said:

You couldn’t have made LR’s case for wanting 

the weather window narrower for all parties better

A 20 knot upper wind limit in an Auckland summer?

It could take a month to get the AC completed with all the 'can't go sailing' days.

The Italians just need to HTFU...

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On 12/23/2019 at 8:54 AM, Tornado-Cat said:

The supposedly tough AC75 necessary for Auckland will sail in smaller conditions than the AC50 and F50.

And be more exciting than those beach cats ever were.

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4 hours ago, NZL3481 said:

Well, the longer it goes on, the better it works for ETNZ. One thing the challengers don't have a lot of is design & build time. ETNZ has more of both. ETNZ only need to design for a weather window about 2 weeks long at best being the match. The challengers have a weather window to design for best measured in months, not weeks.

Bingo.

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10 minutes ago, smackdaddy said:

Bingo.      "ETNZ only need to design for a weather window about 2 weeks long "

who they gonna call !!

God?, Allah?, Buddha?,  Gaia?, smackdaddy??

or they might just decide to build a good all round boat instead?.......     Thanks for the advice but no thanks

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the defender has only ever needed to design for one set of races

where is the news here

 

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7 hours ago, NZL3481 said:

ETNZ only need to design for a weather window about 2 weeks long at best being the match.

 

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On 1/12/2020 at 5:06 PM, Tornado-Cat said:

Feel free to contradict your own team understanding of words and protocol interpretation. Idiot.

Well, I've been busy. Idiot. But I think you have your rebuttal. 

That means everyone else, many not kiwis, wondering WTF are you drinking pepe.

 

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5 hours ago, smackdaddy said:

Bingo.

You say that like its never happened in the past. There is only two teams that matter in terms of the DoG and thats the Defender and Challenger.

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18 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

More strange, if the arbitration is given end of March, the other competitors have a month which means after the first races began (april 28) to ratify the decision.

The race conditions were to be decided by 20 Dec 2019. As agreement wasn't reached, the arbitration panel must rule within 3 months, so before 20 Mar 2020. All competitors (including RNZYS) must then agree to the conditions within 4 weeks, so 17 Apr 2020.

The original protocol was finalised in September 2017, so very early days. Match conditions likely weren't included because not enough was known about the boats for there to be a reasonable chance of reaching agreement. RNZYS needed to get the protocol finalised and start the challenger application process, so agreements on many details were deferred to later dates.

On 1/12/2020 at 2:02 PM, barfy said:

The only one chal that counts is the COR.

In regard to determining match conditions, yes.

On 1/12/2020 at 3:07 PM, barfy said:

…the wind limits were supposed to be decided between Def and Cor, with input from other teams.

How do you reconcile those two statements? You state LR is the only challenger that matters and there is nothing in the protocol that says LR must or even should consult with other challengers. So where do you get the idea that it is supposed consider input from other challengers?

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So the first race in Cagliari is April 23 rd and the later day for establishing wind limits apr 17, which, if the case, would leave 6 days, unless they settle before.

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5 hours ago, RobG said:

How do you reconcile those two statements? You state LR is the only challenger that matters and there is nothing in the protocol that says LR must or even should consult with other challengers. So where do you get the idea that it is supposed consider input from other challengers?

These guys clearly don't feel the need to reconcile anything. That's the problem. They just say stuff that sounds good to them in whatever moment - not worrying about the complete lack of facts, logic, or integrity in their statements. I'm glad it's not just me calling them out on it.

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1 hour ago, smackdaddy said:

These guys clearly don't feel the need to reconcile anything. That's the problem. They just say stuff that sounds good to them in whatever moment - not worrying about the complete lack of facts, logic, or integrity in their statements. I'm glad it's not just me calling them out on it.

"They just say stuff that sounds good to them in whatever moment - not worrying about the complete lack of facts, logic, or integrity in their statements"

The Irony.

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6 hours ago, smackdaddy said:

These guys clearly don't feel the need to reconcile anything. That's the problem. They just say stuff that sounds good to them in whatever moment - not worrying about the complete lack of facts, logic, or integrity in their statements. I'm glad it's not just me calling them out on it.

Fixed that for you.

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Remotely related but AC75 helms will have to keep the hull under the rig as here. Only sailors will appreciate.

 

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They are here!

6.5 to 23 knots for the Cup

6.5 to 21 for Round Robin and Repecharge

6.5 to 23 for Prada Cup Final

 

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2 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

They are here!

6.5 to 23 knots for the Cup

6.5 to 21 for Round Robin and Repecharge

6.5 to 23 for Prada Cup Final

 

13th February 2019 

MATCH CONDITIONS CONFIRMED FOR THE AMERICA’S CUP MATCH AND DATES ANNOUNCED FOR PRADA CUP

 

Following a successful mediation, the America’s Cup Defender and Challenger of Record have come to an agreement on the Match Conditions for the 36th America’s Cup presented by Prada.

The two sides came to a consensus after engaging in an official mediation process run by the America’s Cup Arbitration panel chairman David Tillett (AUS). 

Photo credit: Emirates Team New Zealand

As part of the agreement, the wind range for racing in the America’s Cup Match will be 6.5 to 23 knots.

The agreed racing schedule for the America’s Cup Match has two races per day planned for March 6,7,10, 12, 13, 14 and 15. Additional reserve days have been scheduled but the intention is to complete the event on the weekend of March 13/14, weather permitting. Racing is planned from 4pm onwards each race day. The winner of the America’s Cup Match will be the first team to score seven points.

The parties also agreed on certain conditions in respect of the Prada Cup due to be issued by June  30 2020. The racing will consist of four Round Robin sessions over January 15, 16, 17, 22, 23, and 24, followed by a repêchage round over January 29, 30, 31, and February 2, with the first-to-seven-points Prada Cup Final taking place over February 13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22.

The following wind range for racing has been agreed:

Round Robins and Repêchage:           6.5 to 21 knots
Prada Cup Final:                                  6.5 to 23 knots

In addition the parties also confirmed Course Location Guidelines for the Race Director when selecting the Auckland racecourse locations for all the Auckland events including the Match for the 36th America’s Cup presented by Prada.
To view the Settlement Memorandum click here.

The first competitive action of the 36th America’s Cup presented by Prada will be in Cagliari, Sardinia from April 23 – 26 at the first of three ACWS regattas taking place during 2020. Further ACWS events will be held in Portsmouth, England on June 4 – 7, and in Auckland, New Zealand in December 17 – 20.

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@Indio just posted the article over in ETNZ while I was trying to cut and paste, thanks for posting here too!

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1 hour ago, JonRowe said:

Anyone else think it's weird the limits will be adjusted by tide again like San Fran?

Nobody who has ever been on a boat around the harbour. 

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16 minutes ago, kenergy said:

Nobody who has ever been on a boat around the harbour. 

Care to enlighten us non-locals? How bad is the tide in Auckland? I'm just imagining a 1-2knot lower limit due to being the wrong wind direction over the tide and that having next to no effect on sea state.

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1 hour ago, JonRowe said:

Care to enlighten us non-locals? How bad is the tide in Auckland? I'm just imagining a 1-2knot lower limit due to being the wrong wind direction over the tide and that having next to no effect on sea state.

Maybe 1.5 kt by North head on the main track C. Can generate some rips, not normally in the center of the channel but probably still on the track.

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1 hour ago, JonRowe said:

Care to enlighten us non-locals? How bad is the tide in Auckland? I'm just imagining a 1-2knot lower limit due to being the wrong wind direction over the tide and that having next to no effect on sea

I've been quite apprehensive in a 200 pax 24m cat under the harbour bridge in 40kt as she buries the nose deep in 2m breaking faces. Bit more current there, but the inner harbour can always surprise you with its violence.

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Beaufort 3 to 5 for indication.
Normal sailing condition, I agree.

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So have they nominated the Regatta Director yet? One assumes so, and that it's a male - based on all the "he will this", "he will that" used in the Settlement Memorandum!?

Poor form otherwise......:(

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9 hours ago, JonRowe said:

Anyone else think it's weird the limits will be adjusted by tide again like San Fran?

Wind against tide can be brutal. A very, very nasty short chop in several Waitemata channels. Makes perfect sense to me.

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1 hour ago, Sailbydate said:

Wind against tide can be brutal. A very, very nasty short chop in several Waitemata channels. Makes perfect sense to me.

Here’s Course C with a bit on than the agreed upper limit.

Sea state shouldn’t trouble the 75’s.

 

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1 hour ago, Priscilla said:

Here’s Course C with a bit on than the agreed upper limit.

Sea state shouldn’t trouble the 75’s.

 

Classic, played it during the Volvo when people were pissing on Witty.

 

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2 hours ago, Priscilla said:

Found some footage of Barf 4 TC and Smack ripping it up on the Waitemata

That looks more like the last, and final, southern ocean passage I did from Auckland to Tubuai. Without the big waves.

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18 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Here is the signed settlement memorandum

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HILlSWBkfZxqq8LvDWToS8Fe8dgKmdN4/view

I think this all is silent on ACWS conditions? Presumably 21 knots or less but wonder if they will have 6.5 also.

"ACWS conditions" are covered by "Match Conditions" and are in Appendix 2 (6.5 to 23 kn), which is the same as the final of the Prada Cup. Round robins will have lower limits of 6.5 to 21 kn.

And yes, tide is considered when determining wind speed (TWS relative to the water).

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15 minutes ago, RobG said:

"ACWS conditions" are covered by "Match Conditions" and are in Appendix 2 (6.5 to 23 kn), which is the same as the final of the Prada Cup. Round robins will have lower limits of 6.5 to 21 kn.

And yes, tide is considered when determining wind speed (TWS relative to the water).

Thanks. So they will race B1s in potentially heavier air than B2 in the round robins?

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4 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Thanks. So they will race B1s in potentially heavier air than B2 in the round robins?

I am guessing they are less worried about breaking B1 versus B2, trying to make sure all teams come through unscathed to the finals would seem to be the only scenario where different wind limits actually makes sense, of course if someone is trying to engineer some kind of advantage it doesn't actually have to make any sense.

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1 hour ago, Boybland said:

I am guessing they are less worried about breaking B1 versus B2, trying to make sure all teams come through unscathed to the finals would seem to be the only scenario where different wind limits actually makes sense, of course if someone is trying to engineer some kind of advantage it doesn't actually have to make any sense.

They are also less worried about the outcomes of losing too...

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14 hours ago, Sailbydate said:

Wind against tide can be brutal. A very, very nasty short chop in several Waitemata channels. Makes perfect sense to me.

Wind against tide can be brutal it is true. e.g. 10kts+ in the Alderney race. 1.5kts in the harbour less so.

And yes I know that is facile because these things aren't offshore boats but having learned to sail as a kid where 4kts+ was the norm, I did laugh at the brutal 1.5kts.

But more importantly what wave height will start to cause these things problems? When the wave height (from bottom to top) is more than 50% of the vertical distance from foils to hull? Which of the foil designs they have chosen could be very important for determining that given the box rule

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1 hour ago, enigmatically2 said:

Wind against tide can be brutal it is true. e.g. 10kts+ in the Alderney race. 1.5kts in the harbour less so.

And yes I know that is facile because these things aren't offshore boats but having learned to sail as a kid where 4kts+ was the norm, I did laugh at the brutal 1.5kts.

But more importantly what wave height will start to cause these things problems? When the wave height (from bottom to top) is more than 50% of the vertical distance from foils to hull? Which of the foil designs they have chosen could be very important for determining that given the box rule

Maximum tidal velocity in the outer channels (Motukorea and Motuihi particularly) is more like 3 knots. But that's not the issue. The issue in these channels is the length of the prevailing wind's reach, blowing down the upper, inner and outer harbour.

It's not very often rough, but it certainly can be.

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4 hours ago, enigmatically2 said:

Wind against tide can be brutal it is true. e.g. 10kts+ in the Alderney race. 1.5kts in the harbour less so.

And yes I know that is facile because these things aren't offshore boats but having learned to sail as a kid where 4kts+ was the norm, I did laugh at the brutal 1.5kts.

But more importantly what wave height will start to cause these things problems? When the wave height (from bottom to top) is more than 50% of the vertical distance from foils to hull? Which of the foil designs they have chosen could be very important for determining that given the box rule

It's an interesting problem..higher ride height may require a deeper arm angle as to not ventilate, which would give less windward lift and poor angles.

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3 hours ago, barfy said:

It's an interesting problem..higher ride height may require a deeper arm angle as to not ventilate, which would give less windward lift and poor angles.

Or more windward heel?

 

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On 2/13/2020 at 12:19 AM, NeedAClew said:

They are here!

6.5 to 23 knots for the Cup

6.5 to 21 for Round Robin and Repecharge

6.5 to 23 for Prada Cup Final

 

Shady.

WetHog  :ph34r:

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22 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

How so?

There are different wind limits because?

WetHog  :ph34r:

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It's odd for sure, but then again the cup has a long history with funny little rules and every one bring totally ok with them. Remember how the time limit in 2013 was universally well regarded?

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5 hours ago, WetHog said:

There are different wind limits because?

WetHog  :ph34r:

Because summer conditions don't really kick in properly until February/ March. NZ and Auckland still see's unpredictable conditions through December/ January. Its almost still Spring here in NZ until mid to late February. 

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56 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Because summer conditions don't really kick in properly until February/ March. NZ and Auckland still see's unpredictable conditions through December/ January. Its almost still Spring here in NZ until mid to late February. 

Its mid February now, and we have had 40 days without rain, it's been fucking hot, and fucking settled.

It sure as shit ain't spring. 

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2 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Because summer conditions don't really kick in properly until February/ March

Go ask the cows up north if they agree with your meteorological wisdom.

 

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56 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

Go ask the cows up north if they agree with your meteorological wisdom.

 

It's like groundhog day. And every day the last day of the 7 day forecast shows rain.

Mooooo rain please.

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On 2/14/2020 at 9:01 AM, Priscilla said:

Found some footage of Barf 4 TC and Smack ripping it up on the Waitemata.

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Hey Priss gal,

here's a pic of my yacht, an alpa 1 tonner, in Tubuai after a 24 day passage from Auckland.

What you got big girl?

 

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9 minutes ago, barfy said:

Hey Priss gal,

here's a pic of my yacht, an alpa 1 tonner, in Tubuai after a 24 day passage from Auckland.

What you got big girl?

 

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Cool ride.

Parted with this recently after nearly 20 years and I now nod acceptingly when my wife refers to me as that silly man.

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13 hours ago, Xlot said:

Or more windward heel?

So the windward bilge makes more frequent contact with waves instead of the bustle/keel/whatever. Lots of variables…

Might work for INEOS and AM. ETNZ and LR will likely stay flatter but lower.

How lumpy can 23kn (less opposing tide) get? The RO has ultimate say on rough conditions anyway, regardless of wind.

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30 minutes ago, barfy said:

Hey Priss gal,

here's a pic of my yacht, an alpa 1 tonner, in Tubuai after a 24 day passage from Auckland.

What you got big girl?

 

tubuia.jpg

Not familiar with Alpa One Ton but many moons ago nearly ended up with Kishmul.

Brin Wilson build triple skin no glass with trim tab.

Had so much tumblehome she used to produce a mid length waterline ripple.

Now in Australia I believe.

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1 hour ago, Priscilla said:

Edit: nice... Gloria Maris had a more round tumblehome. I sold her last year after 25 years living on board..20k bc coastal, 30k offshore. Alpa of Italy built one amazing strong boat with only one wake. She's outta HMB happily according to the new owner.

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2 hours ago, barfy said:

Hey Priss gal,

here's a pic of my yacht, an alpa 1 tonner, in Tubuai after a 24 day passage from Auckland.

What you got big girl?

 

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It looks like a Ferrari designed 3/4 or full keel from the mid 1970's Barf. Solid glass hull? Mast like a lamp post, narrow stern. Was the keel also the fresh water store?

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3 hours ago, Priscilla said:

Go ask the cows up north if they agree with your meteorological wisdom.

 

Or the poor schmucks down south being evacuated because they have to row dinghies down the main street.

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22 minutes ago, Salty Seacock said:

It looks like a Ferrari designed 3/4 or full keel from the mid 1970's Barf. Solid glass hull? Mast like a lamp post, narrow stern. Was the keel also the fresh water store?

Only thing missing was the shiny suits.

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33 minutes ago, barfy said:

Edit: nice... Gloria Maris had a more round tumblehome. I sold her last year after 25 years living on board..20k bc coastal, 30k offshore. Alpa of Italy built one amazing strong boat with only one wake. She's outta HMB happily according to the new owner.

Something like this?

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4 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

Something like this?

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Fuck me.same cookie fenders. But no aft winches. That's me gal. Where did you find?

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6 hours ago, barfy said:

Hey Priss gal,

here's a pic of my yacht, an alpa 1 tonner, in Tubuai after a 24 day passage from Auckland.

What you got big girl?

tubuia.jpg

Didn't know Tabuai had a Navy, let alone submarines.....impressed

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5 hours ago, barfy said:

Edit: nice... Gloria Maris had a more round tumblehome. I sold her last year after 25 years living on board..20k bc coastal, 30k offshore. Alpa of Italy built one amazing strong boat with only one wake. She's outta HMB happily according to the new owner.

OMG - how did an ALPA end up Down Under? S&S design late sixties IIRC, they were called “plasticoni” since they were the first fiberglass boats of that size to be made in Italy ...

 

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3 minutes ago, Xlot said:

OMG - how did an ALPA end up Down Under? S&S design IIRC, they were called “plasticoni” since they were the first fiberglass boats of that size to be made in Italy …

 

Looks  S&S. Pretty much a cross between the original Swan 36 (RORC rule) and 1st generation Swan 40 (IOR).

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