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So, over the last year I have seen a new trend emerge, teams using GoFundMe, Facebook, Pateron or other social media outlets to ask for people to donate to cover expenses for big regattas. These are not community sailing groups or youth teams.  These are privately funded teams owned by regular folks that have cars, houses and their own racing sailboat.  It never occurred to me to ask others for money to fund my hobby to supplement the disposable income that I spend on racing.  

On the one hand, I think, no big deal, if you don't like it don't donate.  But, on the other hand, I wonder if it is appropriate and actually clouds the landscape for actual charitable teams that need assistance.

So, what do you all think, is soliciting for regatta expenses for everyday privately funded campaigns cool or not cool? 

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If someone wants to donate money to me and my crew to rip beers and drink rum until we fall over send a PM. Anything helps. God Bless

 

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39 minutes ago, Bash24 said:

It never occurred to me to ask others for money to fund my hobby to supplement the disposable income that I spend on racing.  

On the one hand, I think, no big deal, if you don't like it don't donate.  But, on the other hand, I wonder if it is appropriate and actually clouds the landscape for actual charitable teams that need assistance.

 

“Olympic Campaigns” hit some of those notes too but what the hell - don’t give.

Too much $$ to campaign nowadays.   I’d be on Patreon and IG from Day 1.   Makes sense.   Find like-minded crew, supporters et al.   

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I honestly find some of the pandering to be a bit much across all facets of life. However, we all know the amount of expendable income in this world for some is huge. Not to be political by any means, but as an easy example look at how many people donate money to political campaigns just because they don't like the other party. These people have no idea where the money will actually be spent, but they still do so anyway. I'd rather give to someone I know where the money is going, rather than flushing it down a political toilet, but that is just my thoughts. Life is about choices, and if someone wants to donate to anything by all means go ahead. If someone wants to ask for help, by all means go ahead. If they want to work together, again go ahead. No one has to donate anything, no one has to ask. Choose your own path.

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It's a bit more graceful for the "Senior Members" to organize a syndicate and perhaps sponsor the up and coming juniors and younger sailors in their club, than for the latter to try to monetize their hobby or solicit support beyond their means. While organizing fund raising is probably good life experience, hosting a "boat wash" or other value for value would go a lot farther than simple begging. 

"If you have to ask, you can't afford it" remains valid. 

That's as tacky as charging people to race with you, vs accepting their donations of beer, food and labor on the maintenance end. 

 

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Anybody would have to be crazy or fools to donate to me!  

OTOH, if someone has a little extra cash for Project Carrion, PM me and we can work out the details!!!

- Stumbling

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lame. fuck em.

I got my own boats to worry about.

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Fer Christ' sake: if some bleeding heart moneybag is dumb nuff to click on the Send button to some smuck, then by all means!  Donate away!  Can't do it yourself?  Live vicariously through some pathetic blog post!  Feel the (virtual) wind in your hair!  Smell the (virtual) salt in the sea!  Donate to me!

 

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While I don't agree with the premise of crowdsourcing the costs of your regatta, on the basis that if you can't afford the sport you shouldn't be in it, this trend is yet another symptom of the exploding costs to participate in the sport of sailing in a competitive way. The argument about professional sailors mixing with corinthians has always been that it's a priviledge to cross tacks with a guy like Gavin Brady and sometimes beat him. The reality is increasingly different than that. If you go back into the history of Key West Race Week, only a single amateur team was named Boat of the Week during the last 15 years of the regatta. If professional teams are going to continue to winnow down the times and chances that an amateur team gets to beat them, but it's still expensive to participate in those regattas and lose, then the only way to keep those Corinthians showing up is to make it less painful to lose.

So rather than crowdsourcing, look at the teams choosing to buy their way to the top of leaderboards at regattas. If you want to pay Terry Hutchinson a $2,500 daily rate to call tactics on your Farr 40 at the Farr 40 Worlds, then $1,250 of that needs to go back through the Farr 40 class organizers to defray the costs of entry, dockage, travel, lodging, and food for Corinthian teams. If you want to have a crew of 3 pros on your 4 person J/70, then you''ll be putting part of that payroll to defraying the costs of trucking Corinthian boats to the event. If a TP52 spends $10,000+/day on their professional crew at Block Island Race week, then half of that should go into a fund that pays for a J/29 full of college kids keeping their boat on a mooring in the salt pond. 

Professional sailors are a part of the sport these days, and sometimes they're necessary. I don't reasonably think you can do a Windward/Leeward race on a TP52 and not break many expensive things without a professional crew. But if you can afford the boat and you can afford to buy your way up to winning trophies then it should be socially acceptable that those teams you're buying your way in front of should not also be out a huge chunk of change just to show up and have the privilege of being beaten by you. 

 

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4 minutes ago, jackolantern said:

But if you can afford the boat and you can afford to buy your way up to winning trophies then it should be socially acceptable that those teams you're buying your way in front of should not also be out a huge chunk of change just to show up and have the privilege of being beaten by you. 

Socially acceptable? perhaps but the socialism inherent in the share the wealth is anathema. You might as well require the fortunate boats to share their tuning, and calibrations

 

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3 hours ago, LionessRacing said:

"If you have to ask, you can't afford it" remains valid. 

This.

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5 minutes ago, jackolantern said:

You guys can all bitch about socialism when the participation trends in the sport start turning around.

Just stop handing out differentiated awards then, and simply use participation tokens, if you think that socialism is a positive force. 

 

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6 minutes ago, LionessRacing said:

Just stop handing out differentiated awards then, and simply use participation tokens, if you think that socialism is a positive force. 

The problem with participation tokens is that I can't get enough time in the schedule of our Glorious Leader Nicolas Maduro in order to hand them out to everyone. 

F-Off

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1 hour ago, jackolantern said:

The problem with participation tokens is that I can't get enough time in the schedule of our Glorious Leader Nicolas Maduro in order to hand them out to everyone. 

 

The perpetual problem with insufficiently accessible and glorious leaders, they inevitably disappoint. Sadly all to few learn the lesson before experiencing it. 

 

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This place is the closest I get to social media,  for exactly this out of reason.

That and people who spend half a race taking photos of themselves being there.  If that's what social media is about I don't need to see it.

But to answer the question,  not cool,  but if someone else gets pleasure from giving the money,  who are we to stop them.

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I got 4K from the SA Community when I did the Miami OCR in O7. I tried not to beg. It was my first real International racing Experience and a real eye opener.
I have been eternally grateful for the donations.
What I learned was, International Disabled Sailing was on it way out as it was less about being disabled but more about the "Least Disabled". and the IPC saw that too and kicked Sailing out of the Para Games.

 

If the Cause is Just, a donation is warranted. I see very few just causes these days

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I'm not asking every tom, dick and harry to give me money!!!  It's simply a vessel for people I actually know and have personal relations with to be able to find out what I'm doing and how they can feel like they're part of it.  If you're not someone I sent it to, then you went looking for it.  For that I say if you don't like it... GFYS!  To family and friends that find it cool and easy...luv you much for the help.  Nuff said!

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9 hours ago, Bash24 said:

So, over the last year I have seen a new trend emerge, teams using GoFundMe, Facebook, Pateron or other social media outlets to ask for people to donate to cover expenses for big regattas. These are not community sailing groups or youth teams.  These are privately funded teams owned by regular folks that have cars, houses and their own racing sailboat.

 

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There are givers and takers in life. If there is Poverty, Hunger, Education Involved, I give. If a young promising sailor has a need, I give. If a washed up hack looking for a free ride to buy a new kite or pay a yard bill....they went to a different school then I did. If the over 30 year old Hacks really want to make a quick buck to spend on anything they want....(since working hard is obviously off the table) ...NYC is decaying quickly, The Port Authority Bus Terminal is a great place to start and has a new look. Bring a Tin Cup and an olive drab duffel bag....you might want to also wear a face mask.  My mates declare you a LOSER ! 

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3 hours ago, Zerodegrees said:

I'm not asking every tom, dick and harry to give me money!!!  It's simply a vessel for people I actually know and have personal relations with to be able to find out what I'm doing and how they can feel like they're part of it.  If you're not someone I sent it to, then you went looking for it.  For that I say if you don't like it... GFYS!  To family and friends that find it cool and easy...luv you much for the help.  Nuff said!

and your so vain, you probably think this thread is about you.

 

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4 hours ago, Zerodegrees said:

I'm not asking every tom, dick and harry to give me money!!!  It's simply a vessel for people I actually know and have personal relations with to be able to find out what I'm doing and how they can feel like they're part of it.  If you're not someone I sent it to, then you went looking for it.  For that I say if you don't like it... GFYS!  To family and friends that find it cool and easy...luv you much for the help.  Nuff said!

I googled ‘Narcissistic fucktard’ and your photo came up. BTW, What do I owe you for the entertainment your post has provided? 

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14 hours ago, Bash24 said:

So, over the last year I have seen a new trend emerge, teams using GoFundMe, Facebook, Pateron or other social media outlets to ask for people to donate to cover expenses for big regattas. These are not community sailing groups or youth teams.  These are privately funded teams owned by regular folks that have cars, houses and their own racing sailboat.  It never occurred to me to ask others for money to fund my hobby to supplement the disposable income that I spend on racing.  

On the one hand, I think, no big deal, if you don't like it don't donate.  But, on the other hand, I wonder if it is appropriate and actually clouds the landscape for actual charitable teams that need assistance.

So, what do you all think, is soliciting for regatta expenses for everyday privately funded campaigns cool or not cool? 

If it's an individual or team trying to get to an event, say to build or train for an Olympic campaign, any Corinthian activity or junior activity, then go for it and raise money. If it's a recreational J sailors trying to get to Key West not so much.

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It seems the theme here is good old, "If you can't afford it...", and how many threads have been started about how participation in the sport is declining? This sport has always been about the money. There is no such thing as a PHRF cheater, a PHRF cheater is just a stock boat that someone has spent a lot of money on. Same concept also applies across most one design classes. So the kids now days have figured out a way to game the system and get a well prepped boat out to the starting line and beat the old farts up while they sit on their tightly guarded baby boomer riches! I say let'm...

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If you don't ask, you don't get?  Many people in the world are living good lives due to their online presence, and some even present good roll models to society, it's really not my place to judge them.  If you don't want to contribute, don't.

I can think of many oldies that put opportunity my way, back in the day, happy to pay it forward in any way I can, crowd funding seems like a modern way to achieve this, and each request can stand on it's merits.

 

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Not Cool.

There is an unwritten at some of the clubs that I have raced at.. Don't ask for help to attend an event unless you had to qualify for the event. 

Legit Example: You place in the top 10 (out of 100) at nationals and now want to attend worlds but can't afford it.

 

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19 hours ago, Bash24 said:

So, over the last year I have seen a new trend emerge, teams using GoFundMe, Facebook, Pateron or other social media outlets to ask for people to donate to cover expenses for big regattas. These are not community sailing groups or youth teams.  These are privately funded teams owned by regular folks that have cars, houses and their own racing sailboat.  It never occurred to me to ask others for money to fund my hobby to supplement the disposable income that I spend on racing.  

On the one hand, I think, no big deal, if you don't like it don't donate.  But, on the other hand, I wonder if it is appropriate and actually clouds the landscape for actual charitable teams that need assistance.

So, what do you all think, is soliciting for regatta expenses for everyday privately funded campaigns cool or not cool? 

I tend to agree.  Once we are big kids with decent jobs and our own boats it's up to us to decide what to do with our income and which regattas we want to set as goal events.  Pay bills or go sailing.  If we don't have cash there's always the credit card...  Save the donations for those who truly need it.  

I'd love to hear the story of the crew sailing the J24 "Grant Boat".  I met Matt, (skipper) at CRW this year.  He's a super cool guy, but didn't get the story behind the boat other than they earned the ability to use it.  

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6 hours ago, fufkin said:

If it's an individual or team trying to get to an event, say to build or train for an Olympic campaign, any Corinthian activity or junior activity, then go for it and raise money. If it's a recreational J sailors trying to get to Key West not so much.

Who is to say that those are any different? Recreation J sailors have a dream just as much as an Olympic sailor. 

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21 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

I need a new airplane, can I get in on this?

Only if you are a televangelist!  A televangelist wants his followers to pay for a $54 million private jet. It’s his fourth plane.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/05/29/a-televangelist-wants-his-followers-to-pay-for-a-54-million-private-jet-its-his-fourth-plane/

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If idiots want to give their money away it's fine with me. Maybe the blame should be placed on the morons who give away their money to these scum suckers. If someone showered me with cash I wouldn't give it back. 

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I don't have a problem with commercial sponsorship.   I know a boat that raced to Hawaii already a few years ago that is going again next summer and set up a GoFundMe giving 10% of the money raised to a Yacht Club program.    The fund raising isn't for anything like for a non-profit or cause....   just help us pay for our fun kind of begging.  Usually when someone is raising money for something like this they take 30% of the money raised so at least a large part of the money goes to a good cause.....  but keeping 90% for yourself, not cool.

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Are you providing anything of value to the people who are contributing?   I'll offer an example of a time that this worked- Way back when, a guy on a Moto Guzzi went to Bonneville and took an LSR record that had forever belonged to a Harley Sportster.  Several of us who congregated in a forum very similar to this one decided that we didn't want to let that stand.  SO - we decided to start a fundraiser - selling paraphernalia, sponsorships, and yeah, accepting donations to get enough $$ scraped together to build a competitive machine and go get the record back.   Over the course of about 10 months, we raised the money, built the bike, and went to the salt.  We shared our build experiments and testing results w/our supporters, to include some new configuration tricks we'd found that worked, and some common wisdom that was debunked.   It took a few trips, but we got the records we were after.   We publicly accounted for every $$ raised ( and most was from the sale of themed paraphernalia, cups, hats, shirts, posters, etc) - and created a real community of interest.   At the conclusion of the campaign - we had some $$ left over in the account, and the consensus was to donate that to the "save the salt" foundation.  

I still converse regularly with several folks I met back then (1998/1999) - and it was a time of belonging to something that was bigger than any particular individual.   

So - a little different than the typical current-day "go fund me" model - but, in that case crowdfunding worked for us.   

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Image result for gofundme logo

Please help me realize my dream. All my life I have wanted to sail in a race and now I am asking you to help me fund a boat and do a regatta. The regatta I have chosen is held each year on an island off Italy at a little town called Porto Cervo. The winner gets a watch.  

Below is the boat I am hoping to buy and have a little left over for living expenses. 

Image result for wally yachts

As you can see I have chosen this boat because it only needs one person to sail it. 

What ever you can spare will be gratefully received. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

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To the Salt Flat Guy....you worked very hard to receive the donations. Key word...worked...I have a very fast Plane. But I want a Jet...life sucks...can someone please send me a few million so I can play with it for a year? I promise I will donate 1% to the Not Cool Crowd. 

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As someone who ran a shoestring budget campaign for 37 years, whatever gets people out on the water is fine with me.  I say cool if you can make it work.  

When times were really tough I did solicit sponsorship from a local company.  I did a presentation about our racing success and both the corinthian spirit and mixed-gender crew.  It worked, and got us a spinnaker. It didn't hurt that one of our crew was a valued employee there.

That spinnaker is still in use (with the company logo on it) 10 years later. Pretty good advertising for the sponsor, especially since we won the regional championship last year.

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3 hours ago, Hole In The Kite said:

As someone who ran a shoestring budget campaign for 37 years, whatever gets people out on the water is fine with me.  I say cool if you can make it work.  

So I will put you down for 250k? 

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I think the whole thing is kind of a moot point. I mean - how much money do you ever see any of those funds take in? A few hundred? Maybe hit a grand? If I'm wrong, show me one that has earned the recipient enough to actually help race his boat. 

Much ado over nothing. 

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Olympic campaign Ok.

All other ventures not ok. If you can't afford to go to regattas, change boats. Get something that fits your budget. There's tons of classes ou there.

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oh awesome i should do this for the thousands of $$$ i spend on taking my kids to opti regattas. How would it ever occur to anybody that this is okay? I dont get why strangers are so willing to put up money for other people to do fun stuff.

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2 hours ago, Plumber said:

Olympic campaign Ok.

All other ventures not ok. If you can't afford to go to regattas, change boats. Get something that fits your budget. There's tons of classes ou there.

This is why I own an RC Sailboat. It is what I can afford to campaign.

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5 hours ago, Plumber said:

Olympic campaign Ok.

All other ventures not ok. If you can't afford to go to regattas, change boats. Get something that fits your budget. There's tons of classes ou there.

All the young keel boat sailors are low budget programs, sailing boats they can barely afford.  They need to be encouraged.  There won't be any keel boat sailors in a few years if we don't support them.  Our kids are not going to have the income and job security that we had.  

Either that, or we will have to watch keel boat racing fade into history.  It is pretty much doing that already, it won't take a lot to turn it into reality.

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2 minutes ago, Hole In The Kite said:

All the young keel boat sailors are low budget programs, sailing boats they can barely afford.  They need to be encouraged.  There won't be any keel boat sailors in a few years if we don't support that.  Our kids are not going to have the income and job security that we had.  

Either that, or we will have to watch keel boat racing fade into history.  It is pretty much doing that already, it won't take a lot to turn it into reality.

Not completely convinced about your income job security statement...Anyways, what's wrong with watching keelboat racing fade? Dinghy racing is cheaper, requires less logistics, and is more athletic...nothing wrong with that...

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1 minute ago, Plumber said:

Not completely convinced about your income job security statement...Anyways, what's wrong with watching keelboat racing fade? Dinghy racing is cheaper, requires less logistics, and is more athletic...nothing wrong with that...

Keel boats, their sails and all their equipment are built by people that have (or had) jobs.... so that's one thing wrong. 

You're right, there is no intrinsic value to keel boat racing, the human race will survive just fine without it.  It won't be as much fun to be a human though.

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You can't live like a rock star if you are not a rock star. I know a guy I call "Vacation Boy"  since he is always going away to places and loading up his credit card, yet asking relatives and friends for "Investments".  It's a great life if you can get away with it.....if you have no concern about your reputation or self esteem.

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On 10/26/2019 at 6:02 AM, Hole In The Kite said:

All the young keel boat sailors are low budget programs, sailing boats they can barely afford.  They need to be encouraged.  There won't be any keel boat sailors in a few years if we don't support them.  Our kids are not going to have the income and job security that we had.  

Either that, or we will have to watch keel boat racing fade into history.  It is pretty much doing that already, it won't take a lot to turn it into reality.

This. If we don't want our beautiful sport to fade away, we all need to chip in and help entitled millenniums own and race boats they can't afford. Clearly that is a sustainable model. But before you start hitting the pay pal buttons remember I still have that bridge for sale over in the Greta thread. You know the one - about the angry young Swedish girl that writes all her own speeches and sailed her carbon fibre neutral open 60 across the ocean?

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On 10/25/2019 at 10:20 AM, Plumber said:

Olympic campaign OK.

All other ventures not ok. If you can't afford to go to regattas, change boats. Get something that fits your budget. There's tons of classes out there.

Fixed.

I agree with trimfast. Plus, Olympians already receive financial support from tax dollars. They are the last people I would voluntarily donate to. 

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14 hours ago, LB 15 said:

This. If we don't want our beautiful sport to fade away, we all need to chip in and help entitled millenniums own and race boats they can't afford. Clearly that is a sustainable model. But before you start hitting the pay pal buttons remember I still have that bridge for sale over in the Greta thread. You know the one - about the angry young Swedish girl that writes all her own speeches and sailed her carbon fibre neutral open 60 across the ocean?

Maybe Greta can be the inspiration for other teens to take up sailing.

Now all we need to do is build thousands of Open 60's as that's what the teens will be expecting to sail on.

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13 hours ago, Dark Cloud said:

So how many months do we have left LB ? I've lost count

14 I think. I might have a garage sale next weekend. Got to make room for that dam bridge no one wants to buy. 

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1 minute ago, LB 15 said:

14 I think. I might have a garage sale next weekend. Got to make room for that dam bridge no one wants to buy. 

Sorry LB you are talking out your arse.

the earth will reach it's tipping point when Richo applies his pre-race hairspray to hold it for the race.

3 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

59 days now...

 

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23 hours ago, LB 15 said:

This. If we don't want our beautiful sport to fade away, we all need to chip in and help entitled millenniums own and race boats they can't afford. Clearly that is a sustainable model. But before you start hitting the pay pal buttons remember I still have that bridge for sale over in the Greta thread. You know the one - about the angry young Swedish girl that writes all her own speeches and sailed her carbon fibre neutral open 60 across the ocean?

I seem to have acquired a personal troll.  And a bogan attention-whore one at that.  I'm flattered LB. 

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8 minutes ago, Hole In The Kite said:

I seem to have acquired a personal troll.  And a bogan attention-whore one at that.  I'm flattered LB. 

So you should be cup cake. 

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9 hours ago, LB 15 said:

14 I think. I might have a garage sale next weekend. Got to make room for that dam bridge no one wants to buy. 

Can you relocate it to cross Bass Strait if I pay a little extra?

FKT

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1 hour ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Can you relocate it to cross Bass Strait if I pay a little extra?

FKT

Sure - as soon as the check clears.

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28 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Sure - as soon as the check clears.

Zimbabwe or Venezuelan currency OK?

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14 hours ago, The Dark Knight said:

Maybe Greta can be the inspiration for other teens to take up sailing.

Now all we need to do is build thousands of Open 60's as that's what the teens will be expecting to sail on.

Well, not cool. The carbon dioxide emitted in the construction of the said boats is drowning the planet.

What IS cool, though, is a go fund me for legal costs,  if you are sued for libel or slander and need cash. 

 

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On 10/25/2019 at 4:02 PM, Hole In The Kite said:

All the young keel boat sailors are low budget programs, sailing boats they can barely afford.  They need to be encouraged.  There won't be any keel boat sailors in a few years if we don't support them.  Our kids are not going to have the income and job security that we had.  

Either that, or we will have to watch keel boat racing fade into history.  It is pretty much doing that already, it won't take a lot to turn it into reality.

But those keel boat campaigns burn vast amounts of fossil fuels. Think of the carbon emitted during construction, rigging, sailmaking, plus coach boat engines, airline trips, SUV tow vehicle trips, the list is endless.

All are contributory factors to a warming planet where ecological catastrophe is occurring daily. The California wildfires are this week’s message that, if we want to save the planet, we must stop the madness immediately.

Insted of donating to a people who are destroying the planet, how about sending some of your cash to the needy and starving?

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On 10/23/2019 at 12:56 PM, kent_island_sailor said:

I need a new airplane, can I get in on this?

You can afford an Ercoupe if you just suck it up and stop eating

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29 minutes ago, Sail4beer said:

You can afford an Ercoupe if you just suck it up and stop eating

Last I checked they aren't new. I want a shiny new airplane. Send cash ASAP!!!

:P

* for real I can afford various airplanes. Until they break. I see what goes into keeping our club fleet running and that is spread out over a whole bunch of us and then we have the ADS-B upgrade bill :o

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Currently I’m kind of stuck in North America without a carbon free ride home. 

If anyone wants to send cash or bitcoin:

greta@climateemergency.com

 

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On 10/24/2019 at 5:56 AM, kent_island_sailor said:

I need a new airplane, can I get in on this?

Creflo Dollar can help

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13 hours ago, Saint Greta said:

But those keel boat campaigns burn vast amounts of fossil fuels. Think of the carbon emitted during construction, rigging, sailmaking, plus coach boat engines, airline trips, SUV tow vehicle trips, the list is endless.

All are contributory factors to a warming planet where ecological catastrophe is occurring daily. The California wildfires are this week’s message that, if we want to save the planet, we must stop the madness immediately.

Insted of donating to a people who are destroying the planet, how about sending some of your cash to the needy and starving?

Back to your thread, pestilent sock.  Perhaps it didn't occur to you, but there are many ways to encourage youth in sailing, not just cash money solicited on-line. 

The real Greta concluded that sailing a keelboat across the Atlantic was preferable to flying in an airliner.  Keelboats are also a kind of carbon sink.  If we can stop using fossil fuels for transportation, electricity and home heating, we can probably justify taking some of the excess and turning it into sailboats with electric engines.

Rare to see a coach boat in keelboat racing.  In my 37 year keelboat program, there were no coach boats, airline trips, or SUV tows, and precious few vehicle trips.  The 9.9 outboard sipped fuel.  

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22 minutes ago, Hole In The Kite said:

  In my 37 year keelboat program, there were no coach boats, airline trips, or SUV tows, and precious few vehicle trips.    

Yep but on the upside it is very picturesque on that tiny lake.

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28 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Yep but on the upside it is very picturesque on that tiny lake.

Hey, my pet troll is back!  What do you eat?  I know you hate 16-y.o. girls that are smarter and more accomplished than you, but aside from that, what do you like?

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Image result for gofundme

Thank you all for giving so generously to by previous scam campaign. The boat is now paid for, packed up and on its way to Sardinia.

wallycentoTango17_8449ph.-Gilles-Martin-Raget.jpgWhat I need help with now is, well, a little company and some deck jewelry befitting the boat. My dream includes a few smoking hot babes hanging around. I have priced these girls and even at their day rate this is not going to be cheap. I figure i will need three @ $10k per day each x 10 days plus expenses so another 1/2 should cover it. I have to pay for the airfares from Russia as well. So please hit the pay pal button once again and make a little boys dream come true.

I have been looking at the websites and I quite like this one.

Image result for hot girls in bikinis

 

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1 minute ago, Hole In The Kite said:

Hey, my pet troll is back!  What do you eat?  I know you hate 16-y.o. girls that are smarter and more accomplished than you, but aside from that, what do you like?

Fishing.

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3 hours ago, Hole In The Kite said:

Back to your thread, pestilent sock.  Perhaps it didn't occur to you, but there are many ways to encourage youth in sailing, not just cash money solicited on-line. 

The real Greta concluded that sailing a keelboat across the Atlantic was preferable to flying in an airliner.  Keelboats are also a kind of carbon sink.  If we can stop using fossil fuels for transportation, electricity and home heating, we can probably justify taking some of the excess and turning it into sailboats with electric engines.

Oh yes, that works *so* well.

Provided you don't want to sail past the end of the extension lead for longer than maybe an hour or so, anyway.

FKT

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typo

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3 hours ago, Hole In The Kite said:

 

The real Greta concluded that sailing a keelboat across the Atlantic was preferable to flying in an airliner.  Keelboats are also a kind of carbon sink.  If we can stop using fossil fuels for transportation, electricity and home heating, we can probably justify taking some of the excess and turning it into sailboats with electric engines.

Rare to see a coach boat in keelboat racing.  In my 37 year keelboat program, there were no coach boats, airline trips, or SUV tows, and precious few vehicle trips.  The 9.9 outboard sipped fuel.  

Let’s keep the half dozen or so delivery crew air flights out of the picture, got it? The idea that I sailed “carbon free”across the pond is a winning narrative, and with your help (and the rest of the gullible media) we’ll keep it that way!

Now, about your tricky scheme to “justify” the use of fossil fuels in your plastic sailboats. How dare you! The planet is burning up, and you intend to use up irreplaceable fossil fuel on a rich mans hobby, all because you “saved” it elsewhere?

i thought you were on our team. With that kind of approach, you’re no friend of mine. Might as well take a swim in Al Gore’s heated pool.

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9 minutes ago, Saint Greta said:

Let’s keep the half dozen or so delivery crew air flights out of the picture, got it? The idea that I sailed “carbon free”across the pond is a winning narrative, and with your help (and the rest of the gullible media) we’ll keep it that way!

Now, about your tricky scheme to “justify” the use of fossil fuels in your plastic sailboats. How dare you! The planet is burning up, and you intend to use up irreplaceable fossil fuel on a rich mans hobby, all because you “saved” it elsewhere?

i thought you were on our team. With that kind of approach, you’re no friend of mine. Might as well take a swim in Al Gore’s heated pool.

I trust you will be at the finish line of the Sydney to Hobart race, staging a 'peaceful' protest regarding the immoral destruction of our precious planet. What, with all the crew needing to fly in/out, transport their selfish family members (again by plane). Might still be time to request your own tent next to the official Rolex one.

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It appears the sock/troll pestilence that incubated in the Greta thread is spreading across SA.  Time to give SA a break for a while.  Sorry, attention whores!   Try not to get flicked again while I'm away, ok?

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1 hour ago, Hole In The Kite said:

It appears the sock/troll pestilence that incubated in the Greta thread is spreading across SA.  Time to give SA a break for a while.  Sorry, attention whores!   Try not to get flicked again while I'm away, ok?

Ah the old ‘I am leaving’ post. It is the next stage up from ‘you are on ignore’ on the Richter scale of panty twist. 

See ya cup cake. 

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2 hours ago, Hole In The Kite said:

It appears the sock/troll pestilence that incubated in the Greta thread is spreading across SA.  Time to give SA a break for a while.  Sorry, attention whores!   Try not to get flicked again while I'm away, ok?

See ya Ahole!

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5 hours ago, Hole In The Kite said:

It appears the sock/troll pestilence that incubated in the Greta thread is spreading across SA. the world.

Fucking hell, we had a mining conference in Melbourne this week, the loony left has completely lost their shit (again). :angry:  Even the PC coppers have resorted to capsicum spraying the feral jobless useless cunts living off taxpayers money. Yeah "we hate you mining cunts but we don't mind the spoils its riches afford us."

Cunts.

 

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6 hours ago, Hole In The Kite said:

It appears the sock/troll pestilence that incubated in the Greta thread is spreading across SA.  Time to give SA a break for a while.  Sorry, attention whores!   Try not to get flicked again while I'm away, ok?

Oh no! Joining the ”Deranger  I’m done and never ever coming back club!” What, dear lord, will happen?

Whatever, but during your vacation, be sure you don’t burn any fossil fuels. None. Zip. Nada. And don’t even think of buying any of the fossil fuel based products advertised on websites, especially woven polyester sailcloth to fix a hole in your spinnaker. 

Entire ecosystems are collapsing, people are dying, and it’s the human’s consumption of resources that is the cause.

I’m proud of your efforts, keep up the good work. 

 

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He is a true vanguard for society.

hope he/she saves the world.

Me? I’ll always be here fuckin’ off

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