Sydney to Hobart 2020

[SCANAS 506]

Tasmania will open its borders to New South Wales from Friday next week, meaning the state will be closed only to Victorians.

[PIL66 - XL2 885]

16 hours ago, euro said:

Well if there are no offshore races for the big toy, you might as well start racing inshore on a smaller toy.

Is that why you bought a boat...?

[Bill E Goat 269]

Sydney to Hobart gets green light after July COVID-19 scare

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/sailing/sydney-to-hobart-gets-green-light-after-july-covid-19-scare-20201029-p569uw.html

[euro 12]

On 10/28/2020 at 7:25 AM, PIL66 - XL2 said:

Is that why you bought a boat...?

Caravan Pil, caravan....  

[Puddle Jumping 1]

6 hours ago, Bill E Goat said:

Sydney to Hobart gets green light after July COVID-19 scare

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/sailing/sydney-to-hobart-gets-green-light-after-july-covid-19-scare-20201029-p569uw.html

Um, no mention of Victoria..... Sydney remains the center of the universe. 

[darth reapius 162]

56 minutes ago, Puddle Jumping said:

Um, no mention of Victoria..... Sydney remains the center of the universe. 

Pray you don't have gear failure and need to stop in Victoria hahahaha

Could be 1998 all over again, but instead every boat has to stop in a state battling an epidemic.

[Mid 2,846]

On 10/24/2020 at 4:17 PM, Se7en said:

Sounds better this way to me

Absolutely .

2 Tiers is plenty , Local And Federal .

[Up_Next 2]

So no two handed boats are eligible for the Tattersalls Cup or divisional placings. They will race in their own division.

Two handed boats are not eligible to compete against fully crewed boats.  That's the word from the CYCA according to their email today.

This sucks..... 

[SCARECROW 558]

36 minutes ago, Up_Next said:

So no two handed boats are eligible for the Tattersalls Cup or divisional placings. They will race in their own division.

Two handed boats are not eligible to compete against fully crewed boats.  That's the word from the CYCA according to their email today.

This sucks..... 

I kind of assumed that would always be the case.  Especially the own division bit.

[Couta 472]

And here's the decision from that tight-knit little fraternity that looks after its own....

It's the classic "shit sandwich" approach with the "we value you" opening statement..followed by the shit .....followed by the "we really value" you closer....read on:

 

"Thank you for your patience and understanding with regard to the Two-Handed eligibility decision

The Club has spent a long time considering all aspects of this decision. We are writing to advise you of the Board’s decision.

The Club remains incredibly excited about the inclusion of two-handed sailing in the Rolex Sydney Hobart, particularly as this area of our sport becomes increasingly popular worldwide. Nevertheless, this new division adds a layer of complexity through the sophisticated sailing technology associated with Autopilot units.

The Club believes further understanding needs to be gained regarding the full capacity of this technology and how it will be accommodated within current handicap rating systems. As such, the Club will be amending the 2020 Rolex Sydney Hobart Notice of Race to reflect that two-handed entrants will be scored within their own handicap category divisions and not be eligible to compete against fully crewed boats in divisions or for the overall race win.

The inclusion of two-handed sailing is an important step forward for the Club and we will be honouring this division with a new perpetual trophy for the IRC Two-Handed overall winner.

The Amendment to the Notice of Race will be published early next week."

This is despite meetings and reassurances by none less than the commodore and sailing manager that this would not happen...it just did...because a handful of power-brokers on big name boats threatened/persuaded the club to reconsider their priorities....

Entries have been withdrawn....

[Couta 472]

Gotta love the justification..."The Club believes further understanding needs to be gained regarding the full capacity of this technology and how it will be accommodated within current handicap rating systems."....Like they've only just realised that short handed racing yachts use self steering tech......and have been doing so for years. Either the club threw the idea of short handed into the mix as a poorly considered "brain fart"...or there's been a serious push back from the power brokers necessitating a back down. Pretty clear what happened.

 

[eastcoastlow 4]

Hey Couta, you’ve absolutely hit the nail on the head. It seems ridiculous that a two-handed boat is not eligible to win while everything from a 100 foot diesel-powered canter to a 30 something foot 1904 timber classic (Katwinchar or Maluka) are eligible. The other 600 mile Rolex races manage to include these boats, why not the CYCA? #stuckinthepast 

[Frogman56 88]

Incredibly lame nonsense from Cornish et al....

As if, under IRC, without compensation for 400 kg of crew off the rail, the boat speeds up! No rating credit for less crew weight.

Some real shit show chain tugging has occured here...

[SCANAS 506]

I mean it’s a slippery slope. One year DH’s can win, the next year a 130’ G Glass trimaran can. Discuss. 

[Frogman56 88]

Or a 105 foot canting keelboat

[DickDastardly 227]

On 10/30/2020 at 6:01 PM, Couta said:

Gotta love the justification..."The Club believes further understanding needs to be gained regarding the full capacity of this technology and how it will be accommodated within current handicap rating systems."....Like they've only just realised that short handed racing yachts use self steering tech......and have been doing so for years. Either the club threw the idea of short handed into the mix as a poorly considered "brain fart"...or there's been a serious push back from the power brokers necessitating a back down. Pretty clear what happened.

 

As a 25 year CYCA member I’m appalled. 

[The Dark Knight 683]

 

[Onthelock! 26]

At least they’ll be eligible for the LH trophy.....

 

[SCANAS 506]

On 10/30/2020 at 8:49 PM, SCANAS said:

I mean it’s a slippery slope. One year DH’s can win, the next year a 130’ G Glass trimaran can. Discuss. 

That’s a 48hr soak without a bite. I’m impressed. 

[DickDastardly 227]

10 hours ago, SCANAS said:

That’s a 48hr soak without a bite. I’m impressed. 

Trump isn't the only thing in the world that's beyond satire

[PIL66 - XL2 885]

10 hours ago, SCANAS said:

That’s a 48hr soak without a bite. I’m impressed. 

If Doug Lord wrote that however .............................

[Flatbag 51]

On 10/31/2020 at 9:22 PM, DickDastardly said:

As a 25 year CYCA member I’m appalled. 

And so you should be Dick. Once again we see the uninspired organisation that is the CYCA maintaining consistency in the application of their long held Cranio-Rectal Proximity policy.

What a bunch of extremely dumb self-interested cunts. 

[Flippin Out 109]

Looking like the Vics will be there too now.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/coronavirus/rolling-coverage-the-milestone-victoria-must-reach-to-end-mandatory-masks/news-story/64e1f7c1f5534eb5ef262eec0dbd4cb2

[Boink 661]

Did we really expect anything else from the Tilting at Windmills mentality that has given us 100ft limits - which exluded the likes of Mari Cha IV, IRC limits to competition - when Max Z86 Morning Glory which would have handed a boatspeed lesson to Skandia and Alfa Romeo - was banned as being too fast, AIS gate - with Mark Richards hair gel alledgedly frying the onboard electronics, and now Double Handed divisions being excluded?

Despite Autopilots being the way forward - being both adopted and embraced by the European community - the CYCA sticks their heads in the sand and act like King Canute trying to hold back the tide - we all know how that worked out........

[SCANAS 506]

The old upper rating & LOA Limits I agree with. In fact a reintroduction of an upper IRC limit could really bring this race back from the billionaires to the multi millionaires. 
 

I also think CYCA could be given a years leeway on the decision, it’s taken them 76yrs to get to this. 

[SCANAS 506]

I just spotted that derelict stretched VO60 in the entry list! Some work must have gone into that. I have to ask why?

[SCARECROW 558]

18 hours ago, SCANAS said:

I just spotted that derelict stretched VO60 in the entry list! Some work must have gone into that. I have to ask why?

Easier insurance claim if it sinks during a race.

[PIL66 - XL2 885]

19 hours ago, SCANAS said:

I just spotted that derelict stretched VO60 in the entry list! Some work must have gone into that. I have to ask why?

That thing called Aspen or whatever it was ..... The $10,000 shitter...?

[SCANAS 506]

I think so @PIL66 - XL2 
https://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/volvo-60-give-away-price-yes-55k-for-100-ownership/204477

https://rolexsydneyhobart.com/the-yachts/2020/winston-aspen1/
 

Must have had some hook ups on VO60 spares. 

[PIL66 - XL2 885]

3 hours ago, SCANAS said:

I think so @PIL66 - XL2 
https://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/volvo-60-give-away-price-yes-55k-for-100-ownership/204477

https://rolexsydneyhobart.com/the-yachts/2020/winston-aspen1/
 

Must have had some hook ups on VO60 spares. 

it blows my mind that someone spent enough coin to get that to the start..... wow

[SCANAS 506]

16 minutes ago, PIL66 - XL2 said:

it blows my mind that someone spent enough coin to get that to the start..... wow

Same. 

[The Dark Knight 683]

I wonder if it will race with the Ikea cabinets?

[terrafirma 980]

Wild Oats and Scallywag not competing. Scallywag due to Quarantine 14 days and Wild Oats statement says out of respect for all those who have suffered Covid-19

[Recidivist 491]

34 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

Wild Oats and Scallywag not competing. Scallywag due to Quarantine 14 days and Wild Oats statement says out of respect for all those who have suffered Covid-19

Scally had a way around the quarantine issue, but didn't want to spend the (relatively miniscule) money.

[mccroc 82]

On 11/2/2020 at 3:51 PM, SCANAS said:

The old upper rating & LOA Limits I agree with. In fact a reintroduction of an upper IRC limit could really bring this race back from the billionaires to the multi millionaires. 
 

I also think CYCA could be given a years leeway on the decision, it’s taken them 76yrs to get to this. 

No one should give the CYCA any leeway on anything. As someone said above, they are a bunch of Lloyd Bridges.

[rastro 737]

3 hours ago, terrafirma said:

Wild Oats and Scallywag not competing. Scallywag due to Quarantine 14 days and Wild Oats statement says out of respect for all those who have suffered Covid-19

So does that infer that all those entries are being disrespectful?

[PIL66 - XL2 885]

10 hours ago, astro said:

So does that infer that all those entries are being disrespectful?

no it means Oats has a problem of some sort... crew or management.... it was rumored that were done as a team which was shot down here and then they decide not to go....
I would think going is a boost for the business / economy / and well everything.... No..?

[Livia 655]

Don't say you were not warned but just watching about 45 knots roll through Maatsukyer right now but after the last few days out with 30 degree temps this is not early November normal from the last few years.

Looks like a good westerly stream for the next few days so a few days out in the Channel for me.

[Jono 42]

I'm still amazed that the CYCA has no problem with electrics / moveable ballast and power generation but thinks an autopilot gives an unfair advantage. Still what will be will be. Gives me another reason not to be stressed about not going.

Re quarantining. Kiwis can still come over on Christmas Day, but will have to quarantine for 14 days on return - if they can get a spot in a hotel. The Pros can call it business related and may well get paid for the confinement. However they would still miss New Year and a fortnight at the beach.

Tough ask.

 

 

[rastro 737]

33 minutes ago, PIL66 - XL2 said:

no it means Oats has a problem of some sort... crew or management...

Business cash flow outlook?

[ALL@SEA 247]

31 minutes ago, Livia said:

this is not early November normal

Early November normal is capricious in these parts!

[PIL66 - XL2 885]

25 minutes ago, astro said:

Business cash flow outlook?

No ..... Oatley family have enough

[SCARECROW 558]

How many of the big boat crews like Iain Murray, are in Auckland?

[terrafirma 980]

Well it would be good to know what is really going on with Oats? Interesting as the 100's are now dwindling for many reasons. So we now have a race between BJ and Infotrack? I wonder if Black Jack have made any further changes, they would have been disappointed with their result last year IMO. 

[SPORTSCAR 693]

19 hours ago, terrafirma said:

Wild Oats and Scallywag not competing. Scallywag due to Quarantine 14 days and Wild Oats statement says out of respect for all those who have suffered Covid-19

Oats saying its not a good visual for them to be racing to Hobart considering all the staff they have had to lay off during the pandemic. No doubt they would have had problems getting the significant o/s contingent of their crew to turn up with quarantine restrictions slowing and extending the immigration process.

Of critical importance, Ricko's hairdresser probably got the arse too.

[terrafirma 980]

Wharro is back..! Anyone know anything about this..? 

https://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/the-yachts/2020/thunderstruck/

Botin 80

[SCANAS 506]

3 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

Wharro is back..! Anyone know anything about this..? 

https://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/the-yachts/2020/thunderstruck/

Botin 80

Yeah theres a whole thing about it & lawsuits about the purchase from Kwok was on FP & around here somewhere. 

[terrafirma 980]

3 hours ago, SCANAS said:

Yeah theres a whole thing about it & lawsuits about the purchase from Kwok was on FP & around here somewhere. 

Yeah read the lawsuit deal. Sounded more like they were whinging about Gavin Brady talking up the boat's rating. Obviously when your selling a racing boat the rating and race results pretty much dictate a big part of the boat's price. If this Botin 80 got sold for $570k then I would have thought the boat isn't travelling too well? It never set the world on fire but I think originally it was designed to use some recycled gear? So Gavin Brady being sued for being shonky and the boat ends up with Wharro? Humm, case closed I would have thought...

[Zeusproject 120]

5 hours ago, terrafirma said:

Wharro is back..! Anyone know anything about this..? 

https://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/the-yachts/2020/thunderstruck/

Botin 80

Yes plus Paul Heyse and two others 

[Zeusproject 120]

10 hours ago, astro said:

Business cash flow outlook?

Team is wound up I’m told 

[Livia 655]

12 hours ago, ALL@SEA said:

Early November normal is capricious in these parts!

That was the point, just had a run of cracker days when it should be capricious as this time of year is crap.

[TPG 173]

10 hours ago, SPORTSCAR said:

Oats saying its not a good visual for them to be racing to Hobart considering all the staff they have had to lay off during the pandemic. No doubt they would have had problems getting the significant o/s contingent of their crew to turn up with quarantine restrictions slowing and extending the immigration process.

Of critical importance, Ricko's hairdresser probably got the arse too.

Something like 1200 laid off at Hamilton Island? Up here in New England a bunch of superyachts have been wandering around and lots of shit in the media about it.

Although Rising Sun is sitting amongst a bunch of steel fishboats. Not exactly the French Rivieria.  

[SPORTSCAR 693]

20 hours ago, terrafirma said:

Wharro is back..! Anyone know anything about this..? 

https://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/the-yachts/2020/thunderstruck/

Botin 80

The East Coast  sunfish flotilla is gathering...

[terrafirma 980]

1 hour ago, SPORTSCAR said:

The East Coast  sunfish flotilla is gathering...

Yeah but this boat has 2 rudders so it may take 2 sunfish..!  Multiple owners of this boat with Wharro as one has never ended well for the other owners? Paul would know what he is like so there should be no surprises......

[Zeusproject 120]

3 hours ago, terrafirma said:

Yeah but this boat has 2 rudders so it may take 2 sunfish..!  Multiple owners of this boat with Wharro as one has never ended well for the other owners? Paul would know what he is like so there should be no surprises......

Won’t go well I’m tipping.    Plenty of egos and neither will take a back seat

[SCANAS 506]

1 hour ago, Zeusproject said:

Won’t go well I’m tipping.    Plenty of egos and neither will take a back seat

Two wheels, one each per owner, per watch, solved. 

[Gorn FRANTIC!! 403]

3 hours ago, Zeusproject said:

Won’t go well I’m tipping.    Plenty of egos and neither will take a back seat

That and the boat is a proven barker.

[terrafirma 980]

3 minutes ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

That and the boat is a proven barker.

Yeah from memory didn't they take the rig and sails etc and whatever else off the Farr 80 Beau Geste which was nearly lost in the Auckland to Noumea race (Suffered Hull and Deck Damage) and design the Botin hull around the gear? 

https://www.sail-world.com/Australia/Noumea-Race-Beau-Geste-would-have-taken-a-minute-to-sink-says-skipper/-98059?source=google

[Mahina 13]

They are leaving West coast US tomorrow, will need to be a quick delivery back to Sydney in time for Hobart start, plus do quarantine and qualifier miles.

[terrafirma 980]

4 minutes ago, Mahina said:

They are leaving West coast US tomorrow, will need to be a quick delivery back to Sydney in time for Hobart start, plus do quarantine and qualifier miles.

Are they shipping it or sailing it over?

[Mahina 13]

Sailing, as far as i know

 

 

[SCARECROW 558]

10 minutes ago, Mahina said:

Sailing, as far as i know

 

 

Wouldn't sailing it tick off the qualifying miles?  I think an augment could be made for quarantine too if you could prove you didn't touch land for 2 weeks. 

[Dark Cloud 305]

40 minutes ago, SCARECROW said:

Wouldn't sailing it tick off the qualifying miles?  I think an augment could be made for quarantine too if you could prove you didn't touch land for 2 weeks. 

Yes it would qualify miles-wise - if at least half the race crew were aboard, i think.

It should be ok for quarantine but govts are pretty thick when it comes to boats. I think they view it the same as a plane, but worse

[terrafirma 980]

I'd rather sail the boat from the West Coast and tick off the quarantine 2 weeks that way.! The hotel quarantine would be a nightmare. Getting the qualifier out of the way that way would be a bonus. Wharro will be chasing a podium for Line Honors with no Oats, Commanche and Scallywag. 

[The Dark Knight 683]

It will be interesting to see if common sense is used when it comes to quarantine. 

[Zeusproject 120]

50 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

I'd rather sail the boat from the West Coast and tick off the quarantine 2 weeks that way.! The hotel quarantine would be a nightmare. Getting the qualifier out of the way that way would be a bonus. Wharro will be chasing a podium for Line Honors with no Oats, Commanche and Scallywag. 

Still blackjack though 

[JonRowe 678]

Isn't Infotrack going too? 

[terrafirma 980]

12 minutes ago, JonRowe said:

Isn't Infotrack going too? 

Yes Info and Black Jack leaving room for an 80 footer to sneak into 3rd with competition from a Volvo 70 Maserati perhaps? 

[terrafirma 980]

18 minutes ago, Zeusproject said:

Still blackjack though 

I said Podium which would mean 3rd if Black Jack and Infotrack battle it out for 1st and 2nd

[trt131 169]

Don't forget Alive

[jackolantern 451]

Who are the other owners?

[SCANAS 506]

Four blokes from Melbourne: 

Grant Wharrington

Paul Heyse

Daryl Kerrigan

Mick Gatto

 

 

[SAIL59 0]

Four (4) blokes = Four (4) steering wheels!!!!

[terrafirma 980]

4 hours ago, SCANAS said:

Four blokes from Melbourne: 

Grant Wharrington

Paul Heyse

Daryl Kerrigan

Mick Gatto

 

 

Mick Gatto would not be seen anywhere near the Ocean unless they have chained his ankles and are dumping him overboard..!  And Daryl Kerrigan is a land lubber who only ventures into Lake Eildon occasionally.! 

[Turkey Slapper 55]

17 hours ago, Dark Cloud said:

Yes it would qualify miles-wise - if at least half the race crew were aboard, i think.

It should be ok for quarantine but govts are pretty thick when it comes to boats. I think they view it the same as a plane, but worse

Ships are sent at moment to the southern ports of AU first to burn up time to make the 2 weeks quarantine time from last port. I'm sure if they are logged with amsa or who ever so it won't be an issue when hitting Australian waters! 

[SCANAS 506]

2 hours ago, terrafirma said:

Mick Gatto would not be seen anywhere near the Ocean unless they have chained his ankles and are dumping him overboard..!  And Daryl Kerrigan is a land lubber who only ventures into Lake Eildon occasionally.! 

Darryl has supplied a 1984 Johnson 90hp two stroke to replace the heavy diesel & get it on the step earlier. It’s one to watch. 

[terrafirma 980]

1 hour ago, SCANAS said:

Darryl has supplied a 1984 Johnson 90hp two stroke to replace the heavy diesel & get it on the step earlier. It’s one to watch. 

Love it Scanas. Got to ask though what made you come up with the last 2 names.? LOL 

[SCANAS 506]

14 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

Love it Scanas. Got to ask though what made you come up with the last 2 names.? LOL 

Mokbel has CAT0 experience but he’s locked up. Daryl can source parts cheap, much desirable skill in yachting. 

[The Dark Knight 683]

Who is Paul Heyse?

Warro won't be trying anything dodgy to screw over Gatto

 

[Flatbag 51]

5 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

Who is Paul Heyse?

Warro won't be trying anything dodgy to screw over Gatto

 

FFS How long have you been sailing in Melbourne?

1- Zac's dad

2-  Mick G will be a DNS. Mick doesn't like being seen hanging around dodgy characters - not good for his image.

[Flatbag 51]

2 hours ago, SCANAS said:

Mokbel has CAT0 experience but he’s locked up. Daryl can source parts cheap, much desirable skill in yachting. 

Big Tony should be out soon due to Ms Gobbo's indiscretions; might even make the Hobart start this year.

Has serious blue water cred. Navigated Aus to Greece a while back?

[Zeusproject 120]

20 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

Who is Paul Heyse?

Warro won't be trying anything dodgy to screw over Gatto

 

He sailed with Warro years ago , sportsboat sailer and also sailed with Whitty. 
 

[Zeusproject 120]

14 minutes ago, Flatbag said:

FFS How long have you been sailing in Melbourne?

1- Zac's dad

2-  Mick G will be a DNS. Mick doesn't like being seen hanging around dodgy characters - not good for his image.

Zac who

[Flatbag 51]

1 minute ago, Zeusproject said:

Zac who

Son of PH

[The Dark Knight 683]

1 minute ago, Zeusproject said:

Zac who

Exactly.....

Expecting FB to say......'s sister .

 

This is who google gives me

 

[Zeusproject 120]

Both extremely good if you ask them ! 

[Jethrow 132]

Daryl Kerrigan?

[Gorn FRANTIC!! 403]

16 minutes ago, Jethrow said:

Daryl Kerrigan?

Try again.

[pulpit 189]

19 minutes ago, Jethrow said:

Daryl Kerrigan?

 

1 minute ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

Try again.

With out doing a quick google search. 

 

Isn’t this Dale Kerrigan and he is famous for digging a hole ?

 

As far  as Pual Hayes goes, Pual is one of the Mornington Sailing maffa and a very good sailor and his son Zac is also a very good sailor. 

 

The one  bonus with Warro coming back into the game is he is going to piss off so many people at the CYC in any boat he is Sailing. 

 

How would it be if he sailed in the short handed division and took line honours in this boat  and beat the 100 footers ?

 

I know, Tell him he is dreaming !!!!!

 

it would put a smile on my face and many others as well. 

 

Pulpit

[Mahina 13]

On 5 November 2020 at 7:32 PM, terrafirma said:

Are they shipping it or sailing it over?

Left San Diego 3pm yesterday AEST, should have a quick few days 20-30knts N-N/W going E-N/E for next week.

[Jethrow 132]

9 hours ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

Try again.