Fiji Bitter

Brexit WTF, WTF

Recommended Posts

25 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:
31 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

You do know it's the UK that has left the EU, not Germany??

Just checking. 

Gosh really who would have thought that and Germany as part of the EU has tariff free access to the UK as part of Boris's thin deal for its Mercs and BMW's. Good for both sides. Import cars with engines from the US and guess what, tariffs.

 "Import cars with engines from the US and guess what, tariffs"

Gosh really did you become a brain donor 25 minutes ago?

You posted about rules of origin 30 minutes ago.

Rules of origin is a Non -Tariff Barrier, it is not a tarriff.

35 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Speaking to Autocar, a Ford UK spokesman confirmed the rise was “all to do with Brexit pricing” because some of the engine components used in the production of both models are sourced from the US. 

Those components push the two models over the allowable limit on what proportion of goods can be assembled from parts made outside of the UK and EU for tariff-free access. Known as ‘rules of origin’, it could mean a number of other UK models assembled in the EU from components made elsewhere become significantly more expensive. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 11/5/2019 at 5:42 AM, Fiji Bitter said:

No way I'm going to PA.

This was a top thread, now it's fucked.

Thank you fucking idiots.

Sally, get a grip.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

Last Saturday when I did my market there wasn't that much fish on the stalls, fishmongers were packing early and I didn't get the fish I was after, this isn't completely unheard of during the winter as it is harder for them to fish. So I doubt that they couldn't sell their fish because the French market is saturated with fish. Some of the stalls are held by a small boat or a group of small boats that sell directly but others by full time fishmongers who presumably buy the stuff on the open market.

Fair enough, but you would have to admit the demand for fresh fish ( shouldn't these catches be frozen if they are in excess ) in France, like the UK, must be hugely deminshed by Covid.

As to the problems of getting fresh shellfish across the channel with appropriate documentation, get used to it, that's a by product of the cobbled up deal that let both sides politicians claim victory in the Brexit divorce.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

^^^^^^ This the 2nd thread started in May 2019.... in 4 months that 2 years ago. Time flys.

flys?  Thankful I taught math.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, jack_sparrow said:

^^^^^^ This the 2nd thread started in May 2019.... in 4 months that 2 years ago. Time flys.

And in your case 20 months of 20 hours a day, 360 days a year tappety tap tap down in your bilges, creating over 25000 posts of some of the most inane, peurile adolescent shite written here on SA, that historically has proven to be wrong on so may levels.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

As to the problems of getting fresh shellfish across the channel with appropriate documentation, get used to it, that's a by product of the cobbled up deal that let both sides politicians claim victory in the Brexit divorce.

"As to the problems of getting fresh shellfish across the channel with appropriate documentation, get used to it, that's a by product of the cobbled deal that let both sides politicians claim victory in the Brexit divorce."

So you have also donated your cats brain?? They demanded a 2:1 for one deal or did you volunteer?

The UK is a third country...the EU deals with lots of third countries. Excluding UK that's 90% of its business. Why would he the EU lose sleep about trade friction on less than 10% now appearing?? 

UK on the other hand has trade friction now on 50% of its business it never had.

The killer though is many of those 3rd countries have FTA's with the EU that removes that friction. Some have sector agreements that do likewise. The UK??? Still stuck in the trade friction mud.

How long have you been on this thread??

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

And in your case ... historically has proven to be wrong on so may levels.

Name just ONE wrong and ONE Brexit advantage.

Betcha can't.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

flys?  Thankful I taught math.

At what speed has it flown and how much faster than normal??

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
46 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Name just ONE wrong and ONE Brexit advantage.

Betcha can't.

Your view that we would, in your view " see sense " and stay in the EU, would have to be the biggest and main one you got wrong.

One Brexit advantage is watching a man throw his entire life away in creating 25000 posts on SA for two years, knowing full well that he's only ever able to report using hindsight on something he has no ability to change, as entertainment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Name just ONE wrong and ONE Brexit advantage.

Betcha can't.

I can:

1. No more Farage and Widdecombe anymore

2. No more UK Vetos

3. No more UK influence on EU rules

4. No need to deal with insane UK politicians anymore. 

So, we did not expect it, but we can clearly see some advantages on the EU side. 

  • Like 6

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

5. Less risks for our financial system without the city of london

6. More nurses from Poland in our hospitals

7. Much stronger unity within the EU. 

8. No cherry pickers anymore

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

9. Weakens the far right caucus in the European Parliament

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

It is too easy to call this ..... guy a gullible fool, 

He is not poor.  He is not gullible.  He's just a plain stupid greedy fish merchant.

He is pretty smart and one of the biggest and richest fish merchants on the South coast. 90% of his business is exporting to the EU and beyond.

For somebody so smart words fail to describe his galactic stupidity why he thought brex was a good idea. He was probably just trying to appease his trawler owner cronies.

To now say boo hoo hoo, I have been conned and lied to by Boris is beyond lame and he's just trying to save his skin from public condemnation.

He's been on telly too peddling the same bullshit.  Yup a smart turkey voting for xmas, go figuire.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

11. Less badly behaved English tourists

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Laser1 said:
6 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

It is too easy to call this ..... guy a gullible fool, 

He is not poor.  He is not gullible.  He's just a plain stupid greedy fish merchant.

He is pretty smart and one of the biggest and richest fish merchants on the South coast. 90% of his business is exporting to the EU and beyond.

For somebody so smart words fail to describe his galactic stupidity why he thought brex was a good idea. He was probably just trying to appease his trawler owner cronies.

To now say boo hoo hoo, I have been conned and lied to by Boris is beyond lame and he's just trying to save his skin from public condemnation.

He's been on telly too peddling the same bullshit.  Yup a smart turkey voting for xmas, go figuire.

Every single company that relied on EU export/import could have solved the problem by picking up the phone to their EU colleagues. 

"Do you think this Brexit thing is going fuck up the business"?

He didn't, Fuck him.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"UK proposes fast-track scheme for food lorries returning to EU"

Translation: "we have a major, major problem of EU drivers refusing to deliver to UK, because they are worried about being delayed coming back. And it is affecting National food security." 
EroW8tQW4AAQnWq?format=png&name=900x900

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, mad said:

11. Less badly behaved English tourists

Certainly from COVID, but will be interesting to see if this is the case due to Brexit in the long term. I suspect travel agents will just package up the required health insurance and other paperwork into the cost of the holiday, so the Brits won't notice the difference as the price hike will be post-COVID. They will moan about the airport queue, but get over it, and won't care that their budget flight provider is now EU-owned. Plenty of Brits living in Spain to provide that "authentic" Costa ambience for the visitors, atleast for the next few years.

One thing BREXIT won't change is the British weather....

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
44 minutes ago, Laser1 said:

Sideways :lol:

Quote

An Argyll-based shellfish processor has called post-Brexit export arrangements “an absolute mess” after being unable to export his produce to customers overseas for the first time in nine years.

Jamie McMillan, managing director of Loch Fyne Seafarms and Loch Fyne Langoustines, both based in Tarbert, turned to social media to sound off about his frustrations at not getting his seafood to key markets.

In an angry rant on Twitter, Mr McMillan said today was “not so beautiful” – unlike the weather on Loch Fyne this morning – because of Brexit.

He added: “For the first time in nine years we have been unable to export our products to the EU.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/2785852/nasty-brexit-shock-for-argyll-seafood-exporter/

Whoops!!!

Image

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Fuck the fish, if only for a moment.

Chartwells is a company that is trusted to send food supplies to children in need in the UK.

The picture below is what they find acceptable to replace a poor child's £30 weekly budget on food. The foodstuffs (if you want to call it that in a developed western country) displayed in the picture are worth about £6 minus change.

chartwells-covid-food-parcels.thumb.jpg.dabbca81e68de2bf0405c8a2fdb374ee.jpg

This is utterly appaling.

All of you Brexiteers may stop trying to win the fucking internet for a day or two and grant a few thoughts on the future outcome of this! Your problems are not going to be Brexit related. The real problems for the UK in the not so distant future will follow this cruel and cynical treatment of your next generation.

The early 1970 will look like a distant golden age in comparison.

 

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, Grog said:

Fuck the fish, if only for a moment.

Chartwells is a company that is trusted to send food supplies to children in need in the UK.

The picture below is what they find acceptable to replace a poor child's £30 weekly budget on food. The foodstuffs (if you want to call it that in a developed western country) displayed in the picture are worth about £6 minus change.

chartwells-covid-food-parcels.thumb.jpg.dabbca81e68de2bf0405c8a2fdb374ee.jpg

This is utterly appaling.

All of you Brexiteers may stop trying to win the fucking internet for a day or two and grant a few thoughts on the future outcome of this! Your problems are not going to be Brexit related. The real problems for the UK in the not so distant future will follow this cruel and cynical treatment of your next generation.

The early 1970 will look like a distant golden age in comparison.

 

And no surprises, there's also a Tory party donor connection as well.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, mad said:

11. Less badly behaved English tourists

12. Cheap houses in Dordogne.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, mad said:

And no surprises, there's also a Tory party donor connection as well.

The government had an existing system to deal with this, using vouchers so the family could buy food, but no Tory mate can make money out of that so they change it to having a catering company provide £6 of "food" that doesn't even constitute a balanced diet for £30 of taxpayers money. Yet more cash into their mates pockets, whilst kids go hungry and the taxpayers foot the bill.

What £30 of food should look like:

food.png.3699b13752037f3e71621a0d7e452811.png

The blatant corruption is on another level, as @Grog says, appalling and beyond. Reinforces @jgh66 's EU benefit of Brexit number 4 above.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Now, lean back and watch the "project fear" desasters to unfold. 

Scottish fishermen threaten to dump rotten shellfish outside Parliament

Scottish fishermen have threatened to dump rotten shellfish outside the Houses of Parliament after their deliveries to the European Union were blocked by post-Brexit red tape.

The owners of two fishing companies said the introduction of health certificates, customs declarations and checks since 1 January had hit their delivery systems.

On Twitter, Jamie McMillan of Lochfyne Seafarms warned Boris Johnson that "if Scottish exporters can't get their product to market next week, we will be at the gates of (the Palace of) Westminster and we'll be dumping our shellfish on your doorstep, rotten."

"We are fighting for survival here," he said. "Get it sorted, and get it sorted now."

A second owner, Santiago Buesa of SB Fish, said: "I have plenty to dump as we can't get it sold because our markets have been shut down due to Brexit."

French buyers have rejected trailer loads of langoustine and salmon worth tens of thousands of pounds because they took too long to arrive

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, jgh66 said:

Now, lean back and watch the "project fear" desasters to unfold. 

Scottish fishermen threaten to dump rotten shellfish outside Parliament

Scottish fishermen have threatened to dump rotten shellfish outside the Houses of Parliament after their deliveries to the European Union were blocked by post-Brexit red tape.

The owners of two fishing companies said the introduction of health certificates, customs declarations and checks since 1 January had hit their delivery systems.

On Twitter, Jamie McMillan of Lochfyne Seafarms warned Boris Johnson that "if Scottish exporters can't get their product to market next week, we will be at the gates of (the Palace of) Westminster and we'll be dumping our shellfish on your doorstep, rotten."

"We are fighting for survival here," he said. "Get it sorted, and get it sorted now."

A second owner, Santiago Buesa of SB Fish, said: "I have plenty to dump as we can't get it sold because our markets have been shut down due to Brexit."

French buyers have rejected trailer loads of langoustine and salmon worth tens of thousands of pounds because they took too long to arrive

Well the first one voted for Brexit publicly. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Laser1 said:
13 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

It is too easy to call this ..... guy a gullible fool, 

He is not poor.  He is not gullible.  He's just a plain stupid greedy fish merchant.

6 hours ago, mad said:

He didn't, Fuck him.

 

6 hours ago, Laser1 said:

Sideways :lol:

 

After peeling back his scalp and stuffing Rees Mogg into the vacant cavity, then sealing it up so they are forever company.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, Grog said:

The picture below is what they find acceptable to replace a poor child's £30 weekly budget on food. The foodstuffs (if you want to call it that in a developed western country) displayed in the picture are worth about £6 minus change.

 This is utterly appaling.chartwells-covid-food-parcels.thumb.jpg.dabbca81e68de2bf0405c8a2fdb374ee.jpg

You missed the best bit. 

The Govt spec - Retail cost £7.25 (max as meat spec unclear)

Govt contract as spec - Tory mate £15.

Note: The £30 is something else, Govt value claim??? 

The kicker...Rashford the footballer rang Boris and complained. Boris UTurn. Boris in PMQ said Rashford was doing better job in opposition than Starmer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, jgh66 said:

Scottish fishermen threaten to dump rotten shellfish outside Parliament

Scottish fishermen have threatened to dump rotten shellfish outside the Houses of Parliament after their deliveries to the European Union were blocked by post-Brexit red tape.

Take rotting seafood to the Tory Dining room and give a demonstration on the 'force feeding' of Irish hunger strikers.

That started over a hundred years ago, ceasing in Thatcher's reign post 1980, where she just let them die, to make a point, which she eventually lost and Uturned on as simply other republicans then stepped forward to join the que to starve themselves to death for the cause.

Call it a colonial history lesson on food, both the Irish Question and Brexit. 

How many views on Twitter would that dining lesson get??

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, jgh66 said:

Now, lean back and watch the "project fear" desasters to unfold. 

I bloody well hope so.

I'll get the beer & popcorn B)

 

Interesting feature on Channel 4 news as well last night with the wheels coming off the supply chain in NI and hauliers facing bankrupcy.   Blojo invoking article 16 sounds interesting.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Laser1 said:

Blojo invoking article 16 sounds interesting.

Ah, about as useful an action as the stuff that was in the IMB bill :) Limited and in a specific way.

The ink is not dry yet and now they realize that what they signed causes problems in the UK internal market... again...
NI can supply itself from the South, but GB/UK transporters will have to adapt.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Laser1 said:

Interesting feature on Channel 4 news as well last night with the wheels coming off the supply chain in NI and hauliers facing bankrupcy.   Blojo invoking article 16 sounds interesting.

50 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Ah, about as useful an action as the stuff that was in the IMB bill :) Limited and in a specific way.

The ink is not dry yet and now they realize that what they signed causes problems in the UK internal market... again...
NI can supply itself from the South, but GB/UK transporters will have to adapt

Article 16 has hair all over it but all the promoters of it when asked the question what is the alternative that complies with NIP and GFA????.......silence.

The GB > NI issue has been crystal clear since day one and the Joint Committee only addressed  5 minutes b4 the Deal was done to not upset the 11th hour bullshit. Only one person to blame for that.

There is so much gaslighting going on from all sides it is difficult to determine real impacts other than the bleedin obvious being extra GB > NI friction, but what does it truly equal? How much is Waynes Covid etc? 

Republic to EU via UK landbridge doesn't seem to feature ...maybe the comparison a bitter pill to swallow. The real bitter pill to swallow for some is replacing GB with the south for some goods. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is just getting so depressing even from 1,000's of miles away.

Glimmer of hope is hospital pressure in London easing??? Which is going from fucking horrible to really horrible.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So much to rip into Sky News about this.

- Gaslighting for the Govt where the source is 'Westminister'...not the Govt, not Downing St, not naming the Minister(s) who leaked it. BUT 'Westminister,' that is unheard of.

- Nothing against anything stopping new Brazilian variant IN....but not one comment/even inference about the British variant let OUT. Accelerated by Johnson only publically revealing it's existence in mid December and for internal political gain for his Xmas UTurn, despite knowing of it since September.

The world is now grappling with that ESCAPE, lockdowns in some countries imposed because if it.

Sounds churlish I know considering the shit the UK is experiencing, but fuck in a pandemic what happened with information share??? 

What happened to fucking "global"?

Does the UK want to be treated like Belarus??

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Small but very unique twist to Brexit fishing...they are also from Ireland not NI.

Donegal fishermen say Brexit change endangering lives 

Six boats operating from Árainn Mhór, Toraigh and Inis Bó Finne, which are legally registered in Northern Ireland, can no longer land catch at their home ports and must give 24-hours notice to land at either Killybegs in Donegal or Castletownbere in Cork.

When John O'Brien of Inis Bó Finne bought his crabber in Northern Ireland some years ago it came with a UK licence, to change to a southern licence would cost him tens of thousands of euro.

John and his fellow island fishermen say their boats are too small to steam for about six hours in good weather, and much more in bad weather, to Killybegs (processing) through waters he describes "as a graveyard" for small boats.

They say it is not safe and they should be allowed land where they have always landed, in their home ports.

Love the Irish place names. 

The 6 Fisherman from Árainn Mhór, Toraigh and Inis Bó Finne

Z-BpWBlK.jpeg

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 hours ago, hump101 said:

The blatant corruption is on another level, as @Grog says, appalling and beyond. Reinforces @jgh66 's EU benefit of Brexit number 4 above.

Wish for this fellow to 'bump' into BumFace when out on his next Covid rule breaking 14 mile (2X7) "local" cycle ride ..... literally.

From his 'wingman'.

Matt Hancock says - "It's ok to go for a 7 mile walk/cycle, just as long as you stay local."

"Two women got a £200 fine for driving a short distance to have a walk... were the police right to fine them? 

Matt Hancock - "I'm absolutely going back the police... as every flex of the rules can be fatal"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ha ha....from Henig.

"Thank you to those in the EU for their kind expressions of concern but there really is no need to send ham sandwiches and as you point out we should soon be able to eat langoustines for breakfast, lunch, and dinner."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"The key is we got our fish back..their 'BRITISH' fish and they're now 'better' and ‘happier’ fish for it" 

Dead, rotting, better and happier for it....bit like what he thinks of dead British citizens too no doubt.

Fuck I hope that load of rotting fish bound for Westminister gets dumped on this cunts head.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think this is very significant re their normal market share and others who have also done the same in response to UK promise of a "soft touch" to counter absence of their preperation, it seems is not occuring as promised by the UK for next 6 months???

Therefore customs declarations have to be spot on regardless, as if there is NO "soft touch"??

German freight giant DB Schenker pauses UK deliveries 

". ...the latest firm to suspend deliveries to the UK because of increased paperwork following Brexit.

"Enormous bureaucratic regulations" linked to post-Brexit trading arrangements were to blame, it said.

Only about 10% of goods came with accurate customs forms, it added."

The EU obviously didn't promise a "soft touch" being tested and ready, hence UK truck parks being required, not just in the short term, but as a permanent fixture.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Wayne can definitely put this in his Covid friction basket as not NTB friction.

Leo has added a second test (rapid) in addition to existing 72 hr PCR test to all UK arrivals incl drivers and crew. 

Bearing in mind however under current UK COVID-19 restrictions, must not leave home or travel, including internationally, unless having a legally permitted reason, so probably doesn't change a lot.

Maybe even cancels out all EU imposed entry requirements leaving only NTB's on the friction table. :rolleyes:

Meanwhile the other Leo (Varadkar) not happy situation of people flying into Belfast from Britain without having to provide a negative PCR test from the previous 72 hours – as required in the Republic from this Saturday – presents “a very big back door” to the south he says.

That back door also swings both ways. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Fuck..now have to wind back my posts on 'cereal and grass seeds' if one my many assistants scores this job. I hope Wayne doesn't notice.

ErtMxjpW8AIMIkh.jpeg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

You missed the best bit. 

The Govt spec - Retail cost £7.25 (max as meat spec unclear)

Govt contract as spec - Tory mate £15.

Note: The £30 is something else, Govt value claim??? 

The kicker...Rashford the footballer rang Boris and complained. Boris UTurn. Boris in PMQ said Rashford was doing better job in opposition than Starmer.

 

The new Old-Chap-Network knows no limits to being cunts, does it?

The £30 quote was from a German news outlet, n-tv I think, and while by no means luxurious it did seem OKish to feed a child for five days of the week, given the UK food prices. Half of that is already inadaquate, and force feeding half of that again to some buddy of Boris' is criminal.

 

I am not impressed with how things are going in UK. Not impressed at all.

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 hours ago, mad said:

Every single company that relied on EU export/import could have solved the problem by picking up the phone to their EU colleagues. 

This from CEO Cold Chain 

"Any trading or logistics company looking to survive the weeks ahead has to get their head around what the French (or Irish, or Dutch...etc) need and do it."

 

 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, LeoV said:

Ah, about as useful an action as the stuff that was in the IMB bill :) Limited and in a specific way.

The ink is not dry yet and now they realize that what they signed causes problems in the UK internal market... again...
NI can supply itself from the South, but GB/UK transporters will have to adapt.

 

They have no fucking idea what they signed.

Quote

Boris Johnson has backed the under-fire fisheries minister after she admitted not reading the Brexit trade deal because she was busy organising a Nativity trail at Christmas.

Victoria Prentis has faced calls for her to quit after the comments, but the Prime Minister is standing by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) minister.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fishing-boris-johnson-brexit-trade-b1786993.html

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
44 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

This from CEO Cold Chain 

"Any trading or logistics company looking to survive the weeks ahead has to get their head around what the French (or Irish, or Dutch...etc) need and do it."

 

 

Its really not fucking rocket science!!  

I was on the phone to my suppliers and clients way before the referendum and straight on the phone the morning of the announcement.

 

Anybody expecting guidance or assistance from the government is a fool, they have no clue how it works. The large amount of the civil servants that had all the experience have left after spending years pointing out the basic flaws and being harangued by the government as being lazy or obstructing the process, a process that was never really on the agenda anyway.

Brexit is about making money for a few and tax avoidance, they just dressed it up to fool the idiots and get it rammed through parliament. 

 

  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Bloody, nasty, lying, teflon shoulders, blame someone else  George Useless .....   How much bloody time do you need to get your shit together ..... you had 4 years :angry:

I feel sorry for the seafood, what a waste.

Of course, it would have been open to the EU to offer us a greater period just as we have done with their goods coming over to us. For reasons known only to the EU and the way they approached the regulations, that wasn’t something they were willing to do.

George Eustice, Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2021-01-14/fishing-frustration-as-stock-goes-to-waste-during-brexit-teething-problems

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Laser1 said:

Bloody, nasty, lying, teflon shoulders, blame someone else  George Useless .....   How much bloody time do you need to get your shit together ..... you had 4 years :angry:

I feel sorry for the seafood, what a waste.

Of course, it would have been open to the EU to offer us a greater period just as we have done with their goods coming over to us. For reasons known only to the EU and the way they approached the regulations, that wasn’t something they were willing to do.

George Eustice, Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2021-01-14/fishing-frustration-as-stock-goes-to-waste-during-brexit-teething-problems

 

Was this the extension that the UK declined by any chance? (where's the dripping with sarcasm font when you need it)

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, mad said:

Was this the extension that the UK declined by any chance? (where's the dripping with sarcasm font when you need it)

"Of course, it would have been open to the EU to offer us a greater period just as we have done with their goods coming over to us. For reasons known only to the EU and the way they approached the regulations, that wasn’t something they were willing to do.

George Eustice, Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs"

Mad reason you have difficulty placing it is the lying cunt is rewriting history. There was no offer, there was NO special approach to EU regulations EVER contemplated.

1 January the EU, France, Belgium and Netherlands in particular were ready, or ready as they could with 11th hour deal for some interface stuff. UK controlled ferry systems ie. P&O they can't control. Their IT systems built and trialed etc. So goods into EU treated exactly as per UK being a 3rd country, exactly as per Deal and exactly as per WTO rules. 

1 January the UK have done no preperation and preperation for outgoing and incoming goods they have done is either not complete or fucked. Untested new IT that is crashing 30 year old IT modified crashing, new one missing first trialed in late 2018 and blew up (all this in Special Committee hearings). They can't even fucking layout bitumen to schedule to deal with tailbacks for outgoing goods, many that will be permanent, NOT temporary unless Deal changes. NONE related to Deal, required Deal or No Deal, it had to be in place as a 3rd country and that has been known for over 4 years.

Remedy extension, UK say NO.

UK Remedy apply a 6 month SOFT TOUCH to goods arriving in UK and ignore their OWN rules, if they exist yet. NOTHING to do with EU regulations and what they are doing or should be doing as promised, is contrary to WTO rules.

There is some conjecture, well by me about whether they are actually applying a SOFT TOUCH and because they can't even do that properly. See post below.

A bigger bunch of cunts that lie to their own citizens you could not find. Even that cunt in Belarus or the one in Nth Korea keep to their word, Fuck up and I will shoot you.

PS. And this has nothing to do with Waynes Covid.

9 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

I think this is very significant re their normal market share and others who have also done the same in response to UK promise of a "soft touch" to counter absence of their preperation, it seems is not occuring as promised by the UK for next 6 months???

Therefore customs declarations have to be spot on regardless, as if there is NO "soft touch"??

German freight giant DB Schenker pauses UK deliveries 

". ...the latest firm to suspend deliveries to the UK because of increased paperwork following Brexit.

"Enormous bureaucratic regulations" linked to post-Brexit trading arrangements were to blame, it said.

Only about 10% of goods came with accurate customs forms, it added."

The EU obviously didn't promise a "soft touch" being tested and ready, hence UK truck parks being required, not just in the short term, but as a permanent fixture.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

^^^^ This truck park capacity only 1,000 opened 1 January is part temporary. The big proper one next door is not finished.

11 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

It's starting 'to move'....or more precisely it is starting to 'not move'....and they are still miles short of Dover.

Long queues at Ashford Brexit lorry park opened on 1 Jan as truckers wait up to 8 hours for paperwork to be cleared

CZE3ALS7IDI7GEGKKRP7.jpg

IMG_20210114_230658.jpg.46735451bbe012933a5bcb16cd9a96e6.jpg

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, mad said:

They have no fucking idea what they signed.

Quote

Boris Johnson has backed the under-fire fisheries minister after she admitted not reading the Brexit trade deal because she was busy organising a Nativity trail at Christmas.

Victoria Prentis has faced calls for her to quit after the comments, but the Prime Minister is standing by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) minister.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/fishing-boris-johnson-brexit-trade-b1786993.html

She voted for it.

You don't expect a Minister or even PM to read a Trade Deal like a fucking novel. You do expect them to know the key salient points, particularly relating to their portfolio.

Pick one portfolio above any other in relation to promises made, a Minister might even fucking read it like a novel........fucking fish.

She should have been punted 5 minutes after this article appeared if a PM wants to survive himself. He is either so scared over his position or a dumb cunt, he can't even do that properly. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 

 

Michel Barnier has warned that many of the new regulatory frictions hampering cross-Channel trade will be impossible to smooth over, as the inevitable consequences of Brexit begin to manifest themselves for businesses across Europe. 

The EU’s Brexit negotiator said that some things have “changed for good” as a result of the UK’s policy choices, noting that “there are mechanical, obvious, inevitable, consequences when you leave the single market and that’s what the British wished to do”.

In an interview with a group of reporters, he underlined that Britain risks losing its tariff-free and quota-free trading rights with the EU if it diverges too far below European regulatory standards, singling out a recent controversy over a UK government decision to authorise a previously banned pesticide

 

This agreement will not be renegotiated, it now needs to be implemented,” he said.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, jgh66 said:

In an interview with a group of reporters, he underlined that Britain risks losing its tariff-free and quota-free trading rights with the EU if it diverges too far below European regulatory standards, singling out a recent controversy over a UK government decision to authorise a previously banned pesticide

 

This agreement will not be renegotiated, it now needs to be implemented,” he said.

Pesticide I think I raised here or certainly responded to with the EU emergency relaxation conditions NOT replicated by UK plus NOT having CAP assistance to counter lower yields by its restriction.

That point missed by EVERY Brexiteer, incl Wayne here.

The point not raised then and is raised by Barnier here is using it to highlight; "Britain risks losing its tariff-free and quota-free trading rights with the EU if it diverges too far below European  regulatory standards,.."

As Barnier says; "This agreement will not be renegotiated, it now needs to be implemented” 

OR in slightly less subtle language; "Stop fucking blaming us for what you fucking wanted, the deal is fucking done, it won't be fucking changed, so fuck off and make what you fucking chose, fucking work and fucking work quickly, you stupid fucking useless cunts."

Did I ever tell you I once wanted to be an international diplomat?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Dorries Minister for Mental Health, Suicide Prevention and Patient Safety...and a nasty piece of work.

Would want to be a ahead with a 3 week head start using more risky fast track vaccine approval.

She got whacked barely before she get out of her chair.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Don't know what it is, but the standard of 'shipost' replies to Tory tweets has risen.

From Dmitry G....and Tradie....

'Korg' is not Steve in language Nordic but species from Marvel Comics the Kronans – A semi-humanoid race. Pretty good description of the ERG lot.

Erww80NWMAICBRz.jpeg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

WTF....I knew Patel was always busting to be a prison officer...but now a hangwomen??

"The reluctance of the Home Office to deny publicly that it is reconsidering the restoration of the death penalty – an example of government-media relations"

The Law and Policy Blog

That's a REAL dead cat.

1049729529_unnamed(22).gif.0ef3825d1a0e513efe3d860f5ccb724f.gif

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

More things come out every day no-one really anticipated.

Steel factory closure warnings over EU steel import tariffs

In short....or is it a novel. 

- ROI import a lot of manufactured steel product from NI.

- NI in EU Customs Union plus in UK as a 3rd country.

- EU-UK free trade agreement is tariff and quota free.

- GB export 70% of it's steel products to the EU (incl NI)

However

- EU in July 2018 after the US imposed tariffs on steel and aluminium products imposed a "safeguard measure" to prevent large quantities of steel from around the world, which were shut out from the US, landing on the European market. The 'safeguard measure' a 25% tarrif

- NI as part of EU's single market, any steel imported from exporters around the world will be hit by that 25% tariff.

- EU's 'safeguard measure' also applies to the UK as a 3rd country, despite the tariff and quota free EU/UK trade agreement.

- Any exports GB > NI will count as part of the UK's quota because of the Northern Ireland Protocol. Once quota exceeded, then tariffs of 25% would apply GB > NI.

- 70% of UK steel is exported to the EU. Steel exports from GB > NI are considered 'at risk' of moving into the EU/ROI. 

Conclusion.

- Most steel GB > NI is effectively treated as an export to the EU and therefore will be subject to the EU's 25% 'safeguard measure' tarrif.

- Steel from the rest of the world to NI will also fall foul of 25% 'safeguard measure' tarrif. Some of it on ships already coming.

- NI manufacturers runs out of competitive priced steel as 25% 'safeguard measure' tarrif kicks in.

- UK can't export steel competitive priced steel products to EU (incl NI) once GB maxes out it quota shortly as 25% 'safeguard measure' tarrif kicks in.

The European Commission is understood to be looking into this steel tarrif from bottle of the barrel issue. :D

PS. And another Trump world trade legacy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The above Dutch Govt resign and this.

This is just for Wayne who consistently on this thread has deflected any blame on Johnson onto others, no matter how rediculous. He steadfastly believes for a PM and even Ministers, 'accountability' does NOT attach to their leadership positions.

Will this appalling series of events change his mind?

The Donkeys are back.

"The last man standing"

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

More things come out every day no-one really anticipated.

Steel factory closure warnings over EU steel import tariffs

In short....

I am not understanding the issue for NI here. They process steel made elsewhere. When UK was in EU, the steel they imported from outside the EU was subject to this tariff, so they imported from the UK as, despite being more expensive than India, was cheaper when the tariff was added. Now supply from the UK is no longer competitive, so they will just have to buy from elsewhere in the EU, or just buy more from India and elsewhere with the tariff added. Their basic costs are little effected and they can still import tariff-free into EU.

The big loser is the UK steel producers, who now no longer have the tariff barrier to protect their low productivity when supplying the EU, including NI. They just need to learn to produce steel for 25% less so they can compete with India, etc., and export worldwide. Might be an issue in the FTA they want with India, but that is what being global is all about.....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In short; UK to EU quota is not enough, only a few months worth of production. All UK factories suffer, but now they want to engage with the EU to end the quota and all export is tariff free. NI is just important for Ireland. But Ireland can order somewhere else. But this kid of contracts are long standing and not easy to change in a minute. But they have months.
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I appreciate that existing contracts are in place, and there is an inertia to overcome for change, but the UK steel producers have enjoyed the protection of the EU tariff barriers for years, but now complain that they are no longer protected. The EU quota reflects the EU's needs, which presumably have reduced now the UK is out. Why would the EU still allow the single market protections to extend to a country that is now outside?

You can only apply these protections if your market is big enough to be attractive enough for others to want to deal with you. That may no longer be the case for the UK, but why should the EU give up its advantage in this regard to the UK? If the UK is big enough, it can apply the same tariff regime to its own imports as the EU does, and reimburse its steel exporters from the tariffs, so all would be the same, except the UK would now be directly competing on productivity with the other countries outside the EU. That is what they wanted to do, so get on with it!!!

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

This is just for Wayne who consistently on this thread has deflected any blame on Johnson onto others, no matter how rediculous. He steadfastly believes for a PM and even Ministers, 'accountability' does NOT attach to their leadership positions.

Which Wayne are you referring to, my view of Johnson and his cohorts has always been along the lines of my views of lawyers and estate agents. About the only cretons lower in my admiration stakes would be forum thread posters who post " porkies " to try and denigrate another poster.

What I have been consistent in saying in this thread, is that in these extroadinary times, others in the management chains within the civil service and particularly Public Health England have not been good enough to run a piss up in a brewery, let alone a pandemic crisis. The management in PHE and the civil service has genuinely been poor and Covid has only highlighted their inadequacies.

Only fools such as Jack would conflate the incompetance of PHE and those previously running the Brexit negotiations, to blaming everything as a failure on one man, Boris. Whoever the PM at this moment in time would be taking the same shite from the media, after all if a PM is being fed rubbish data, you can only get rubbish data out. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Slowly the consequences of being 3rd country sinks in by the deniers.

Like by the Leave voting horse supplement exporter from Wales, who got hundred parcels send back with the request; stop sending parcels, they are not allowed.
He is now looking for a different logistic company :) slow learner...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What does the 25% on steel mean for the UK car builders?... or for their foreign owners on deciding where to build new models? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, jgh66 said:

What does the 25% on steel mean for the UK car builders?... or for their foreign owners on deciding where to build new models? 

 Ford doesn't need so much as they like to rust.

 A floating tin  :lol:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

This is just for Wayne who consistently on this thread has deflected any blame on Johnson onto others, ..

Will this appalling series of events change his mind?..

"The last man standing"

6 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Which Wayne are you referring to,..

"Which Wayne are you referring to, .."

The heartless one with 'zero' sense of responsibility who totally ignored the post content he replied to and deflected as usual.

6 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

....others in the management chains within the civil service and particularly Public Health England have not been good enough.....

Pity the poor sods who live next door to you. 

Do you get much turnover??

Your local removalist must be making a fortune.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think he prefers to be called Whyne? Probably what everyone calls him.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, cms said:

I think he prefers to be called Whyne? Probably what everyone calls him.

You’re not enhancing my views of Scottish Expats intelligence when they constantly carp on about how wonderful their motherland is and yet refuse to live there.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Enough of Whiney......

BREAKING

Armin Laschet has been chosen as the new leader of Germany’s ruling CDU party. He’s an ally of Merkel, the EU and Macron and Premier of North Rhine-Westphalia. He won an online poll of CDU delegates to a virtual conference this morning.

Stability continues.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just sit back and wait;

"Unless the deal changes in some material way we’re going to see the re-engineering of almost all the EU-UK and GB-NI supply chains over the next 6-9 months," Ian Wright, the head of the UK Food and Drink Federation told the House of Commons Future Relationship Committee. 

"There will be easements, there will be fixes, there will be work-arounds, but essentially if nothing changes in the composition of the deal we will have to see a significant re-engineering, which in the short terms means there will be costs and time wasted for supply to reach the shelves and in the long term will be costs and changes and fairly significant changes to the way in which manufactures in the UK and EU interact."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0115/1190108-brexit-analysis-and-comment/

It is so funny the one sector that was promised sunlit uplands are now suffering the most, fish...
As my fishmonger told me yesterday, the EU fish industry won around 90% of their rights to fish in UK waters.
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well the Sun is going to confuse the fuck out of a lot of people today.

- The boss shuts out everyone elses mutant strains.

 - For just £9.50 you can go and infect the world with our mutant strain.

 

IMG_20210116_211350.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This  argument that has been going for a few days now amoungst some very smart people.

My view is if your Ministerial portfolio is touched by something with fundamental importance, impact the country for years and affect tens of millions of people, then start reading, understanding and asking a lot of questions of advisors.

My view from commercial experience with complex agreements that combine money with the very technical, everytime I have delegated someone on staff to brief lawyers/advisors and negotiate with the other side, the end result has often been less than if I had done it myself.

There is a place for micro-manage sometimes. 

Why prime ministers and ministers should read the legal texts for which they are responsible – and not leave it to summaries and advisors

Er2Ke9vXYAAt60q.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
38 minutes ago, LeoV said:

It is so funny the one sector that was promised sunlit uplands are now suffering the most, fish...
As my fishmonger told me yesterday, the EU fish industry won around 90% of their rights to fish in UK waters.

Pretty sure most of us here thought the same...Johnsons history said he would definitely throw Fish under the bus, but in the end didn't think he would be game enough to do it, piddling as it is in £ terms. The hardliners would eat him alive.

For instance I saw Fish as his marker of winning or losing, so it would be at least 50/50 and he could bullshit it into 75/25 domestically as a big win.

Low and behold 90/10 and with pictures of rotting fish and that not rotting, cheap as chips in the market, no amount of bullshit works there.

It now really shows up how 2016 Vote Leave was such a giant fraud.

I would be a shit gambler or bookmaker.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

BJ only used Control F. on the document.

ControlF; ECJ or ECJ.
If found, reject.
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Trade fish for financial services access and keep the UK in EU supply Chain.
He lost all. And still afraid to go No Deal.

Be careful what you fish for.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
59 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Trade fish for financial services access..

That was a UK line in the sand, never, never to move. Unfortunately the tide came in and ended up with neither.

That takes a lot of fucking skill.

Didn't even have tide tables.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, LeoV said:

BJ only used Control F. on the document.

ControlF; ECJ or ECJ.
If found, reject.
 

He wiped them but doesn't wipe shit useless Ministers like Fisheries woman the most recent. Odd.

I'm still laughing about Steve Baker and this.

On 1/15/2021 at 7:21 PM, jack_sparrow said:

From Dmitry G....and Tradie....

'Korg' is not Steve in language Nordic but species from Marvel Comics the Kronans – A semi-humanoid race. Pretty good description of the ERG lot.

 Erww80NWMAICBRz.jpeg

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, troll99 said:

https://industryeurope.com/sectors/transportation/british-car-industry-sees-biggest-sales-slump-in-over-half-a/

British Car Industry Sees Biggest Sales Slump In Over Half A Century

Will Waynes family´s CNC company survive? Wayne does nothing except keep sucking both moms tits :D

Is that his business?  He's only ever mentioned importing widgets from China

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, LeoV said:

There will be easements, there will be fixes, there will be work-arounds, ....

Hayes last sentence on similiar about UK trying to negotiate these fixes and add ons...."as the Brexit deal unravels day-by-day, as the multiple devils emerge.."

"The UK will go naked into the conference chamber."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites