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A good example here of the "Transition Period" where EU/UK "functions" remain unchanged, but "appearances" can change, some subtle, some not so subtle are some ATM's in Brussels.

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BBC NI correspondent using his dick to tweet.

First a bomb it must be a Nationalist/Republican. So Unionists have never let a few off.. interesting.

Then why would a Republican be letting of a bomb to protest a East/West Irish Sea Border???

Then happens with an election tomorrow where Sinn Fein polling. 

The BBC really can't join the dots.

 

 

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6 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

EU should start applying some shitfuckery of their own.

This is a 350-year-old royal charter, which grants "eternal rights" to Belgian trawlermen to fish in British waters, even after Brexit.

Thanks for the history lesson, great find  The shit one learns here is amazing.

The Fisheries privilege is a charter issued by Charles II granting eternal rights to 50 boats from Bruges to fish in British coastal waters. It was considered to be a demonstration of gratitude for his exile there from 1656 to 1659. The charter was forgotten for many years but has regained prominence on three occasions. The exact status in law of the agreement remains to this day open.

In 1666 his earlier guide and friend in Bruges, the knight Arrazola de Oñate was named "exceptional" ambassador to Charles by the Spanish king Philip IV with the intention to negotiate a trade treaty. Although the treaty has been lost, the City of Bruges still possesses a charter granting privileges to the fishermen of Bruges to fish in English waters.

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In 1963, the issue of the Charter of 1666 came to the fore once more when a certain Victor Depaepe wrote to the Belgian Prime Minister, the British Prime-Minister (Harold Macmillan) and the British Queen informing them that he wished to avail himself of the rights granted under the charter of 1666. He informed them that he intended to be arrested so that he could press his claim in the English courts. On 8 July his ship "'King Charles the Second" (Z.264) was accosted by the Royal Navy off the coast of Seaford (East Sussex) The case never came before the courts and according to papers released in 1993 under the 30 year rule it became clear that the British legal team advised the British agriculture minister to avoid a court case because they considered that the Charter was still legally enforceable.

Very interesting and it's all here https://www.revolvy.com/page/Fisheries-Privilege-(1666)?cr=1

 

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2 hours ago, Laser1 said:

granting eternal rights to 50 boats from Bruges to fish in British coastal waters ....

That being said, I think it will be a good time for the Belgian Fisheries registration board or Zeebrugge shipowners that want to get out of the game.  There's money to be made there :lol:

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7 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

So it is avoiding and removing NTB issues, probably not tariffs that is the prime case for having a decent "Implementation Period" post December, even if everything else is sorted. If not the shock to some businesses will be high.

Yep, I agree on that, tariffs can be higher or lower, consumers pay for it. And it will not be shocking in most fields. Dropping and rising of the pound is as bad.
This whole NTB or Non Tariff Measures is a much higher cost. And hidden, and easy to manipulate in a short time. And in a few sectors that are really UK's pride.
UK is going to pay for having less say, whether with EU or China or US.
EU is already thinking of raising more barriers to a level of Chinese and US protection. Germany is investing in domestic EU exports in a switch to be less dependable on the world market. Brexit could lead to a more protectionist EU.

Raab is going to Japan, he will be in for a little shock. Japan has chosen Frankfurt for the future for all financial service EU related stuff. And other then in the UK were they used UK law firms,  an important Japanese law firm is opening offices their. And if you anything of the Japanese business, they have a herd mentality.
More then 1000 Japanese companies in the UK.

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On the fish, so 50 super trawlers from ZeeBrugge will do, nice.

On the other hand the whole UN chapter on fishing rights in shared waters etc is based on how the North Sea has been shared for centuries.
So not to afraid for a closed off UK waters. A few days of blocking fish from the UK being sold in EU will sharpen their minds, Channel Islands experiment already showed that.

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9 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Great TV. Could have Laura K host a nightly BBC update dressed as a mackerel.

Hmmm ...... :wub:

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Week 1 Brexit
EU will back Spain over Gibraltar
UK citizens are no longer allowed to work for EU Chemicals Agency
Ryanair are only recruiting staff with EU passport.
Guernsey fisherman backed down when French refused landing of their fish.
EU student admissions are down.
Some EU countries will not extradite their citizens to the UK, Germany, Austria, Slovenia.
Almost all EU citizens with a steady job will stay in the UK as long as it is profitable.
Japan picked EU for services.

UK citizens in the EU can not move from one country to another, except as tourist.

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53 minutes ago, LeoV said:

...A few days of blocking fish from the UK being sold in EU will sharpen their minds,

And to sharpen those minds further UK fish and other fish being caught by who really gives a fuck being processed in the EU going back to the UK and which the UK prefer to eat over anything else.

Charles Dickens warned them about Brexit...they didn't fucking listen.

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1 hour ago, LeoV said:

Raab is going to Japan, he will be in for a little shock. Japan has chosen Frankfurt for the future for all financial service EU related stuff. And other then in the UK were they used UK law firms,  an important Japanese law firm is opening offices their. And if you anything of the Japanese business, they have a herd mentality.
More then 1000 Japanese companies in the UK.

A little shock??

Just left Australia after finding out huge EU FTA negotiating team arrive in Aust on Monday looking to settle EU Aust FTA.

Japan very informed and organised. Japan was the single largest investor in the UK until now accounting for around one third of foriegn direct investment.

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He will find out they are now heading to the exits.

MSM in UK are keeping a lid on this. Very good thread here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, LeoV said:

Week 1 Brexit
EU will......
Ryanair are only recruiting staff with EU passport....

Leo a good list but that Ryanair one is a beat up if they mean aircrew.

All countries issue aircrew/vessel crew special purpose visas provided they hold a valid passport from somewhere.

I only know that having a long term keen interest in all things aircraft attendant. Like these girls don't even have anywhere to stash a passport.

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8 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Leo a good list but that Ryanair one is a beat up if they mean aircrew.

All countries issue vessel crew special purpose visas provided they hold a valid passport from somewhere.

Yup,  but you have to apply for them every single time and on short haul Continental travel that may be (become) a bit of a pain in the posterior.

Ryanair has dozens of bases across the European Union, and often assigns crew to work from airports in different countries.

British passport holders can travel and work anywhere in the EU until the end of 2020. But after that they will lose the right as freedom of movement ends.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/ryanair-job-cabin-crew-application-manchester-airport-brexit-eu-a9316596.html

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12 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

EU should start applying some shitfuckery of their own.

This is a 350-year-old royal charter, which grants "eternal rights" to Belgian trawlermen to fish in British waters, even after Brexit.

King Charles II signed the “privilege” on October 2, 1666.

Charles signed the treaty to express his gratitude for being granted refuge in Bruges during the Interregnum, having been driven from Britain in 1651 by Oliver Cromwell.

He regained the throne in June 1660 and was determined to thank his sympathisers from the Cromwell years thereafter.

First step to overturing it would be Westminister passing a law cancelling the Charter. Belgium would then drag UK before the International Court in the Hague. Could have protests involving Belgium fisherman dressed up as King Charles steaming up the Thames to Westminister and having a mock execution of Cromwell dressed up like Boris. All going on against a backdrop of boats ramming each other in the Nth Sea. 

Great TV. Could have Laura K host a nightly BBC update dressed as a mackerel.

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Does sound like a dramatic protest, especially appealing as Belgians are not always characterized as the most flamboyant. It would be good from their image to exercise their more theatrical side.

Did this plan come to you after a serving of mushrooms?

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6 minutes ago, KC375 said:

Did this plan come to you after a serving of mushrooms?

More like POME Frits :D

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1 minute ago, Waynemarlow said:

More like POME Frits :D

With moules

(and I like a dash of mayo and dijon for the frites)

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2 hours ago, Laser1 said:

Hmmm ...... :wub:

 

30 minutes ago, KC375 said:

Did this plan come to you after a serving of mushrooms?

No I just notice stuff. 

Like have you ever noticed how Beth Rigby from Sky and the BBC''s Laura K have this fetish about wearing bright red circus tent sized coats. What's with that??

Beth many years working for the FT and Times and a very serious political journalist. However I look at Laura and feel.. well she isn't too bright...despite the bright coloured clothes and looks like she is desperately wanting to break out and do a Sharon Stone impersonation.

Maybe I'm reading more into this than what's there?

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55 minutes ago, Laser1 said:

Yup,  but you have to apply for them every single time and on short haul Continental travel that may be (become) a bit of a pain in the posterior.

Ryanair has dozens of bases across the European Union, and often assigns crew to work from airports in different countries.

British passport holders can travel and work anywhere in the EU until the end of 2020. But after that they will lose the right as freedom of movement ends.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/ryanair-job-cabin-crew-application-manchester-airport-brexit-eu-a9316596.html

Fucking nonsense and Ryanair know it. It is a Brexit beat up.

World wide no applications necessary for transit visas for bona-fide aircraft/vessel crew and totally distinct from actual formal permission for an alien to enter and remain in a territory.

The validity of transit visas are limited to short terms depending on the policy of the country. Five to ten days common.

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Army of UK trade negotiators???

No army and to rub salt into the wound not experienced. Those directionless 40 or so UK negotiators are up against up to 550 EU battle hardened trade veterans.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Army of UK trade negotiators???

No army and to rub salt into the wound not experienced. Those directionless 40 or so UK negotiators are up against up to 550 EU battle hardened trade negotiators.

 

 

Dads army springs to mind. 

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29 minutes ago, mad said:

Dads army springs to mind. 

Nah .....it's so bad I don't even know where to start describing the UK international trade leadership.

 

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59 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Nah .....it's so bad I don't even know where to start describing the UK international trade leadership.

 

With any luck, she’ll be gone in the next reshuffle. 

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

However I look at Laura and feel.............. a lost love, empty, hurt & neglected.

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Fixerated :lol:

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4 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

A little shock??

Just left Australia after finding out huge EU FTA negotiating team arrive in Aust on Monday looking to settle EU Aust FTA.

Japan very informed and organised. Japan was the single largest investor in the UK until now accounting for around one third of foriegn direct investment.

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He will find out they are now heading to the exits.

MSM in UK are keeping a lid on this. Very good thread here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

and maybe the next PMs Jaguar will have a small sticker "made in slovakia"..... 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/the-slovak-jaguar/av-45550812

The Slovak Jaguar

19.09.2018

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The traditional British car brands Jaguar and Land Rover are setting up shop in a factory in Slovakia. The company is now considering moving even more production out of Britain, in case of a no-deal Brexit.

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6 hours ago, Laser1 said:

That being said, I think it will be a good time for the Belgian Fisheries registration board or Zeebrugge shipowners that want to get out of the game.  There's money to be made there :lol:

and as the dutch have been systematically taking over belgian fishing vessels (licenses / fishing rights) ... there might be something in it for our northern neighbours too

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18 hours ago, Fiji Bitter said:

WTF, you started the original thread.

Shame on you...

 

But my original question was about Sailing and Brexit. You guys to off on it.

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54 minutes ago, Meat Wad said:

But my original question was about Sailing and Brexit. You guys to off on it.  

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Separated by a common language??  What was the question again?

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The Tory Telegraph has pulled out all stops here. A more bizarre opening paragraph you will not find.

Those who take this drivel seriously must be in supervised care where the only measure of Brexit success they have is the EU is crumbling. Expect to read that only Germany is left next week. Luckily pay walled beyond the first para.

As the panicked EU goes into Brexit meltdown, Britain finally has the upper hand

"It is becoming desperately clear that the EU has no actual negotiation strategy

The EU is scoffing with panic. This week, its leaders neurotically laughed off the threat of a Parliament shutdown, as bureaucrats slammed their fists over post-Brexit budget cuts. Press officers tuttingly buried an economic report warning that Brexit will rock bloc economies. But they struggled to firefight raging speculation as to who might follow Britain out the door. As rumours rumbled of an Italexit debt crisis, Marine Le Pen thundered that a global Eurosceptic movement has infiltrated Brussels..."

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Over at the Guardian an opening paragraph to catch the eye.

Why Brexit will lead to more red tape, not less

"Putting the lead back in paint, the sewage back on beaches and enhancing the lethality of children’s toys. These are just some of the “opportunities” for deregulation offered in Sajid Javid’s call for the public to propose ways to diverge from the EU rulebook" 

Slashing European regulation is a Brexiteer myth. Markets are global, not local. Any firm that wants to export has to produce to the highest standards, not the lowest. Having said that EU standards are not a ceiling but a minimum.

Brexiteers believe in an overarching economic theory of putting the lead back in paint is the way to put the "great" back in Great Britain. Britain’s economic problems are a failed model that denies investment and active and entrepreneurial activity to raise productivity and unleash innovation.

The tragedy of Brexit is this will not be attended to and the economy will deteriorate further.

 

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5 hours ago, Laser1 said:

Fixerated :lol:

You say I look at Laura and "feel . ............. a lost love, empty, hurt & neglected." I look and see someone who thinks red is power statement and who deserves to be smashed in the face for journalistic bias. That might also fix that lip thing she has going.

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Wow it is full noise shitfuckery from the Telegraph.

Tells people tariffs are levied on the RETAIL price of a good and that consumers will see a 10% saving at the shops from a 10% tariff cut.

Households could save £8.3bn a year from post-Brexit plan to slash tariffs

Using a bag of 10 oranges costing £3.80 and have a 10% tariff as example. So claim eliminating that tariff will save 35p on every bag.

Wrong savings is closer to 5p per bag.

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The Sun supported by Rees Mogg (always big on Brexit tarriff reductions) have already gone down this road before with the Sun having to issue a retraction. Rees Mogg no.

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I call bullshit on this. The Mail (Cole) is Downing St Stenographer making Cummings the story yet again to take the spotlight off Boris & Brexit. 

 

 

 

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Mr. Gallagher, a Republican writes a Wall St Journal "free trade" piece titled; Let the Trans-Atlantic Trading Begin

Putting aside many of the points require a very large shift in trade policy both in the UK and the US, it ignores firstly that there is nearly 4 times the trade between the UK and the EU (and it having a large degree of mutual dependency) compared to that currently between the US and the UK. 

Secondly it’s been claimed in the past that the UK is the EU’s largest single export market for goods to indicate either a EU weakness and or avenue of opportunity post Brexit for the US . This used to be the case if you treated the UK as if it were not in the EU and focus on EU goods exports to non-EU countries. 

However slightly more EU goods exports go to the USA than to the UK, and about 16% of total EU goods exports went to each. The US simply cannot ignore the EU when formulating a FTA with the UK.

There are some big hurdles to overcome none the least the UK can't successfully negotiate a FTA with the US without some core fundamentals being agreed first with the EU and the US will also require those to be settled before it can sign off on a UK FTA.

Mr. Gallagher writes as if the above doesn't exist and for express purpose it seems of combatting Chinese trading interests, not necessarily one of free trade.

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This place (Murrayfield in Edinburgh) later today Scotland take on England in 6 Nations Rugby. Could be a very bruising encounter.

 

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11 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

This place (Murrayfield in Edinburgh) later today Scotland take on England in 6 Nations Rugby. Could be a very bruising encounter.

 

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The weather is shite!!

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4 minutes ago, mad said:

The weather is shite!!

So was the game....

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1 minute ago, cms said:

So was the game....

Sshhhhhh, I’m watching on catchup!!

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1 minute ago, mad said:

Sshhhhhh, I’m watching on catchup!!

Masochist.... Wind, rain, dropped balls, hooked, sliced, under or over done kicks. Messy but I guess the winning side just edged it....

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12 minutes ago, cms said:

Masochist.... Wind, rain, dropped balls, hooked, sliced, under or over done kicks. Messy but I guess the winning side just edged it....

I’m happy with the result. :P

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28 minutes ago, mad said:

I’m happy with the result. :P

Bastard....

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You would only get this in Ireland. Some parts Donegal reporting 70% turnout and people lining up in the wind rain after 9pm as Storm Clara bears down. Exit poll due out soon.

 

 

 

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Holy fuck

FG + FF less than 50%?

However FF and FG over 80 candidates each, compared to just 42 for SF. So SF% 22% won't translate into seats. Also exit polls with proportional voting less acurate.

Regardless the Shinners have upset the apple cart big time so despite actual result instability will rein and maybe back to the ballot box this year.

 

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6 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Holy fuck

FG + FF less than 50%?

However FF and FG over 80 candidates each, compared to just 42 for SF. So SF% 22% won't translate into seats. Also exit polls with proportional voting less acurate.

 

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Perfect, a little more uncertainty in the region. 

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First preference tally only.

When you vote in an election in Ireland, you are asked to give your vote in order of preference. This is because Ireland uses an electoral system called proportional representation with a single transferrable vote (PR-STV, or PR for short).

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3 minutes ago, LeoV said:

First round only.

Trump, Brexit, Johnson and his cronies......nothing would surprise me any more. 

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40 minutes ago, mad said:

Perfect, a little more uncertainty in the region. 

Actually if history a guide it shows some certainty that now is a "prelude" to reunification but reunification itself a lot of WIP.

I guess best result for SF since the 1918 UK General Election. Irish Parliamentary Party was murdered with SF securing 70% seats.

Exit polls tonight shows Sinn Féin only won 12% of over 65s versus around 30% for FG and FF. The unification tide is rising as memories of SF the IRA's parliamentry wing/Troubles fade with age.

Back to 1918 the prelude took a while to take hold with the war of independence, the Irish Free State/Partition and then Nationalist split and civil war. SF Michael Collins was killed leaving FF's Éamon de Valera to rule the roost then FG kicked off in the 1930's to give Ireland it's 2 party flavour through to today.

1918 Election Result

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SF will kick themselves not running more candidates. They missed seeing their own tide rising, (also FF/GG's falling).

Mood of the parties.

 

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1 hour ago, LeoV said:

First preference tally only.

With SF only running 42 seats their surplus finding a home and FG and FF around 80 each makes this a long count. Sligo for example and regional.

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47 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Actually if history a guide it shows some certainty that now is a "prelude" to reunification but reunification itself a lot of WIP.

I guess best result for SF since the 1918 UK General Election.

...and 1918 I think last time election held on a Saturday.

PS. To show how significant this is in the 1997 general election Sinn Féin only secured 2.5% of the vote and got elected only one TD. SF party membership is now going to lift off.

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Lots of irony here. It was Adams (from NI)  resignation as leader popular as he was, but Mary Lou from Dublin drawing a line under the past that has helped generate this result. Then even her under a lot of pressure last year with SF vote dropping in NI council elections and only treading water in Westminister count. McGuinness would be having a good old chuckle upstairs.

 

 

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And back across on the big island the yellow press keep redefining "gone fucking bonkers," in fact "beyond fucking stupid."

So "lawful residents" forced to apply to stay in their own homes makes Britain "open and welcoming"!!!!

Lying fuckers are trying to bury what they said in 2016 and now white-washing (pun intended) today's policy what is simply another Windrush policy. Automatically making those lawful become unlawful and once they notify they either become lawful or are remain unlawful and are deported. 

"The news that over three million of an estimated 3.4 million EU nationals living in the United Kingdom have applied for settled status demonstrates what we Leavers have said all along: Brexit was never a xenophobic project. We should celebrate that more than 80 per cent of those eligible have applied to live here permanently. 

It is an enormous vote of confidence in the vision of an outward looking, global-minded country projected by the Prime Minister during and ever since the referendum campaign, and reinforced by his chief lieutenants, Michael Gove and Dominic Cummings..."

The latest EU settlement figures explode the myth of Britain as a xenophobic island

 

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The hits keep coming.

Sinn Féin now on 26% in Connacht Ulster region.  It was on 20% in initial exit poll and low % change. Now matches/exceeds the other 3 regions. That now puts SF in the lead overall by close to 1% if other regions remain unchanged.

 

 

 

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Except or over 65's Sinn Fein topped every age group. 32% of 18-24s voted Sinn Féin - more than FF and FG combined. One thing is certain a 2nd election and more SF candidates and kiss FF and FG goodbye.

I don't know enough about mechanics but my guess some crazy Dáil offers are going to be coming SF's way now from FF and FG to stabilise Government and avoid that 2nd poll prospect? SF on other hand refuse and play a longer game?

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This book titled "Say Nothing" I can recommend as a really good read as it one of the very few that truly digs in and trys to understand those Republicans who were involved in the front line of the Troubles without trying to romanticise it. 

This is an Australian interview with the Author just yesterday so before Ireland went to the polls, so some comments instructive, particularly about Gerry Adams who he regards as Trump like but with a reason.

ABC - Interview Patrick Radden Keefe - 8 February 2020

Interview is a good synopsis of the book but towards the end he makes some comments about reunification and Brexit. He said one telling thing that relates to the election result yesterday and support for Sinn Fein by all but the older demographic and especially the young.

Apparently the book sold opposite to expectations. Poor in GB and NI but very well in the US and the Republic. He said young readers in the Republic especially so looking to enquire further into a troubled history and in doing so it dispelled many myths for those living south of the border.

The election result therefore should not come as a surprise to anyone who studies book sales data as a hobby.

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The same Farmers/National Farmers Union who convinced their constituents to vote Leave not one but twice, dismissed warnings as Project Fear, but now starting to squeal like stuck pigs.

British farmers fear Boris Johnson will surrender UK food standards to Trump in talks with 'fearsome' US negotiators

Same people who now write to the PM saying they have changed their mind and don't want current standards to change after campaigning for them to be changed using Brexit.

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And now the rich and not so rich elderly Tory voters. How could they have possibly expected this taxation shitfuckery to happen when they willingly voted for a party whose election manifesto omitted to say where the extra money was coming from - and despite them being warned??

Half the country must be feeling really, really sorry for these people. 

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If you fancy yourself as a media detective this is a good read. It starts from the time of the referendum, but came to a head last week when the media assembled at #10 for a public servant (not Ministerial or #10) briefing. They then all walked out in sympathy for some colleagues from rival publications being selected so they could be thrown out. 

Divide And Disrupt: Inside Number 10's War Against The Media On Multiple Fronts

Key points:

- At the height of the referendum the Cummings orchestrated Vote Leave campaign threatened the media with “consequences for its future” via email after ITV chose Farage to represent Brexiteers during its televised debate, rather than Vote Leave's  Boris Johnson or Michael Gove. This email rant effectively put the media on notice that if Cummings ever got into government, he would be seeking revenge.

- The Mirror was barred from the Tories’ election battle bus. Channel 4 were black-balled after installing an ice sculpture of Johnson for the environment debate during the election campaign when Johnson cancelled.

- Johnson has not forgotten that Channel 4 News’ editor Ben de Pear once liked a tweet calling Johnson a “cunt”.

- Now in Downing Street, Number 10 is  making good on that threat.

- No10 has moved their decades-old briefings from Parliament to Downing Street to take control on their own turf. Complaints have fallen on deaf ears.

- One Govt Dept temporarily removed the Mirror from its press release list.

- Johnson is determined to influence the next BBC DG appointment, potentially blocking a liberal-centrist and endorsing a right wing conservative candidate. Aka BBC management then reel in Radio 4 and some other BBC programs they currently boycott.

- But some in Johnson's government strongly oppose #10's strategy (read Cummings & Media Advisor Cain) and think they are creating unnecessary enemies and starting fights they will never win.

- Departmental media aides (whose job it is to paint their Ministers in a good light) complain their lives have been “made impossible.” Told not to accept lunches from journalists and speak to the media, yet they see anonymous quotes from Number 10 in the newspapers every day.

- Johnson's regular Facebook “People’s PMQs” session which some Tory MP's describe as: “fucking shit." Social media broadcasts involving no scrutiny, just spin.

-  No10 privately admit Brexit night decision to film PM's address themselves backfired when both the BBC and ITV then refused to run it.

- Ex-spad: “What it comes down to is, is this helping the PM or hurting him. He is certainly up for a fight on the major media issues affecting the country, but there comes a point where you have to ask if some of this is causing more harm than good.”

- Big picture view of the writer is that Johnson is backing what his senior team see as a culture war against elements of the British media establishment that they perceive have not only opposed their more right wing politics for the last three-and-a-half years, but for decades.

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My take is #10 are firstly paranoid. Since Johnson's started running last June he has been given relatively speaking a honeymoon rails-run by the media. Labour and Corbyn on the other hand got murdered by comparison. The number of Ofcom complaints of Govt biased reporting underpin that. 

Secondly they know that what they are selling on Brexit is largely shit and without a compliant media at some point the public is going to awake to the fact it is shit.

Some in the media it seem are now drawing a line in the sand. Some about being "used" by #10 for special briefings to often "frame" or distract from uncomfortable Brexit news, others about being "abused" by #10 by being excluded. Bottom line however is a few think a few senior colleagues are being precious by accusing No10 of Trump tactics.

For example it is two-faced shitfuckery of the BBC's Laura K and ITV's Robert Preston to walk out of #10 last week in sympathy, when it is their bias arising from "trading independence for access" that has given #10 the belief they can get away with this shit. Their position as broadcasters who generate the most political influence, makes their conduct even more acute.  Interestingly both of them who tweet a fly crawling up the wall, have not said anything about last week's walkout. You only do that thinking you will be offending #10 fearfull your access will be diminished.

So they can say whatever they like, but while the UK media remain as a whole "enablers", save for the odd renegade, by being complacent and or compliant, then they are complicent in assisting a vindictive Government remove transparency and accountability. Pure and simple.

The cry of "bringing back democracy" is now a sad joke on the very people who thought that's what they voted for.

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RoI voters voted according to domestic issues not Brexit (1% importance) despite the economic impact of Brexit impacting upon the Republic more that anyone else, other than the UK, and so require a capable RoI Government to combat that impact domestically.

That seems to indicate the Irish voter is infinitely smarter than their English (but not Scot or Welsh) cousins who just voted to Get Brexit Done even though they were shooting themselves in the foot domestically.

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The Irish demographic voting differences are like chalk and cheese.

Exit poll says across every voter 51% of voters thought Fianna Fáil & Fine Gael were wrong to rule out going into coalition with Sinn Fein. Yet.

18 - 24 age group: 68% wrong & 30% right.

65+ age group: 38% wrong & 58% right.

FF and FG are now really starting to piss off everyone but pensioners, but if it wasn't for SF IRA connection the pensioners would also abandon FF and FG.

People are speaking of "Mary Lou's Monsoon." Sounds very Pulp Fiction/Kill Bill/Tarantino biblical. 

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8 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Except or over 65's Sinn Fein topped every age group. 32% of 18-24s voted Sinn Féin - more than FF and FG combined. One thing is certain a 2nd election and more SF candidates and kiss FF and FG goodbye.

I don't know enough about mechanics but my guess some crazy Dáil offers are going to be coming SF's way now from FF and FG to stabilise Government and avoid that 2nd poll prospect? SF on other hand refuse and play a longer game?

Agree on the 2nd election point. SF are highly organised and could, just possibly, with more candidates and the grass-roots organisation they have, find themselves in power. After the celebrations, they's have to actually make good on their unicorn promises. Oh Lordy, watch them squirm and explain how they can't because it's the previous shower's fault.

Fuck me, and I know I'm in the older cohort, but the idea of SF as any part of a government frightens me.

For safety, FF and FG should just forget about their differences, which, as far as I can tell, are

a) we're not you, and

b) something that happened 100 years ago

and join the two parties together.

 

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11 minutes ago, Black Sox said:

Fuck me, and I know I'm in the older cohort, but the idea of SF as any part of a government frightens me.

To clarify. Mate I'm ancient, regard myself as Liberal and have never voted Labour in my life, but park the unification bit, SF's  domestic economic policy on paper would scare the shit out of me. People pissed off and risk and reward thing happening there. The Irish also don't mind a punt.

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16 minutes ago, Black Sox said:

Agree on the 2nd election point. SF are highly organised and could, just possibly, with more candidates and the grass-roots organisation they have, find themselves in power. After the celebrations, they's have to actually make good on their unicorn promises. Oh Lordy, watch them squirm and explain how they can't because it's the previous shower's fault.

Fuck me, and I know I'm in the older cohort, but the idea of SF as any part of a government frightens me.

For safety, FF and FG should just forget about their differences, which, as far as I can tell, are

a) we're not you, and

b) something that happened 100 years ago

and join the two parties together.

 

FF and FG are two cheeks of the same arse, and SF might well be the dung emitted from said arse ..
 

 

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30 minutes ago, Black Sox said:

For safety, FF and FG should just forget about their differences, which, as far as I can tell, are

a) we're not you, and

b) something that happened 100 years ago

and join the two parties together.

To be exact a 90 year nominal difference but one in 90 years FF & FG have never been able to bridge. Saturday is the first time in 90 years they have been forced to rethink that difference.

Remember Shinners only got their first seat in the Dáil 23 years ago at time of the GFA, post FF followed by FG in unison putting SF to the sword nearly a century ago making them irrelevant in the south politically.

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21 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

FF and FG are two cheeks of the same arse, and SF might well be the dung emitted from said arse ..
 

Looks like those two cheeks are now covered in shit and having to admit they underestimated the power of shit.

 

 

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7 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

The same Farmers/National Farmers Union who convinced their constituents to vote Leave not one but twice, dismissed warnings as Project Fear, but now starting to squeal like stuck pigs.

British farmers fear Boris Johnson will surrender UK food standards to Trump in talks with 'fearsome' US negotiators

Same people who now write to the PM saying they have changed their mind and don't want current standards to change after campaigning for them to be changed using Brexit.

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And now the rich and not so rich elderly Tory voters. How could they have possibly expected this taxation shitfuckery to happen when they willingly voted for a party whose election manifesto omitted to say where the extra money was coming from - and despite them being warned??

Half the country must be feeling really, really sorry for these people. 

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I will take great pleasure in watching the Tory faithful waking up, realising they’ve been duped and now paying for it. 

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4 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

..........

-Ex-spad: “What it comes down to is, is this helping the PM or hurting him. He is certainly up for a fight on the major media issues affecting the country, but   there comes a point where you have to ask if some of this is  causing more harm than good.".....

...So they can say whatever they like, but while the UK media remain as a whole "enablers", save for the odd renegade, by being complacent and or compliant, then they are complicent in assisting a vindictive Government remove transparency and accountability. Pure and simple.

Fell of my fucking chair. UK MSM (here the BBC) are now writing the truth about UK fishing.

The sceptic in me says the Government are behind this BBC piece facing the reality of UN/International Treaty they are a party to and quota sell offs (against EU advice) they now have to row back from headlines they have been promoting for 4 years and promoted only a week or so ago. 

BBC - boatloads of home truths, including the fact that much of the UK quota was sold off to foreign firms - nothing to do with the EU, or with Brexit.

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Fell of my fucking chair. UK MSM (here the BBC) are now writing the truth about UK fishing.

The sceptic in me says the Government are behind this BBC piece facing the reality of UN/International Treaty they are a party to and quota sell offs (against EU advice) they now have to row back from headlines they have been promoting for 4 years and promoted only a week or so ago. 

BBC - boatloads of home truths, including the fact that much of the UK quota was sold off to foreign firms - nothing to do with the EU, or with Brexit.

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Jack, that link leads somewhere else. 

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2 hours ago, cms said:

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Jack must be glued to the rugby. Does he have French or Italian blood, loyalties or pillow memories?

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In England, for example, more than half the quota is in foreign hands.

From the linked article !!

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Peter Foster;
Last Friday EU UK talks;

it was a very rocky encounter; fundamental differences of approach exposed
Per EU source: “We need a mechanism where if the UK transgresses in an area where it is strong, and believes it can absorb the impact of a sanction, then the EU can take proportionate, reciprocal action in a sector that is equally important to the UK - or vice-versa.

British side is understood to have been adamant that it wants only a set of separate, basic agreements - from trade to security, fish to financial services - with each one having its own separate governance mechanism and no cross-cutting punishments

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Good place to start, trust is low. If they can not past this hurdle, lets go WTO.

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Exit polls have undercooked SF result. 

Looks like FF already opening door to SF for coalition with egg on face. SF won't be taking junior position with this result. Rotating Taoiseach??

SF surplus might be getting more smaller/independents parties up than first thought.

 

 

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5 hours ago, mad said:

Jack, that link leads somewhere else. 

Sorry clipboard or operator malfunction?

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Fell of my fucking chair. UK MSM (here the BBC) are now writing the truth about UK fishing.

The sceptic in me says the Government are behind this BBC piece facing the reality of UN/International Treaty they are a party to and quota sell offs (against EU advice) they now have to row back from headlines they have been promoting for 4 years and promoted only a week or so ago. 

BBC - boatloads of home truths, including the fact that much of the UK quota was sold off to foreign firms - nothing to do with the EU, or with Brexit.

 

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Sinn Féin O' Laoghaire taken both Fianna Fáil leader Micheal Martin and FG's Tánaiste Simon Coventry out at first cut with 3,000 spare.

And to top it off Sinn Fėin’s Paul Donnelly taken out the Taoiseach Leo Varadkar on first count with around 3,500 spare.

Sinn Féin President Mary Lou McDonald returned with 4,000 surplus.

Bloody Sunday at the tally room.

 

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Truss's department deleted this desperate tweet. But still on website Win for British farm as cabbages allowed into Malaysia???

The reason no doubt being the size of this trumpet. The UK's entire export of cabbages, cauliflowers and kale in 2018 was worth only £13.7 million. Not billion..million.

By comparison EU's biggest exporter Spain at $557 million.

The real punchline.....the UK is the world's 4th largest importer of cabbages ($243m), the majority of that coming from Spain and the Netherlands. Cabbage just one commodity comprising over 40% of UK food consumption that is imported. Cracker food security policy to Brexit upon.

One more punchline. Those UK cabbages appear to be being exported under a EU/Malaysia 0% tarriff deal Malaysia agreed to roll over in UK's favour hence the delay. That rollover will cease on 31 December and a 90% tarriff kick in.

I can see the UK's Department for International Trade going gang busters in this trade negotiation stuff.

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Yep ECJ, in extremis any business working with a bank which is doing business with unfair* state aid receiving manufacturer  can be blocked :)
* Unfair deemed unilateral by the EU.

N10 wants to break all ties to the EU, nr 11 says you need trade with EU for the money to be able to break all ties. Catch 22.
They have now less then 20 weeks to work something out.
But the risk is their end goal is so limited that there is no difference between No deal and a Deal.

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SF absolutly trouncing the others on the 1st vote and leading the share of the vote. The only thing thatll hold them back will be running out of candidates.

FF and FG all banging on about the need for a stable government.

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Truss's department deleted this desperate tweet. But still on website Win for British farm as cabbages allowed into Malaysia???

The reason no doubt being the size of this trumpet. The UK's entire export of cabbages, cauliflowers and kale in 2018 was worth only £13.7 million. Not billion..million.

By comparison EU's biggest exporter Spain at $557 million.

The real punchline.....the UK is the world's 4th largest importer of cabbages ($243m), the majority of that coming from Spain and the Netherlands. Cabbage just one commodity comprising over 40% of UK food consumption that is imported. Cracker food security policy to Brexit upon.

One more punchline. Those UK cabbages appear to be being exported under a EU/Malaysia 0% tarriff deal Malaysia agreed to roll over in UK's favour hence the delay. That rollover will cease on 31 December and a 90% tarriff kick in.

I can see the UK's Department for International Trade going gang busters in this trade negotiation stuff.

Statista - Cabbages and Cauliflowers - 2018

OEC Cabbages

EU/Malaysia Cabbages - Tarriffs

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6 hours ago, mad said:

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What is it with Baldrick and fucking vegetables?

I know Europe is the world's Turnip capital. It accounts for over 60% world exports (Netherlands#1 the Italy #3) and also nearly 70% of world imports (Germany #1 and the UK#3).

The humble turnip seed was in fact the subject of one of the first tarriffs applied by the US against cheap European producers in the 1800's.

Like a lot of Agri Foods the UK is a net importer of turnips. Ranks 3rd in the world for importers at £56 million. However the UK turnip exports are valued at £19 million so there is a 3:1 two way turnip trade ratio.

From 1 January 2021 UK turnip exports to the EU will be the subject 13.60% EU tarriff with no FTA. For imports the UK import tarriff is currently unknown.

Agrifoods worldwide attract the highest protection/highest tarriffs and the EU is not alone. So sourcing alternative markets for both import and export outside the EU will be challenging. For instance US turnip tariff is 14.6%.

The amount of independency of two way Agri-food trade between the EU and UK without a FTA is going to be be very disruptive and challenging to solve.

Baldrick may need to find a new greengrocer.

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- Counting as at midnight. 95 seats still to be filled of the 160. 80 the majority.

- FG's Tánaiste Simon Coveney got elected on the 8th count and Taoiseach Leo Varadkar on 4th count. 2nd count is normally automatic resignation territory but they won't.

- Maps of 1st preference votes. SF widespread but weighted in Dublin, Cork and the North. FF in line with its small farmers, industrial workers, and rural communities. FG fell in a heap in more urban area where its usual base of professional and middle-class voters lie. Expect to Varadkar take a lot of heat losing its base.

- Independents favour south/central where all but one of the 5 elected TDs so far are named Michael including a Michael Collins to confuse, the 5th is a Sean.

- Irish Times political commentator prediction is this but of 95 seats still to be filled around 50 in the balance so don't take too seriously.

 FF 47, SF37, FG 35, GP 9, LP 6, Soc Dems 5, SPBP 4, Others 17. 80 the majority.

- Sinn Fein on track to get 37 of its 42 candidates elected which is unheard of. If SF had stood more candidates maybe another 10 seats and so missed opportunity to rule with minor party support.

- FF going girls on pre-election  promise not to get into bed with SF. FG staring FF down as falls short of majority with SF. A coalition of two parties SF and FG apposed to the Anglo Irish Treaty in its Centenary has a better ring to it than FG in agreement with Treaty getting a party dress. FF's spending on health, housing and social welfare centralist but closer to lefty SF. 

- SF don't want to dance with either FF and FG and encourage instability for a 2nd Election?

- A Government with SF bolted on or simply wide electoral support will put a brighter US spotlight on any UK/EU FTA dealings complying with the Good Friday Agreement. Any Republic (incl of SF) and UK dealings will be more tense than that involving Varadkar.

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For those in UK (not available outside) this series looks very cool.

Channel 5 - Walking Britain's Lost Railways

PS. Here is a UTuber of a similiar program "Lost Railways Somerset & Dorset

You will recall Johnson's plan to unwind the 1960's Beeching Cuts but it seems with only enough money to open around 50 mile at best of the 4,500 mile and 2,000 stations closed back then.

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This bizzare statement is from a NI Unionist Jim Allister (TUV) the MLA for North Antrim in Stormont. Founding member of DUP with Paisley, resigned twice. A Barrister so no redneck.

He is saying those who facilitated Sinn Fein into Stormont incl DUP have aided in advancing reunification. Furthermore Republic voters have looked north and seen that Sinn Fein have excelled so the DUP are in part to blame for their election success by giving them credibility.

I think it fair to say he thinks the Good Friday Agreement sucks dogs balls and so don't think he will be running around looking to prosecute a cohesive Irish society. 

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On 2/9/2020 at 4:54 AM, mad said:

I’m happy with the result. :P

Just watched rerun. Horrible conditions and horrible footy. Ireland are spanking it and a home game this week for the whites at Twickers I see. Interesting if Sth Africa get to join 6 Nations next year.

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