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10 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:
31 minutes ago, LeoV said:

And for the ones who think the UK do not listen to Singham;
The lords do. And think he is a trade expert... WTF.

Can someone quote this post of mine for Leo (has me on ignore)...my present to him...it will make his day :lol:

2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Singham once described as the Brains of Brexit and who used to advise Fox is now a parasite feeding off Brexit and is bovine stupid.

He wrote a paper in Sept 2018 titled "Plan A+ - Creating a prosperous post-Brexit UK"  backed by..

 

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32 minutes ago, hump101 said:

How can Whitty/Vallance be silent???

Because they are complicit.

Fuck knows!  Its impossible to tell.

Hopefully they're backing up everything that's been said and advised and getting ready to sink the fuckers.......... yeah, i'm being optimistic.

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1 hour ago, cms said:

Statistics body has again written complaining about Hancock's misleading figures.

No point complaining, they need to actually do something.

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58 minutes ago, hump101 said:

How can Whitty/Vallance be silent???

Because they are complicit.

Like in most Democracies the ONS is not a Govt Dept but independent and work to an international Code of Practise. Protocol only allows Norgrove to communicate with relevant Ministers not the bureaucracy.

Without that I'm sure he would have also ripped Whitty and Vallance new arseholes too. The closest he got to them was 3rd and 4th last para of his letter to Hancock.

Normally Hancock having his arsehole ripped by open public letter and over the phone would now be making those two unable to hold a fart in for at least a year. However what will probably occur is the 3 of them will have a beer telling each other how brilliant they are at burying the truth and that Norgrove was a cunt for calling them out.

Norgrove in front of an Inquiry...it will be fun to watch their demeanour then. 

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28 minutes ago, mad said:

Hopefully they're backing up everything that's been said and advised and getting ready to sink the fuckers.......... yeah, i'm being optimistic.

Sink the fuckers ....bit early to be drinking mate :lol:

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Fuck this lot are brilliant......like after Cummings you would expect them now to be very circumspect if not busting their arses to show there is not one rule for them and another for everyone else.

BTW this is also after telling everyone they can only bang each other outdoors if they don't live together...so strict are the rules.

The Leader of the House, the Edwardian Pencil just got up and said: "MPs won’t have to self-isolate if another gets Coronavirus because they are all social distancing in the House." WTF. :o

Is it a suicide pact??? Insurance just in case there is a outbreak on the blue benches, the sick can still vote? Even those on ventilators? :lol:

Is there another saying other than "you can't make this shit up"??

PS. Remember YouGov poll...59% Tory Voters - 70% General Pop think Cummings made messaging harder. Rees Mogg has increased that by how much?

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On 5/31/2020 at 6:13 AM, jack_sparrow said:

...SAGE 15 minutes: Coronavirus (COVID-19) response, Friday 13 March 2020

UK testing
33. Community testing is ending today – which will increase the pace of testing (and  delivery of results) for intensive care units, hospital admissions, targeted contact tracing for suspected clusters of cases and healthcare workers. This includes faster  confirmation of negative results....

^^^^^^^ Community Testing was ended on 13 March. (decision reversed and was ramped up on 16 March )

Slowly but surely the truth oozes out.

On or before Friday 13th March Johnson told Italy's President Conti;

"...he wants herd immunity."

 

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Questions asked "why the government's daily figures now omit figures for how many people are being tested - not clear how often people are tested more than once and therefore counted as multiple tests." 

This is the second scathing criticism from the UK Statistics Authority, that Health Secretary Matt Hancock has received.

Well that letter from the ONS to Hancock complaining about the omission of figures for how many people are being tested daily was wasted ink.

Just released.

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Didn't mention that week ending 22 May more deaths in "private homes" than "care homes."

And compared to using all of the data, not just those tested positive.

BOTH Chris Giles from FT and the Institute & Faculty of Actuaries reckon total UK excess deaths are now around 64,500.

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Matt Hancock has described the NHS test and trace system as “successful”, but has not provided figures on the number of people "contacted." Why???? 

Leaked to Channel 4

4 Days Thursday to Sunday

- 4,456 confirmed Covid-19 cases were reported.

- Of those, 1,831 had self-registered.

- Between them, they provided 4,634 contacts – of which only 1,749 have been contacted.

- Total number of confirmed cases reported to NHS Test and Trace is significantly lower than the known rate of infection.

- Less than 2,000 contacts over 4 days despite supposedly having 25,000 Tracers to contact people.

A “world-beating” system Johnson said.

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That's it. The NI Assembly has passed a motion calling for a transition extension until we get through the COVID crisis. For the past 3 years the UK Govenrment said it wanted to listen to NI's representatives. We've spoken - over to them.
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Scots asking the same.
And both not at Brexit negotiations table.

A great Union.
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3 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Sink the fuckers ....bit early to be drinking mate :lol:

Always after 6, it may be a pint of GnT though. ;)

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12 minutes ago, LeoV said:
 
That's it. The NI Assembly has passed a motion calling for a transition extension until we get through the COVID crisis.

And the UK's "fresh" position on the Irish Protocol is to encourage "unity" at Stormont in accord with the GFA. :lol:

Barnier will be grinning.

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3 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

The Leader of the House, the Edwardian Pencil just got up and said: "MPs won’t have to self-isolate if another gets Coronavirus because they are all social distancing in the House." WTF. :o

That’s the best news I’ve heard all day. :ph34r:
 

In the words of our not always popular to some retired US airforce poster. It’s time to burn this bitch down. 

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Another Tory nugget;
UK wants to end FOM, right ? Except they ask for exception for financial services. Any Tory that floats up in the party can easily find a tie with an UK company anywhere in the EU. So FOM for them.

A reaction from one EU source; cockroaches.

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1 minute ago, mad said:

That’s the best news I’ve heard all day. :ph34r:

It appears they are worried that unless there in person they can't be whipped for things contentious. If 40 Tories get struck down they might be in a spot of bother.

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2 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

It appears they are worried that unless there in person they can't be whipped for things contentious. If 40 Tories get struck down they might be in a spot of bother.

Do I or most of the country look like we give a fuck?

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

It appears they are worried that unless there in person they can't be whipped for things contentious. If 40 Tories get struck down they might be in a spot of bother.

Fucks sake, have any of them got any balls. 
As my grandfather used to say, if they told you to jump off a cliff, would you?? 

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2 hours ago, mad said:

Do I or most of the country look like we give a fuck?

well with your new avitar the question might be do you give pluck

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20 minutes ago, KC375 said:

well with your new avitar the question might be do you give pluck

Look a little closer, it’s not what you think it is. 

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2 hours ago, mad said:

Look a little closer, it’s not what you think it is. 

I recognize it as a plague mask...I know my black death....put nice smelling stuff in it so you don't get overwhelmed by the stench

But is also looks like a bird mask.

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11 hours ago, mad said:

That tension between CMO's and Downing St is not what it appears.

Furthermore I'm calling that a "dead cat" delivered to the Guardian to give the impression the Govt are on a tight leash.

The Government and Chief Medical Officers (CMO's) don't set the "alert level" (and have no power of veto) that is the job of the Joint Biosecurity Centre (JBC)*** 

*** Joint Biosecurity Centre (JBC) - set up by Home Office counter-terrorism specialist Tom Hurd, on similar lines to the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre (JTAC) - will identify changes in infection rates, using testing, environmental and workplace data, and advise accordingly.

The Government make the final decision on easing or tightening restrictions yes, but not the setting of the Alert Level.

So ironically a piece of CoVid response  bureaucracy the Govt set up last month is actually now preventing them from doing what they really want to do. They can ease restrictions yes, but can't fuck with the Alert Level. 

Govt next response if Alert Level Doesn't Drop??

Watch if Alert Level suddenly dissappers (or inputs are modified, Hurd is from Home Office!!!) just like true mortality and persons tested has and contact/trace statistics that haven't yet appeared?? 

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PS.^^^^^

58 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Govt next response if Alert Level Doesn't Drop??

Watch if Alert Level suddenly dissappers (or inputs are modified, Hurd is from Home Office!!!) just like true mortality and persons tested has and contact/trace statistics that haven't yet appeared?? 

Those inputs that "coincidently" are not transparent and exactly as outlined in the Chief of ONS letter of rebuke to Hancock.

Gaslighting galore is happening here over lock-down lifting to save economy and save Brexit at a cost to human life.

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44 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Furthermore I'm calling that a "dead cat" delivered to the Guardian to give the impression the Govt are on a tight leash.

Fucks knows how you read it as that?! 
This government is completely off the leash, running around and shitting everywhere. 

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9 minutes ago, mad said:

Fucks knows how you read it as that?! 
This government is completely off the leash, running around and shitting everywhere. 

Absolutely...hence the word "impression" they are not off the leash and Scientists have them under control. 

These people are very good at this "framing" business, I will give them that.

PS. In addition to daily briefings no longer being daily as cancelled on weekends, it was also announced Johnson will only appear once a week.

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A Bump is in order.

On 5/29/2020 at 11:08 PM, jack_sparrow said:

 

             "THE HIDDEN HIGHWAY TO BREXIT"

             - How The UK Was Gaslit & Framed -

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Trees and Government promises always seem to die.

An oak tree gifted by the French and planted by Trump and Macron at the White House this time last year to symbolize French-American friendship died weeks later, along with the friendship.

Johnson’s pledged during the election to plant 30 million trees a year costing £640m (Lib Dems then pledged 60 million in that tree bidding war) noting the Times estimated it could cost taxpayers £15bn over three decades, with most of the cash going to big landowners and farmers. No one seemed to mind at the ballot box.

Macron did replace his White House tree, my guess not one of Boris's trees has been planted yet. The one in the pic I wonder how it is going transplanted in the dead of winter?

Maybe Boris will pledge to plant a NHS tree for everyone who has died, after all that is not even 100,000 trees let alone 30 million. The symbolism of them potentialy dieing twice at his hand would be lost on him.

Digging and dieing or non-dieing-digging the 31 October ditch, digging holes for trees and the Tory shitfuckery of the election now feels like years ago.

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14 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

..Leaked to Channel 4

4 Days Thursday to Sunday 31st May

- 4,456 confirmed Covid-19 cases..

- Between them, they provided 4,634 contacts – of which only 1,749 have been contacted.

- Less than 2,000 contacts over 4 days despite supposedly having 25,000 Tracers to contact people.

A “world-beating” system Johnson said.

They won't even release the Isle of Wight trial data which started a month ago, other than to say here 60% of pop there uploaded the APP. There is anecdotal evidence a lot of people uploaded then removed.

Who is going to trust this shambolic lot with both their health and personal data when this APP rolls out???

Trust going down the shitter, dead before it's even started which will force them to make APP upload compulsory....then adding further drama.

 
As for people tested, data from last Thursday or even yesterday in light of ONS rebuke...no guessing required.
 

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The "quote of day" from many was from yesterday's Presser and belonging to Handoncock.

He said he had been "really struck" by the "clear difference" in the proportion of people dying with coronavirus who are from black and ethnic minority backgrounds, then declaring; "Black lives matter."

BTW that difference he noticed is DOUBLE.

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20 hours ago, LeoV said:

And for the ones who think the UK do not listen to Singham;
The lords do. And think he is a trade expert... WTF.

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/447/eu-services-subcommittee/news/146703/trade-experts-questioned-on-ukeu-relationship-on-professional-and-business-services/

Witnesses

Thursday 4 June 2020 at 10.00am

  • Sally Jones, Partner, Trade Strategy, EY LLP
  • Sam Lowe, Senior Research Fellow, Centre for European Reform
  • Shanker Singham, Chief Executive Officer, Competere Ltd and Academic Fellow, Institute of Economic Affairs

I followed Lowe, and he is kind of in the middle,soft Brexiteer. In his latest piece over the need for EU and UK to work together in the medical field was lacking on substance.
Never ever mentioned the role the UK plays in importing from outside the EU and exporting it to the EU... which Swiss will take over. Only looked at numbers and not at trends and alternatives.
https://www.cer.eu/publications/archive/bulletin-article/2020/securing-europes-medical-supply-chains-against-future

Singham is US.

Jones never ever worked on the EU side of trade, staunch UK view.

So for fairness an EU minded and an independent source to balance all ? Nope, that is not how the UK works.

Bump for Lord's Committee Trade Hearing for tomorrow Thursday which should be interesting and this just out from Sam Lowe who is at this hearing.

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^^^^^^^ My posts upthread linking Gaslighting of lock-down lifting, the economy and survival of Brexit.

PMQ's today...don't know if Starmer has heard news from Sunderland this morning. Is he prepared to go near Brexit??

This news from Nissan has always been feared/expected since the referendum, but now it's a certainty.

- On the BBC Nissan’s global chief operating officer Ashwani Gupta warned the company would not be able to stand by its commitment to the Sunderland plant if the UK left the European Union without a trade deal that enabled tariff-free EU access.

THEN

- Ironically 2 hours later Sunderland City Council announce it is facing a shortfall of nearly £24 million this year due to pressures stemming from the coronavirus pandemic.

This early Nissan announcement due to the economic effects of a No Deal Brexit, now makes it much harder for the Government to blame Sunderlands closing on coronavirus if there is no deal. Their Tarrif Schedule of 2 weeks ago to avoid a LPF is already up in smoke. 

Buckle up, the rubber is now hitting the road on Johnson's "Hidden Highway To Brexit."

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1 hour ago, Waynemarlow said:

https://uk.motor1.com/news/426077/nisan-sunderland-saved-barcelona-closed/

Wasn't it just a couple of days ago Nissan were closing Barcelona in preference to Sunderland.

There has been no statement from Nissan saying Sunderland production and Barcelona closing are connected. If you read your own cite you would know that, so why post that dribble?

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4 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

They won't even release the Isle of Wight trial data which started a month ago, other than to say here 60% of pop there uploaded the APP. There is anecdotal evidence a lot of people uploaded then removed.

I can confirm that for a fact, it fucked the battery life etc..........and a healthy proportion refused point blank to download.

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4 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Trust going down the shitter, dead before it's even started which will force them to make APP upload compulsory....then adding further drama.

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Simple solution to that fuckery

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Not much point enforcing an app download...........

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A contact tracer working on the NHS Test and Trace coronavirus scheme says she has not been asked to speak to anyone since beginning work last week.

The clinician told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire she had worked 38 hours but had yet to make a single phone call and spent the time watching Netflix.

"It's frustrating to know that I'm sat idle when there's people that need contacting," they said.

The government said this does not reflect the amount of work under way.

"Becky" spoke to the BBC on condition of anonymity, and said she has watched nearly three series of comedy The Good Place, despite being available to help isolate people.

"I'm yet to make a single phone call or be assigned a case," the nurse said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52904433

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34 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

There has been no statement from Nissan saying Sunderland production and Barcelona closing are connected. If you read your own cite you would know that, so why post that dribble?

Seem to remember back a few weeks ago there was riots on the streets in Barcelona on that very matter

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/nissan-workers-protest-sunderland-favoured-barcelona-factory-site/193863

"Nissan chief executive Makoto Uchida said the company would maintain production at its Sunderland plant."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52829348

But totally irrelevant as Japan will slowly but surely cut all their car production on Euro soil when they have over over capacity at home and no tariffs to pay on their car exports to Euro land.

 

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Watched PMQ's and Johnson's tactics are now crystal clear.

Don't answer Starmers questions involving "scrutiny" and bat them away (with real or feigned anger) as attacking "public trust," attacking the NHS and not cooperating with the Govt all bound together with bullshit and often irrelevancy. The questions are an affront to the Government's fine record.

Yet paradoxically Starmer actually saying his questions are over the Government actions eroding public trust. 

So divide the community, paint Labour and anyone who supports them as not working in the collective interest. Effective if you can get away with it. Can he??

So to the Trump facsimile in the HOC.

These 3 questions were preceded by Starmers hilarious opening.

Starmer cited this headline in this mornings Telegraph "Boris Johnson takes back control of coronavirus crisis with Downing Street shake-up" by asking the question. "Can the PM advise who has been in control up until now?" It wound Johnson up at first throw of the hook.

This exchange is typical. Watch how how Mr Grumpy refuses to answer "R" question, test/trace/contact etc in fact just about all questions. They should call it "No PMQ's"

 

 

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Hey Jack, what about the Swedish Corona Stats and your favourite Neil Ferguson now admitting that the Swedish outcome has been similar to the UK's on full lock down ?

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20 minutes ago, mad said:

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Simple solution to that fuckery

Mate to be super safe...this network provider. 

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12 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Hey Jack, what about the Swedish Corona Stats and your favourite Neil Ferguson now admitting that the Swedish outcome has been similar to the UK's on full lock down ?

Take that question to the Swedish Coronavirus thread so I and others can gladly make you look very fucking foolish...if that is such a surprise.

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12 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Take that subject to the Swedish Coronavirus thread so I and others can make you look very fucking foolish...if that is such a surprise.

I'm surprised that you haven't yet somehow created a conspiracy theory that the UK government must have paid Sweden to trial the herd immunity scheme and that Boris must have inside connections that must have something on the Swedish PM to get him to do so, such is the quantity of conspiracies and Frames you are now putting up here every day.

They are of such quantity in number and as we know the political elite in the UK couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery let alone have the forethought to create such extremely complex story lines, I'm starting to think Whacko Jacko is starting to go a large amount of bonkers being all couped up in the dungeons of his boat. I guess that's the internet world for you, 2 + 2 makes 5.

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11 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Every country could have done more..

Every country ...really.

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1 minute ago, jack_sparrow said:

Every country ...really. but of course that is with the wisdom of hindsight.

Fixed it for you

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1 minute ago, Waynemarlow said:

I'm surprised that you haven't yet somehow created a conspiracy theory that the UK government must have paid..

Bullshit is your domain.

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Just now, Waynemarlow said:

Fixed it for you

So wisdom doesn't exist in the UK.. so Brexit must be about about finding wisdom and hindsight on WTO terms. That's a new one.

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4 minutes ago, mad said:

Wayne’s not got any better at this it seems. 
 

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Peurile Mad is back with his little meme, that's the limit of his intelligence one would suspect as after all he's Jacks favorite pet dog, almost beat CuMS to reply first every time. Ooh Jack has made a post, I must respond immmmmmmmediately.

Got a better one for you Mad, its an old favourite

 

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18 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Mate to be super safe...this network provider. 

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In fact it is very much hi tech compared to that used in the Rees Mogg household having no network.

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1 minute ago, jack_sparrow said:

So wisdom doesn't exist in the UK.. so Brexit must be about about finding wisdom and hindsight on WTO terms.

Aah but not even you can say whether its been a good call or not, you can only as yet hypothesize from your computer models as yet you do not have the wisdom of hindsight.  

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12 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Peurile Mad is back with his little meme, that's the limit of his intelligence ...almost beat CuMS to reply first every time. Ooh Jack has made a post, I must respond immmmmmmmediately.

Any chance you can go back to being in isolation?

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2 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

In fact it is very much hi tech compared to that used in the Rees Mogg household having no network.

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At least he has a household to talk to unlike yourself Jack who seems to be going more bonkers by the day, I guess that's the effect of prolonged loneliness of having no friends other than internet names and internet subjects to fill your day. You need to get your head outside the boat a bit more and navigate a bit of the travails of true life.

 

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18 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

At least he has a household to talk to unlike yourself...

Wayne come on, there is no need to rub it in... my boathold of 3 compared to his household of 9 incl nanny ...and wow ...yours of 20 incl the 6 pets. 

How long have you been a Mormon? Did Rees Mogg tell you there is a EU law that makes your marital situation illegal and that's why you voted Leave?

Wayne your every utterance....leave so many questions unanswered. 

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So Wayne's back with the deflections..............nothings changed then.  He must be so proud of his team and Brexit.

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Remember 

- 5 April Hancock and Johnson endorsed say by the end of April 100,000 "people" a day tested. Fell short by around 40K so "people" became "tests."

- 6 May at PMQ rattled by Starmer he pulled a promise out of his arse of 200,000 "tests" by end of May. Fell short so "tests" became "testing capacity."

Note: Around 12 days ago when last reported the average persons tested per day was less than 70K for the month of May.

- 27 May at Liason Committee in a question from Jeremy Hunt (ex Health Minister and incumbent Health Committee Chair) questioned why testing turnaround time is not being done in 24 hours. Johnson claimed most are done in 48 hours but had been told he couldn't commit to when 24 hrs could be achieved.

- Today at PMQ again appearing rattled by Starmer, to a similiar Dorothy Dix question from Hunt he pulled a promise out of his arse of a "24 hour" testing turnaround time  for all tests by the end of June, except those encumbered by social distancing.

Note: Anecdotal evidence is many test results are taking 14 days and after isolation has ended for those tested.

You would think by now the penny would have dropped that these monthly promises Johnson pulls out of arse where they all fall over in a heap is not such a good idea?

Yet he keeps doing it every month.

Why?

 

 

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23 minutes ago, mad said:

So Wayne's back with the deflections..............nothings changed then.  He must be so proud of his team and Brexit.

I have to say Farage hasn't gone into hiding unlike Boris...he pops up willing to talk anything with a Brexit heartbeat.

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2 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

But totally irrelevant as Japan will slowly but surely cut all their car production on Euro soil when they have over over capacity at home and no tariffs to pay on their car exports to Euro land.

Short memory, I explained already that statement on tariffs is not the case. Then you could not believe it, and it seems still not be landed in your mind.

Ps on the WTO and 3rd country status for the UK it seems the UK is making a few mistakes.

EU can declare the UK not worthy of 3rd country status, easy peasy, just declare  the UK system non valid and battle it out at WTO court (in your dreams).
And the Eu can do it sector by sector. No more meat, non. Some UK farmers know this and are selling their stock of lamb. (lambs now born, meat will be exported next year, farmers still does not now what will replace the CAP and are preparing for next year... nice..)

This is eye-opening from a Brexiteer blog. Can not accuse them of Project Fear...
http://leavehq.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=128
Nevertheless, it is generally recognised that, in order to access the Single Market, goods must comply with EU rules. Conformity is the way of overcoming the NTB. But what advocates of the WTO option have not realised is that there is more to it than that . Much more. Potential exporters not only have to ensure their goods conform, they must provide evidence of their so doing. This requires putting the goods through a recognised system of what is known as "conformity assessment".


Same with fish, if UK can be seen as misbehaving the EU can conclude the UK is not adhering to the UN protocol  and call it null and void. No Unclos, no EEZ, old rules will apply till UK has battled it out before the UN to reinstate Unclos.


The talks are now in hard ball mode is what I hear from journalists.
Everything the UK throws up is now countered and more. Make it sure they understand what trade war means.
For some Eu countries this is a bit much, but there are the same numbers who are saying, do it now and hard.
I think this is the last week the EU can make clear to Johnson and his 6 merry man what a No Deal will have as outcome in the worst case. It seemed the UK had overlooked many issues or thought the EU would never do that because the UK is great.
He has to decide personally to go for deal or not so put ultimate pressure on him, wave your willy against the clown. It is 400 Million times bigger.
Friendship is over, Sir Rogers is probably laughing his ass off on the remarks that it seems the UK has left its brains behind in negotiations (general remark from trade experts outside the UK/EU).

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Yet he keeps doing it every month.

Why?

What are the chances he's had or having a nervous breakdown or suffering from some form of psychosis?

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41 minutes ago, LeoV said:

 

For some Eu countries this is a bit much, but there are the same numbers who are saying, do it now and hard.
 

So one can expect a last desperate "divide et impera" move from Bojo and his cronies, would not surprise me next time Bojo visits Brussels he will first visit a couple other countries, deja-vu all over again.  Problem for him overhere here is of course we're one of the countries that will be hit quite heavily, but Brussels is Brussels is Brussels, the only ones still sympathetic to him here are some pubs and resto's because of his royal daily patronage some years ago ;-)

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Nope. Nissan still pushing hard for UK government to agree a tariff-free deal with EU. Which is sensible for Nissan and always been its position. But if there is not one, it will not depart from Sunderland. If I had time I'd explain how car industry works I would. But I don't.
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The man almost living on twitter has no time... he is right on the first point, but the next...
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Very carefully chosen words "if no tariff free deal, Nissan will not *depart* Sunderland. Not immediately - tooling & training are sunk costs. Continuing production to the end of the model cycle is less costly than shutting. But no replacement lines will come. 5 years I reckon.

Maybe just explain how just in time, integrated supply chains can function with tariffs and and non-tariff trade barriers between the UK and the mainland Andrew. You can't because they can't, however much time you might or might not have...

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56 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Friendship is over, Sir Rogers is probably laughing his ass off on the remarks that it seems the UK has left its brains behind in negotiations (general remark from trade experts outside the UK/EU).

Laughing...Rogers has to change his pants 20 times a day when negotiaton rounds appear.

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3 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Seem to remember back a few weeks ago there was riots on the streets in Barcelona on that very matter

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/nissan-workers-protest-sunderland-favoured-barcelona-factory-site/193863

"Nissan chief executive Makoto Uchida said the company would maintain production at its Sunderland plant."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52829348

 But totally irrelevant as Japan will slowly but surely cut all their car production on Euro soil when they have over over capacity at home and no tariffs to pay on their car exports to Euro land.

 

Your failure to answer straight is why no one can be fucked entertaining any dialogue with you beyond a paragraph, usually comprising derision. I will add two.

EU Japan FTA it has been suggested at least one or twice by Leo and myself that you go read it because you keep saying the same shit that is wrong.

For that you are clearly bone lazy and dumb as batshit.

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14 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Very carefully chosen words "if no tariff free deal, Nissan will not *depart* Sunderland. Not immediately - tooling & training are sunk costs. Continuing production to the end of the model cycle is less costly than shutting. But no replacement lines will come. 5 years I reckon.

Agreed, but they also won't move production of a new model to Euroland, instead leaving the state supported Renault to make electric Clios with Leaf technology made under licence from Nissan.

Car makers as we know them are generally ferked and there is going to be some big casualties over the next decade when Tesla gets into his stride in his mega factories. Who will go first, Seat, Renault Citroen, put your bets on unless there is a lot of "level playing field" back handers.

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11 minutes ago, Albatros said:

Problem for him overhere here is of course we're one of the countries that will be hit quite heavily, but Brussels is Brussels is Brussels, the only ones still sympathetic to him here are some pubs and resto's because of his royal daily patronage some years ago ;-)

Yep, no friends left in the EU except Malta. A whole lot do not care, a few worried but not friendly any more.
In general the Dutch do not care any more, even the food exporters. UK market has to pay for extra costs or no trade.
Only logistics are worried, but they are now under extra inspection here. EU laws were changed to stop misuse of cheap lorry drivers.
Hey, what a coincidence Rotterdam logistics are a problem in this. A few companies got heavily fined, like Olof-Mega Travel Trailers, 750 trailers a week to the UK driven by Albanians for a Bulgarian company. It is in my area, and was known for abuse of rules. Suddenly they needed 27 lorry drivers to replace them. And the fine and back taxes are so huge maybe they will go bankrupt.
The officials involved here target UK logistic companies as that was requested to get good info on Nl UK trade. So this is a by-catch of Brexit.

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23 minutes ago, LeoV said:
Nope. Nissan still pushing hard for UK government to agree a tariff-free deal with EU. Which is sensible for Nissan and always been its position. But if there is not one, it will not depart from Sunderland. If I had time I'd explain how car industry works I would. But I don't.

Neils Brexit panties are now stretching beyond breaking point ...like many....they are all starting to speak in cliches on subject matter they have not a clue on. They are all like frogs and the water is getting hotter.

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5 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Who will go first, Seat, Renault Citroen, put your bets on unless there is a lot of "level playing field" back handers.

Landrover, Jaguar, Vauxhall as brand.
Remember the engine parts and a lot more are from the EU. So they will go first, strengthening the non UK brands in the UK ...

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14 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Agreed, but they also won't move production of a new model to Euroland, instead leaving the state supported Renault to make electric Clios with Leaf technology made under licence from Nissan.

Fact check. Nissan and Renault are part of a cross sharing agreement known as the Nissan Renault Mitsubishi Alliance. Whilst not a merger nor acquisition, it essentially makes the three manufacturers divisions of each other. This alliance developed the Leaf and Zoe (although the first released was the Mitsubish i-Miev) The technology belongs to neither company.

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16 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Landrover, Jaguar, Vauxhall as brand.
Remember the engine parts and a lot more are from the EU. So they will go first, strengthening the non UK brands in the UK ...

Certainly so, but none are owned by UK companies and most here realise car companies are on shakey ground with or without Brexit, so we would not be surprised to hear a major brand go. The irony is as an independent country from the EU we could legally do just that, even up the already un level playing field.

Unless a government is prepared to sponsor and level up the playing field with subsidies, then as there is over abundance of supply to actual need, the basic rule of business applies, meet demand with supply.

I'm really not sure about the EU makers, they are already expensive, add a 10% tariff and the Jap cars without a tariff are going to be looking like winners to the few who will actually invest in a new car. Already the young generations are not even taking their driving licences, why do they actually need to own a car. Throw in the now accelerated acceptance of the likes of Zoom meetings and even business's are going to say, do we really need cars.

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Wayne's vision of the UK,Tesla's. But in reality small cars not build in the UK,  e-scooters and maybe horse and buggy.

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Closed factories, farmers unable to sell production, and devalued currency would be a lot more noticeable than preparation for 'industries of the future' and a few freeports generating not a huge amount. All project fear  and project Oomphh that is reality.

Let's see if BJ is up to the pressure. Last time he folded and accepted NI border in the Irish Sea.

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29 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Wayne's vision of the UK,Tesla's. But in reality small cars not build in the UK,  e-scooters and maybe horse and buggy.

Why will it be any different in the Netherlands ?

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8 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Closed factories, farmers unable to sell production

It’s been a long time coming and has only been delayed by the EU farm subsidy schemes, but the farming community and manufactures may just have to grow/ produce something people want and not what will bring the highest subsidy to keep farmers in the manner they are used to. 

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Turnips...will save UK farming.

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Just now, LeoV said:

Turnips...will save UK farming.

More like sugar beet

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10 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Fucking good Donkeys poster

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^^^^^ Twigged my memory of something.

If you want to have a good laugh read this.

It is from Private Eye in January 2016 when the various leave campaigns were all jockeying to secure from the Electoral Commission designation as the official campaign in favour of leaving the European Union in the Referendum.

It is about the "Vote Leave" who in April 2016 was designated as such.

Vote Leave was jointly founded by Cummings (with Matthew Elliott) in 2015 as a "cross-party" outfit. Gove co chaired the Campaign Committee of more than 20 with Cummings director and comprising from Cabinet today Patel, Raab Leadsom (now Lord's) and Johnson a late inductee. Nigel Dodds from DUP was a Committee member.

When reading it keep in the back of your mind there were two tiers of Eurosceptics in competition. The "Leavers" and a group who were branded disparagingly by the "Leavers" as "remain reformers" claiming they wished to leave the EU but retain some form of EU associate membership status.

I guarantee when your finished reading it you will be saying WTF.

21 January 2016

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55 minutes ago, LeoV said:

Wayne's vision of the UK,Tesla's. But in reality small cars not build in the UK,  e-scooters and maybe horse and buggy.

EV's also Johnson's spin today at presser as a backstop to industry being decimated by the virus and reinventing itself as part of the Green Industrial Revolution. It had a undertone of Nissan leaving will be coronavirus not No Deal Brexit related.

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Forgot one nugget from PMQ's

A Tory MP asked a question about the UK being guaranteed security and data access to the EU after 31 December. The question I think knowing their interest had some connection with the airline industry ie. not being impeded with regards to border controls maybe??

Anyway Boris answered yes we will without blinking an eye. WTF.

The MP was Theresa May. 

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On 6/3/2020 at 5:04 AM, mad said:

That’s the best news I’ve heard all day. :ph34r:
 

Gets better today.

 

25,000 Tracers have been called out and rearing to go....they have a head start knowing the phone numbers of 649 possibles to start ringing :lol:

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