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Can new NAFTA get done in this atmosphere?

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15 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Trumps done dude.

It's not as if Democrats are against NAFTA, and I still don't see how pro-impeachment people get the numbers they need in the Senate. 

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No one is clamoring for a new NAFTA.  Trump fucked up as usual with this in his quixotic anti Obama agenda.  He’s wounded and Dems are not going to help him out.  Regardless of impeachment he’s got one year to go.  Wait the Fat Bastard out.

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Curiosity?   Were any of the revisions bad?  The business shows seemed to think it was pretty much the same agreement with a few quarter century updates.    The old one had its issues, but uncertainty is surely worse from a business perspective.  Pretending politicians of either party cared about such things.   

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The differences between NAFTA and USMCA are trivial. The changes to automobile policy are so minor as to be avoided by all parties with minor accounting changes. Regulating currency policy? WTF?!? That is a joke. Cannot be done. A few dairy farmers might sell a tiny bit more milk in Canada. 

Zero cabinet members wanted the changes or gave a shit.

Not even worth the name change. So trivial that CA and M passed it without any serious discussion.

100% just a feeble effort to fulfill one Trump campaign promise.

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That's completely untrue - NAFTA was a terrible, horrible, disgraceful deal - the worst deal in history and Trump singlehandedly changed it into the best, the greatest deal in history.

Not passing is not just unfair, it is SO unfair.

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I suppose getting USMCA done removes any uncertainty about the North American  trade regime going forward. Hence Canada and Mexico just want to get it done, and then Trump will presumably have to think whatever USMCA does is a good thing and move on to other trade disputes. 

I suppose the worst case scenario is Pelosi holds up USMCA to deny Trump something he wants, and then a spiteful Trump sends out the six months notice letters.  I am not so sure that Ms. Warren has a deep commitment to liberal trade, so that is another reason to move forward right now. 

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Fair point, but if and when USMCA goes through-Trump will have to be proud of his baby. 

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9 minutes ago, spankoka said:

Fair point, but if and when USMCA goes through-Trump will have to be proud of his baby. 

Not really,   He already tried to one up it.    I don’t think he ever considers a deal done,   He has a short attention span, but there’s always potential to sweeten the pie or extort new terms.   It doesn’t fit his claimed strategy in Art of the Deal, but it fits his observed modern behavior, 

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/04/mexico-canada-trump-1505291

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This is the Democrats’ playbook as first revealed by the Clinton Impeachment strategy: show the public you are hard at work on the peoples’ business while the mayhem distracts others. 

It helps retain a patina of competence despite the whirlwind of other news. Let amateurs get distracted and spitting mad. Pelosi is a pro and is on task. 

Its just walking while chewing gum. A party you can trust to get work done while simultaneously protecting the Constitution. 

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On 11/17/2019 at 6:27 PM, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

What the "gridlock is good" fuckwhits don't understand is gridlock is why they get a Patriot Act and Obamacare shoved up their tomballs ass.

Hah! There was and is blessed bipartisan unity on the Patriot Act. It would be hard to pick a dumber example.

But your gossip is not why I'm here.

Can new NAFTA get done in this atmosphere?

Oddly enough, yes.

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Less than an hour after announcing two articles of impeachment aimed at ending President Donald Trump's tenure, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.) announced a handshake deal with the Trump administration to pass a new North American free trade deal.

That's funny on a few levels.
 

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Winner: A lot of the politicians involved

Tuesday's announcement was mostly about politics, not policy.

This is an obvious win for Trump, of course, who entered office with a promise to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)—the 1994 deal that Trump routinely castigates as the worst deal in U.S. history. In the end, the USMCA looks a lot like NAFTA, but Trump will get to take victory laps at his 2020 campaign rallies for delivering on his promise to rename kill NAFTA.

It's a win for Democrats too. Though some might be surprised that Pelosi announced this deal with the White House on the same day that the House of Representatives outlined plans to officially charge Trump with abuse of power and obstruction of Congress, it actually makes a lot of sense. She's sending the message that Democrats aren't obsessed with impeachment—as some on the right have claimed—and that Congress will continue to do other important legislative work even as the impeachment process continues.

 

There are a few other winners and losers from the deal at the link.

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12 minutes ago, Plenipotentiary Tom said:

Hah! There was and is blessed bipartisan unity on the Patriot Act. It would be hard to pick a dumber example.

But your gossip is not why I'm here.

Can new NAFTA get done in this atmosphere?

Oddly enough, yes.

That's funny on a few levels.
 

There are a few other winners and losers from the deal at the link.

Generally if people on both sides hate the deal it is probably a good deal. Basically it helps the middle and those at the extremes loose.

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You’re all wrong. Does this new NAFTA give more money to the 1% than the old NAFTA? 
If yes, it passes

if no, a lot of noise and a “no pass”

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Mexican auto workers are going to do better under New NAFTA. There is some new environmental stuff there. Other than that, it is the same as old NAFTA. It seems this one area where Pelosi and Trump agree.

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