barfy 1,057 #10601 Posted November 30, 2020 4 hours ago, MaxHugen said: I recall a comment about not seeing any pre-start practice... they did a very well controlled quick left-right maneuver from about 0:26, impressive in the light air. I could see them using that as a feint, perhaps to force the opponent off the foils? I counted 8 seconds between manoeuvres, kinda blows the 15 second FCS recharge time away, no? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 480 #10602 Posted November 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, barfy said: I counted 8 seconds between manoeuvres, kinda blows the 15 second FCS recharge time away, no? That little zigzag really makes me pumped to see the first box entry. I think we will be pleasantly surprised with the prestart action. At least until sir ben runs his raised foil through half a sailing team. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,057 #10603 Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Forourselves said: Chris Steele commentates on footage from Friday 27th November, 2020 where he looks at the similarities and differences between Emirates Team New Zealand and Luna Rossa Prada Pirelli Team. When ETNZ was being filmed, they were in the upper wind limits, and actually above the racing wind limits of about 24 knots. Luna Rossa Prada Pirelli Team was in lighter conditions, around 18-20 knots. Hope we get some analytical commentary from Chris again this cup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,057 #10604 Posted November 30, 2020 20 minutes ago, kenergy said: That little zigzag really makes me pumped to see the first box entry. I think we will be pleasantly surprised with the prestart action. At least until sir ben runs his raised foil through half a sailing team. Oh no...please drug test Ben and take away the steroids...his neck is a dead giveaway 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
astro 730 #10605 Posted November 30, 2020 35 minutes ago, kenergy said: 39 minutes ago, Nutta said: Just re-watched that R8, to the horror of my wife. Jimmy's face at the end was like a busted arse... If I recall correctly that was the race where we finally figured out that pistol pete wasnt too shit at the prestart. I might just go and watch it again myself. I re-watch them every now and then, fucking awesome. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,209 #10606 Posted November 30, 2020 33 minutes ago, barfy said: I counted 8 seconds between manoeuvres, kinda blows the 15 second FCS recharge time away, no? Not between arm lifts - which is what would require a full recharge. Dropping the arm shouldn't require significant assist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Navig8tor 1,146 #10607 Posted November 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, astro said: I re-watch them every now and then, fucking awesome. Burling just owned Jimmy in that pre start, it was a thing of beauty to park Jimmy, bear off and sailaway....... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 462 #10608 Posted November 30, 2020 50 minutes ago, barfy said: I counted 8 seconds between manoeuvres, kinda blows the 15 second FCS recharge time away, no? Is that the time the electrical pump(?) system takes to rebuild hydraulic pressure? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 480 #10609 Posted November 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Navig8tor said: Burling just owned Jimmy in that pre start, it was a thing of beauty to park Jimmy, bear off and sailaway....... I'm hoping that's when we find out which hull shape really works, drop em in a hole and fuck off quick smart Maybe a good old fashioned dial up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 223 #10610 Posted November 30, 2020 There was a clip of ETNZ earlier today that showed quite some activity, followed by a touchdown, and very quick lift off. Not sure what the wind was, but if they can do that pre start it'll be interesting.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 795 #10611 Posted November 30, 2020 53 minutes ago, barfy said: I counted 8 seconds between manoeuvres, kinda blows the 15 second FCS recharge time away, no? Each of the arms is powered by it's own dc-powered hydraulic power pack, so they can zig-zag all day long 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
astro 730 #10612 Posted November 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Navig8tor said: Burling just owned Jimmy in that pre start, it was a thing of beauty to park Jimmy, bear off and sailaway....... After not understanding a reaching start, I am a convert now. The starts were awesome. But I have expectations of these new machines being even more exciting. Here's hoping anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Navig8tor 1,146 #10613 Posted November 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, kenergy said: I'm hoping that's when we find out which hull shape really works, drop em in a hole and fuck off quick smart Maybe a good old fashioned dial up. My guess is most of the competition will not want to get their boat going slow so dial up will not be engaged if at all possible, some boats appear decidedly sticky in the light so once on their foils I'm guessing thats were they'll want to stay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobG 686 #10614 Posted November 30, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 4:49 PM, DayTripper said: That would fit with a low pressure area under the hull vaporising water. I think you'll find that's a venturi effect from air passing under the keel, nothing to do with "ground effect". It's not vaporising the water, just blowing spray off the surface. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 480 #10615 Posted November 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, Navig8tor said: My guess is most of the competition will not want to get their boat going slow so dial up will not be engaged if at all possible, some boats appear decidedly sticky in the light so once on their foils I'm guessing thats were they'll want to stay. No doubt, still be fun to see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boybland 515 #10616 Posted November 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Navig8tor said: My guess is most of the competition will not want to get their boat going slow so dial up will not be engaged if at all possible, some boats appear decidedly sticky in the light so once on their foils I'm guessing thats were they'll want to stay. All well and good until the other guy forces the issue because his boat ain't as sticky. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DayTripper 40 #10617 Posted November 30, 2020 2 hours ago, RobG said: I think you'll find that's a venturi effect from air passing under the keel, nothing to do with "ground effect". It's not vaporising the water, just blowing spray off the surface. A venturi creates a low pressure area. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoom 516 #10618 Posted November 30, 2020 20 hours ago, The_Alchemist said: Prove it with pictures. I was going to check through my launch pics but this latest GMR vid does it better Step through some of these turns and tell me its not concave around the arm hinges. http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/212000-emirates-team-new-zealand/&do=findComment&comment=7297587 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiwi39 44 #10620 Posted November 30, 2020 9 hours ago, Boybland said: All well and good until the other guy forces the issue because his boat ain't as sticky. Like Pistol Pete did to Slick Jimmy the Aussie motormouth in R8 of AC35 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,057 #10621 Posted November 30, 2020 12 hours ago, Indio said: Each of the arms is powered by it's own dc-powered hydraulic power pack, so they can zig-zag all day long There was some discussion of accumulator recharge time being 15 seconds. But as @Horn Rock points out,a drop doesn't count..so the time between tacks or gybes is 8 seconds as seen perhaps. Which will make for some interesting racing if it's tactically advantageous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,422 #10622 Posted November 30, 2020 4 hours ago, ivansh said: Great to see the teams getting into competition mode. Bring it on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lickindip 495 #10623 Posted November 30, 2020 42 minutes ago, barfy said: There was some discussion of accumulator recharge time being 15 seconds. But as @Horn Rock points out,a drop doesn't count..so the time between tacks or gybes is 8 seconds as seen perhaps. Which will make for some interesting racing if it's tactically advantageous. wasnt the 15seconds quoted quite early on in the design stage of the supplied items? I'm sure that if they upgraded the units/pumps etc and it was available for all teams they would have all jumped at it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,422 #10624 Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, kiwi39 said: Like Pistol Pete did to Slick Jimmy the Aussie motormouth in R8 of AC35 The next race was every bit as masterful. Kiwis gybed inside first, then just soaked down over the top of OTUSA. Devastating. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiwi39 44 #10625 Posted November 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, Sailbydate said: The next race was every bit as masterful. Kiwis gybed inside first, then just soaked down over the top of OTUSA. Devastating. I agree Pete Burling : "No Look" ... then the wheels over and they're gybing ... BANG !!! Owned !!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apterix 85 #10626 Posted November 30, 2020 38 minutes ago, kiwi39 said: I agree Pete Burling : "No Look" ... then the wheels over and they're gybing ... BANG !!! Owned !!! Not interested in reliving Bermuda - glorious though it was. But, very interested in what lays ahead, and it looks like a massive challenge. LR and AM look very competitive, particularly higher up the wind range - not sure about the Brits with their large funky foils. I reckon the path ahead for ETNZ is anything but plain sailing. ETNZ do look good in light airs, which seem to be their specialty, but ac36 may not be sailed in light airs and to my eye ETNZ look a little less comfortable in windy conditions than LR and AM. However, looking at mean windspeed and direction below, during ac36 windspeed ought to be around the 8-14 knot mark. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,262 #10627 Posted November 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, Apterix said: However, looking at mean windspeed and direction below, during ac36 windspeed ought to be around the 8-14 knot mark. Ward said much the same on TE’s show, about how AM and LR look to have made choices that favor all-around conditions with a ‘flatter optimization curve’ than the more conditions-optimized choices that Ineos and ETNZ seem to have aimed for, with higher performance IF they get the narrower conditions range they’re guessing at. He then reminded folks of the regatta expression “But it’s always ‘never like this’ .“ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,422 #10632 Posted November 30, 2020 25 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: Ward said much the same on TE’s show, about how AM and LR look to have made choices that favor all-around conditions with a ‘flatter optimization curve’ than the more conditions-optimized choices that Ineos and ETNZ seem to have aimed for, with higher performance IF they get the narrower conditions range they’re guessing at. He then reminded folks of the regatta expression “But it’s always ‘never like this’ .“ The point about average wind speed is that the wind NEVER blows at an average speed. ;-) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ncik 145 #10633 Posted December 1, 2020 16 hours ago, barfy said: Hope we get some analytical commentary from Chris again this cup. It was poor quality, I had to force myself to listen to the whole thing on the hope something good would seep through...it didn't. Will be avoiding further commentary from Chris. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobG 686 #10634 Posted December 1, 2020 13 hours ago, DayTripper said: A venturi creates a low pressure area. Exactly. See the ground effect thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 795 #10635 Posted December 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Lickindip said: wasnt the 15seconds quoted quite early on in the design stage of the supplied items? I'm sure that if they upgraded the units/pumps etc and it was available for all teams they would have all jumped at it The arms and their hydraulic drive systems are all one-design supplied items which they can't modify as I presume a safety decision - after all, you don't to run out of hydraulic power at an inopportune time causing an accident and a serious injury. Under our H&S regulations, that could pose problems for ETNZ as Defenders. How to control the hydraulic system within their FCS is open slather - within the Rules. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigrpowr 182 #10636 Posted December 1, 2020 shocking how in control ETNZ looks in the light. they have something masterful going. thanks for the vid @mikenz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lickindip 495 #10637 Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Indio said: The arms and their hydraulic drive systems are all one-design supplied items which they can't modify as I presume a safety decision - after all, you don't to run out of hydraulic power at an inopportune time causing an accident and a serious injury. Under our H&S regulations, that could pose problems for ETNZ as Defenders. How to control the hydraulic system within their FCS is open slather - within the Rules. yes it is one design ... but like the foil arms ... has te system had an upgrade from the original specs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 795 #10638 Posted December 1, 2020 5 hours ago, fish7yu said: That is some ride-height controller they've fine-tuned... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DayTripper 40 #10639 Posted December 1, 2020 7 hours ago, RobG said: Exactly. See the ground effect thread. Madness that way lies. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,209 #10640 Posted December 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Indio said: That is some ride-height controller they've fine-tuned... Seems to be less hobby horsing than the other boats, which always seem to be going up and down, searching for the elusive low rider mode. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 795 #10641 Posted December 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: Seems to be less hobby horsing than the other boats, which always seem to be going up and down, searching for the elusive low rider mode. It'll be very interesting to see during the upcoming practice sessions and in the ACWS if the Italians' ride-height is as consistent as ETNZ's, in light of all the BS claims by the northern hemisphere "experts" that ETNZ's AC50 controller was "donated" by the Italians LOL!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 961 #10642 Posted December 1, 2020 Experts like Max? That was part of the team? vs fan boy saying no our team thought of it all by ourselves. but to be sure it was right you thought you would use Pradas test ac45 with it all in just to be sure it worked ;-) Try before you buy at the foiling week Italy Back home with the new toy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,209 #10643 Posted December 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Indio said: It'll be very interesting to see during the upcoming practice sessions and in the ACWS if the Italians' ride-height is as consistent as ETNZ's, LR seems to be going up and down like the others. Less depth in their bow is not making their job any easier either. Their shape looks more difficult to low ride. Ineos control system looks the less developed - their hobby horsing looking the most pronounced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,057 #10644 Posted December 1, 2020 8 hours ago, Ncik said: It was poor quality, I had to force myself to listen to the whole thing on the hope something good would seep through...it didn't. Will be avoiding further commentary from Chris. Avoid away. Cut to your illuminating commentary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D_Dog 63 #10645 Posted December 1, 2020 Once up and flying, one would think that the foil flaps would be used to control ride height. However, do we think a viable technique would be to constantly adjust the cant of the foil arm? Lowering would increase vertical force, but a reduction of horizontal force to windward. That way the foil flaps could be left in a position of best lift/drag ratio for the speed. Not sure if there would be a benefit to this.... just a thought. The cant of the arm is probably not responsive enough. It would be interesting to know if there is a combination of constant cant/flap adjustment going on for ride height, or if they just set the cant for a certain wind pressure and work 100% on flap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 795 #10646 Posted December 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, D_Dog said: Once up and flying, one would think that the foil flaps would be used to control ride height. However, do we think a viable technique would be to constantly adjust the cant of the foil arm? Lowering would increase vertical force, but a reduction of horizontal force to windward. That way the foil flaps could be left in a position of best lift/drag ratio for the speed. Not sure if there would be a benefit to this.... just a thought. The cant of the arm is probably not responsive enough. It would be interesting to know if there is a combination of constant cant/flap adjustment going on for ride height, or if they just set the cant for a certain wind pressure and work 100% on flap. The flaps are powered by powerful responsive dc motors, so I'd say they'll be fanning the flaps, with the arms adjusting the angle of the foils only. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,057 #10647 Posted December 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Indio said: The flaps are powered by powerful responsive dc motors, so I'd say they'll be fanning the flaps, with the arms adjusting the angle of the foils only. I think the DC actuators for flaps were for testing only. They needed to wean off the electrons and go to hand cranked oil to comply with the rule. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
minimumfuss 108 #10648 Posted December 1, 2020 2 hours ago, DayTripper said: Madness that way lies. In the words of the great Humus Effectus A rising tide lifts all boats They speaketh the love that dare not speak its name Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thetruth 41 #10649 Posted December 1, 2020 Sort of related to ETNZ but a great opportunity has just arisen for Tuke/Burling in the demise of "the unlucky" Hugo Boss boat. Few changes to the boat, better looking blokes, and a wider audience, sponsors dream...................... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 961 #10650 Posted December 1, 2020 32 minutes ago, thetruth said: Sort of related to ETNZ but a great opportunity has just arisen for Tuke/Burling in the demise of "the unlucky" Hugo Boss boat. Few changes to the boat, better looking blokes, and a wider audience, sponsors dream...................... Burling and tuke may be many things but blessed with mass market charisma they are not. Certainly compared with Alex. while the ocean dolphin friendly race team might stump up the cash for russel’s circus, I can’t see them chucking 6mill for a boat at the problem Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enigmatically2 528 #10651 Posted December 1, 2020 32 minutes ago, JALhazmat said: Burling and tuke may be many things but blessed with mass market charisma they are not. Certainly compared with Alex. Also a huge leap from a history where the closest is a fully crewed Volvo boat to the Vendee. Anyone who has made the leap from fully crewed to single or double handed would I am sure agree with me that it is a very very different experience 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salty Seacock 323 #10652 Posted December 1, 2020 I just watched the Cam and Kevin video. If you were needing rescue at sea, you couldn't hope for a better man than Cam to be there for you. Amazing. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 795 #10653 Posted December 1, 2020 8 hours ago, barfy said: I think the DC actuators for flaps were for testing only. They needed to wean off the electrons and go to hand cranked oil to comply with the rule. AC75 Class Rules Clause 24.2(e) permits electric actuators. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,057 #10654 Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Indio said: AC75 Class Rules Clause 24.2(e) permits electric actuators. You are absolutely correct sir. With dedicated batteries. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ncik 145 #10655 Posted December 1, 2020 13 hours ago, barfy said: Cut to your illuminating commentary. It's not my job to provide illuminating commentary. I was looking forward to LSD coverage as I've been a fan for years, but that particular video was a let-down. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weta27 4,009 #10656 Posted December 2, 2020 Te Rehutai was giving the CZ a good workout this morning, getting quite a bit of speed up and sailing all over the place, from the Bays down to the Paddock. 12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ncik 145 #10657 Posted December 2, 2020 What are the rules around the foresails? Number, area limits, when the teams have to commit to a sail setup, etc? If this is very open, with say just a maximum area limit, I can see foresail choice on teh day having a major affect on the race outcome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weta27 4,009 #10658 Posted December 2, 2020 Only on the Hauraki Gulf ... 14 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weta27 4,009 #10659 Posted December 2, 2020 Getting a bit arty-farty, sorry ... 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jono 41 #10660 Posted December 2, 2020 That ketch didn't have booms on Saturday. New Leisure furls or a refurb?. Looks like they are setting up the main too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 1,704 #10661 Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, weta27 said: ... Noice! Thank you. Talk about having to keep your head out of the boat... "hey pete, kayak off starboard bow". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lat35sowth 60 #10662 Posted December 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Varan said: Noice! Thank you. Talk about having to keep your head out of the boat... "hey pete, kayak off starboard bow". Bloody speedbumps shouldnt be alowed outside the harbour Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starlyte 5 #10663 Posted December 2, 2020 Forgive me if this is a stupid question Later this month, WIll NZ be sailing B1 or B2. I assume B2, But i only ask after watching this youtube clip where they say they are excited to put B2 onto the start line on March 6 (5:18) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidecar 788 #10664 Posted December 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, starlyte said: Forgive me if this is a stupid question Later this month, WIll NZ be sailing B1 or B2. I assume B2, But i only ask after watching this youtube clip where they say they are excited to put B2 onto the start line on March 6 (5:18) It would be an interesting tactical move by NZ if they raced B1 in the Xmas series and then B2 in the cup itself. NZ would intimately know how B1 sails relatively to B2, but no one else would have a clue? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaihoe 1 #10665 Posted December 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sidecar said: It would be an interesting tactical move by NZ if they raced B1 in the Xmas series and then B2 in the cup itself. NZ would intimately know how B1 sails relatively to B2, but no one else would have a clue? No going back to B1, it was striped of parts and they are being used on B2. There was photo on this thread earlier which showed B1 on dry dock with a cover over it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fish7yu 415 #10666 Posted December 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sidecar said: It would be an interesting tactical move by NZ if they raced B1 in the Xmas series and then B2 in the cup itself. NZ would intimately know how B1 sails relatively to B2, but no one else would have a clue? Unless B2 is damaged or has major flaws, the chances of recommissioning B1 is very slim. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zenmasterfred 404 #10668 Posted December 2, 2020 6 hours ago, weta27 said: Only on the Hauraki Gulf ... I'll take the non foiler in this photo, no brainer! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I ride bikes 94 #10669 Posted December 2, 2020 6 hours ago, weta27 said: Only on the Hauraki Gulf ... Half decent part of the world right now. So grateful for the black passport. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,209 #10671 Posted December 2, 2020 33 minutes ago, zenmasterfred said: I'll take the non foiler in this photo, no brainer! Probably draws a bit too much water for a lot of nice spots in NZ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 1,484 #10672 Posted December 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Horn Rock said: Probably draws a bit too much water for a lot of nice spots in NZ. Yeah. Not suitable at all.... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I ride bikes 94 #10673 Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, ivansh said: 1:50-2:00 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,025 #10674 Posted December 2, 2020 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,209 #10675 Posted December 2, 2020 Testing the code zero to confirm they're not going to use it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sea Breeze 74 513 #10676 Posted December 2, 2020 20 hours ago, thetruth said: Sort of related to ETNZ but a great opportunity has just arisen for Tuke/Burling in the demise of "the unlucky" Hugo Boss boat. Few changes to the boat, better looking blokes, and a wider audience, sponsors dream...................... Not sure they'll sneak past the solo requirement. That said, I sometimes wonder if they're not a single entity. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,422 #10677 Posted December 2, 2020 7 hours ago, weta27 said: Getting a bit arty-farty, sorry ... Mate. Right on cue for the Christmas Cup. Got that one with the Metrosideros excelsa in near view focus? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D_Dog 63 #10678 Posted December 2, 2020 59 minutes ago, I ride bikes said: 1:50-2:00 Yes, interesting stuff. Looks like they accelerate with very little lift on the foil then suddenly kick it in the guts at a specific speed, hence the sudden increase in wake off the foil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flippin Out 109 #10679 Posted December 2, 2020 29 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: Testing the code zero to confirm they're not going to use it? Yep, maneuvers no where near as quick with that up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,422 #10680 Posted December 2, 2020 44 minutes ago, Forourselves said: Start 'em early. Awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,209 #10681 Posted December 2, 2020 19 minutes ago, Flippin Out said: Yep, maneuvers no where near as quick with that up. I think I saw one manoeuver where they stayed up, but mostly they seem to go ker plop. Big clumsy things. If the next cup is still in these boats, scrapping the CZ will be one of the first amendments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,057 #10682 Posted December 2, 2020 48 minutes ago, D_Dog said: Yes, interesting stuff. Looks like they accelerate with very little lift on the foil then suddenly kick it in the guts at a specific speed, hence the sudden increase in wake off the foil. Amazing the sudden geyser up the foil fairing..in two lift offs.some serious Shit happening a meter underwater right there 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enigmatically2 528 #10683 Posted December 2, 2020 I've been trying to work out how long it takes any boat to get onto the foils, but its not always easy to figure out when they start trying. In that video it looks to me like they sheet in at 1:54, and are clear of the water and able to head up at 2:12. So I think 18s. Not sure how that compares with other boats but it does show the benefits/disadvantages from pushing someone off the foils pre-start Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uflux 580 #10684 Posted December 2, 2020 I think they were just utilising the light wind day. I feels like we are starting to get into sea breeze season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,422 #10685 Posted December 2, 2020 59 minutes ago, Sea Breeze 74 said: Not sure they'll sneak past the solo requirement. That said, I sometimes wonder if they're not a single entity. Since they seem to be joined at the hip, they may get away with it. ;-) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meanermachine 153 #10686 Posted December 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Ex-yachtie said: Yeah. Not suitable at all.... Positively slumming it, old chap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 1,484 #10687 Posted December 2, 2020 8 hours ago, barfy said: Amazing the sudden geyser up the foil fairing..in two lift offs.some serious Shit happening a meter underwater right there They probably put the flaps down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 1,484 #10688 Posted December 2, 2020 Very large leech gap here. https://www.instagram.com/p/CITfIsNAOFa/?igshid=1oqq56yvc4258 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starlyte 5 #10689 Posted December 3, 2020 Does anyone know where I could watch replays of the 35th cup races with NON american commentry? On youtube now are all the american commentators and I feel like I missed out on something listening to them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites