Indio 768 #3801 Posted June 30, 2020 35 minutes ago, fish7yu said: America's Cup 2021: Team New Zealand insiders deny being spies, claim they're whistleblowers They lawyered up very promptly and are now invoking whistle-blower status under their legal advice to claim name protection under our Whistleblowing legislation. ETNZ lawyers should be going through the NDAs with a view to suing the informants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WakaNZ 89 #3802 Posted June 30, 2020 41 minutes ago, fish7yu said: America's Cup 2021: Team New Zealand insiders deny being spies, claim they're whistleblowers This makes more sense given ACE was created by M&C and ETNZ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WakaNZ 89 #3803 Posted June 30, 2020 B1 Te Aihe B.5 Te Kahu B2. Te ???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 454 #3804 Posted June 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, WakaNZ said: B1 Te Aihe B.5 Te Kahu B2. Te ???? Te Mako Te Mangopare Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phill_nz 638 #3805 Posted June 30, 2020 te karearea te maki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 768 #3806 Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, WakaNZ said: B1 Te Aihe B.5 Te Kahu B2. Te ???? Te Real Deal 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
minimumfuss 103 #3807 Posted June 30, 2020 Te Ariki. The chief. Te kera wera, the orca Or McSomething. Or, ask aucklanders, they came up with the Blues. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 804 #3808 Posted June 30, 2020 Dalton: "Read my lips, no more leaks". Smack, who do you think is swimming above ? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 768 #3809 Posted June 30, 2020 On 6/30/2020 at 4:58 AM, phill_nz said: some of their client list from https://www.mayoandcalder.com/about-us Our partnersHips Tourism New Zealand Pernod Ricard DHL Coca Cola Amatil AON Mighty River Power Mainfreight NZME Fairfax Heineken Feenix Willis Insurance Volvo Group Volvo Cars Hyundai Audi Vocus Ministry of Business and Economic Innovation Hong Kong Sailing Federation Long Burroughs Minter Ellison Watts Auckland Tourism Events and Economic Development Auckland Council Turners and Growers Jucy Rentals Contact Energy Banklink Puma Samsung Sport NZ Emirates Team New Zealand Minter Ellison Watts New Zealand Volvo Ocean Race TVNZ Sky Sports Peroni Hong Kong Government Heineken Adidas Nike China Southern Airlines Panasonic Government of Victoria Treasury Wine Estates 2XU Asics Air New Zealand Hamilton Council Villa Maria Waipa District Council Douglas Pharmaceuticals Athletics New Zealand Port Taranaki Balance nutrition Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron Cookson Boats Southern Spas Doyle Sails DriPhone Vodafone DB Breweries Royal Hong Kong Yacht Club Vinda even just the ones from the yachting world would be a hefty base to lose there are as well many who support etnz .. and even more who would not want to be seen as anti etnz That is a very comprehensive list of high-powered clients "partnerships" which includes some big multinational companies, for a two-man company registered just 5 years ago, with no physical address except an accountant's office as the address for service, no contact details except a website, and seemingly with no employees!! I wonder what they did for all those big names listed? The two principals Thomas Mayo and Grant Calder have rather interesting backgrounds. Thomas Mayo is a yank out of California and is a principal of SOS Hydration (with family members back in the US), and has SOS Hydration NZ Ltd and Mayo And Limited in addition to Mayo & Calder Ltd., and appears to live in a modest brick 'n tile in Ellerslie whick looks like a rental property. Grant Calder has his own Calder Consultancy company touted as "Event, recreational or promotional, management", with the same accountant's address for service as Mayo&Calder. Make of it what you will 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 1,459 #3810 Posted June 30, 2020 A very detailed description of various allegations: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12344399 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xlot 689 #3812 Posted June 30, 2020 35 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said: A very detailed description of various allegations: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12344399 Misallocation of public funds! Parbleu! Those amateurs should have asked us Italians 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smackdaddy 295 #3813 Posted June 30, 2020 Heh. I hate to say I told you so.... Actually, no I don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NSP 125 #3814 Posted June 30, 2020 52 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said: A very detailed description of various allegations: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12344399 This would seem to confirm the whistle-blowing party given the law firm mentioned is on the list of "partnerships". It may be an all-mighty coincidence, but that seems unlikely. This looks very, very messy for GD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #3815 Posted June 30, 2020 more https://www.nzherald.co.nz/americas-cup/news/article.cfm?c_id=531&objectid=12344408&ref=rss Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #3816 Posted June 30, 2020 58 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said: A very detailed description of various allegations: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12344399 GD is going to be live at the NewsTalk link there, in a few minutes from now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,119 #3817 Posted June 30, 2020 Just watch it play out - tho it should be mentioned: 1) whistleblowing/corporate espionage are not mutually exclusive - one can for example be leaking completely inappropriate matters to a competitor with no business of knowing, while also observing impropriety & handing that information to government/ethic authorities. 2) nationality will likely have very little to do with it - let's not pretend Kiwis haven't defected to larger employers and taken special joy in fucking over past teammates/domestic adversaries; or entertained to gain special favor with deep pockets abroad with the hope it'll provide a payday. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,077 #3818 Posted June 30, 2020 9 hours ago, WakaNZ said: B1 Te Aihe B.5 Te Kahu B2. Te ???? Te Loot. Where is Te Loot Grant. Crikey this thing is a mess. Dalton points to a contender involvement now says ETNZ was defrauded scammed loot in Hungary not returning wtf. A quick look around the AC infrastructure paid for by the public purse certainly appears light to say the least. ETNZ and ACE have received in excess of $270 mil time for the books to be opened urgently me thinks without hiding behind the cloak of commercial sensitivity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,119 #3819 Posted June 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, Priscilla said: Te Loot. Where is Te Loot Grant. Crikey this thing is a mess. Dalton points to a contender involvement now says ETNZ was defrauded scammed loot in Hungary not returning wtf. A quick look around the AC infrastructure paid for by the public purse certainly appears light to say the least. ETNZ and ACE have received in excess of $270 mil time for the books to be opened urgently me thinks without hiding behind the cloak of commercial sensitivity. It shouldn't be difficult in this era of covid international lockdown to keep everyone involved in NZ & investigate the facts and ascertain who was involved and did what. For example, if the payment to the alleged Hungarian account was made supposedly to a contractor but fraudulent account, it shouldn't be difficult to find out 1) what the contractor/vendor was supposed to be doing; 2) whether genuine services & payments were ever made; and 3) which individuals were involved in authorizing and processing said payment. You wouldn't expect for example, a CEO who signs the checks to have knowledge of bank routing numbers and SWIFT codes - OTOH if your financial/comptroller director questioned the payment and the CEO pushed it thru? That's a diff matter altogether. Let's hope the transparency and low level of corruption NZ is known for continues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 768 #3820 Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, BSPN said: This would seem to confirm the whistle-blowing party given the law firm mentioned is on the list of "partnerships". It may be an all-mighty coincidence, but that seems unlikely. This looks very, very messy for GD. More disconcerting is how easily they were scammed into paying money into a scammer's Hungarian bank account - we hear this happening to elderly superannuitants but to a "professional" outfit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smackdaddy 295 #3821 Posted June 30, 2020 37 minutes ago, Miffy said: Let's hope the transparency and low level of corruption NZ was known for returns. FIFY As I said many weeks ago, the $250M poured into this debacle by the government is mostly wasted now...and the damage is obviously growing worse by the day. They are not going to limp away quietly because GD leads a bunch of deluded KiWhingersTM in a rousing rendition of "For Ourselves". This is about as bad as it gets. The knives are obviously out now in KiwiLand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,119 #3822 Posted June 30, 2020 35 minutes ago, Indio said: More disconcerting is how easily they were scammed into paying money into a scammer's Hungarian bank account - we hear this happening to elderly superannuitants but to a "professional" outfit? Will have to see whether it was an insider job or something else going on. Corporate scams that I’ve heard of tend to be surprisingly easy if the right person is compromised - e.g. finance director/comptroller who routinely delivers payment approval slips and the leadership’s role in signing it off is supposed to be a mere formality or approval re whether payment schedule for services rendered or product is appropriate. You wouldn’t expect a CEO to get nitty gritty checking account numbers and swift codes. 31 minutes ago, smackdaddy said: FIFY As I said many weeks ago, the $250M poured into this debacle by the government is mostly wasted now...and the damage is obviously growing worse by the day. They are not going to limp away quietly because GD leads a bunch of deluded KiWhingersTM in a rousing rendition of "For Ourselves". This is about as bad as it gets. The knives are obviously out now in KiwiLand. I don’t know you and don’t know what’s your relationship with New Zealand - but as I said, let it play out and don’t assume a massive conspiracy from the onset. In this time in particular, I don’t understand why you’re carrying on with a sense of schadenfreude when literally EVERYONE is hoping to have something good for a change. Covid is wrecking the Americas at the moment and even Americans want to see a happy AC event. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 454 #3823 Posted June 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, Miffy said: I don’t know you and don’t know what’s your relationship with New Zealand - but as I said, let it play out and don’t assume a massive conspiracy from the onset. In this time in particular, I don’t understand why you’re carrying on with a sense of schadenfreude when literally EVERYONE is hoping to have something good for a change. Covid is wrecking the Americas at the moment and even Americans want to see a happy AC event. Spamdaddy only posts on this forum as a troll. Best ignored. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weta27 3,936 #3824 Posted June 30, 2020 While not wanting to downplay the more serious allegations, the Town-Tremain letter also includes "operational & safety concerns" around numbers of on-water marshals and crowd management! What the hell? What kind of "whistleblower" would list that, something that is still under negotiation and is ultimately in the hands of the Harbourmaster? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smackdaddy 295 #3825 Posted June 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, Miffy said: I don’t know you and don’t know what’s your relationship with New Zealand - but as I said, let it play out and don’t assume a massive conspiracy from the onset. In this time in particular, I don’t understand why you’re carrying on with a sense of schadenfreude when literally EVERYONE is hoping to have something good for a change. Covid is wrecking the Americas at the moment and even Americans want to see a happy AC event. Well, it's simple really, Miff. This forum has been neck-deep in out-of-control Kiwi Self Righteousness and Ragging On Others for years now. While it turns out things have not been as shiny as advertised under the Emirati tent - just as I've been saying for a good while. Hence, a bit of very well-deserved schade here and there for the freude. As for "assuming a massive conspiracy" - it appears you should have that conversation with those who wrote that letter - not me. This thing smells to high heaven. For example, why does GD keep calling these "spies" in his midst "informants"? And now "whistleblowers"? Very different things. Shoes will keep dropping - and heads will likely roll. There has been too much money lost for everyone to simply "hope for something good". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 768 #3826 Posted June 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, weta27 said: While not wanting to downplay the more serious allegations, the Town-Tremain letter also includes "operational & safety concerns" around numbers of on-water marshals and crowd management! What the hell? What kind of "whistleblower" would list that, something that is still under negotiation and is ultimately in the hands of the Harbourmaster? It's called distraction - they must be fans of the corrupt dotard in the White House. Coincidentally, The White House used to be a very "adventurous" strip joint up the top of Queen Street in a former Orthodox Jewish synagogue - really!! It still had all the wall and ceiling religious murals... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swanno 118 #3827 Posted June 30, 2020 Sounds like it was quite a juicy piece of bait that was left hanging and ended up being gulped by the fish which subsequently got hooked as the sharp bit came out the brown end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 994 #3828 Posted June 30, 2020 If they suspected 6 months ago, they’ve probably been intentionally feeding the (alleged) “whistleblowers” wrong information for months, just to see if they’d spread it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #3829 Posted June 30, 2020 2 hours ago, smackdaddy said: They are not going to limp away quietly because GD leads a bunch of deluded KiWhingersTM in a rousing rendition of "For Ourselves". Funny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #3830 Posted June 30, 2020 X? They seem to be treating it with humor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,119 #3831 Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, smackdaddy said: Well, it's simple really, Miff. This forum has been neck-deep in out-of-control Kiwi Self Righteousness and Ragging On Others for years now. While it turns out things have not been as shiny as advertised under the Emirati tent - just as I've been saying for a good while. Hence, a bit of very well-deserved schade here and there for the freude. As for "assuming a massive conspiracy" - it appears you should have that conversation with those who wrote that letter - not me. This thing smells to high heaven. For example, why does GD keep calling these "spies" in his midst "informants"? And now "whistleblowers"? Very different things. Shoes will keep dropping - and heads will likely roll. There has been too much money lost for everyone to simply "hope for something good". You must either live the most carefree indifferent to the world sort of life and looking for conflict with one of the most benign 4 million peoples around or struggling with the most bitter experiences in a dark dark place. Either way - best of luck to you. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #3832 Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, smackdaddy said: This thing smells to high heaven. For example, why does GD keep calling these "spies" in his midst "informants"? And now "whistleblowers"? Very different things. Shoes will keep dropping - and heads will likely roll. There has been too much money lost for everyone to simply "hope for something good". It does have the potential to get bad, especially if it gets into being a political and PR fight between the Labor and National parties, over (mis)use of taxpayer money. But I figure the thing is a bit overblown, unfortunately an own goal in part by GD, for using the clickbait term ‘spies’ when the guys were apparently there for MBIE to be auditors. The money was probably not large, not being siphoned off to GD or Shoebie, or to other ETNZ salaries. The ‘Hungary’ angle is very funny, actually! Nobody knows how to speak Hungarian to interview them, and nobody even knows their names, and GD says he has Interpol all over the case anyway, so it’s in their hands now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smackdaddy 295 #3833 Posted June 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: But I figure the thing is a bit overblown, unfortunately an own goal in part by GD, for using the clickbait term ‘spies’ when the guys were apparently there for MBIE to be auditors. This is the crux of it. If these "spies" of GD's were actually MBIE there's a lot more going on that we've yet seen. Think about it - did MBIE put these guys in there "under cover". GD said they only started suspecting this "spying" around December - and ran their own traps to find them. Then you see the "whislteblower" term - then you have this letter. As I said, I think there are going to be more shoes to drop here. And none of it looks good for GD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #3834 Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, smackdaddy said: As I said, I think there are going to be more shoes to drop here. And none of it looks good for GD. Yes, GD has followed the ‘a good defense is a better offense’ line and has (for now) gotten out in front of the situation by labeling his perceived enemies as ‘spies’ (and who the hell likes ‘spies’ lol) but if MBIE produces (as one guy said they would do) some findings from their investigation then it’ll likely be relatively small potatoes. Disagreements about how many chase boats to buy and run, is an example GD gave in a radio interview today, he wants to spend some of that ‘elsewhere’ instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waterboy42 9 #3835 Posted June 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, smackdaddy said: This is the crux of it. If these "spies" of GD's were actually MBIE there's a lot more going on that we've yet seen. Think about it - did MBIE put these guys in there "under cover". GD said they only started suspecting this "spying" around December - and ran their own traps to find them. Then you see the "whislteblower" term - then you have this letter. As I said, I think there are going to be more shoes to drop here. And none of it looks good for GD. Who said the "spies" were MBIE appointees... Not likely Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waterboy42 9 #3836 Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) GD was front footing todays sensational press story with a headline of his own (i.e.- Spy story yesterday) GD says he appointed the whistle-spies. That makes it far more likely to be Indio's stated pair than MBIE appointed auditors Edited June 30, 2020 by waterboy42 Correction Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #3837 Posted June 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, waterboy42 said: Who said the "spies" were MBIE appointees... Not likely An NZ Herald article named the company that MBIE hired to oversee the ACE books. Because of NZ whistleblower laws to protect them, nobody in NZ will name them but TE did, during his Sailing Illustrated Show today, which he believes from NZ sources are the correct names. Employees of the legal/auditor/accounting outfit working for MBIE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,119 #3838 Posted June 30, 2020 Just let it play out lads. No one is fleeing the country for Monaco at the moment and there’s plenty of attention from the gov to not sweep this under. Again to reiterate. You can be a whistleblower. You can also be spying for another competitor. The difference is whether you’re reporting the alleged conduct to the proper authorities or random non-gov competitors. It won’t be hard to figure out who is going to be in trouble. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xlot 689 #3839 Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Stingray~ said: X? They seem to be treating it with humor “Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta” (ask Clean) Their comment is Kiwis are generally clumsy and out of step when having to deal with Cup politics. But when they get on the water .. FareVela’s take: ETNZ doubt - victims of a scam or improper use of public funds? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #3840 Posted July 1, 2020 36 minutes ago, Xlot said: “Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta” (ask Clean) Their comment is Kiwis are generally clumsy and out of step when having to deal with Cup politics. But when they get on the water .. FareVela’s take: ETNZ doubt - victims of a scam or improper use of public funds? Thnx. No mention of a possible LR/PRADA connection? TE hinted at something in passing but I was distracted when he did and missed the subtlety. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #3841 Posted July 1, 2020 The $3M was ‘not a loan’ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12344613 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,082 #3842 Posted July 1, 2020 14 hours ago, WakaNZ said: B1 Te Aihe B.5 Te Kahu B2. Te ???? I am going with Te He.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #3844 Posted July 1, 2020 40 minutes ago, Hawke said: The scammed funds simply needed to be replaced by other revenue at ACE. Good material. But on this snipped part, just for fun: the money was sent to Hungary.... https://www.sailweb.co.uk/2020/06/30/americas-cup-team-defrauded-by-scammers/ Did LE ever have money problems? I saw him one evening at an AC event in San Diego with two young Eastern European ladies (twins, it appeared) he’d flown down with for the eve, on a private jet, on short notice about if they would even show up that eve or not, with Guns and Roses (was it?) already there in case he did. $3M was the very last thing on his mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #3845 Posted July 1, 2020 ??? The Herald reports the Crown has made a thinly-veiled threat to withhold the next tranche of taxpayer funding, revealed in a confidential letter. https://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=314318 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 454 #3846 Posted July 1, 2020 "The Herald reports" .... Unfortunately the Herald seems to be as reliable as my mates uncle's workmate who heard something down the pub. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smackdaddy 295 #3847 Posted July 1, 2020 40 minutes ago, Hawke said: Smackdaddy from what I've read of your posts... Piss off newb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #3848 Posted July 1, 2020 https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2020/07/america-s-cup-2021-team-new-zealand-investigated-over-public-money-in-hungarian-bank-account-report.html Serious allegations of fraud at Team New Zealand have emerged, with claims public money was mishandled. Auckland Council and the Ministry of Business, Innovation, and Employment (MBIE) are alleging a $3 million loan given to Team New Zealand has been reclassified and linked to a Hungarian bank account, according to a letter seen by NZME. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WakaNZ 89 #3849 Posted July 1, 2020 6 hours ago, Stingray~ said: more https://www.nzherald.co.nz/americas-cup/news/article.cfm?c_id=531&objectid=12344408&ref=rss Just got sent some more intel... seems M&C may not to be sleeping well at night... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smackdaddy 295 #3850 Posted July 1, 2020 Quote The email scam which resulted in the payment to a fraudulent Hungarian bank account was... ...as we now know in retrospect, the oldest scam on the internet. However, because the Prince who sent that email was from Hungary - and not Nigeria - we had full confidence that it was a legitimate offer. The terms were very satisfactory to our Board and CEO, who signed the approval for a payment of $1M to the sender, Prince Álmos; to be wired to his anonymous bank account. Prince Álmos assured us, many times, that this "fee" was necessary to release the $250M that the Hungarian Government had set aside for the AC36 event - out of the monarchy's love for the Cup based on Hungary's long and storied maritime history. Obviously, this transaction would have immediately reimbursed the NZ Government for its huge financial losses on this event. So there was little to discuss. It was seen as a great deal for all involved. ETNZ had finally found its secondary sponsor, and we were already planning clever, free-to-air cross-promotions between McDonalds and Hungary. Everyone was lovin' it.. However, after not hearing back from Prince Álmos for several months post-payment, we began to grow suspicious that there were spies everywhere. So we started blaming the accountants and whistling loudly, hoping no one would notice. It's quite okay, though. Not to worry. We'll simply replace this loss with all the money we will be losing on the event itself. Nothing to see here. Hey, look, the majestic Te Aihe is on (oops under) the water! PetieB has a new mansion! For ourselves! And all that.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #3851 Posted July 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, smackdaddy said: ...as we now know in retrospect, the oldest scam on the internet. I wonder what the invoice was supposedly to pay for? Wierd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #3852 Posted July 1, 2020 32 minutes ago, WakaNZ said: Just got sent some more intel... seems M&C may not to be sleeping well at night... ??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MR.CLEAN 3,813 #3853 Posted July 1, 2020 that's funny smack. finally something. those online comedy classes are paying off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smackdaddy 295 #3854 Posted July 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: I wonder what the invoice was supposedly to pay for? Wierd. Whatever it was, GD said he signed it without looking at all the "noughts and ones on the bank account" - whatever that means. Sounds very fiduciary. Top-notch management. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
desprit 59 #3855 Posted July 1, 2020 One has to wonder whether or not M&C are on the same payroll as Smackdaddy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,221 #3856 Posted July 1, 2020 27 minutes ago, smackdaddy said: Whatever it was, GD said he signed it without looking at all the "noughts and ones on the bank account" - whatever that means. Sounds very fiduciary. Top-notch management. To give him credit, perhaps he thought the account had been vetted before it came across his desk? The concern for MBIE and their possible disagreement with ETNZ (Dalton) appears to be mostly about ‘how’ the taxpayer money is being spent, including maybe ETNZ salaries draining from ACE money instead of from ETNZ funds. One article suggested that ETNZ Designer salaries were being paid out of MBIE funds, even with an excuse for it having been done ‘in the event’s better interests’ or somesuch? There’s also a chance that ACE funds are in trouble. NZ and Auckland committed a lot but it was up to ETNZ to raise the rest of the event’s sponsorship, maybe PRADA has not come through as big as had been predicted? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailbydate 2,386 #3857 Posted July 1, 2020 This is getting very old, very quickly. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chesirecat 433 #3858 Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Stingray~ said: I wonder what the invoice was supposedly to pay for? Wierd. Foils would fit the bill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NSP 125 #3859 Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Stingray~ said: I wonder what the invoice was supposedly to pay for? Wierd. Obviously GD's nanny 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RantyDave 11 #3860 Posted July 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Hawke said: The scammed funds simply needed to be replaced by other revenue at ACE. Officially now sick of Grant Dalton. The funds "simply" need replacing with another million bucks or however much it was. Fuck off, seriously. There's something that smells like bullshit coming off this whole thing. For one, doesn't their bank need more than one person to sign off on a transfer? Secondly, if someone screws up - even really really badly - you basically can't fire them under New Zealand law. Last but not least, "financial mismanagement" is exactly what this is. It's in March. There's a very real danger we won't even be letting people in by then. This is going to be a fucking disaster. Shiiiiiit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tornado-Cat 804 #3861 Posted July 1, 2020 We don't know much about this story but it smells like a star designer or sailor asked to be paid in a fiscal paradise through Hungrary. GD had to accept, probably a small amount of a few hundred thousands, which is nothing in any private organization but is more problematic with public money and a public thinking they are the virgin Mary. Jim Ratcliffe must be laughing his ass off. Anyway, whatever it is, it's not the best ingredient for team spirit, mainly when we get to know the beneficiary. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,077 #3862 Posted July 1, 2020 Grants a bean counter and looking at the exchange rate our missing $3million Kiwi roubles are now worth $611 million Forint so all good. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phill_nz 638 #3863 Posted July 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, Hawke said: judging from your posts my knowledge and experience of sailing is light years ahead of yours. c'mon no shooting fish in a barrel here please Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,077 #3864 Posted July 1, 2020 All a bit sloppy Minister not able to explain how much has been spent to date on AC36. At least his incompetence is consistent as Minister of Housing he was incapable of delivering any of the 100,000 homes he promised and was charged to deliver. No freeze on public money to Team NZ or America's Cup despite claims of improper spending https://nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12344701 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fish7yu 409 #3865 Posted July 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Stingray~ said: I wonder what the invoice was supposedly to pay for? Wierd. America's Cup fraud allegations: NZ, Hungarian police investigating alleged scam A payment from ACE to a Hungarian bank account has been described by Dalton as a "100 per cent external scam" which it reported to MBIE and the police as soon as it emerged. Dalton said a hacker, believed to be in Europe, gained access to material belonging to a European-based television contractor, including details of contracts and when payments were due to be made. The team received an email believed to be from the contractor just ahead of a scheduled payment, advising of a new – Hungarian – bank account to which the payment should be made. A seven-figure sum was paid in accordance with the contract and the alarm was raised only some weeks later when the contractor inquired about a missing payment. Dalton said it transpired the hacker had altered one character in the contractor's email address, which advised of the changed account. Only a portion of the payment had been recovered following police investigations in New Zealand and Europe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,119 #3866 Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Hawke said: I for one am confident as I haven't bought into Adern's fear factor contest. I don’t want to get into a debate re NZ politics. But... let me assure you. covid19 is hell. We’ve been in the thick of it since March. Our situation is getting worse. Please, and I can’t overstate it. Enjoy being able to go out and eat in a bar or not have to worry whether this is the week your clinical provider partner is going to catch it and whether she (with asthma) can survive. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thetruth 43 #3867 Posted July 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hawke said: What situation? The facts are that although those infected is arising the mortality rate of those infected is declining. Yes even in the USA. Thanks Don 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miffy 2,119 #3868 Posted July 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Hawke said: What situation? The facts are that although those infected is arising the mortality rate of those infected is declining. Yes even in the USA. Rate is not a good indicator because 1) testing sets the denominator and the clinical and political system re who gets tested has been controversial. 2) even those who survive, many have lingering health challenges that we don’t know much about at the moment. Someone can survive one round. Lose immunity in 8 months and die in the second. Or after then catching the flu. we just don’t know what we don’t know. I don’t want to mess up this thread. There’s another forum for that. But take care and enjoy the gift you’ve been given and what many have sacrificed to maintain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPEARO 54 #3869 Posted July 1, 2020 back to the actual sailing - I watched ETNZ's AC75 sail a simulated race on the inner course this afternoon in 10kn SW breeze. Simulated pre start entry and a couple of laps, using Orakei bouy as the windward mark. I took a 3min video showing last two tacks into the top mark, the rounding (including flying through a fleet of 29ers at the top mark) and first gybe downwind (iPhone camera so no point as they got further away). Any idea how to compress the video from iPhone and load here (seems max 10mb)? I cut in half but still too big. They looked super stable in pretty light breeze, suprisingly big tacking angles though to stay foiling. Were doing dry laps. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chesirecat 433 #3870 Posted July 1, 2020 "A seven-figure sum was paid in accordance with the contract and the alarm was raised only some weeks later when the contractor inquired about a missing payment." "some weeks" ????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenergy 454 #3871 Posted July 1, 2020 23 minutes ago, Hawke said: I assure you I am not a Trump supporter. He is an idiot. But explain this the rest of the world is opening their borders and still have community transmission. Why? Two reasons - the increase in new cases is not having an impact on health services nor causing more deaths; Secondly the economic cost and the consequences is starting to far outweigh the health cost. Theres a whole thread to discuss this. But it is WAY too early to be making these grand statements, we can talk again in a month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maxmini 61 #3872 Posted July 1, 2020 29 minutes ago, Hawke said: I assure you I am not a Trump supporter. He is an idiot. But explain this the rest of the world is opening their borders and still have community transmission. Why? Two reasons - the increase in new cases is not having an impact on health services nor causing more deaths; Secondly the economic cost and the consequences is starting to far outweigh the health cost. Europe and Canada are preparing to bar any entry from the USA . The percentage of those that die once they have become infected is now up to 5% and climbing . This info is 2 days old . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikenz2 1,536 #3873 Posted July 1, 2020 The team must have used all the daylight today. Shore crew packing up in the dark. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fish7yu 409 #3874 Posted July 1, 2020 37 minutes ago, SPEARO said: back to the actual sailing - I watched ETNZ's AC75 sail a simulated race on the inner course this afternoon in 10kn SW breeze. Simulated pre start entry and a couple of laps, using Orakei bouy as the windward mark. I took a 3min video showing last two tacks into the top mark, the rounding (including flying through a fleet of 29ers at the top mark) and first gybe downwind (iPhone camera so no point as they got further away). Any idea how to compress the video from iPhone and load here (seems max 10mb)? I cut in half but still too big. They looked super stable in pretty light breeze, suprisingly big tacking angles though to stay foiling. Were doing dry laps. May be upload the video onto YouTube? then provide the YouTube link here. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
astro 720 #3875 Posted July 1, 2020 3 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said: that's funny smack. finally something. those online comedy classes are paying off. You read it ... why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPEARO 54 #3876 Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, SPEARO said: back to the actual sailing - I watched ETNZ's AC75 sail a simulated race on the inner course this afternoon in 10kn SW breeze. Simulated pre start entry and a couple of laps, using Orakei bouy as the windward mark. I took a 3min video showing last two tacks into the top mark, the rounding (including flying through a fleet of 29ers at the top mark) and first gybe downwind (iPhone camera so no point as they got further away). Any idea how to compress the video from iPhone and load here (seems max 10mb)? I cut in half but still too big. They looked super stable in pretty light breeze, suprisingly big tacking angles though to stay foiling. Were doing dry laps. Rubbish quality due to iPhone to Youtube, and to not give the spies any details. But gives a pretty good idea of racing geometry from almost an upwind position relative to the 'course' 13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teaky 140 #3877 Posted July 1, 2020 They must be quite confident in the controls to rinse about in a fleet of 9ers like that. Perhaps the pre-starts will be interesting after all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 926 #3878 Posted July 1, 2020 Unsubstantiated money/funding chat about INEOS ETNZ... hold my beer. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 994 #3879 Posted July 1, 2020 This whole thing is getting more comical by the day! So ETNZ/ ACE owed money to these contractors, but then got scammed and transferred the money to a fraudulent Hungarian Bank account. The contractors then, after not receiving their money decided to try and defame Dalton and ETNZ by leakING sensitive financial And structural information to Europe? Which then got sent straight back to Dalton Who then fired them? Seems like these guys are very amateur whistleblowers. They couldn’t read the situation and instead of gaining leverage, they just got fired. They sure as hell aren’t getting their jobs back, as they’ve leaked confidential sensitive financial information. Why didn’t they leak it to the the National Party? This would’ve been front page headlines! National would’ve had a field day after the border debacle! Amateurs smh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thetruth 43 #3880 Posted July 1, 2020 I used to get involved in all of this and the reason I got involved again was the fact that Franklyspeaking (cool name bro just another way of telling the truth) left the clue to all of this and no one ran with it. Same old shit with the same dumb arse people................. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KiwiJoker 314 #3881 Posted July 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Stingray~ said: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2020/07/america-s-cup-2021-team-new-zealand-investigated-over-public-money-in-hungarian-bank-account-report.html Serious allegations of fraud at Team New Zealand have emerged, with claims public money was mishandled. Auckland Council and the Ministry of Business, Innovation, and Employment (MBIE) are alleging a $3 million loan given to Team New Zealand has been reclassified and linked to a Hungarian bank account, according to a letter seen by NZME. Lewis and McCrae, the two newshounds at Newshub responsible for this bullshit, should turn in their press cards and look for other work. We're told therer are 1,000 jobs gong begging right now on Kiwi dairy farms. Hey, these no-nothings are good at shovelling shit and they could benefit from some fresh country air. And you should lay off the late night turps and try and follow the story instead of favoring us with your highly speculative flights of fancy. The $3 million was a progress payment to an international TV company contracted to the Cup. A scammer intercepted email communications and then fudged an invoice with incorrect account numbers. Some of the cash has been retrieved. The individual who drafted the wire transfer and gave it to Dalton is now looking for another job. At least that's what I get out of the flood of fact and fancy here. At least you're not alone in jumping to unrealistic conclusions. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KiwiJoker 314 #3882 Posted July 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said: We don't know much about this story but it smells like a star designer or sailor asked to be paid in a fiscal paradise through Hungrary. GD had to accept, probably a small amount of a few hundred thousands, which is nothing in any private organization but is more problematic with public money and a public thinking they are the virgin Mary. Jim Ratcliffe must be laughing his ass off. Anyway, whatever it is, it's not the best ingredient for team spirit, mainly when we get to know the beneficiary. T-C - Read, and try to fucking understand. This piece was posted three hours before your wild speculation EMIRATES TEAM NEW ZEALAND RESPONDS TO ALLEGATIONS IN THE MBIE AND COUNCIL LETTER OF JUNE 22 You'll find it at post #3843. Of course it was penned by Grant Dalton so you don't have to believe every word. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KiwiJoker 314 #3883 Posted July 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Miffy said: I don’t want to get into a debate re NZ politics. But... let me assure you. covid19 is hell. We’ve been in the thick of it since March. Our situation is getting worse. Please, and I can’t overstate it. Enjoy being able to go out and eat in a bar or not have to worry whether this is the week your clinical provider partner is going to catch it and whether she (with asthma) can survive. Hey Miffy, best wishes for you and your brave partner making it through this ghastly period in world history. I try to stay current with global Covid news and. it is not encouraging. I'm so grateful that I live in NZ and that I'm protected by a concerned government. As a senior with multiple "underlying conditions" I would be setting sail for Fiddlers' Green if infected. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rh3000 1,468 #3884 Posted July 1, 2020 Saw them out today, man the boat can shift... they are turning around videos plenty fast too... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GBH 64 #3885 Posted July 1, 2020 39 minutes ago, KiwiJoker said: Of course it was penned by Grant Dalton so you don't have to believe every word. Wonder if he has a Hungarian account;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobG 671 #3886 Posted July 1, 2020 4 hours ago, SPEARO said: Any idea how to compress the video from iPhone and load here (seems max 10mb)? I cut in half but still too big. Better to post in on YouTube (which will also compress and optimise it for various platforms) and link to it from here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,052 #3887 Posted July 1, 2020 6 hours ago, Hawke said: What situation? The facts are that although those infected is arising the mortality rate of those infected is declining. Yes even in the USA. Keep your fucking diatribe regards covid in the covid forum newbie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buckdouger 235 #3888 Posted July 1, 2020 7 hours ago, mikenz2 said: The team must have used all the daylight today. Shore crew packing up in the dark. Lately I am thinking ETNZ B2 will move toward the other team's boats in the forward aerodynamics characteristics with more rounded topsides and a smaller bow overall. I expect the other teams will move toward the skeg or bustle, not sure which. If anything is to be gleaned from Te Kahu, maybe the skeg. Anyone care to guess or even better, draw a B2 concept? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
