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35 minutes ago, fish7yu said:

They lawyered up very promptly and are now invoking whistle-blower status under their legal advice to claim name protection under our Whistleblowing legislation. ETNZ lawyers should be going through the NDAs with a view to suing the informants. 

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4 minutes ago, WakaNZ said:

B1    Te Aihe 

B.5   Te Kahu

B2.   Te ????

 

 

Te Mako

Te Mangopare

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te karearea

te maki

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1 hour ago, WakaNZ said:

B1    Te Aihe 

B.5   Te Kahu

B2.   Te ????

 

 

Te Real Deal :blink:

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Te Ariki. The chief.

Te kera wera, the orca

Or McSomething.

Or, ask aucklanders, they came up with the Blues. 

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On 6/30/2020 at 4:58 AM, phill_nz said:

some of their client list from https://www.mayoandcalder.com/about-us

Our partnersHips

Tourism New Zealand
Pernod Ricard
DHL
Coca Cola Amatil
AON
Mighty River Power
Mainfreight
NZME
Fairfax
Heineken
Feenix
Willis Insurance
Volvo Group
Volvo Cars
Hyundai
Audi
Vocus
Ministry of Business and Economic Innovation
Hong Kong Sailing Federation
Long Burroughs
Minter Ellison Watts

Auckland Tourism Events and Economic Development
Auckland Council
Turners and Growers
Jucy Rentals
Contact Energy
Banklink
Puma
Samsung
Sport NZ
Emirates Team New Zealand
Minter Ellison Watts New Zealand
Volvo Ocean Race
TVNZ
Sky Sports
Peroni
Hong Kong Government
Heineken
Adidas
Nike
China Southern Airlines
Panasonic
Government of Victoria

Treasury Wine Estates
2XU
Asics
Air New Zealand
Hamilton Council
Villa Maria
Waipa District Council
Douglas Pharmaceuticals
Athletics New Zealand
Port Taranaki
Balance nutrition
Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron
Cookson Boats
Southern Spas
Doyle Sails
DriPhone
Vodafone
DB Breweries
Royal Hong Kong Yacht Club
Vinda

 

even just the ones from the yachting world would be a hefty base to lose

there are as well many who support etnz .. and even more who would not want to be seen as anti etnz

That is a very comprehensive list of high-powered clients "partnerships" which includes some big multinational companies, for a two-man company registered just 5 years ago, with no physical address except an accountant's office as the address for service, no contact details except a website, and seemingly with no employees!! I wonder what they did for all those big names listed?

The two principals Thomas Mayo and Grant Calder have rather interesting backgrounds. Thomas Mayo is a yank out of California and is a principal of SOS Hydration (with family members back in the US), and has SOS Hydration NZ Ltd and Mayo And Limited in addition to Mayo & Calder Ltd., and appears to live in a modest brick 'n tile in Ellerslie whick looks like a rental property.

Grant Calder has his own Calder Consultancy company touted as "Event, recreational or promotional, management", with the same accountant's address for service as Mayo&Calder.

Make of it what you will :ph34r:

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Heh. I hate to say I told you so....

Actually, no I don't.

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52 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said:

A very detailed description of various allegations: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12344399

This would seem to confirm the whistle-blowing party given the law firm mentioned is on the list of "partnerships".  It may be an all-mighty coincidence, but that seems unlikely.

This looks very, very messy for GD.

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Just watch it play out - tho it should be mentioned:

1) whistleblowing/corporate espionage are not mutually exclusive - one can for example be leaking completely inappropriate matters to a competitor with no business of knowing, while also observing impropriety & handing that information to government/ethic authorities. 

2) nationality will likely have very little to do with it - let's not pretend Kiwis haven't defected to larger employers and taken special joy in fucking over past teammates/domestic adversaries; or entertained to gain special favor with deep pockets abroad with the hope it'll provide a payday. 

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9 hours ago, WakaNZ said:

B1    Te Aihe 

B.5   Te Kahu

B2.   Te ????

 

 

Te Loot.

Where  is Te Loot Grant.

Crikey this thing is a mess.

Dalton points to a contender involvement now says ETNZ was defrauded scammed loot in Hungary not returning wtf.

A quick look around the AC infrastructure paid for by the public purse certainly appears light to say the least.

ETNZ and ACE have received in excess of $270 mil time for the books to be opened urgently me thinks without hiding behind the cloak of commercial sensitivity.

 

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28 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

Te Loot.

Where  is Te Loot Grant.

Crikey this thing is a mess.

Dalton points to a contender involvement now says ETNZ was defrauded scammed loot in Hungary not returning wtf.

A quick look around the AC infrastructure paid for by the public purse certainly appears light to say the least.

ETNZ and ACE have received in excess of $270 mil time for the books to be opened urgently me thinks without hiding behind the cloak of commercial sensitivity.

 

It shouldn't be difficult in this era of covid international lockdown to keep everyone involved in NZ & investigate the facts and ascertain who was involved and did what. 

For example, if the payment to the alleged Hungarian account was made supposedly to a contractor but fraudulent account, it shouldn't be difficult to find out 1) what the contractor/vendor was supposed to be doing; 2) whether genuine services & payments were ever made; and 3) which individuals were involved in authorizing and processing said payment. You wouldn't expect for example, a CEO who signs the checks to have knowledge of bank routing numbers and SWIFT codes - OTOH if your financial/comptroller director questioned the payment and the CEO pushed it thru? That's a diff matter altogether. 

Let's hope the transparency and low level of corruption NZ is known for continues.

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1 hour ago, BSPN said:

This would seem to confirm the whistle-blowing party given the law firm mentioned is on the list of "partnerships".  It may be an all-mighty coincidence, but that seems unlikely.

This looks very, very messy for GD.

More disconcerting is how easily they were scammed into paying money into a scammer's Hungarian bank account - we hear this happening to elderly superannuitants but to a "professional" outfit?

 

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37 minutes ago, Miffy said:

Let's hope the transparency and low level of corruption NZ was known for returns.

FIFY

As I said many weeks ago, the $250M poured into this debacle by the government is mostly wasted now...and the damage is obviously growing worse by the day. They are not going to limp away quietly because GD leads a bunch of deluded KiWhingersTM in a rousing rendition of "For Ourselves".

This is about as bad as it gets. The knives are obviously out now in KiwiLand.

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35 minutes ago, Indio said:

More disconcerting is how easily they were scammed into paying money into a scammer's Hungarian bank account - we hear this happening to elderly superannuitants but to a "professional" outfit?

 

Will have to see whether it was an insider job or something else going on. Corporate scams that I’ve heard of tend to be surprisingly easy if the right person is compromised - e.g. finance director/comptroller who routinely delivers payment approval slips and the leadership’s role in signing it off is supposed to be a mere formality or approval re whether payment schedule for services rendered or product is appropriate. 
 

You wouldn’t expect a CEO to get nitty gritty checking account numbers and swift codes. 

31 minutes ago, smackdaddy said:

FIFY

As I said many weeks ago, the $250M poured into this debacle by the government is mostly wasted now...and the damage is obviously growing worse by the day. They are not going to limp away quietly because GD leads a bunch of deluded KiWhingersTM in a rousing rendition of "For Ourselves".

This is about as bad as it gets. The knives are obviously out now in KiwiLand.

I don’t know you and don’t know what’s your relationship with New Zealand - but as I said, let it play out and don’t assume a massive conspiracy from the onset. In this time in particular, I don’t understand why you’re carrying on with a sense of schadenfreude when literally EVERYONE is hoping to have something good for a change. Covid is wrecking the Americas at the moment and even Americans want to see a happy AC event. 

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11 minutes ago, Miffy said:

 

I don’t know you and don’t know what’s your relationship with New Zealand - but as I said, let it play out and don’t assume a massive conspiracy from the onset. In this time in particular, I don’t understand why you’re carrying on with a sense of schadenfreude when literally EVERYONE is hoping to have something good for a change. Covid is wrecking the Americas at the moment and even Americans want to see a happy AC event. 

Spamdaddy only posts on this forum as a troll. Best ignored. 

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While not wanting to downplay the more serious allegations, the Town-Tremain letter also includes "operational & safety concerns" around numbers of on-water marshals and crowd management!

What the hell?

What kind of "whistleblower" would list that, something that is still under negotiation and is ultimately in the hands of the Harbourmaster?

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24 minutes ago, Miffy said:

I don’t know you and don’t know what’s your relationship with New Zealand - but as I said, let it play out and don’t assume a massive conspiracy from the onset. In this time in particular, I don’t understand why you’re carrying on with a sense of schadenfreude when literally EVERYONE is hoping to have something good for a change. Covid is wrecking the Americas at the moment and even Americans want to see a happy AC event. 

Well, it's simple really, Miff. This forum has been neck-deep in out-of-control Kiwi Self Righteousness and Ragging On Others for years now. While it turns out things have not been as shiny as advertised under the Emirati tent - just as I've been saying for a good while. Hence, a bit of very well-deserved schade here and there for the freude.

As for "assuming a massive conspiracy" - it appears you should have that conversation with those who wrote that letter - not me.

This thing smells to high heaven. For example, why does GD keep calling these "spies" in his midst "informants"? And now "whistleblowers"? Very different things. Shoes will keep dropping - and heads will likely roll. There has been too much money lost for everyone to simply "hope for something good".

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32 minutes ago, weta27 said:

While not wanting to downplay the more serious allegations, the Town-Tremain letter also includes "operational & safety concerns" around numbers of on-water marshals and crowd management!

What the hell?

What kind of "whistleblower" would list that, something that is still under negotiation and is ultimately in the hands of the Harbourmaster?

It's called distraction - they must be fans of the corrupt dotard in the White House.

Coincidentally, The White House used to be a very "adventurous" strip joint up the top of Queen Street in a former Orthodox Jewish synagogueB) - really!! It still had all the wall and ceiling religious murals...

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Sounds like it was quite a juicy piece of bait that was left hanging and ended up being gulped by the fish which subsequently got hooked as the sharp bit came out the brown end. 

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If they suspected 6 months ago, they’ve probably been intentionally feeding the (alleged) “whistleblowers” wrong information for months, just to see if they’d spread it. 

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2 hours ago, smackdaddy said:

They are not going to limp away quietly because GD leads a bunch of deluded KiWhingersTM in a rousing rendition of "For Ourselves".

:D Funny

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1 hour ago, smackdaddy said:

Well, it's simple really, Miff. This forum has been neck-deep in out-of-control Kiwi Self Righteousness and Ragging On Others for years now. While it turns out things have not been as shiny as advertised under the Emirati tent - just as I've been saying for a good while. Hence, a bit of very well-deserved schade here and there for the freude.

As for "assuming a massive conspiracy" - it appears you should have that conversation with those who wrote that letter - not me.

This thing smells to high heaven. For example, why does GD keep calling these "spies" in his midst "informants"? And now "whistleblowers"? Very different things. Shoes will keep dropping - and heads will likely roll. There has been too much money lost for everyone to simply "hope for something good".

You must either live the most carefree indifferent to the world sort of life and looking for conflict with one of the most benign 4 million peoples around or struggling with the most bitter experiences in a dark dark place. Either way - best of luck to you. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, smackdaddy said:

This thing smells to high heaven. For example, why does GD keep calling these "spies" in his midst "informants"? And now "whistleblowers"? Very different things. Shoes will keep dropping - and heads will likely roll. There has been too much money lost for everyone to simply "hope for something good".

It does have the potential to get bad, especially if it gets into being a political and PR fight between the Labor and National parties, over (mis)use of taxpayer money. 

But I figure the thing is a bit overblown, unfortunately an own goal in part by GD, for using the clickbait term ‘spies’ when the guys were apparently there for MBIE to be auditors. The money was probably not large, not being siphoned off to GD or Shoebie, or to other ETNZ salaries. 

The ‘Hungary’ angle is very funny, actually! :D Nobody knows how to speak Hungarian to interview them, and nobody even knows their names, and GD says he has Interpol all over the case anyway, so it’s in their hands now :D
 

 

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15 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

But I figure the thing is a bit overblown, unfortunately an own goal in part by GD, for using the clickbait term ‘spies’ when the guys were apparently there for MBIE to be auditors.

This is the crux of it. If these "spies" of GD's were actually MBIE there's a lot more going on that we've yet seen. Think about it - did MBIE put these guys in there "under cover". GD said they only started suspecting this "spying" around December - and ran their own traps to find them. Then you see the "whislteblower" term - then you have this letter. As I said, I think there are going to be more shoes to drop here. And none of it looks good for GD.

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1 minute ago, smackdaddy said:

As I said, I think there are going to be more shoes to drop here. And none of it looks good for GD.

Yes, GD has followed the ‘a good defense is a better offense’ line and has (for now) gotten out in front of the situation by labeling his perceived enemies as ‘spies’ (and who the hell likes ‘spies’ lol) but if MBIE produces (as one guy said they would do) some findings from their investigation then it’ll likely be relatively small potatoes. Disagreements about how many chase boats to buy and run, is an example GD gave in a radio interview today, he wants to spend some of that ‘elsewhere’ instead. 

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7 minutes ago, smackdaddy said:

This is the crux of it. If these "spies" of GD's were actually MBIE there's a lot more going on that we've yet seen. Think about it - did MBIE put these guys in there "under cover". GD said they only started suspecting this "spying" around December - and ran their own traps to find them. Then you see the "whislteblower" term - then you have this letter. As I said, I think there are going to be more shoes to drop here. And none of it looks good for GD.

Who said the "spies" were MBIE appointees... Not likely

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GD was front footing todays sensational press story with a headline of his own (i.e.- Spy story yesterday)

GD says he appointed the whistle-spies. That makes it far more likely to be Indio's stated pair than MBIE appointed auditors

Edited by waterboy42
Correction

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13 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

Who said the "spies" were MBIE appointees... Not likely

An NZ Herald article named the company that MBIE hired to oversee the ACE books. 
 

Because of NZ whistleblower laws to protect them, nobody in NZ will name them but TE did, during his Sailing Illustrated Show today, which he believes from NZ sources are the correct names. Employees of the legal/auditor/accounting outfit working for MBIE.

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Just let it play out lads. No one is fleeing the country for Monaco at the moment and there’s plenty of attention from the gov to not sweep this under. 
 

Again to reiterate. You can be a whistleblower. You can also be spying for another competitor. The difference is whether you’re reporting the alleged conduct to the proper authorities or random non-gov competitors. It won’t be hard to figure out who is going to be in trouble. 

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1 hour ago, Stingray~ said:

X? They seem to be treating it with humor

 

 

“Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta” (ask Clean)

Their comment is Kiwis are generally clumsy and out of step when having to deal with Cup politics. But when they get on the water ..

 

FareVela’s take: ETNZ doubt - victims of a scam or improper use of public funds?

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36 minutes ago, Xlot said:

 

“Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta” (ask Clean)

Their comment is Kiwis are generally clumsy and out of step when having to deal with Cup politics. But when they get on the water ..

 

FareVela’s take: ETNZ doubt - victims of a scam or improper use of public funds?

Thnx. No mention of a possible LR/PRADA connection? TE hinted at something in passing but I was distracted when he did and missed the subtlety.

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40 minutes ago, Hawke said:

The scammed funds simply needed to be replaced by other revenue at ACE.

Good material.

But on this snipped part, just for fun:

the money was sent to Hungary....

https://www.sailweb.co.uk/2020/06/30/americas-cup-team-defrauded-by-scammers/

Did LE ever have money problems? :D I saw him one evening at an AC event in San Diego with two young Eastern European ladies (twins, it appeared) he’d flown down with for the eve, on a private jet, on short notice about if they would even show up that eve or not, with Guns and Roses (was it?) already there in case he did. $3M was the very last thing on his mind. 

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"The Herald reports" ....

Unfortunately the Herald seems to be as reliable as my mates uncle's workmate who heard something down the pub. 

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40 minutes ago, Hawke said:

Smackdaddy from what I've read of your posts...

Piss off newb.

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https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2020/07/america-s-cup-2021-team-new-zealand-investigated-over-public-money-in-hungarian-bank-account-report.html

Serious allegations of fraud at Team New Zealand have emerged, with claims public money was mishandled.

Auckland Council and the Ministry of Business, Innovation, and Employment (MBIE) are alleging a $3 million loan given to Team New Zealand has been reclassified and linked to a Hungarian bank account, according to a letter seen by NZME.

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The email scam which resulted in the payment to a fraudulent Hungarian bank account was...

...as we now know in retrospect, the oldest scam on the internet. However, because the Prince who sent that email was from Hungary - and not Nigeria - we had full confidence that it was a legitimate offer. The terms were very satisfactory to our Board and CEO, who signed the approval for a payment of $1M to the sender, Prince Álmos; to be wired to his anonymous bank account. Prince Álmos assured us, many times, that this "fee" was necessary to release the $250M that the Hungarian Government had set aside for the AC36 event - out of the monarchy's love for the Cup based on Hungary's long and storied maritime history. Obviously, this transaction would have immediately reimbursed the NZ Government for its huge financial losses on this event. So there was little to discuss. It was seen as a great deal for all involved. ETNZ had finally found its secondary sponsor, and we were already planning clever, free-to-air cross-promotions between McDonalds and Hungary. Everyone was lovin' it.. However, after not hearing back from Prince Álmos for several months post-payment, we began to grow suspicious that there were spies everywhere. So we started blaming the accountants and whistling loudly, hoping no one would notice.

It's quite okay, though. Not to worry. We'll simply replace this loss with all the money we will be losing on the event itself. Nothing to see here. Hey, look, the majestic Te Aihe is on (oops under) the water! PetieB has a new mansion! For ourselves! And all that....

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24 minutes ago, smackdaddy said:

...as we now know in retrospect, the oldest scam on the internet.

I wonder what the invoice was supposedly to pay for? Wierd.

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32 minutes ago, WakaNZ said:

Just got sent some more intel... seems M&C may not to be sleeping well at night...
 

???

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that's funny smack.  finally something.  those online comedy classes are paying off.

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13 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

I wonder what the invoice was supposedly to pay for? Wierd.

Whatever it was, GD said he signed it without looking at all the "noughts and ones on the bank account" - whatever that means. Sounds very fiduciary. Top-notch management.

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One has to wonder whether or not M&C are on the same payroll as Smackdaddy. 

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27 minutes ago, smackdaddy said:

Whatever it was, GD said he signed it without looking at all the "noughts and ones on the bank account" - whatever that means. Sounds very fiduciary. Top-notch management.

To give him credit, perhaps he thought the account had been vetted before it came across his desk? 
 

The concern for MBIE and their possible disagreement with ETNZ (Dalton) appears to be mostly about ‘how’ the taxpayer money is being spent, including maybe ETNZ salaries draining from ACE money instead of from ETNZ funds. One article suggested that ETNZ Designer salaries were being paid out of MBIE funds, even with an excuse for it having been done ‘in the event’s better interests’ or somesuch? 
 

There’s also a chance that ACE funds are in trouble.  NZ and Auckland committed a lot but it was up to ETNZ to raise the rest of the event’s sponsorship, maybe PRADA has not come through as big as had been predicted? 

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This is getting very old, very quickly. 

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1 hour ago, Stingray~ said:

I wonder what the invoice was supposedly to pay for? Wierd.

Foils would fit the bill.

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1 hour ago, Stingray~ said:

I wonder what the invoice was supposedly to pay for? Wierd.

Obviously GD's nanny 

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3 hours ago, Hawke said:

The scammed funds simply needed to be replaced by other revenue at ACE.

Officially now sick of Grant Dalton. The funds "simply" need replacing with another million bucks or however much it was. Fuck off, seriously.

There's something that smells like bullshit coming off this whole thing. For one, doesn't their bank need more than one person to sign off on a transfer? Secondly, if someone screws up - even really really badly - you basically can't fire them under New Zealand law. Last but not least, "financial mismanagement" is exactly what this is.

It's in March. There's a very real danger we won't even be letting people in by then. This is going to be a fucking disaster. Shiiiiiit.

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We don't know much about this story but it smells like a star designer or sailor asked to be paid in a fiscal paradise through Hungrary.

GD had to accept, probably a small amount of a few hundred thousands, which is nothing in any private organization but is more problematic with public money and a public thinking they are the virgin Mary. Jim Ratcliffe must be laughing his ass off.

Anyway, whatever it is, it's not the best ingredient for team spirit, mainly when we get to know the beneficiary.

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Grants a bean counter and looking at the exchange rate our missing $3million Kiwi roubles are now worth $611 million Forint so all good.:P

 

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17 minutes ago, Hawke said:

judging from your posts my knowledge and experience of sailing is light years ahead of yours.

c'mon

no shooting fish in a barrel here please

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All a bit sloppy Minister not able to explain how much has been spent to date on AC36.

At least his incompetence is consistent as Minister of Housing he was incapable of delivering any of the 100,000 homes he promised and was charged to deliver.

No freeze on public money to Team NZ or America's Cup despite claims of improper spending 
https://nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12344701

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2 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

I wonder what the invoice was supposedly to pay for? Wierd.

 

America's Cup fraud allegations: NZ, Hungarian police investigating alleged scam

A payment from ACE to a Hungarian bank account has been described by Dalton as a "100 per cent external scam" which it reported to MBIE and the police as soon as it emerged.

Dalton said a hacker, believed to be in Europe, gained access to material belonging to a European-based television contractor, including details of contracts and when payments were due to be made.

The team received an email believed to be from the contractor just ahead of a scheduled payment, advising of a new – Hungarian – bank account to which the payment should be made.

A seven-figure sum was paid in accordance with the contract and the alarm was raised only some weeks later when the contractor inquired about a missing payment.

Dalton said it transpired the hacker had altered one character in the contractor's email address, which advised of the changed account.

Only a portion of the payment had been recovered following police investigations in New Zealand and Europe.

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1 hour ago, Hawke said:

I for one am confident as I haven't bought into Adern's fear factor contest.

I don’t want to get into a debate re NZ politics. But... let me assure you. 
 

covid19 is hell. We’ve been in the thick of it since March. Our situation is getting worse. 
 

Please, and I can’t overstate it. Enjoy being able to go out and eat in a bar or not have to worry whether this is the week your clinical provider partner is going to catch it and whether she (with asthma) can survive. 

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2 minutes ago, Hawke said:

What situation?  The facts are that although those infected is arising the mortality rate of those infected is declining.  Yes even in the USA.

 

Thanks Don

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6 minutes ago, Hawke said:

What situation?  The facts are that although those infected is arising the mortality rate of those infected is declining.  Yes even in the USA.

 

Rate is not a good indicator because 1) testing sets the denominator and the clinical and political system re who gets tested has been controversial. 2) even those who survive, many have lingering health challenges that we don’t know much about at the moment. Someone can survive one round. Lose immunity in 8 months and die in the second. Or after then catching the flu. 
 

we just don’t know what we don’t know. I don’t want to mess up this thread. There’s another forum for that. But take care and enjoy the gift you’ve been given and what many have sacrificed to maintain. 

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back to the actual sailing - I watched ETNZ's AC75 sail a simulated race on the inner course this afternoon in 10kn SW breeze. Simulated pre start entry and a couple of laps, using Orakei bouy as the windward mark. I took a 3min video showing last two tacks into the top mark, the rounding (including flying through a fleet of 29ers at the top mark) and first gybe downwind (iPhone camera so no point as they got further away).

Any idea how to compress the video from iPhone and load here (seems max 10mb)? I cut in half but still too big.

They looked super stable in pretty light breeze, suprisingly big tacking angles though to stay foiling. Were doing dry laps.

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"A seven-figure sum was paid in accordance with the contract and the alarm was raised only some weeks later when the contractor inquired about a missing payment."

"some weeks"  ?????

 

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23 minutes ago, Hawke said:

I assure you I am not a Trump supporter.  He is an idiot.  But explain this the rest of the world is opening their borders and still have community transmission.  Why?  Two reasons - the increase in new cases is not having an impact on health services nor causing more deaths; Secondly the economic cost and the consequences is starting to far outweigh the health cost.

 

Theres a whole thread to discuss this. 

But it is WAY too early to be making these grand statements, we can talk again in a month.

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29 minutes ago, Hawke said:

I assure you I am not a Trump supporter.  He is an idiot.  But explain this the rest of the world is opening their borders and still have community transmission.  Why?  Two reasons - the increase in new cases is not having an impact on health services nor causing more deaths; Secondly the economic cost and the consequences is starting to far outweigh the health cost.

 

Europe and Canada are preparing to bar any entry from the USA .  The percentage of those that die once they have become infected is now up to 5% and climbing . This info is 2 days old .

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The team must have used all the daylight today. Shore crew packing up in the dark.

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37 minutes ago, SPEARO said:

back to the actual sailing - I watched ETNZ's AC75 sail a simulated race on the inner course this afternoon in 10kn SW breeze. Simulated pre start entry and a couple of laps, using Orakei bouy as the windward mark. I took a 3min video showing last two tacks into the top mark, the rounding (including flying through a fleet of 29ers at the top mark) and first gybe downwind (iPhone camera so no point as they got further away).

Any idea how to compress the video from iPhone and load here (seems max 10mb)? I cut in half but still too big.

They looked super stable in pretty light breeze, suprisingly big tacking angles though to stay foiling. Were doing dry laps.

 

May be upload the video onto YouTube? then provide the YouTube link here.

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3 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

that's funny smack.  finally something.  those online comedy classes are paying off.

You read it ... why?

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1 hour ago, SPEARO said:

back to the actual sailing - I watched ETNZ's AC75 sail a simulated race on the inner course this afternoon in 10kn SW breeze. Simulated pre start entry and a couple of laps, using Orakei bouy as the windward mark. I took a 3min video showing last two tacks into the top mark, the rounding (including flying through a fleet of 29ers at the top mark) and first gybe downwind (iPhone camera so no point as they got further away).

Any idea how to compress the video from iPhone and load here (seems max 10mb)? I cut in half but still too big.

They looked super stable in pretty light breeze, suprisingly big tacking angles though to stay foiling. Were doing dry laps.

Rubbish quality due to iPhone to Youtube, and to not give the spies any details. But gives a pretty good idea of racing geometry from almost an upwind position relative to the 'course' 

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They must be quite confident in the controls to rinse about in a fleet of 9ers like that.  Perhaps the pre-starts will be interesting after all.

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This whole thing is getting more comical by the day! So ETNZ/ ACE owed money to these contractors, but then got scammed and transferred the money to a fraudulent Hungarian Bank account. The contractors then, after not receiving their money decided to try and defame Dalton and ETNZ by leakING sensitive financial And structural information to Europe? Which then got sent straight back to Dalton Who then fired them? Seems like these guys are very amateur whistleblowers. They couldn’t read the situation and instead of gaining leverage, they just got fired. They sure as hell aren’t getting their jobs back, as they’ve leaked confidential sensitive financial information. Why didn’t they leak it to the the National Party? This would’ve been front page headlines! National would’ve had a field day after the border debacle! Amateurs smh

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I used to get involved in all of this and the reason I got involved again was the fact that Franklyspeaking (cool name bro just another way of telling the truth) left the clue to all of this and no one ran with it. Same old shit with the same dumb arse people.................

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7 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2020/07/america-s-cup-2021-team-new-zealand-investigated-over-public-money-in-hungarian-bank-account-report.html

Serious allegations of fraud at Team New Zealand have emerged, with claims public money was mishandled.

Auckland Council and the Ministry of Business, Innovation, and Employment (MBIE) are alleging a $3 million loan given to Team New Zealand has been reclassified and linked to a Hungarian bank account, according to a letter seen by NZME.

Lewis and McCrae, the two newshounds at Newshub responsible for this bullshit, should turn in their press cards and look for other work. We're told therer are 1,000 jobs gong begging right now on Kiwi dairy farms. Hey, these no-nothings are good at shovelling shit and they could benefit from some fresh country air.

And you should lay off the late night turps and try and follow the story instead of favoring us with your highly speculative flights of fancy.

The $3 million was a progress payment to an international TV company contracted to the Cup. A scammer intercepted email communications and then fudged an invoice with incorrect account numbers. Some of the cash has been retrieved. The individual who drafted the wire transfer and gave it to Dalton is now looking for another job.

At least that's what I get out of the flood of fact and fancy here.  At least you're not alone in jumping to unrealistic conclusions.

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5 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

We don't know much about this story but it smells like a star designer or sailor asked to be paid in a fiscal paradise through Hungrary.

GD had to accept, probably a small amount of a few hundred thousands, which is nothing in any private organization but is more problematic with public money and a public thinking they are the virgin Mary. Jim Ratcliffe must be laughing his ass off.

Anyway, whatever it is, it's not the best ingredient for team spirit, mainly when we get to know the beneficiary.

T-C  - Read, and try to fucking understand.  This piece was posted three hours before your wild speculation

EMIRATES TEAM NEW ZEALAND RESPONDS TO ALLEGATIONS IN THE MBIE AND COUNCIL LETTER OF JUNE 22

You'll find it at post #3843.

Of course it was penned by Grant Dalton so you don't have to believe every word.

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4 hours ago, Miffy said:

I don’t want to get into a debate re NZ politics. But... let me assure you. 

covid19 is hell. We’ve been in the thick of it since March. Our situation is getting worse. 

Please, and I can’t overstate it. Enjoy being able to go out and eat in a bar or not have to worry whether this is the week your clinical provider partner is going to catch it and whether she (with asthma) can survive. 

Hey Miffy, best wishes for you and your brave partner making it through this ghastly period in world history. 

I try to stay current with global Covid news and. it is not encouraging.

I'm so grateful that I live in NZ and that I'm protected by a concerned government.

As a senior with multiple "underlying conditions" I would be setting sail for Fiddlers' Green if infected.

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Saw them out today, man the boat can shift... they are turning around videos plenty fast too...

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39 minutes ago, KiwiJoker said:

Of course it was penned by Grant Dalton so you don't have to believe every word.

Wonder if he has a Hungarian account;)

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4 hours ago, SPEARO said:

Any idea how to compress the video from iPhone and load here (seems max 10mb)? I cut in half but still too big.

Better to post in on YouTube (which will also compress and optimise it for various platforms) and link to it from here.

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6 hours ago, Hawke said:

What situation?  The facts are that although those infected is arising the mortality rate of those infected is declining.  Yes even in the USA.

 

Keep your fucking diatribe regards covid in the covid forum newbie.

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7 hours ago, mikenz2 said:

The team must have used all the daylight today. Shore crew packing up in the dark.

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Lately I am thinking ETNZ B2 will move toward the other team's boats in the forward aerodynamics characteristics with more rounded topsides and a smaller bow overall. 

I expect the other teams will move toward the skeg or bustle, not sure which. If anything is to be gleaned from Te Kahu, maybe the skeg. 

Anyone care to guess or even better, draw a B2 concept?

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