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25 minutes ago, dbeauvar said:

 

That's no FARM.... That's a castle!!!

The tiny bungalow by the pond is not bad either....

Tough choice.

 

Regards,

D.

 

There’s a ‘farm’ surrounding the castle down blow the mountain but aside from wildlife it’s mostly the, yes African, staff who have lived there for decades. A big responsibility.. 

They keep the adjoining runway in good condition, the current owners use it to go in and out from Johannesburg and there’s a pilot whose sole job is to run that Cessna on-call, for when they aren’t in their normal digs in London or whatever is going on. A rich-history Gold-mining family. I couldn’t believe the place, and was even more surprised by how ‘cheap’ the asking price is, which is barely more than your normal Seattle-area property. Since I know the area, have family that I care about too there, and even speak Afrikaans pretty fluently, it’s not that crazy an idea if I can be as safe and well-enough supplied as what Amazon and such does for me here. The Wildebeest and other wildlife are another attraction, the Maluti Mountains of Lesotho basically border the property and so there’s lakes and winter-skiing up there too. Damn, there I go again, my apologies from locked-down in Seattle. 

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If Spinjapie stops waffling, can someone local report on how the new lockdown is affecting ETNZ and American Magic? 

Or any related news or gossip, if any.

Thanks.

 

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12 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

If Spinrat stops waffling, can someone local report on how the new lockdown is affecting ETNZ and American Magic? 

Or any related news or gossip, if any.

Thanks.

 

Someone on TE’s Sailing Illustrated Show chimed in today with a post that a forward ground-crew from Ineos are due to land imminently, may already have landed. They apparently have already-approved visas. 
 

There was no word about what NZ safety castles they are checked into, for a week or two upon arrival.. 

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16 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

If Spinrat stops waffling, can someone local report on how the new lockdown is affecting ETNZ and American Magic? 

Or any related news or gossip, if any.

Thanks.

 

Bit hard to say at this stage, FJ.

Under lockdown level 3, everyone but essential services is encouraged to work from home and advised to keep their bubble small (number of close contacts). Businesses are able to remain open, but should not physically interact with customers. People are required to keep a social distance of 2 metres and are encouraged to wear masks in public. 

Can you launch and sail an AC75 under those restrictions? Maybe not.

I expect we'll see The Hawk out of the shed again very soon.

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34 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

If Spinrat stops waffling, can someone local report on how the new lockdown is affecting ETNZ and American Magic? 

Or any related news or gossip, if any.

Thanks.

 

Auckland has gone into alert level 3 after a family tested Covid positive that can’t be sourced ie contact traced and this will impact on the AC syndicates as social distancing is a condition and the wearing of masks is advised.

However workplaces are open and gatherings of 100 persons allowed.

https://covid19.govt.nz/covid-19/restrictions/alert-level-3/

This alert level will be reviewed on Friday unless the source is traced the alert level could be in place for a while.

Bugger the Blues vs Crusaders sell out rugby match on Sunday at Eden Park may well be at risk.

Boats in sheds.

 

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The gybe at 00:35 ish, although not completely sure they stay on the same new line, surely has an incredibly deep angle for the windspeed. 

 

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Re: the advance Brits: No obvious containers ex-UK onsite there at the mo. I guess they could be put to work gibstopping and painting....

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21 minutes ago, I ride bikes said:

A guy from Luna Rosa came into my shop this morning.  Advance party.

Did you sell him a bike? 

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28 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Did you sell him a bike? 

He loaned him his - her name is Karen:ph34r:

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On 8/11/2020 at 11:18 AM, Sailbydate said:

No salmon in these parts, but plenty of good sized snapper, if you know where to look. ;-)

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Thought I'd drop this here, mate came by last night with pohutukawa smoked kahawai. Yum.

 

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2 minutes ago, barfy said:

Thought I'd drop this here, mate came by last night with pohutukawa smoked kahawai. Yum.

 

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Nice.

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1 hour ago, I ride bikes said:

A guy from Luna Rosa came into my shop this morning.  Advance party.

Been a couple of them here for a month or more...

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Just now, AKL wino said:

Been a couple of them here for a month or more...

Fuggedaboudit.

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With Corona re-discovered in NZ albeit at one household let's hope it doesn't get worse with 2 teams yet to get to arrive as the implications could effect those teams IMO. If AM are anywhere near the mark with their boat designs then this will put them in good stead against the Italians and the Poms IMO. Having said that it's all about B2's and their final foil configurations so for now testing testing and more testing. Take no notice of imperfect manoeuvres 

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23 minutes ago, barfy said:

Thought I'd drop this here, mate came by last night with pohutukawa smoked kahawai. Yum.

 

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That's about the only thing the NZ Herald is good for...

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1 hour ago, Sailbydate said:

Did you sell him a bike

Alas I did not.  Too busy selling every other covid panic buyer a bike.  

The plague has been a boon for my industry. 

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1 hour ago, I ride bikes said:

Alas I did not.  Too busy selling every other covid panic buyer a bike.  

The plague has been a boon for my industry. 

My friend imports e bikes and is only just able to get shipments in. 6 months lead time  for some components

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9 hours ago, Indio said:

Soweto..

Is that racist?

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3 hours ago, barfy said:

Thought I'd drop this here, mate came by last night with pohutukawa smoked kahawai. Yum.

 

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Before  I get executed for bumping off Wussell the Rat my last meal choice will most definitely be smoked fish pie.

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6 hours ago, barfy said:

The gybe at 00:35 ish, although not completely sure they stay on the same new line, surely has an incredibly deep angle for the windspeed. 

 

Looks like a tack upwind to me???

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55 minutes ago, Wandering Geo said:

Looks like a tack upwind to me???

Certainly against the waves, but where the wind is from is harder to tell for me.

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3 hours ago, chesirecat said:

My friend imports e bikes and is only just able to get shipments in. 6 months lead time  for some components

Bloody pandemic has screwed with the shipment of my rower. Too hilly for bikes around here, so it's rowing for me.

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7 hours ago, barfy said:

The gybe at 00:35 ish, although not completely sure they stay on the same new line, surely has an incredibly deep angle for the windspeed. 

 

It was a tack....

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42 minutes ago, Kiwing said:

Certainly against the waves, but where the wind is from is harder to tell for me.

Yeah, a tack. It’s a nor-easter.

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23 minutes ago, Horn Rock said:

Bloody pandemic has screwed with the shipment of my rower. Too hilly for bikes around here, so it's rowing for me.

Too hilly for bikes?

 

Pussy.

 

 

 

 

 

:D

Get yourself an ebike, no sweat.

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^^ I've got a mountain bike that I cart to an oval to take my mutt for a run. Ebikes look interesting though.....

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2 hours ago, Wandering Geo said:

Looks like a tack upwind to me???

On my phone, so happy to be corrected. That's some angle then. Less than 45 degree, not sure if this has been seen in an apparent wind machine.

Edit..anyone care to guess the angle?

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36 minutes ago, kenergy said:

Get yourself an ebike, no sweat.

Gay

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19 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

No, they emigrated  to the US before I was born. I’ve visited the family-tree there a few times, most recently in March. Always enjoy it, some of it is spectacular. 

En met jou? 

I'm a Saffer, through and through.  Born and raised in SA.

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10 hours ago, terrafirma said:

With Corona re-discovered in NZ albeit at one household let's hope it doesn't get worse with 2 teams yet to get to arrive as the implications could effect those teams IMO. If AM are anywhere near the mark with their boat designs then this will put them in good stead against the Italians and the Poms IMO. Having said that it's all about B2's and their final foil configurations so for now testing testing and more testing. Take no notice of imperfect manoeuvres 

What is the policy in NZ with respect to workers (pilots, crew, etc) making temporary contact with NZ soil and people in the quarantined bubble. For example, when teams fly their B2s down, do the respective crews who fly the plane and unload/reload the boat for onward transportation have to stay apart? Does anyone know if a team minder typically flies with a boat? Is that even possible in the Antonovs?

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1 hour ago, buckdouger said:

What is the policy in NZ with respect to workers (pilots, crew, etc) making temporary contact with NZ soil and people in the quarantined bubble. For example, when teams fly their B2s down, do the respective crews who fly the plane and unload/reload the boat for onward transportation have to stay apart? Does anyone know if a team minder typically flies with a boat? Is that even possible in the Antonovs?

Everyone entering New Zealand, citizens, specialist workers, sports people all have to do 14 days managed isolation or quarantine.  Three days after their arrival they are tested for Covid-19 and again before they are released from isolation.  If their test is positive they stay in quarantine until they get a negative test result.

If they fly out with the boat that will make no difference to the routine, the boat can be released but the crew must wait for 14 days before they clear the border.

The pilots and the crew of the aircraft will fly home.

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13 hours ago, NZL3481 said:

That's about the only thing the NZ Herald is good for...

Isn't is typically used for the parts that were not smoked?

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2 hours ago, Terry Hollis said:

Everyone entering New Zealand, citizens, specialist workers, sports people all have to do 14 days managed isolation or quarantine.  Three days after their arrival they are tested for Covid-19 and again before they are released from isolation.  If their test is positive they stay in quarantine until they get a negative test result.

If they fly out with the boat that will make no difference to the routine, the boat can be released but the crew must wait for 14 days before they clear the border.

The pilots and the crew of the aircraft will fly home.

Thanks Terry, the detail I am interested in is how a foreign flight crew and local ground crew will interact including how surfaces touched by both (including the cargo) are disinfected to avoid infection. The presence of a team escort who flies with a boat complicates this further as at times during unloading they may want to be hands on, unless pre quarantined team members can be on site in their stead while they go straight to quarantine. 

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^ One would assume that air freight continues to arrive in NZ - and that suitable processes have been put in place for safely handling it, no?

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1 hour ago, NeedAClew said:

They routinely spray subway car interiors with disinfectant daily. Just spray the pallets and containers. The insides were packed longer ago.

Similar

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122423538/coronavirus-auckland-cool-storage-facility-tested-over-concern-covid19-entered-nz-via-freight

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6 minutes ago, Hawke said:

You guys don't get it do you.  If you touch a surface that may have infected droplets on it dont touch your face and wash your hands.  Do the same after you have removed the packaging from your parcel.

This latest infection is very very unlikely to have occurred from imported packages.  Afterall why has it taken 101 days for an infection to occur?  There would have been millions of parcels imported from overseas in that time.  Anyone bought a banana lately?

Current thinking seems to be it was possibly on a coldstore package - there have been comments about the virus lasting longer in cold conditions and the fulla who is the 'index case' works at a coldstore with connections to the airport.

Although there was a comment the other day that the wife actually had symptoms first so...who fuckin knows

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21 minutes ago, TimmyHate said:

Current thinking seems to be it was possibly on a coldstore package - there have been comments about the virus lasting longer in cold conditions and the fulla who is the 'index case' works at a coldstore with connections to the airport.

Although there was a comment the other day that the wife actually had symptoms first so...who fuckin knows

I could see very cold conditions keeping it viable for longer periods of time.

Like your pic, you play hockey?  I coached it for about 12 years.

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31 minutes ago, TimmyHate said:

Current thinking seems to be it was possibly on a coldstore package - there have been comments about the virus lasting longer in cold conditions and the fulla who is the 'index case' works at a coldstore with connections to the airport.

There is obviously no good news in any of this but if they can trace it to coldstore packaging (yes, bit of a long-shot) then it may be the best scenario, especially if similar products did not subsequently get dispersed too far and wide. Damn I hope they can trace whatever the hell the chain is, fast, and then clamp down tight on it. 

Interesting listen on the company here. 
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122423538/coronavirus-auckland-cool-storage-facility-tested-over-concern-covid19-entered-nz-via-freight

edit: oops, should have gone to the Corona thread 

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33 minutes ago, TimmyHate said:

Current thinking seems to be it was possibly on a coldstore package - there have been comments about the virus lasting longer in cold conditions and the fulla who is the 'index case' works at a coldstore with connections to the airport.

Although there was a comment the other day that the wife actually had symptoms first so...who fuckin knows

There's a disproportionate number of cases in Victoria, Australia associated with meat processing - Beef, Pork & Chicken. But who knows?

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17 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

The guy took sick leave starting Nine Days ago (yikes for the possible subsequent spread implications), maybe there should be some kind of Big Brother legislation to track and test folks who do this, especially when they openly say it’s for them experiencing flu-like symptoms as in this case. 

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5 minutes ago, NZL3481 said:

There's a disproportionate number of cases in Victoria, Australia associated with meat processing - Beef, Pork & Chicken. But who knows?

True - from what I recall it was specificially related to beef curtains porking cock in isolation.

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ETNZ just towed out past me and have gone around North Head and up past Rangi lighthouse. So no sailing photos from me today. 
 

Hoping AM sail out like they usually do. Stunner of a morning here in Auckland. 

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17 minutes ago, NZL3481 said:

There's a disproportionate number of cases in Victoria, Australia associated with meat processing - Beef, Pork & Chicken. But who knows?

We have the same here. It is because the cold packing houses, close physical proximity of workers, lack of breaks for handwashing all promote spread among workers. Similar to Amazon warehouses...close proximity, fast work pace, insufficient time for hygiene. 

But it starts with a sick worker going in because no sick time or because asymptomatic. It is not on the meat itself to start. 

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An Oahu outbreak is tied to flight crews and flight attendant training classes. Flight crews were loosely supervised between flying in and out again. 

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17 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

An Oahu outbreak is tied to flight crews and flight attendant training classes. Flight crews were loosely supervised between flying in and out again. 

Tragic too, Hawaii should have been relatively easy to get and stay clean. Inter island travel is even banned now. 
 

A couple I know flew to Vegas this past weekend and are flying to Maui this coming one, fools! At least in Maui they will be in iso at their place. They say that in Vegas everyone wore masks and distanced. 

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4 hours ago, nav said:

^ One would assume that air freight continues to arrive in NZ - and that suitable processes have been put in place for safely handling it, no?

Agreed, I'm asking if anyone actually knows the processes to see how flying in an AC75 might be affected. 

3 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

^^

https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/sars-calculator

 

https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/sars-airborne-calculator

 

They routinely spray subway car interiors with disinfectant daily. Just spray the pallets and containers. The insides were packed longer ago.

Agree, seems a plausible strategy. 

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48 minutes ago, 1995 said:

ETNZ just towed out past me and have gone around North Head and up past Rangi lighthouse. So no sailing photos from me today. 
 

Hoping AM sail out like they usually do. Stunner of a morning here in Auckland. 

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Great news, means they have level 3 sorted. Perhaps AM have yet to develop protocols for isolation as etnz have already done.

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1 hour ago, 1995 said:

ETNZ just towed out past me and have gone around North Head and up past Rangi lighthouse. So no sailing photos from me today. 
 

Hoping AM sail out like they usually do. Stunner of a morning here in Auckland. 

 

AM in the pen getting ready to head out. Look out for a smoking drift off chaps! 

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No sailing pics today as I'm on the wrong side of the bridge, all the action is out off the East Coast Bays. And then I had to head home to work before AM left the dock.

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4 hours ago, The_Alchemist said:

I could see very cold conditions keeping it viable for longer periods of time.

Like your pic, you play hockey?  I coached it for about 12 years.

Yeah I've played for about 10 years now, played inline for 6 years growing up as well. 

Loving the fact that there is actually playoff NHL hockey going on right now as well (Even if we did get spanked this morning....)

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4 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

We have the same here. It is because the cold packing houses, close physical proximity of workers, lack of breaks for handwashing all promote spread among workers. Similar to Amazon warehouses...close proximity, fast work pace, insufficient time for hygiene. 

But it starts with a sick worker going in because no sick time or because asymptomatic. It is not on the meat itself to start. 

Given it's a highly casualised workforce in Victoria also doesn't help. The same scenario applies to privately run nursing homes in Victoria where in one instance a casual worker who was infected worked at three different nursing homes. Coupled with poor infection control standards (1 Registered nurse per 100 residents) it has decimated entire communities in nursing homes.

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19 hours ago, Horn Rock said:

Bloody pandemic has screwed with the shipment of my rower. Too hilly for bikes around here, so it's rowing for me.

Too hilly in Byron ??

Surely it's ride to the Beachy..........Schooner............ride to the Rails............Schooner..........ride to the Suffolk.............Schooner and then repeat in reverse. That's a pretty flat run to me mate.

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6 minutes ago, Flippin Out said:

Too hilly in Byron ??

I'm in the hilly hinterland.......

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9 hours ago, nav said:

^ One would assume that air freight continues to arrive in NZ - and that suitable processes have been put in place for safely handling it, no?

:lol:  Quite the comedian there nav.

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2 minutes ago, Horn Rock said:

I'm in the hilly hinterland.......

Fuck I wish I was, anywhere but Melbourne in stage 4 lockdown.

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1 minute ago, Flippin Out said:

Fuck I wish I was, anywhere but Melbourne in stage 4 lockdown.

Yes lockdown would be a pain in the arse. We've got like 3 active cases in the area, so have been pretty unscathed. 

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33 minutes ago, Flippin Out said:

Fuck I wish I was, anywhere but Melbourne in stage 4 lockdown.

Try living in the most infected postcode in the country, 300m from the epicentre of almost 30% of the cases in Melbourne. We've been laying low for 5 weeks already...

 

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Cabinet Ministers will meet tomorrow to decide whether Auckland might be eased into alert level 2, stay at level 3, or moved to full lockdown.

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My pick is either level 3 or 4 for at least 14 days

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24 minutes ago, uflux said:

My pick is either level 3 or 4 for at least 14 days

Level 4 28 days.

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There’s no way Jacinda will plunge the country into another full lockdown. A second lockdown would spell the end for her and her government. People will literally burn down the beehive and parliament if the government locks everyone down again. 

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yet if they don't people will question the first lockdown .. electoral result = same

 

changing tactics half way through a winning game is rarely successful

we were either winning or we were always losing

 

 

 

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Wether rumour or reality but case from a recent concert to add to the mix.

Had a chat with my brother in-law who is in designer homewares which was booming and he is filthy on Jacinda and her clueless band of communist lesbians  his words not mine.

Personally I put lives ahead of profit.

As to riotous behaviour  I think not unless you are a tithing member of Destiny Church.

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13 minutes ago, Hawke said:

The local butcher will go under.  Countdown, New World and Pak n Save's profits will increase!  

Crikey where have you been for the past twenty odd years.

The corporatists have long scythed their way through the local butcher veggie shop fish shop the whole kit and  caboodle.

Here in Poncenby ready access to four supermarkets no local shops providing old school quality food for the village been like that for many moons.

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9 minutes ago, Hawke said:

Unfortunately for many small/medium size businesses it isn't about profit it is about earning a living to feed their families.  Why should the local butcher have to close down and Countdown is allowed to stay open?  Why is the delivery source of an essential service - feeding people - different for one and not the other?

The local butcher will go under.  Countdown, New World and Pak n Save's profits will increase!  Just as they did during the first lockdown.  This time though they may struggle with supply chains as they nearly buckled completely the first time.  Remember the empty shelves at the Supermarket (not just toilet paper) and how long it took for them to be replenished after the first lockdown?

That's why we will stay in level 3.

A lot more small businesses can continue to operate under that level. L4 will kill them off. 

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1 minute ago, Hawke said:

Not everywhere but I'm picking after this lockdown there won't be many left.  There was still a good local butcher and fish shop in Glen Innes when I was last there.  Same with Fruit and vege.

What year was that 1949:P

I am starting to think this Covid19 was produced by the two supermarket entities Progressive and Foodstuffs.

 

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Small businesses are struggling, but the biggest problem is the big companies, the likes of The Warehouse, who were able to keep trading through lockdown but who also have cut more than half of their workforce Using Covid as an excuse to restructure. Capitalism at its finest I guess, but those are the real assholes during the pandemic.

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25 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

Here in the home of the Cup we have our own version of Trump.

Winston Peters claims Covid-19 cluster linked to quarantine breach 
https://nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12356430

He’s so far behind in the polls he’s not even trying anymore.

i bet he’s in favour of postponing the election a year. 

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So, ETNZ is clearly a workplace, wth its own H&S protocols and systems. 
 

Jesus. Imagine the coastguard trying to help rescue Te Aihe...

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26 minutes ago, Hawke said:

Did you know that there is 3,000 employees at MPI on $100,000 a year average salary?

That’s what a bureaucrat calls a living wage.

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2 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said:

So, ETNZ is clearly a workplace, wth its own H&S protocols and systems. 
 

Jesus. Imagine the coastguard trying to help rescue Te Aihe...

Lucky they are self righting:D

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to be fair they do carry there own rescue gear and always have 3 boats in close proximity to each other

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4 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said:

So, ETNZ is clearly a workplace, wth its own H&S protocols and systems. 
 

Jesus. Imagine the coastguard trying to help rescue Te Aihe...

Sorry, here’s the link I was supposed to add. 
 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/423491/rules-for-water-activities-in-levels-2-and-3

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1 hour ago, Hawke said:

No that works in Level 2.  In Level-3 you can't walk into a butcher or fruit and vege shop yet you can a supermarket.  Even then that isn't enforced equally - the local organic store had an exemption - presumably because they provide specialist products!

Under Alert Level 3, you are required to work from home if you can.

Workplaces can only open if:

  • workers cannot work from home, and
  • workplaces are operating safely, and
  • customers are not allowed on the premises, and
  • businesses can trade without physical contact with customers, for example through phone or online orders, delivery, pick-up and drive-through.

Businesses cannot offer services that involve close personal contact, unless it is an essential service, emergency or critical situation.

Supermarkets, dairies and petrol stations can have customers on their premises.

I dont know where you live but in l3 you can buy of small business,  just by using non contact.

L4 you cant.

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But jacinda has these mnzga fools "q"ing her responses...thought they were just on about the pizza hut pedo's. Maybe jacindas hubby was getting it on with all those fish.

Never imagined we would see the q Muppets here so fast.

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On 8/11/2020 at 7:37 PM, Salty Seacock said:

Instability is a good thing. Think about the Supermarine Spitfire aircraft. It is insanely unstable in the hands of a Cessna pilot but, one of the most aerobatic aircraft ever made when flown by someone who knows how.

Stable craft are not normally fast nor maneuverable. Tamed beasts where the wildness is just below the thin veneer control offer rewards for the fighter pilot. Rewards than win the day.

 

And to use a land based comparison, the Group A BMW M3 Evolution touring car is also inherently unstable. In the hands of an amateur track day enthusiast (which is what most of us are as sailors) we'd probably kill ourselves.

In the hands of a pro driver, it was unbeatable.

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1 hour ago, barfy said:

But jacinda has these mnzga fools "q"ing her responses...thought they were just on about the pizza hut pedo's. Maybe jacindas hubby was getting it on with all those fish.

Never imagined we would see the q Muppets here so fast.

Respectfully, drawing the comparison between QAnon and the questioning of the opposition is disingenuous from Farrier.

He's an Auckland urban lefty and has known the PM for years. He's not close to neutral when it comes to National Party commentary.

The opposition are correct to question the timing and knowledge that the government had around possible cases over the weekend. The timing of the ramp up for phase 2, and then it happening is most likely a coincidence but it is worth questioning given the election is so close. And there is a question over the ongoing prominent placement of the prime minister doing media when really it should be Bloomfield doing it.

I've been following the QAnon nuts for about 2.5 years and the arrival of it in NZ is very concerning given how it has jumped to Instagram and thus into the stories of idiot influencers and airheads.

There is a distinct difference from the Q cult and legitimate questioning of governt.

Now, back to sailing!!

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20 hours ago, buckdouger said:

Thanks Terry, the detail I am interested in is how a foreign flight crew and local ground crew will interact including how surfaces touched by both (including the cargo) are disinfected to avoid infection. The presence of a team escort who flies with a boat complicates this further as at times during unloading they may want to be hands on, unless pre quarantined team members can be on site in their stead while they go straight to quarantine. 

Aircraft crew border controls are here ..

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-information-specific-audiences/covid-19-resources-border-sector/covid-19-aviation-sector

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5 hours ago, Terry Hollis said:

A good mate is nz based pilot flying international legs atm. Hides out in hotel room when overseas, returns to NZ, and isolates for quite a few days before repeating the process.

He has already caught and recovered from covid during the original lockdown, but he is still treated as any other air crew.

In short, airlines are taking this pretty seriously - safety is in their nature as the commercial implications of any such fuck-up have always been keenly understood in this industry.

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In other news, Our Dear Leader is holding up covid relief to hold off postal service funding to prepare for mail voting. There is no lower bound. AC relevance LE did big fundraiser for him this winter. Whatever you want to say about other government actions, I do not believe they are willing to kill people to stay in office?

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Our sincere and sad condolences to you NeedAClew, your Dear Leader is a disaster. From down here, it's like watching a slow-motion train wreck.

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From here it's like being tied to the train track in front of the train. 

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