Forourselves 1,025 #9801 Posted November 20, 2020 Great little piece! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NZL3481 372 #9802 Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, MastaVonBlasta said: The hull shape looks quite slippery from this angle There's just the slightest hint of Gitana 17's main hull in the bow of this thing with the rounded gunwhale down to a hard edge in the topsides... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enigmatically2 529 #9803 Posted November 20, 2020 Be fascinating to know how much those little touches that we are seeing in those videos (and have seen from others) slow the boat down, and whether the different underwater designs affect it much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apterix 85 #9804 Posted November 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Forourselves said: It looks like a beast and is remarkably well dialled in for the first day on the water. Not feeling quite so glum about initial impressions now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mozzy Sails 459 #9805 Posted November 20, 2020 This what happens when you try to use battens to 'push' camber out of a sail. I think this was as good as the INEOS boomless set up got.Not too dissimilar to what the Kiwis have noe. But looking at teh huge cutout NZL has is does look like they have more range in their sheeting angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,209 #9806 Posted November 20, 2020 In this pic it looks like the lower battens are attached to the main/traveler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mozzy Sails 459 #9807 Posted November 20, 2020 50 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: Yep, she's boomless. There's two big arse battens down near the foot of the main. You can see them in the pic - I can't seen any particularly big battens? There's a couple of tension creases in the sail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 796 #9808 Posted November 20, 2020 11 hours ago, The_Alchemist said: Really the first competitor to give a shout out to AM as a formable challenger. Everyone else seems to take them lightly. My favourite Challenger Team NYYC AM is very well-respected by Kiwis for a number of reasons: the history of NYYC in the AC, the team's attitude since they launched their challenge, the Kiwi-like way in which they've gone about their business without any distractions, Hutch's history with ETNZ, Barker's involvement. Make no mistake: win or lose, NYYC will be CoR in AC37 unless they beat us, in which case they will have RNZYS/ETNZ as CoR. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mozzy Sails 459 #9809 Posted November 20, 2020 This is what I see. Red is traveller. Blue is mainsheet. Green is an adjustable clew board for sheeting angle / twist. Pink are 'skirting' lines just to neaten up the shape below the clew board. Then there is a couple of creases where excess cloth is folding under tension and being brought down in to the deck. Downwind when the clew lifts these might drop out to maintain a tight fit against the deck. But I don't see any evidence of super thick battens 'pushing' camber out of the foot. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonRowe 673 #9810 Posted November 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Indio said: My favourite Challenger Team NYYC AM is very well-respected by Kiwis for a number of reasons: the history of NYYC in the AC, the team's attitude since they launched their challenge, the Kiwi-like way in which they've gone about their business without any distractions, Hutch's history with ETNZ, Barker's involvement. Make no mistake: win or lose, NYYC will be CoR in AC37 unless they beat us, in which case they will have RNZYS/ETNZ as CoR. If ETNZ win I wouldn't be surprised to see INEOS as CoR, they are more aligned with the Kiwis on the whole foiling thing. NYYC sounds good in theory as a CoR, but they want traditional monohulls, Bellamente style. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 796 #9811 Posted November 20, 2020 5 hours ago, zillafreak said: Yes as challenger. Who are you picking?... Or didnt you read the post? That's a good bet. I picked Team NYYC/AM to be Challenger right from the get-go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,209 #9812 Posted November 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, Mozzy Sails said: Then there is a couple of creases Are you sure they are creases? They look a bit too well defined to be creases. More like some sort of horizontal battens? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 462 #9813 Posted November 20, 2020 44 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: In this pic it looks like the lower battens are attached to the main/traveler. We need our member with the magic "AI Zoom Enhancer" program to help out here! Want to clearly see it "bigly". 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 796 #9814 Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Forourselves said: Haha! The 2 spy ribs are wringing their rings out trying to keep up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mozzy Sails 459 #9815 Posted November 20, 2020 @Horn Rock I'm not sure. Just saying what I see. But, in a system that is working well I don't think creases are unlikely. Upwind you want to pull hard along the foot to flatten the sail. So any excess cloth will bunch in creases. And you will be sheeting hard on the leech to for power so the clew (and foot of the sail) pulled down in to the deck. It was quite breezy upwind sailing in this video. I'd expect them to drop out downwind when they sail with a fuller sail. In ineos final boomless set up they had a a similar skirting line along the foot to neaten up below the clew (you can see below). But I don't think they had enough range of movement on the clew board for the mainsheet attachment. It also looks like NZL have two skirting lines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nav 495 #9816 Posted November 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Ex-yachtie said: So this is what sailors look like now. (Sorry about the screenshot Blair) Seems to me it's kinda what most sensible people look like who face 60+kn winds while outside getting wet, skiers, motorcyclists etc, no? 3 hours ago, MaxHugen said: Very interesting indeed! I wonder if it's an asymmetrical section (only at that extended fairing section) that they're trying to get some extra lift from, pre-take-off when the foil cant is probably lower so the section is in the water? Rules....have you read them? Fairings may not transmit loads etc? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zaal 317 #9817 Posted November 20, 2020 New video by Justin Mitchell. At 8:04 nice take off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enigmatically2 529 #9818 Posted November 20, 2020 More spray than usual coming off the port foil just before and after take-off in Zaal's video? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NZL4EVER 78 #9819 Posted November 20, 2020 Imperal Team New Zealand 7 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,121 #9820 Posted November 20, 2020 10 hours ago, terrafirma said: Great shot.! She is flying and looking nice.! foil tip out of the water Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,209 #9821 Posted November 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said: foil tip out of the water They seem to like this "mode" of shallow flying. Not much arm in the water, and the bit that is has that narrowing. Might be fast? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xlot 709 #9822 Posted November 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, Horn Rock said: They seem to like this "mode" of shallow flying. Not much arm in the water, and the bit that is has that narrowing. Might be fast? But they’re the only ones with zero-anhedral foils, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMac 297 #9823 Posted November 20, 2020 Still unlovely, but at least you can see how it all works now. Could the fat part of the foil arm be for anti leeway at low speeds? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horn Rock 1,209 #9824 Posted November 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Xlot said: But they’re the only ones with zero-anhedral foils, right? LR's foils are pretty shallow anhedrals, but yeah they're the only ones with flat T-foils - so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zaal 317 #9825 Posted November 20, 2020 Interesting interview with Dan Bernasconi 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
laser 173312 27 #9826 Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, The_Alchemist said: foil tip out of the water Seems to be a bit of a trend ATM. Amway are doing it often and Frackers sometimes on the vids I've seen . Have to say, B2 for NZL looked pretty good on her first outing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquid 268 #9827 Posted November 20, 2020 They are foiling in UptiP config.... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zillafreak 77 #9828 Posted November 20, 2020 9 hours ago, Boybland said: Those "reflections" line up with the track for the traveller, so they may be something to do with how that was installed or some external variance caused by internal bracing required by it. You nailed it! The sides are indeed super smooth and glossy. What I WAS SEEING is a small deformation due to the traveler slot. Lines up on the exact spot. So Terra and other deniers can kiss my ass Its actually visible at multiple timepoints on the video, even at 2:29. AS REAL REFLECTIONS MOVE BY, this "reflection" somehow stays right on the boat. On both sides Now back to sailing.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,025 #9830 Posted November 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, zillafreak said: You nailed it! The sides are indeed super smooth and glossy. What I WAS SEEING is a small deformation due to the traveler slot. Lines up on the exact spot. So Terra and other deniers can kiss my ass Its actually visible at multiple timepoints on the video, even at 2:29. AS REAL REFLECTIONS MOVE BY, this "reflection" somehow stays right on the boat. On both sides Now back to sailing.... So, I think we can all agree, it was NOT a "Patch" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiwi39 44 #9831 Posted November 20, 2020 3 hours ago, RMac said: Still unlovely, but at least you can see how it all works now. Could the fat part of the foil arm be for anti leeway at low speeds? It’s in the eye of the beholder ... and to me functional aero design is as sexy af looking at the YouTube from airflow NZ at 2:20 I’m wondering if they’re trying to use the fat foil arm section as a lifting surface ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiwi39 44 #9832 Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Forourselves said: So, I think we can all agree, it was NOT a "Patch" It is a patch. It’s been well documented that they had a horrendous stack in one of their pre launch midnight test sessions. the wavy finish on the hull undersides are further evidence of the rippling caused by the shear forces that result when you nose in at over 60 kts. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutta 223 #9833 Posted November 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, kiwi39 said: It is a patch. It’s been well documented that they had a horrendous stack in one of their pre launch midnight test sessions. the wavy finish on the hull undersides are further evidence of the rippling caused by the shear forces that result when you nose in at over 60 kts. I understand they hit the Hauraki Kraaken. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xlot 709 #9834 Posted November 20, 2020 36 minutes ago, kiwi39 said: It’s in the eye of the beholder ... and to me functional aero design is as sexy af looking at the YouTube from airflow NZ at 2:20 I’m wondering if they’re trying to use the fat foil arm section as a lifting surface ? In keeping with aero design nomenclature, can we call the fat foil arm sections “spats” as in fixed undercarriage wheel fairings? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,262 #9835 Posted November 20, 2020 Sure looks like PB crossing shortly after tacks in the Airflow vid, but: Has anyone spotted yet that there are for a fact wheels on both sides? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 1,484 #9836 Posted November 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, Stingray~ said: Sure looks like PB crossing shortly after tacks in the Airflow vid, but: Has anyone spotted yet that there are for a fact wheels on both sides? My money says there are no wheels. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiwi39 44 #9838 Posted November 20, 2020 57 minutes ago, Xlot said: In keeping with aero design nomenclature, can we call the fat foil arm sections “spats” as in fixed undercarriage wheel fairings? Done ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMac 297 #9839 Posted November 20, 2020 I could see them running electronic controllers, or tiny F1 size wheels. This thing looks like a meat cleaver down low. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiwi39 44 #9840 Posted November 20, 2020 37 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said: My money says there are no wheels. +1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loose Cannon 53 #9841 Posted November 20, 2020 bloody hysterical skinny trimaran. That was the logical design solution all along, but I personally would have preferred it if they actually raced in trimarans.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D_Dog 63 #9842 Posted November 20, 2020 12 hours ago, Apterix said: It looks like a beast and is remarkably well dialled in for the first day on the water. Not feeling quite so glum about initial impressions now. That first run looks bloody quick at a glance. Has anyone done a speed calc on her? 12 hours ago, Apterix said: It looks like a beast and is remarkably well dialled in for the first day on the water. Not feeling quite so glum about initial impressions now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JALhazmat 961 #9843 Posted November 20, 2020 49 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said: My money says there are no wheels. I called it early that wheels wouldn’t feature, so let’s see, was right with the deck height thing so fingers crossed lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,121 #9844 Posted November 20, 2020 12 hours ago, enigmatically2 said: Well we have already had at least 2 boats add a think keel overnight this iteration, so who knows if T'arse copied GB 1 or L2 Out of curtsy, please use the full name of the boat. Up T'arse Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WakaNZ 116 #9845 Posted November 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, D_Dog said: That first run looks bloody quick at a glance. Has anyone done a speed calc on her? The video released last night had several drone shots, some of which were keeping up. Looking at the drone on launch night and speed capability, there are very few commercial drones that can reach 50 knots. I'm picking they held back yesterday which is fair enough for day one! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
breezie 65 #9847 Posted November 20, 2020 Ah so good to see some friendly rivalry, How else could we come up with such an apt and evocative phrase as "dog penis paint job" ... wonderful 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weta27 4,009 #9848 Posted November 20, 2020 Towing out this morning, headed off way out behind Rangi. 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,121 #9849 Posted November 20, 2020 Looking closer at the First sail video from airflownNZ: Here are some speed calculations: It is nice to see them up and foiling the first day, a lot of kinks to work out. at about 1:40 and on you can see some flutter in the jib. I took capture a slowed down version: Screen Recording 2020-11-20 at 4.28.02 PM.mov Add you can see the wrinkles on the other side after they turned: Also, on every turn it looks like a fire drill with two crew members crossing before the turn and a third crossing back after the turn. All in front of the mast. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,121 #9850 Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Ex-yachtie said: My money says there are no wheels. There are helmsman controls on both side of the boat because they have three people crossing on every turn. It may not be a wheel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 241 #9851 Posted November 20, 2020 Has their main actually got battens? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 796 #9852 Posted November 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said: There are helmsman controls on both side of the boat because they have three people crossing on every turn. It may not be a wheel. I'm picking joystick steering control. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinL42 157 #9853 Posted November 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Indio said: I'm picking joystick steering control. Seems to me out of all the things the Cup traditionalists would find to be distasteful about these boats, having a joystick for steering would piss them off the most lol. Edit: It could actually be a regular rc transmitter like an frsky Taranis or something similar. They could have pitch and roll on one stick and rudder on the other and one person could control foil angles and steering with one device. If you hooked sail trim up to throttle then one person could control it all. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla 2,108 #9854 Posted November 20, 2020 Just now, JustinL42 said: Seems to me out of all the things the Cup traditionalists would find to be distasteful about these boats, having a joystick for steering would piss them off the most lol. Think of it as a mini tiller. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 796 #9855 Posted November 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, JustinL42 said: Seems to me out of all the things the Cup traditionalists would find to be distasteful about these boats, having a joystick for steering would piss them off the most lol. Yet joystick control will deliver the immediate response from the rudder which I imagine is an absolute necessity in the instant-response environment of these monsters. They could also have toggle switching on top of the joystick to activate other inter-dependent functions - like foil flap control. It also, coincidentally, will be the most time-consuming and inconvenient for the competitors to try to retrofit to replace their wheels EDIT: It's just occurred to me that Burling would enjoy even more freedom if he had a remote-control wireless Joystick controller he carries with him when he moves from port to s/board. Now wouldn't that be something... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weta27 4,009 #9856 Posted November 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said: Has their main actually got battens? You can't see obvious ridges like in the jib, and no pockets. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xlot 709 #9858 Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, JALhazmat said: I called it early that wheels wouldn’t feature, so let’s see, was right with the deck height thing so fingers crossed lol Quote 12 minutes ago, Indio said: Yet joystick control will deliver the immediate response from the rudder which I imagine is an absolute necessity in the instant-response environment of these monsters. They could also have toggle switching on top of the joystick to activate other inter-dependent functions - like foil flap control. It also, coincidentally, will be the most time-consuming and inconvenient for the competitors to try to retrofit to replace their wheels EDIT: It's just occurred to me that Burling would enjoy even more freedom if he had a remote-control wireless Joystick controller he carries with him when he moves from port to s/board. Now wouldn't that be something Regret shooting down your pindaric flight - but have a look at 16.8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinL42 157 #9859 Posted November 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Indio said: Yet joystick control will deliver the immediate response from the rudder which I imagine is an absolute necessity in the instant-response environment of these monsters. They could also have toggle switching on top of the joystick to activate other inter-dependent functions - like foil flap control. It also, coincidentally, will be the most time-consuming and inconvenient for the competitors to try to retrofit to replace their wheels EDIT: It's just occurred to me that Burling would enjoy even more freedom if he had a remote-control wireless Joystick controller he carries with him when he moves from port to s/board. Now wouldn't that be something... You could do it all with this. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 796 #9860 Posted November 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, JustinL42 said: You could do it all with this. It doesn't even have to be that bulky - although it will need to be if he was lounging in an armchair at the bar ashore.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,121 #9861 Posted November 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, JustinL42 said: You could do it all with this. Good, now we can open the helmsman position into any RC controller operator... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rushman 220 #9862 Posted November 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, weta27 said: You can't see obvious ridges like in the jib, and no pockets. Pockets could be between the skins and offset vertically, glued on to eliminate stitching for a smoother finish The leech ribbons are in pairs, a photo of this area might give more detail Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinL42 157 #9863 Posted November 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Indio said: It doesn't even have to be that bulky - although it will need to be if he was lounging in an armchair at the bar ashore.. They make smaller ones but there is something to be said for having a nice grip. That just happens to be mine. Might want to make sure the controller is larger than any deck opening that leads into the bilge. It would suck to crash and lose the race because the controller fell below deck lol. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apterix 85 #9864 Posted November 20, 2020 Sorry if this has been posted already. It provides a different perspective from some footage already posted. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 796 #9865 Posted November 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, Xlot said: Regret shooting down your pindaric flight - but have a look at 16.8 CoR-LRPP will probably file an application against 16.8 Ah well, it was fun while it lasted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gungabow 49 #9866 Posted November 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, weta27 said: Note top rudder bearing area The 2 stabilizer arms coming off the sides are fixed on other boats You can see its connected directly to the top rudder bearing and the scope of movement can be seen by the gap fwd and aft Keep an eye on this gap if you want to know rudder angles (upwind vs downwind etc) The other boats cant do this as they have too much curvature in the hull at this point 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indio 796 #9867 Posted November 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, JustinL42 said: They make smaller ones but there is something to be said for having a nice grip. That just happens to be mine. Might want to make sure the controller is larger than any deck opening that leads into the bilge. It would suck to crash and lose the race because the controller fell below deck lol. True!! But Burling's offsiders Tuke and Gashby can each carry a spare one that activates automatically when the first one goes swimming 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 241 #9868 Posted November 20, 2020 46 minutes ago, weta27 said: You can't see obvious ridges like in the jib, and no pockets. So in comparison to AM and Ineos not as much. The reason why I ask is that there seems to be a lot more wrinkles in the sails yesterday than previously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 241 #9869 Posted November 20, 2020 20 minutes ago, gungabow said: Note top rudder bearing area The 2 stabilizer arms coming off the sides are fixed on other boats You can see its connected directly to the top rudder bearing and the scope of movement can be seen by the gap fwd and aft Keep an eye on this gap if you want to know rudder angles (upwind vs downwind etc) The other boats cant do this as they have too much curvature in the hull at this point That's tricky! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xlot 709 #9870 Posted November 21, 2020 34 minutes ago, gungabow said: Note top rudder bearing area The 2 stabilizer arms coming off the sides are fixed on other boats You can see its connected directly to the top rudder bearing and the scope of movement can be seen by the gap fwd and aft Keep an eye on this gap if you want to know rudder angles (upwind vs downwind etc) The other boats cant do this as they have too much curvature in the hull at this point Well spotted! Another point @weta27 could focus on, this would keep @MaxHugen (and me ) happy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zillafreak 77 #9871 Posted November 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Forourselves said: So, I think we can all agree, it was NOT a "Patch" I never said it was a patch. I said it looked like one. In fact I was asking what people thought it was. And its certainly not a fucking reflection is it. "reflectiongate" is hereby concluded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,025 #9872 Posted November 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, zillafreak said: I never said it was a patch. I said it looked like one. In fact I was asking what people thought it was. And its certainly not a fucking reflection is it. "reflectiongate" is hereby concluded. Its nothing. Nothing at all, thats what everyone's been trying to say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
accnick 214 #9873 Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, The_Alchemist said: There are helmsman controls on both side of the boat because they have three people crossing on every turn. It may not be a wheel. Rule 16.8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 1,484 #9874 Posted November 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, accnick said: Rule 16.8 Spoil sport. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 462 #9875 Posted November 21, 2020 32 minutes ago, Xlot said: Well spotted! Another point @weta27 could focus on, this would keep @MaxHugen (and me ) happy Our S.A.S team is growing! Cool. (Sailing Anarchy Spies) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SV Resolute 4 #9876 Posted November 21, 2020 2 hours ago, weta27 said: You can't see obvious ridges like in the jib, and no pockets. Battens are just above each telltale Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zillafreak 77 #9877 Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Forourselves said: Its nothing. Nothing at all, thats what everyone's been trying to say. Oh FFS there is. It's a minute deformation of some kind due to the traveller that shows up because of the insane gloss polish. Perhaps extra strengthening inside the hull, perhaps it is a fucking patch after all that was part of the plan to begin with in order to install part of the traveller. Perhaps that's where they put the training wheels on. But there is certainly something there, not a damn reflection. And even a reflection isn't "nothing at all" now is it. Fucking brilliant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 155 #9878 Posted November 21, 2020 On 11/19/2020 at 12:49 PM, kenergy said: She foils at least. Edited to add the correct video How come you are preventing us from adding to a playlist? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weta27 4,009 #9879 Posted November 21, 2020 I won’t waste everybody’s time with 20 photos to prove it but there is NOTHING on the side of the boat there 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,025 #9880 Posted November 21, 2020 Just now, zillafreak said: Oh FFS there is. It's a minute deformation of some kind due to the traveller that shows up because of the insane gloss polish. Perhaps extra strengthening inside the hull, perhaps it is a fucking patch after all that was part of the plan to begin with in order to install part of the traveller. Perhaps that's where they put the training wheels on. But there is certainly something there, not a damn reflection. And even a reflection isn't "nothing at all" now is it. Fucking brilliant. A trick of light and image. Something that shows up only from a certain angle of light, and not from another... like a shadow. Nothing here... Nothing here... Nothing here... Nothing here... And nothing here There's nothing. Nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sea Breeze 74 513 #9881 Posted November 21, 2020 2 hours ago, weta27 said: This is a fantastic photo @weta27! Old school being past by science fiction. I even like the nod to modern youth classes with the BICs Skiffs in the background. Thanks as always, we are so lucky to have your photo's 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 241 #9882 Posted November 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Forourselves said: A trick of light and image. Something that shows up only from a certain angle of light, and not from another... like a shadow. Nothing here... Nothing here... Nothing here... Nothing here... And nothing here There's nothing. Nothing. I think you'll find that the red swirls actually move faster than the black ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ncik 145 #9883 Posted November 21, 2020 3 hours ago, weta27 said: Nothing...? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barfy 1,057 #9884 Posted November 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Indio said: I'm picking joystick steering control. I've done a fair bit of driving boats on sticks and it isn't pretty. It doesn't have feel for rate of change, and extremes of position like a wheel does. I fly a racing drone with a stick, and it's all about rate of change, but you can do a barrel roll or loop with a drone, but not a drone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-yachtie 1,484 #9885 Posted November 21, 2020 3 hours ago, weta27 said: Note the drainage flap on the light grey area. Similar to the flaps on the underside of the hull. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCARECROW 550 #9886 Posted November 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Stingray~ said: Sure looks like PB crossing shortly after tacks in the Airflow vid, but: Has anyone spotted yet that there are for a fact wheels on both sides? I think we’re seeing Pete and Glenn crossing to windward then Blair crossing back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stingray~ 1,262 #9887 Posted November 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, SCARECROW said: I think we’re seeing Pete and Glenn crossing to windward then Blair crossing back. Thanks, missed that so far. similar, at https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2020/11/america-s-cup-team-new-zealand-opt-for-two-helmsman-with-new-boat.html Kiwi sailing legend Brad Butterworth predicts Team New Zealand will opt for two helmsmen, when they defend the America's Cup in March 2021. Team New Zealand's second boat is radically different from their first and came as a bit of a shock to onlookers, but Butterworth thinks the biggest shock is yet to come. "The new boat looks like they might have two helmsmen, where they'll have dedicated helmsmen on side to side, which is something Luna Rossa are doing at the moment," he says. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites