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15 minutes ago, hasher said:
18 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

I'm not disagreeing with that in the slightest.  I think the bankers who crashed the global economy should be in jail right now, at the least.  I would have liked to have seen a couple publicly executed just to send a warning to the rest.

As to recovering from mistakes, I absolutely agree that everyone should have that chance.  But it shouldn't be a safety net for life.  If you continue to make bad decisions over and over again, which many do because they always know that safety net is there - then I think at some point they should succeed or fail on their own.  

I work for some of the people with the best worth ethic in the world.  Get on the train when they are riding to work for wages that wouldn't get most people out of bed.  They are the life blood of this city.

And that has what to do with the topic being discussed???  I don't think anyone here is claiming that ALL poor people are stupid or lazy.  I certainly am not claiming that.  But the people you describe above are likely NOT on that lifelong safety net specifically because they are able to get out of bed and work for low wages.  

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3 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

I guess you are still figuring things out. Sometimes, the left has projects that you don't like and have to pay for whether you like it or not, just like the Right giving the 01% a massive tax cut, and you have to contribute whether you like it or not

I'm well aware of that.  I don't like it, but "knowing" it doesn't mean that I won't work to change it.

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1 minute ago, Shootist Jeff said:

I'm well aware of that.  I don't like it, but "knowing" it doesn't mean that I won't work to change it.

That's an almost automatic given.

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1 hour ago, Shootist Jeff said:

I did???  How did I do that?  I think you must be addressing someone else. 

You were in the military weren't you?

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4 hours ago, Lark said:

I was thinking of a dorm neighbor many years ago.    Farm kid that blew a knee his freshman year, lost his tutors, and left shortly after,     This was the worst IA team in the NCAA, but still athletes weren’t really students.   

The GI bill is a good argument, especially the post WW II crowd.   They valued it and I suspect their graduation rate was high.    College ROI was also good, there was less dilution with “Ms Congeniality” degrees.   I’m fairly progressive, but a free lunch is only valuable when you are hungry.   When people stand in line because society expects them to, they just throw French fries at each other.    

 

Youth is wasted on the young.  

How many people go to college because their parents expect it?  And how many go into technical  training because their parents expect it?  For too many people college is a finishing school, a passport to something I couldn’t discern when I was teaching, although I definitely knew why my fellow college classmates were at it. All over the board...

Changing college to something free would change the whole dynamic.  Would it be ok to flunk someone?  Or would it be easier?  Weeding out the chaff would get sporty, that’s for sure......

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4 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

Don't like art? Don't open your eyes.

 It's all around you.

 Everywhere you look.

 Everything you see.

 Good, bad, or indifferent.

Those that describe art as a waste of time, are by definition, a waste of space.

We need everybody and then some.  All of us have boats, no?  How many of NA’s designing them are engineers?  How many NA’s are artists who hire engineers?  How many are engineers who hire artists?  How many builders are engineers?  How many are artists?  

Highway designers hire landscape artists and psychologists to design highways, among other specialists.  Teamwork is the norm in a technological society.  

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1 hour ago, Amati said:

Youth is wasted on the young.  

How many people go to college because their parents expect it?  And how many go into technical  training because their parents expect it?  For too many people college is a finishing school, a passport to something I couldn’t discern when I was teaching, although I definitely knew why my fellow college classmates were at it. All over the board...

Changing college to something free would change the whole dynamic.  Would it be ok to flunk someone?  Or would it be easier?  Weeding out the chaff would get sporty, that’s for sure......

You're on to something here.

How do you balance the university income stream with failing a student?

Australian universities have been accused of putting money before results. I doubt it's just an Australian thing.

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7 hours ago, Sea warrior said:

As a general rule of thumb, if you are going to critique the writing of others then you better be damn sure yours is perfect. 

Oops. You forgot the possessive apostrophe.

Pile on @Sea warrior! :)

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5 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

It's time we junked the old "We The People" version of the US Constitution and rewrote it, starting "Corporations Uber Alles"

No need. Corporations are people.

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9 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

They may not be properly fed but they are well fed.

You don't get over 300 or 400 Lbs without eating a lot.

Sorry. I failed to communicate with you. 
Why?? I don’t consider a person who consumes an unhealthy diet to be well fed. 
My definition of well fed includes sufficient foods to properly feed the needs of the body. 
Those bodies look to be the result of a diet where the body is craving without being satisfied. 
I suspect those bodies were created by handlers who fed them huge amounts of sugar and fat. The popular term is “empty calories.”

As there are many necessary nutrients those bodies are lacking, the bodies are sending “feed me” signals to the handlers who keep trying to respond to those signals by consuming potato chips, candy, burgers, fries, soft drinks, ice cream, and similar foods commonly referred to as “junk food.”

Those bodies are being stuffed with calories but they are not ( according to me) well fed. 

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3 hours ago, Gouvernail said:

Sorry. I failed to communicate with you. 
Why?? I don’t consider a person who consumes an unhealthy diet to be well fed. 
My definition of well fed includes sufficient foods to properly feed the needs of the body. 
Those bodies look to be the result of a diet where the body is craving without being satisfied. 
I suspect those bodies were created by handlers who fed them huge amounts of sugar and fat. The popular term is “empty calories.”

As there are many necessary nutrients those bodies are lacking, the bodies are sending “feed me” signals to the handlers who keep trying to respond to those signals by consuming potato chips, candy, burgers, fries, soft drinks, ice cream, and similar foods commonly referred to as “junk food.”

Those bodies are being stuffed with calories but they are not ( according to me) well fed. 

Who decides what "well fed" is?  The government food pyramid?

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14 minutes ago, jzk said:

Who decides what "well fed" is?  The government food pyramid?

Let’s start with the Sugar Research Foundation.  Add the $4,000,000,000 US sugar subsidy to help poor people get their daily ration..

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5 hours ago, Amati said:

We need everybody and then some.  All of us have boats, no?  How many of NA’s designing them are engineers?  How many NA’s are artists who hire engineers?  How many are engineers who hire artists?  How many builders are engineers?  How many are artists?  

Highway designers hire landscape artists and psychologists to design highways, among other specialists.  Teamwork is the norm in a technological society.  

That's beautiful, man

- DSK

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8 hours ago, Battlecheese said:
11 hours ago, Sea warrior said:

yes, I went to college, to peruse a real degree. A degree in engineering. 

Pft. You're entitled to your opinion.

He clearly didn't learn a damn thing worth knowing

- DSK

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36 minutes ago, Lark said:

Let’s start with the Sugar Research Foundation.  Add the $4,000,000,000 US sugar subsidy to help poor people get their daily ration..

Sounds good to me.  The government only fucks that kind of shit up.  

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10 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

Don't like art? Don't open your eyes.

 It's all around you.

 Everywhere you look.

 Everything you see.

 Good, bad, or indifferent.

Those that describe art as a waste of time, are by definition, a waste of space.

I never said that I don’t like art.

In fact, I love art and consider myself somewhat of an artist.

Thing is, art cannot be taught in an art school,. Art comes from within and you either have it or you don’t and I’d say that the vast majority of art majors don’t have it and are only in art school because they aren’t intelligent enough to pursue a real degree with a marketable future. These are are the people with whom I’ve zero sympathy when it comes to student loans.

By the way, why are you snowflakes singling out my comments art majors?

I consider the vast majority of business or marketing  majors a waste of time also and don’t get me going on the nonsensical made up degrees some idiotic kids pursue these days, too many to list.

Why don’t you idiots address that shitshow? Is it because that’s your major or the major your kids will spend their lifetimes paying off ?

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

It absolutely is a "free country", where you are more than free to live with the consequences of your poor decisions.  It is not free when everyone else has to bail you out for your poor decisions and they get no choice in the matter.  

You are damn right it’s a free country and people are free to make idiotic decisions in life such as pursuing useless degrees and guess what? They are free to suffer the consequences of their decisions.

 

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46 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

He clearly didn't learn a damn thing worth knowing

- DSK

I learnt enough to become reasonably wealthy in the US with all my student debt paid off.

Not bad for an immigrant who arrived on these shores with little more than the shirt on my back.

 

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7 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:
57 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

... clearly didn't learn a damn thing worth knowing

 

I learnt enough to become reasonably wealthy in the US with all my student debt paid off.

Not bad for an immigrant who arrived on these shores with little more than the shirt on my back.

 

Is money ALWAYS the answer?

- DSK

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19 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

I never said that I don’t like art.

In fact, I love art and consider myself somewhat of an artist.

Thing is, art cannot be taught in an art school,. Art comes from within and you either have it or you don’t and I’d say that the vast majority of art majors don’t have it and are only in art school because they aren’t intelligent enough to pursue a real degree with a marketable future. These are are the people with whom I’ve zero sympathy when it comes to student loans.

By the way, why are you snowflakes singling out my comments art majors?

I consider the vast majority of business or marketing  majors a waste of time also and don’t get me going on the nonsensical made up degrees some idiotic kids pursue these days, too many to list.

Why don’t you idiots address that shitshow? Is it because that’s your major or the major your kids will spend their lifetimes paying off ?

 

 

 

Your view of the value of an arts degree is based on ignorance. The opportunities are wide and varied.

 

https://gradaustralia.com.au/creative-arts/careers-with-bachelor-arts

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14 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

Is money ALWAYS the answer?

- DSK

Well, isn’t that what this whole thread is about?

A bunch of crybabies crying about money?

 

I mean, come on already. 

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3 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

Well, isn’t that what this whole thread is about?

A bunch of crybabies crying about money?

 

I mean, come on already. 

So, you're crying about money one minute... those darn art people are so lazy & stupid... and then bragging about your own prowess at money-grubbing?

Yeah, like I said: college degree or not, you didn't learn a damn thing worth knowing

- DSK

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9 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

Lol

 

 

then why are so many of them up to their holes in debt?

Because that's the Australian experience.

 

In the US, are there really so many of them with life crushing debt?

It seems like a beat up to me.

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On 12/7/2019 at 5:47 PM, badlatitude said:

I had not even considered Elizabeth Warren before today. Still, I am coming around to believing that taxing billionaires out of existence may be a partial solution for a problem like this. Use your votes wisely people, before you have no vote at all.

Taxes have been used to redistribute the wealth before.  It works.  But it takes politicians not owned by the wealthy to do it. 

My personal belief is politics is so corrupt right now that the people will have to unite to fix it.  The solution is to completely get money out of politics.  If we do that, the politicians will have to work for the people, not just the fat cat donors. 

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10 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

It absolutely is a "free country", where you are more than free to live with the consequences of your poor decisions.  It is not free when everyone else has to bail you out for your poor decisions and they get no choice in the matter.  

Bankruptcy, it’s not just for retired military flyboys.

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45 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

Why don’t you idiots

What a persuasive way to influence people.

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9 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

So, you're crying about money one minute... those darn art people are so lazy & stupid... and then bragging about your own prowess at money-grubbing?

Yeah, like I said: college degree or not, you didn't learn a damn thing worth knowing

- DSK

What the heck are you talking about?

This whole thread is a whinge fest dedicated to complaining about the decline of financial opportunities in the US and UK.

I’m not the one crying about anything you dufus, the op is.

 

I think I'm done with you, because with all due respect, you seem to be rather  dumb.

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8 minutes ago, hasher said:

What a persuasive way to influence people.

I’m not here to influence anybody. 

I’m hear to call bullshit to the premise of this thread.

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4 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

I’m not here to influence anybody. 

I’m hear to call bullshit to the premise of this thread.

And you cite such compelling data...

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2 minutes ago, hasher said:
8 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

I’m not here to influence anybody. 

I’m hear to call bullshit to the premise of this thread.

And you cite such compelling data...

Well, HE went to college (he says) and has no debt (he says) and is now relatively wealthy (he says). All this is supposed to be evidence contrary to the thread's title statement. However it's also very superficial to use one and only one standard ("how much money do you make") to judge "success" or lack of it.

Which is partly why I say the dumbfuck hasn't learned anything worth knowing, he cannot even grasp this relatively simple point.

- DSK

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1 hour ago, Sea warrior said:

What the heck are you talking about?

This whole thread is a whinge fest dedicated to complaining about the decline of financial opportunities in the US and UK.

I’m not the one crying about anything you dufus, the op is.

 

I think I'm done with you, because with all due respect, you seem to be rather  dumb.

Uh, no, the whole thing is the self-destruction of the 2 leading democracies. That fact that you think this is about money is evidence point 1.

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15 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Uh, no, the whole thing is the self-destruction of the 2 leading democracies. That fact that you think this is about money is evidence point 1.

 

Dear christ!!

 

From the very first fucking line of that miserable op

 

There are only two societies in the rich world where life is getting shorter,

poorer, meaner, and more hopeless

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

 

Dear christ!!

 

From the very first fucking line of that miserable op

 

 

 

 

 

The wealth of a country is very much an issue when decline happens. The fact that it's self-destructive is even more amazing. But the OP is about decline, not lack of individual opportunity, of which there always will be even in decline(2007 anyone?)

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10 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

You were in the military weren't you?

Yes I was. Are you now accusing everyone who joined the military as people “sponging off of society”??  Please do tell. This will be fun. 

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6 hours ago, Gouvernail said:

Sorry. I failed to communicate with you. 
Why?? I don’t consider a person who consumes an unhealthy diet to be well fed. 
My definition of well fed includes sufficient foods to properly feed the needs of the body. 
Those bodies look to be the result of a diet where the body is craving without being satisfied. 
I suspect those bodies were created by handlers who fed them huge amounts of sugar and fat. The popular term is “empty calories.”

As there are many necessary nutrients those bodies are lacking, the bodies are sending “feed me” signals to the handlers who keep trying to respond to those signals by consuming potato chips, candy, burgers, fries, soft drinks, ice cream, and similar foods commonly referred to as “junk food.”

Those bodies are being stuffed with calories but they are not ( according to me) well fed. 

BFS!!  
 

Nobody held them down and forced donuts and cream pies down their cake hole. They made the choice to eat that shit. Despite literally decades of govt funded PSAs talking about the merits of healthy eating, stop smoking, lose weight, etc. at some point the fatties have to take responsibility for themselves. 

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3 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

They made the choice to eat that shit.

Google the term "food desert".

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5 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Yes I was. Are you now accusing everyone who joined the military as people “sponging off of society”??  Please do tell. This will be fun. 

Actooly!!!

 

The Us military is the largest welfare program in the country. 

If we quit this empire building bullshit then there’d be plenty of money left for all these social programs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’ll check by later to count all the “likes” I’m about to receive  :-)

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, justsomeguy! said:

Google the term "food desert".

I’ve worked the ghetto of Chicago all my life and I know intimately what causes this phenomenon and I can assure you that the “food deserts” exist solely because of the bad behavior of some of the residents of these neighborhoods.

The viability of grocery stores in these neighborhoods ceased because of the high levels of retail theft and the resulting need for ever increasing overhead (security measures) to protect the owner’s interests.

 

So you see, much like the issues with college debt, “food deserts” are the consequences of bad decisions and behavior. 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

I’m doing well so the premise is wrong. :lol:

I’m trying to figure out if you are in fact doing well or just are in need of a set of quotation marks.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Jules said:

Taxes have been used to redistribute the wealth before.  It works.  But it takes politicians not owned by the wealthy to do it. 

My personal belief is politics is so corrupt right now that the people will have to unite to fix it.  The solution is to completely get money out of politics.  If we do that, the politicians will have to work for the people, not just the fat cat donors. 

I support the removal of money from politics. However, with a significant number of congress members and the courts fighting every way, along with a large number of wealthy people and corporations with an agenda, fighting alongside them, will make any attempt very difficult, even impossible.

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6 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

...“food deserts” exist solely because of the bad behavior of some of the residents of these neighborhoods.

What percentage is "some"?

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Just now, justsomeguy! said:

What percentage is "some"?

Enough to cause “food deserts”

 

 

 

Next stupid question?

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27 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Yes I was. Are you now accusing everyone who joined the military as people “sponging off of society”??  Please do tell. This will be fun. 

Certainly not everyone, but there are 25% of our military who have to use food stamps to make ends meet. Not to worry, though, your president is working very hard to eliminate food stamps for all Americans.

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3 hours ago, Sea warrior said:

I never said that I don’t like art.

In fact, I love art and consider myself somewhat of an artist.

Thing is, art cannot be taught in an art school,. Art comes from within and you either have it or you don’t and I’d say that the vast majority of art majors don’t have it and are only in art school because they aren’t intelligent enough to pursue a real degree with a marketable future. These are are the people with whom I’ve zero sympathy when it comes to student loans.

By the way, why are you snowflakes singling out my comments art majors?

I consider the vast majority of business or marketing  majors a waste of time also and don’t get me going on the nonsensical made up degrees some idiotic kids pursue these days, too many to list.

Why don’t you idiots address that shitshow? Is it because that’s your major or the major your kids will spend their lifetimes paying off ?

 

 

 

You are being singled out because you want to be singled out.  Why be coy?

FWIW, I think your problems with art writ large being taught at the college level can be explained by the web, and how it has made art in general effectively free, which is rapidly making art mainly a world of the amateur, gifted or not, which means the time necessary for inner artistic exploration is limited by the necessity to be your own patron.  Arts at the college level, ideally, offer a  quicker route to technical proficiency, at least, and at its best, a philosophical and aesthetic grounding to figure out what it is an artist wants to do.  That the ideal is limited by the usual politics of academia is unfortunate, but face it- art is like life except more so. (Thanks Chris Lunn)  Getting rid of the commercial aspect of art may be a good thing-  for example, have you wondered why the American poetry scene so good right now?  Because there’s no money in it.

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2 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Off to ignore with him and the rest of the sock drawer.

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Welcome to the club!B)

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3 minutes ago, Amati said:

You are being singled out because you want to be singled out.  Why be coy?

FWIW, I think your problems with art writ large being taught at the college level can be explained by the web, and how it has made art, in general effectively free, which is rapidly making art mainly a world of the amateur, gifted or not, which means the time necessary for inner artistic exploration is limited by the necessity to be your own patron.  Arts at the college level, ideally, offer a  quicker route to technical proficiency, at least, and at its best, a philosophical and aesthetic grounding to figure out what it is an artist wants to do.  That the ideal is limited by the usual politics of academia is unfortunate, but face it- art is like life except more so. (Thanks Chris Lunn)  Getting rid of the commercial aspect of art may be a good thing-  for example, have you wondered why the American poetry scene so good right now?  Because there’s no money in it.

Holy fucking word salad there mate!!!

 

Not only is your ability to compose a structured response lacking but also, it appears that you are unable to comprehend.

 

I did not suggest that I was being singled out, I said that my comments about art majors were being singled out when I clearly included “other bullshit degrees”  In my statement.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Sea warrior said:

Holy fucking word salad there mate!!!

 

Not only is your ability to compose a structured response lacking but also, it appears that you are unable to comprehend.

 

I did not suggest that I was being singled out, I said that my comments about art majors were being singled out when I clearly included “other bullshit degrees”  In my statement.

 

 

:lol:

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7 minutes ago, jerseyguy said:
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Welcome to the club!B)

How on earth will I ever be able to carry on with life knowing this?

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Just now, Sea warrior said:

How on earth will I ever be able to carry on knowing this?

Psychopharmacology?

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As a graduate with an arts degree, I’d argue in favor of the power of such a program to encourage synthesis of disparate sources of info and creation of compelling arguments with logical structure and effective presentation. 

These days, such presentations may go beyond writing and oral forms to include digital media and video.

You can use such a degree to go in many directions, though a career in plumbing or auto maintenance after such an educational experience might be viewed a misapplication of resources.

This is not to say that trade schools are not important to our nation. I fully support their roles help prepare many students for successful careers.

Trade schools offer myriad opportunities for states to work with private and public businesses to create opportunities for both students and employers. 

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1 minute ago, phillysailor said:

As a graduate with an arts degree, I’d argue in favor of the power of such a program to encourage synthesis of disparate sources of info and creation of compelling arguments with logical structure and effective presentation. 

These days, such presentations may go beyond writing and oral forms to include digital media and video.

You can use such a degree to go in many directions, though plumbing or auto maintenance after such an educational experience might be a misapplication or resources.

This is not to say that trade schools are not important to our nation. I fully support their roles help prepare many students for successful careers.

Trade schools offer myriad opportunities for states to work with private and public businesses to create opportunities for both students and employers. 

You have grammatical errors and or omissions in your very first sentence there, just saying.

 

 

:P

 

 

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5 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

As a graduate with an arts degree, I’d argue in favor of the power of such a program to encourage synthesis of disparate sources of info and creation of compelling arguments with logical structure and effective presentation. 

Point out these supposed "grammatical errors and or omissions" please?

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1 minute ago, justsomeguy! said:

Point out these supposed "grammatical errors and or omissions" please?

I’d like to see Sea diagram the sentence!  When I was in 7th grade I diagramed a dangling participle!  Then I read James Joyce’s ‘Ulysses’. :lol:

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3 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Yes I was. Are you now accusing everyone who joined the military as people “sponging off of society”??  Please do tell. This will be fun. 

why would you jump to that conclusion? There's a service required, and people sign up to it. Good thing they don't give up their right to bankruptcy or walking away from loans.

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1 minute ago, Amati said:

I’d like to see Sea diagram the sentence!  

I'm beginning to understand why some have the guy on "ignore". 

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2 minutes ago, justsomeguy! said:

I'm beginning to understand why some have the guy on "ignore". 

On the other hand, he is the tip of the Trumpian Spear!  

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31 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

You have grammatical errors and or omissions in your very first sentence there, just saying.

 

 

:P

 

 

Going back, I can see Sea’s point. It’s not that I’ve actually made grammatical errors, it’s that I’ve made the sentence needlessly complicated. It’s a common fault with my writing style, and makes it less compelling... perhaps especially to those who haven’t taken such an educational route. 

Its not that I strive to be or consider myself elitist, I just sometimes write that way.

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In sum, both the US and UK have imbibed the neoliberal Kool Aid.  

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1 hour ago, Amati said:

You are being singled out because you want to be singled out.  Why be coy?

FWIW, I think your problems with art writ large being taught at the college level can be explained by the web, and how it has made art in general effectively free, which is rapidly making art mainly a world of the amateur, gifted or not, which means the time necessary for inner artistic exploration is limited by the necessity to be your own patron.  Arts at the college level, ideally, offer a  quicker route to technical proficiency, at least, and at its best, a philosophical and aesthetic grounding to figure out what it is an artist wants to do.  That the ideal is limited by the usual politics of academia is unfortunate, but face it- art is like life except more so. (Thanks Chris Lunn)  Getting rid of the commercial aspect of art may be a good thing-  for example, have you wondered why the American poetry scene so good right now?  Because there’s no money in it.

I think it’s more a problem of confusing “mainstream middle class success” i.e. an engineering job or a “trade” and the skills for that, with the skills to exceed that with a heavy dose of culture war. I’ve no idea what all these “bullshit” majors are; links are annoying on my phone but doe data suggests there aren’t nearly the number being spoken of unless we fold “business” into bullshit. And that’s before we get to direct trade benefits like how The best law school applicants - by LSAT and GPA - are classics majors.

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1 hour ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

I think it’s more a problem of confusing “mainstream middle class success” i.e. an engineering job or a “trade” and the skills for that, with the skills to exceed that with a heavy dose of culture war. I’ve no idea what all these “bullshit” majors are; links are annoying on my phone but doe data suggests there aren’t nearly the number being spoken of unless we fold “business” into bullshit. And that’s before we get to direct trade benefits like how The best law school applicants - by LSAT and GPA - are classics majors.

Undergraduate liberal degrees are for education- graduate degrees are for training? 

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1 hour ago, phillysailor said:

Going back, I can see Sea’s point. It’s not that I’ve actually made grammatical errors, it’s that I’ve made the sentence needlessly complicated. It’s a common fault with my writing style, and makes it less compelling... perhaps especially to those who haven’t taken such an educational route. 

Its not that I strive to be or consider myself elitist, I just sometimes write that way.

I feel your pain.  After 12 years of Catholic school, 4 years at university and another four getting a couple of graduate degrees; my writing style was complex as could be.  Off to the real world (insofar as inside the Beltway is the real world) where I had to learn to write in a clipped, straightforward style.  Sort of a cross between a bumper sticker and a press release.

Enough of that after a few years and back to the world of academe.  In a publish or perish world (some might say publish and perish) I had to resuscitate my academic writing style in order to keep journal editors and reviewers content.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

... The best law school applicants - by LSAT and GPA - are classics majors.

If you don’t count math, which has always struck me as the bullshitiest of bullshit majors, the Seinfeld of majors, a major about nothing.

https://magoosh.com/lsat/2016/average-lsat-scores-by-major/

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Education has something to do with writing essays which make sense.

Multiple choice tests have some value, but they don't replace the need to make cogent arguments.

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7 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

If you don’t count math, which has always struck me as the bullshitiest of bullshit majors, the Seinfeld of majors, a major about nothing.

https://magoosh.com/lsat/2016/average-lsat-scores-by-major/

My nominee for the most useless major is marketing.

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28 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

If you don’t count math, which has always struck me as the bullshitiest of bullshit majors, the Seinfeld of majors, a major about nothing.

https://magoosh.com/lsat/2016/average-lsat-scores-by-major/

That’s what I get for using old data. Interesting its 12 “bullshit” majors before an engineer :rolleyes:

im not sure if you were sarcastic or not about math; I know of at least one university that wanted to close their math department and have math courses taught by engineers and scientists until the other departments told them it was a stupid idea.

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4 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

BFS!!  
 

Nobody held them down and forced donuts and cream pies down their cake hole. They made the choice to eat that shit. Despite literally decades of govt funded PSAs talking about the merits of healthy eating, stop smoking, lose weight, etc. at some point the fatties have to take responsibility for themselves. 

And you wonder why your concept of behavioural change and education re guns get laughed at.

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1 hour ago, jerseyguy said:

My nominee for the most useless major is marketing.

The first example that came to my mind when I wrote “and other bullshite degrees” was a marketing degree.

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Back to the OP, 

why is the society committing Hari Kari?

seems like the theft of the middle class dream by the .1% has been effectively blamed on the bottom 20%. The now almost-middle class is now doing everything it can to get retribution on that 20%, cause they’re too stupid to see the actual cause.

 

seems like bread and circuses is still an effective strategy. 

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1 minute ago, Sea warrior said:

Any suggestions?

Start with the brown acid.

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2 hours ago, Olsonist said:

If you don’t count math, which has always struck me as the bullshitiest of bullshit majors, the Seinfeld of majors, a major about nothing.

https://magoosh.com/lsat/2016/average-lsat-scores-by-major/

The trouble with law degrees is that the bar has been set far too low (forgive the pun) and therefore we have far too many piss poor lawyers in this country who are incapable of representing anyone and unfortunately, by the time a client figures this out it can be too late.

 

Remember, a law degree gives a person license to sit at the table, how they play the game is determined by intelligence.

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18 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

The trouble with law degrees is that the bar has been set far too low (forgive the pun) and therefore we have far too many piss poor lawyers in this country who are incapable of representing anyone and unfortunately, by the time a client figures this out it can be too late.

 

Remember, a law degree gives a person license to sit at the table, how they play the game is determined by intelligence.

You’d better get busy!  They need your help!

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/08/the-future-of-the-bar-exam/

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31 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

Remember, a law degree gives a person license to sit at the table, how they play the game is determined by intelligence.

That’s the bar exam dipshit, and a law degree doesn’t guarantee you pass the exam.

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14 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

That’s the bar exam dipshit, and a law degree doesn’t guarantee you pass the exam.

There, there buttercup, it’ll be alright.

You should seek out your safe space, or is it safe place?

 

Edit:

Didn’t Hillary fail the bar? 

 

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5 minutes ago, Sea warrior said:

There, there buttercup, it’ll be alright.

You should seek out your safe space, or is it safe place?

 

Edit:

Didn’t Hillary fail the bar? 

 

Oh my, did you think personal insults add credibility to your statements.  Please sea shell, maybe if there is reincarnation you will have a better trip around.

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