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1 hour ago, Amati said:

If a moustache was long enough would it be a mask?

Usually used as a pantry.

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1 hour ago, Amati said:

If a moustache was long enough would it be a mask?

Only if you also weave your nose hairs into a mesh.

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3 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

I have cropped beard way down but seal isn't great.  So I smear vaseline around the entire rim of my mask, which is rubber.  Seals incredibly after that (and the other reason I go straight to the shower when I get home)

 

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50 minutes ago, Gissie said:

Usually used as a pantry.

I have a source for used panties.  You can pmail me.

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2 minutes ago, hasher said:
52 minutes ago, Gissie said:

Usually used as a pantry.

I have a source for used panties.  You can pmail me.

You and Gissie our speakeng abote diffrentte thengs..............                                    :)

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2 minutes ago, Snaggletooth said:

You and Gissie our speakeng abote diffrentte thengs..............                                    :)

I'm not a scientist.  I was only trying to help him smell out the truth.

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1 minute ago, hasher said:
4 minutes ago, Snaggletooth said:

You and Gissie our speakeng abote diffrentte thengs..............                                    :)

I'm not a scientist.  I was only trying to help him smell out the truth.

I thick I see you goalle, and I licke it.                         :)

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Just now, Snaggletooth said:

I thick I see you goalle, and I licke it.                         :)

Love is a wonderful thing.

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22 minutes ago, hasher said:

I have a source for used panties.  You can pmail me.

Do you wear them for more than one day before sending?

 

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4 minutes ago, Gissie said:

Do you wear them for more than one day before sending?

 

I actually manufacture them.  It is the most fun I have when I get the money.  I guess that's as close as you can get to a real woman.

Your credit card didn't clear.  There will be a fee and you will pay.

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1 minute ago, hasher said:

I actually manufacture them.  It is the most fun I have when I get the money.  I guess that's as close as you can get to real woman.

Your credit card didn't clear.  There will be a fee and you will pay.

Why would anyone want a real woman? Expensive and always giving you shit.

Now sheep on the other hand, compliant and quiet. Plus when they get old and ugly you can eat them. Win, win.

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1 minute ago, Gissie said:

Why would anyone want a real woman? Expensive and always giving you shit.

Now sheep on the other hand, compliant and quiet. Plus when they get old and ugly you can eat them. Win, win.

Now I am beginning to understand you.

I bet the sheep never talk back when you babble.

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Just now, hasher said:

Now I am beginning to understand you.

I bet the sheep never talk back when you babble.

Your sheep talk back? Either get off the meds or change breed, life will be easier.

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Just now, Gissie said:

Your sheep talk back? Either get off the meds or change breed, life will be easier.

Do you have meds?  Are they being produced overseas?

As a friend, the local stuff is safer, just a clue.

I'm glad you make the sheep happy because that makes all the females within your striking distance happy and safe.

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On 5/13/2020 at 2:41 PM, Dr. Blue Crab said:

I didn't come anywhere close to "all non-medical degrees - not having value or being phony." This is the kind of sloppy reading and thinking that causes shitfights and misunderstandings. (And remember the subject was the honorifics.) I listed the silliest ones. imo. It's a long list. "Educators" are very interested in keeping that circus on the road. Forget the pandemic. Univ of Phoenix has been offering online doctorates for awhile. And do not allow yourself to forget the doctors that make these doctors doctors. In math, you can either do whatever or you can't. In Education and social sciences there's no there there. Mucking things up with statistics doesn't make it science.

And consider the umpteen classifications in Psych. Your sociopath is someone else's narcissistic personality disorder. What is schizophrenia? Nobody and everybody knows. Way back when dealing with some troubled kids we had some autism issues. No one knew what it was and they still don't 30 years later. There's no there there ...........yet. Treat it? Riggggghhhhht.

Most folks would agree with my assessment that science classes have rigor or to dumb that down, they're really fucking hard. You don't read the novel the night before and pass the calculus test. Philosophy is hard. Lotsa stuff is hard. But not Education. Jill Biden has been a classroom teacher for years. Probably great. But it's not a discipline with any rigor at all. 

I know so many here don't want to hear it or after hearing it don't want to believe it but in my long experience, I've watched the teaching standards get dumbed down to where I'd say 50% of classroom teachers are barely literate/numerate themselves. You can bullshit little kids but the teacher's lounge is open country. And when a know-nothing gets along for long enough ... bingo ... the principal is your pal. And, maybe you've heard, it's tough to get fired. 

We got troubles my friend, right here in river city,

The issue is what we do with the truly bright.  I had a roommate that was taking a full load at Harvard & MIT, and could literally read the calculus text, or the biochem text, or the physics mathematical arguments the night before and ace the examS.  And there are a significant number of folks like that around.  In all sorts of disciplines.  And believe it or not, people do still have choice.  If someone insanely bright wants to understand education at a formal level, who’s out there to say ‘no’?  Moscow intellectuals?  That works at some level, I suppose, but reality is messier than that, and it works better messy.  I suspect you don’t believe that.  That’s ok, makes it messier.  Chaos theory may be an underlying pattern of the universe.  & that’s cool, huh?

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1 hour ago, hasher said:

Do you have meds?  Are they being produced overseas?

As a friend, the local stuff is safer, just a clue.

I'm glad you make the sheep happy because that makes all the females within your striking distance happy and safe.

DANGER WILL ROBINSON!  DANGER WILL ROBINSON!  THREAD DRIFT ALERT!  THREAD DRIFT ALERT! PLEASE ENTER ESCAPE POD!

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4 hours ago, Amati said:

If a moustache was long enough would it be a mask?

Whalers call it "baleen".

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45 minutes ago, Amati said:

 I had a roommate that was taking a full load at Harvard & MIT, and could literally read the calculus text, or the biochem text, or the physics mathematical arguments the night before and ace the examS.  And there are a significant number of folks like that around.  In all sorts of disciplines.

 And believe it or not, people do still have choice.  If someone insanely bright wants to understand education at a formal level, who’s out there to say ‘no’?  Moscow intellectuals?  That works at some level, I suppose, but reality is messier than that, and it works better messy.  I suspect you don’t believe that.  That’s ok, makes it messier.  Chaos theory may be an underlying pattern of the universe.  & that’s cool, huh?

Moscow intellectuals?

The secret's out: Amati smokes pot. Good pot. The best pot.

But all due respect Captain, the issue is NOT: "... what we do with the truly bright." 

 

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13 minutes ago, Dr. Blue Crab said:

Moscow intellectuals?

The secret's out: Amati smokes pot. Good pot. The best pot.

But all due respect Captain, the issue is NOT: "... what we do with the truly bright." 

 

Yes it is, because for the Bottom 40%, what the brightest do is either annoying, or unfathomable  (like magic).  The rest, as you’ve pointed out, ad nauseam, are considered noise.  Or seditious chatter.  

I do not smoke pot.  No pot was harmed in the production of my previous post.  5 year plans (sic) are hatched from the fevered dreams of socialist utopias.  Clean utopias, uncluttered utopias.  Think about the impact of Quantum Mechanics in the 30’s.  At least most back then believed in progress.  Now?  A significant number believe in guns.  
 

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12 hours ago, Laurent said:

Can someone explain to me why Governor Abbott of Texas thinks it is the right time to re-open the state???

The graph below is the number of cases in Texas...

 

because he's not a standup guy..

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10 hours ago, hasher said:

Do you have meds?  Are they being produced overseas?

As a friend, the local stuff is safer, just a clue.

I'm glad you make the sheep happy because that makes all the females within your striking distance happy and safe.

No need for meds not home grown.

Do you have a moustache that holds the next months food allowance?

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PB~~~prayers

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On 5/16/2020 at 5:32 PM, astro said:

That's really fuck PB.

In some other countries I know of you would be attended to.

In some other" States" I know of you would be attended.

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8 hours ago, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

because he's not a standup guy..

B)

In other news - PB, we should be getting daily updates while hoping it's not covid. And if it is you are recovering.

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19 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

B)

In other news - PB, we should be getting daily updates while hoping it's not covid. And if it is you are recovering.

 ^^^^This

Just as Snags is SA's moral compass and conscience, PB has got to be the favorite uncle. I find myself checking into this thread just to see if he's posted an update.

Get well soon Brother.

 

WL

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Hi ya'll. Well this is a son of a bitch. I've weathered a lot of shit and discomfort in my life but this is a MF.....and I would classify my case as moderate. I can't imagine those who become critical.......oh my god..............

So I'm a bit improved but not out of the woods. I'm at day 5 of symptoms. Vitals and overall condition are okay the last couple mornings. Afternoons are a different story. Fever/shakes and low O2 levels, tachycardia, aches - big time - and that persists in waves until bedtime. Still soaking the sheets at night requiring a wash every morning. Zero appetite and have lost 8 pounds so far. I don't recommend it as a weight loss strategy. I didn't have too much to lose anyway. A little chest tightness on and off and a cough that wanders in and leaves periodically. Complete exhaustion all the time. I get winded walking up the stairs. Still I don't judge I'm critical and can weather it at home if it does not get any worse. I will have to be on deaths door before I go to the hospital.

So far as contact tracing.......no. Several reasons......1) the number of cases has prompted our local public health to pretty much stop the tracing effort. They just don't have the staff. 2) I've not been tested, I have concluded I have it based on symptoms, but I'm pretty darn sure. Somewhere downstream after I recover I'll get antibody testing so I can donate plasma if positive for antibodies. So far as public health folks, I doubt they would say anything but "well...stay home just in case". 3) Lastly we have assiduously "stayed at home" and social distanced since late Feb and masks also from...I'd guess mid March onward. Only have been to the grocery store and twice the hardware store since then and always wore a mask. There is literally no-one to warn about the suspected illness to.

So.........hanging in there. I've had a number of friends (20ish) test positive including an ER Doc. (Remember most of my friends are Firefighters, Doc's and Nurses so its an artificially higher risk group than the average person) Most had a milder course than mine, one is dead, one is going on 3 weeks intubated and critical. I doubt at this point he'll make it.

It could be worse...........way worse. 

I thank the universe every morning I wake up without a tube in my throat.

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20 minutes ago, Point Break said:

Hi ya'll. Well this is a son of a bitch. I've weathered a lot of shit and discomfort in my life but this is a MF.....and I would classify my case as moderate. I can't imagine those who become critical.......oh my god..............

So I'm a bit improved but not out of the woods. I'm at day 5 of symptoms. Vitals and overall condition are okay the last couple mornings. Afternoons are a different story. Fever/shakes and low O2 levels, tachycardia, aches - big time - and that persists in waves until bedtime. Still soaking the sheets at night requiring a wash every morning. Zero appetite and have lost 8 pounds so far. I don't recommend it as a weight loss strategy. I didn't have too much to lose anyway. A little chest tightness on and off and a cough that wanders in and leaves periodically. Complete exhaustion all the time. I get winded walking up the stairs. Still I don't judge I'm critical and can weather it at home if it does not get any worse. I will have to be on deaths door before I go to the hospital.

So far as contact tracing.......no. Several reasons......1) the number of cases has prompted our local public health to pretty much stop the tracing effort. They just don't have the staff. 2) I've not been tested, I have concluded I have it based on symptoms, but I'm pretty darn sure. Somewhere downstream after I recover I'll get antibody testing so I can donate plasma if positive for antibodies. So far as public health folks, I doubt they would say anything but "well...stay home just in case". 3) Lastly we have assiduously "stayed at home" and social distanced since late Feb and masks also from...I'd guess mid March onward. Only have been to the grocery store and twice the hardware store since then and always wore a mask. There is literally no-one to warn about the suspected illness to.

So.........hanging in there. I've had a number of friends (20ish) test positive including an ER Doc. (Remember most of my friends are Firefighters, Doc's and Nurses so its an artificially higher risk group than the average person) Most had a milder course than mine, one is dead, one is going on 3 weeks intubated and critical. I doubt at this point he'll make it.

It could be worse...........way worse. 

I thank the universe every morning I wake up without a tube in my throat.

Thank you for the update, PB. Hang in there, you're a tough SOB.

I'm with D'ranger and WL2. If you do nothing else, please take the time to tap out a few words every day so we can rest a bit easier about your status. And make sure your better half stays the hell away from you.

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55 minutes ago, Point Break said:

Hi ya'll. Well this is a son of a bitch. I've weathered a lot of shit and discomfort in my life but this is a MF.....and I would classify my case as moderate. I can't imagine those who become critical.......oh my god..............

So I'm a bit improved but not out of the woods. I'm at day 5 of symptoms. Vitals and overall condition are okay the last couple mornings. Afternoons are a different story. Fever/shakes and low O2 levels, tachycardia, aches - big time - and that persists in waves until bedtime. Still soaking the sheets at night requiring a wash every morning. Zero appetite and have lost 8 pounds so far. I don't recommend it as a weight loss strategy. I didn't have too much to lose anyway. A little chest tightness on and off and a cough that wanders in and leaves periodically. Complete exhaustion all the time. I get winded walking up the stairs. Still I don't judge I'm critical and can weather it at home if it does not get any worse. I will have to be on deaths door before I go to the hospital.

So far as contact tracing.......no. Several reasons......1) the number of cases has prompted our local public health to pretty much stop the tracing effort. They just don't have the staff. 2) I've not been tested, I have concluded I have it based on symptoms, but I'm pretty darn sure. Somewhere downstream after I recover I'll get antibody testing so I can donate plasma if positive for antibodies. So far as public health folks, I doubt they would say anything but "well...stay home just in case". 3) Lastly we have assiduously "stayed at home" and social distanced since late Feb and masks also from...I'd guess mid March onward. Only have been to the grocery store and twice the hardware store since then and always wore a mask. There is literally no-one to warn about the suspected illness to.

So.........hanging in there. I've had a number of friends (20ish) test positive including an ER Doc. (Remember most of my friends are Firefighters, Doc's and Nurses so its an artificially higher risk group than the average person) Most had a milder course than mine, one is dead, one is going on 3 weeks intubated and critical. I doubt at this point he'll make it.

It could be worse...........way worse. 

I thank the universe every morning I wake up without a tube in my throat.

 

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5 minutes ago, BravoBravo said:
5 minutes ago, BravoBravo said:

Only have been to the grocery store and twice the hardware store since then and always wore a mask. There is literally no-one to warn about the suspected illness to.

 

Yeah............but who would I call about the 10 minute grocery trip in a store full of strangers several weeks ago? I mean this county has tested 70,000 people and have 4376 positive. Hundreds of those are in my community. If everyone who is positive notified the grocery stores there is no possible actionable information there, notification or otherwise. They don't exactly take attendance. That doesn't even count non-symptomatic patrons who may be shedding virus. Other part of the problem is this county REFUSES to make wearing masks in essential stores mandatory they only recommend it. So the store only has a sign recommending it. Every day about 1/4 of the customers do not have masks on. I talked to the management and asked why those people are not turned away. His answer was they would require only if the county would make it mandatory but from a corporate viewpoint they will not exceed the local officials requirements but will mirror them. Cowards.

Honestly I'm just not sure how I contracted it. We even open the mail together with gloves and I do the opening and she carefully reaches inside not touching the outside then I strip my gloves and wash my hands diligently. I mean we have been off the chart conservative in our habits. I am guessing one of those folks was probably my vector. I remember one guy not wearing a mask who sneezed walking down the  aisle toward me at about 3 feet distance with no mask and did not cover his mouth. I said loudly "Dude WTF?!" He angrily said I don't believe its necessary and resist infringements on my freedoms. If anytime, I attribute it to that moment. I hope he burns in the fires of hell if such a place exists.

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Well, @Point Break one positive is you have persuaded me not to go to the supermarket to look for items Instacart shoppers  never seem to find. Thanks.

Thinking of you and your recovery. 

Thanks 

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3 hours ago, Point Break said:

It could be worse...........way worse. 

Glad to hear it's not.  Let's hope it doesn't!

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@Point Break, you still have that coffee table book to complete.  Your work here is not finished!

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I wrote this in another thread but Sunday mornings the big treat is tacos etc from our local doughnut place - they now have a sign reading limit 5 customers and maintain 6' distance. There are 4 people so I go in, 2 young girls sans masks are chatting it up at the counter, a moment later a young guy comes in maskless and stands right behind me. I move as far away as possible and so far so good. Everyone else is distancing outside - so I order and go to pay and see mr. muscle shirt guy standing right next to me, wtf - I pay and turn to him and say, I get you don't think you need to wear a mask but what part of 6' do you not get asshole? I walk out to wait for my tacos, all but one guy in the line and have masks and woman says there sure are a lot of people inside and I reply it's that and the asshole with no mask who needs to get right next to me. When they signal my order is ready I duck in, get it and see him outside and he backs way up.

In case it's not obvious I was pissed enough to go all downtown on the dude if he wanted to start something.  I hope he remembers it and tries to be a bit more courteous in the future. It is Texas so not holding my breath.  Most women are wearing masks here, most young guys are not.

Next week I am skipping Sunday and trying Monday AM, everyday is almost the same now thanks to WFH.

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Just now, Windward said:

@Point Break, you still have that coffee table book to complete.  Your work here is not finished!

I no hese a woode workere, butte he riteng a booke on dizineng/bildeng coffee tabelles to?                                           :)

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2 minutes ago, Snaggletooth said:

I no hese a woode workere, butte he riteng a booke on dizineng/bildeng coffee tabelles to?                                           :)

No no... That is @Jules   Two different people I think.  Separated by 3000 miles and a chromosome. 

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Cue the coffee table book about coffee tables  that is also a coffee table - Cosmo Kramer.  Was a funny skit. From the show that was about nothing. 

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1 hour ago, d'ranger said:

I wrote this in another thread but Sunday mornings the big treat is tacos etc from our local doughnut place - they now have a sign reading limit 5 customers and maintain 6' distance. There are 4 people so I go in, 2 young girls sans masks are chatting it up at the counter, a moment later a young guy comes in maskless and stands right behind me. I move as far away as possible and so far so good. Everyone else is distancing outside - so I order and go to pay and see mr. muscle shirt guy standing right next to me, wtf - I pay and turn to him and say, I get you don't think you need to wear a mask but what part of 6' do you not get asshole? I walk out to wait for my tacos, all but one guy in the line and have masks and woman says there sure are a lot of people inside and I reply it's that and the asshole with no mask who needs to get right next to me. When they signal my order is ready I duck in, get it and see him outside and he backs way up.

In case it's not obvious I was pissed enough to go all downtown on the dude if he wanted to start something.  I hope he remembers it and tries to be a bit more courteous in the future. It is Texas so not holding my breath.  Most women are wearing masks here, most young guys are not.

Next week I am skipping Sunday and trying Monday AM, everyday is almost the same now thanks to WFH.

After PB's story, I'm afraid to go to the hardware store, and hardware stores are as important to me as grocery stores.

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4 hours ago, Point Break said:

Yeah............but who would I call about the 10 minute grocery trip in a store full of strangers several weeks ago? I mean this county has tested 70,000 people and have 4376 positive. Hundreds of those are in my community. If everyone who is positive notified the grocery stores there is no possible actionable information there, notification or otherwise. They don't exactly take attendance. That doesn't even count non-symptomatic patrons who may be shedding virus. Other part of the problem is this county REFUSES to make wearing masks in essential stores mandatory they only recommend it. So the store only has a sign recommending it. Every day about 1/4 of the customers do not have masks on. I talked to the management and asked why those people are not turned away. His answer was they would require only if the county would make it mandatory but from a corporate viewpoint they will not exceed the local officials requirements but will mirror them. Cowards.

Honestly I'm just not sure how I contracted it. We even open the mail together with gloves and I do the opening and she carefully reaches inside not touching the outside then I strip my gloves and wash my hands diligently. I mean we have been off the chart conservative in our habits. I am guessing one of those folks was probably my vector. I remember one guy not wearing a mask who sneezed walking down the  aisle toward me at about 3 feet distance with no mask and did not cover his mouth. I said loudly "Dude WTF?!" He angrily said I don't believe its necessary and resist infringements on my freedoms. If anytime, I attribute it to that moment. I hope he burns in the fires of hell if such a place exists.

We are struggling with the same mask/no mask stuff here, and my lawyer/retired general counsel wife said something about remembering some case law from the AIDS era where certain behaviors were criminalized as far as attempting to intentionally infect others.  The local sheriff here says they don’t have enough staff to effectively enforce mask laws, but maybe carrying a phone and taking images of people acting out and posting it somewhere might be something to do?  Some of the lawyers or law enforcement might chime in here.  

I’d like to point out that if the personal freedom to infect is so goddamned important, the each one of us has a RIGHT TO A GODDAMNED N95 MASK RESPIRATOR, AND IT IS CRIMINAL THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE THAT WE DONT HAVE N95 mask protection SHOULDNT BE BROUGHT UP ON CHARGES.  I’m sorry if this belongs in PA, but no N95 masks plus a bunch of self appointed infectious are going to guarantee a steady stream of sick folk to the ER.

Hang in there PB & post so we know you’re ok!  Otherwise it’ll be like that weird feeling you get when somebody gets caught in an undertow.....

 

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11 minutes ago, Dr. Blue Crab said:

After PB's story, I'm afraid to go to the hardware store, and hardware stores are as important to me as grocery stores.

Order on the phone and have folks in mask and gloves come out to the parking lot & put it in the back of your car.  Tip them.  If they don’t offer this, let the manager know that you won’t be back if they don’t-  wipe down the stuff with something when you get home, or leave them out long enough so the particles disintegrate.  

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Lets not forget folks that  mucus membrane of our eyes is also a prime entry point and there is no rhyme or reason why the incredibly tiny virus can find entry. It has also been described  that the virus is so small that it can easily pass thru the mask along with the air we breath, of course wearing a mask is the prudent thing to do as it just may cling to the surfaces of the mask just as dust clings to a household screen while other passes into the house.

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They are at several places contiguous with skin: at the nostrils, the lips of the mouth, the eyelids, the ears, the genital area, and the anus. Along with providing a physical barrier, they also contain key parts of the immune system and serve as the interface between the body proper and the microbiome.

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Tears drain into the puncta, located in the inside corners of your upper and lower eyelids. Your eyelids have small canals (canaliculi) that move tears to a sac where the lids are attached to the side of the nose (lacrimal sac). From there tears travel down a duct (the nasolacrimal duct) draining into your nose

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The human microbiome is the collection of trillions of microbes living in and on the human body. It consists of about a thousand different bacterial species that reside in the mouth, gut and vagina, and on the skin.

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32 minutes ago, Dr. Blue Crab said:

After PB's story, I'm afraid to go to the hardware store, and hardware stores are as important to me as grocery stores.

 

Amazon, and any large retailer will send orders quickly.

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2 hours ago, Windward said:
2 hours ago, Snaggletooth said:

I no hese a woode workere, butte he riteng a booke on dizineng/bildeng coffee tabelles to?                                           :)

No no... That is @Jules   Two different people I think.  Separated by 3000 miles and a chromosome. 

And I think (hope) this is the last coat needed for the top.

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1 minute ago, Jules said:

And I think (hope) this is the last coat needed for the top.

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I made  an 8’ diameter compass rose out of teak inlayed in a crusieship dance floor 

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25 minutes ago, Jules said:

And I think (hope) this is the last coat needed for the top.

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Two words: feng shui ?

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No way in hell to get this any other way. It's probably 50+ years old.

Must have been made in USA.

All it needs for another 50 years is a .05 washer but I had to destroy the part to save it. I could retap it but hey ... this is murica! I have stimulus money to spend.

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1 hour ago, Jules said:

And I think (hope) this is the last coat needed for the top.

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You got something white in the varnish.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Blue Crab said:

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I halve plumbeng fixtiures of similiare vintiage, I halve a goode sourse forre replaicemente partes.                     :)

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12 hours ago, Point Break said:

Hi ya'll. Well this is a son of a bitch. I've weathered a lot of shit and discomfort in my life but this is a MF.....and I would classify my case as moderate. I can't imagine those who become critical.......oh my god..............

So I'm a bit improved but not out of the woods. I'm at day 5 of symptoms. Vitals and overall condition are okay the last couple mornings. Afternoons are a different story. Fever/shakes and low O2 levels, tachycardia, aches - big time - and that persists in waves until bedtime. Still soaking the sheets at night requiring a wash every morning. Zero appetite and have lost 8 pounds so far. I don't recommend it as a weight loss strategy. I didn't have too much to lose anyway. A little chest tightness on and off and a cough that wanders in and leaves periodically. Complete exhaustion all the time. I get winded walking up the stairs. Still I don't judge I'm critical and can weather it at home if it does not get any worse. I will have to be on deaths door before I go to the hospital.

So far as contact tracing.......no. Several reasons......1) the number of cases has prompted our local public health to pretty much stop the tracing effort. They just don't have the staff. 2) I've not been tested, I have concluded I have it based on symptoms, but I'm pretty darn sure. Somewhere downstream after I recover I'll get antibody testing so I can donate plasma if positive for antibodies. So far as public health folks, I doubt they would say anything but "well...stay home just in case". 3) Lastly we have assiduously "stayed at home" and social distanced since late Feb and masks also from...I'd guess mid March onward. Only have been to the grocery store and twice the hardware store since then and always wore a mask. There is literally no-one to warn about the suspected illness to.

So.........hanging in there. I've had a number of friends (20ish) test positive including an ER Doc. (Remember most of my friends are Firefighters, Doc's and Nurses so its an artificially higher risk group than the average person) Most had a milder course than mine, one is dead, one is going on 3 weeks intubated and critical. I doubt at this point he'll make it.

It could be worse...........way worse. 

I thank the universe every morning I wake up without a tube in my throat.

The speed at which the symptoms get worse is unlike any disease you're ever been in contact with.

Thinking it's ok waiting until it gets worse before you consider hospital is a mugs game.

Cautious pro activeness is your friend.

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44 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

The speed at which the symptoms get worse is unlike any disease you're ever been in contact with.

Thinking it's ok waiting until it gets worse before you consider hospital is a mugs game.

Cautious pro activeness is your friend.

Not to preach to the choir, and I am sure PB knows when to pull that alarm. But, The respiratory component strikes really fast. You can be sicker than a dog and thinking it can't get any worse, when it tries to seriously kill you. 

When you find yourself on the edge of the bed/couch, elbows on knees (tripoding) and not able to speak, pull that alarm.

 

WL

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It also seems to be a common pattern for there to be a subjective improvement around the end of the first week and then the shit really hits the fan quickly in week two. Stay alert, PB.

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PB, 

You've always been an inspiration. Beers at my boat at ABYC!

FD

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I find it saddening that someone Who has spent his life giving to the community as a fire fighter and lives in a first world country can't even get a test right now.

Best wishes Point.

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PB, what everybody else said. 

Take care of yourself, we need you here!

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14 hours ago, Point Break said:

He angrily said I don't believe its necessary and resist infringements on my freedoms.

He refused to trade his freedumb for your safety?

Hope you are recovering quickly.

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14 hours ago, Point Break said:

Yeah............but who would I call about the 10 minute grocery trip in a store full of strangers several weeks ago? I mean this county has tested 70,000 people and have 4376 positive. Hundreds of those are in my community. If everyone who is positive notified the grocery stores there is no possible actionable information there, notification or otherwise. They don't exactly take attendance. That doesn't even count non-symptomatic patrons who may be shedding virus. Other part of the problem is this county REFUSES to make wearing masks in essential stores mandatory they only recommend it. So the store only has a sign recommending it. Every day about 1/4 of the customers do not have masks on. I talked to the management and asked why those people are not turned away. His answer was they would require only if the county would make it mandatory but from a corporate viewpoint they will not exceed the local officials requirements but will mirror them. Cowards.

Honestly I'm just not sure how I contracted it. We even open the mail together with gloves and I do the opening and she carefully reaches inside not touching the outside then I strip my gloves and wash my hands diligently. I mean we have been off the chart conservative in our habits. I am guessing one of those folks was probably my vector. I remember one guy not wearing a mask who sneezed walking down the  aisle toward me at about 3 feet distance with no mask and did not cover his mouth. I said loudly "Dude WTF?!" He angrily said I don't believe its necessary and resist infringements on my freedoms. If anytime, I attribute it to that moment. I hope he burns in the fires of hell if such a place exists.

If it's any consolation, remember that that prick doesn't have a worldwide contingent hoping he gets better quickly.

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8 hours ago, Ease the sheet. said:

The speed at which the symptoms get worse is unlike any disease you're ever been in contact with.

Thinking it's ok waiting until it gets worse before you consider hospital is a mugs game.

Cautious pro activeness is your friend.

As I was falling asleep last night I thought the very same thing. Like the old saying about a lawyer representing himself, PB !. My little story, as I've posted before I have ,well in my early days a medical background and a GREAT respect for disease and how quickly thing can go down hill and ........ how high fever can impact JUDGEMENT   some years ago I was leaving Indianapolis to drive back to Florida by myself leaving the family behind for a longer stay. Early morning send off I did not feel well but me being me pressed on, this was July and we had done fireworks the evening before. That morning things quickly went down hill with fever and chills, as I said it was July and I had the heater on in the car, clue #1, I stopped for gas , shaking like a leaf pumping gas, and bought a bottle of aspirin and some drinks...fast forward I made it about 10 hours down the road feeling pretty much the same every time I saw one of those hospital signs on an exit I wondered if I should go, more me being me. Finally I checked into a hotel for the night and the last thing I thought of falling asleep was "I wonder if I'll wake up in the morning"....clue number 2....in my normal state of mind or observing someone else in my condition medical help would have been insisted on  . So PB what I am saying ...you already know if you are reading this.

I did go immediately to my doctor when I got home  mid day and there was a hot raised red ring around an insect bit on my inner thigh , cellulitis,Dx, IM injection and a Rx for more antibiotics 

 

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New normal?

National news: Millions of farm animals to be euthanized. Food banks overwhelmed.

Local news: Food bank broken into and robbed.  First I've heard of this but it won't be the last.

 

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5 minutes ago, Dr. Blue Crab said:

New normal?

National news: Millions of farm animals to be euthanized. Food banks overwhelmed.

Local news: Food bank broken into and robbed.  First I've heard of this but it won't be the last.

 

Yep....think of the TP supply chain and expand that...In Florida we have that same mentality and mania when each hurricane approaches....prepers ain't so nutty after all

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Just checking in for an update on PB - perhaps a separate thread so don't have to wade thru the finger pointing? 

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As a former French expat in Singapore, I am still in the mailing list of several local French/Singaporian organizations. One of them is the French Scientific Council put together by the French Embassy and puting together a list of French doctors, scientist in the medical field, working in Singapore. A few nuggets of their last (lengthy) report:

Singapore is currently using 2 types of serological tests, soon 3 types. They are used to find if you have developed anti-bodies after exposure to the virus. One test, developed by the American company Abbott allows 100 to 200 tests per hour, with an accuracy close to 100%. The second type of test has been developed by the Singaporean company Biolidics, which does not allow tests from several patients at the same time, but return a results within 15 minutes with more than 90% accuracy. The third type will be available in Singapore and other ASEAN countries beginning of June from the French company bioMérieux.

To ease that testing process, several laboratories are working on creating a Finger Prick test (small sting at the tip of your finger, like a blood sugar test for diabetic patients).

Regarding treatments of the disease, more than 1000 clinical studies have been launched around the world, more than for any other desease. A study about the preventative effects of chloroquine is conducted in Singapore with results expected in the coming weeks.

The antiviral medication remdesivir which was effective against SARS and MERS is showing promising results, but has secondary effects on 10% of the patients.

The combination lopinavir-ritonavir which was effective agains MERS does not seem to work against SARS-CoV-2 (COVID 19).

 

Also, the counsel looked at longe term consequences of the virus. Patients who have been asymptomatic or with very light symptoms could still develop over time some fibrosis. Furthermore, immunity if you have been sick has not been proven yet. For reference, antibodies developed by people affected by SARS have not lasted more than 3 years on average.

Symptoms of COVID 19 seem to go far beyond respiratory diseases. The loss of smell and taste indicates that the nervous system is affected. The number of conjunctivitis observed among COVID 19 patients indicates that the vision system is affected as well. The eyes could be a path of contamination for COVID 19, which raises the question of eye protection needs against COVID 19, even outside risk areas.

 

The exit from confinement will have to be managed an monitored very carefully; if done properly, economic recovery could start after the summer. If not done properly, the economical impact could be felt until 2023. The exist from confinement will have to be progressive, and will include maintaining specific measures such as social distancing, wearing a mask, and restrictions on international travels...

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There are several articles out questioning the accuracy of the Abbott tests stating they are missing 30 to 48% of those who are positive.  That Trump loves to show off this machine is purely a coincidence. If those that are missed are never tested and corrected the Abbott is 100% great.

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24 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

There are several articles out questioning the accuracy of the Abbott tests stating they are missing 30 to 48% of those who are positive.  That Trump loves to show off this machine is purely a coincidence. If those that are missed are never tested and corrected the Abbott is 100% great.

2 different Abbott tests.  The test for active virus is the machine in the WH that delivers rapid results with a high false negative rate.  The serology test is for antibodies indicating you have had COVID and developed antibodies.  

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44 minutes ago, Laurent said:

As a former French expat in Singapore, I am still in the mailing list of several local French/Singaporian organizations. One of them is the French Scientific Council put together by the French Embassy and puting together a list of French doctors, scientist in the medical field, working in Singapore. A few nuggets of their last (lengthy) report:

Singapore is currently using 2 types of serological tests, soon 3 types. They are used to find if you have developed anti-bodies after exposure to the virus. One test, developed by the American company Abbott allows 100 to 200 tests per hour, with an accuracy close to 100%. The second type of test has been developed by the Singaporean company Biolidics, which does not allow tests from several patients at the same time, but return a results within 15 minutes with more than 90% accuracy. The third type will be available in Singapore and other ASEAN countries beginning of June from the French company bioMérieux.

To ease that testing process, several laboratories are working on creating a Finger Prick test (small sting at the tip of your finger, like a blood sugar test for diabetic patients).

Regarding treatments of the disease, more than 1000 clinical studies have been launched around the world, more than for any other desease. A study about the preventative effects of chloroquine is conducted in Singapore with results expected in the coming weeks.

The antiviral medication remdesivir which was effective against SARS and MERS is showing promising results, but has secondary effects on 10% of the patients.

The combination lopinavir-ritonavir which was effective agains MERS does not seem to work against SARS-CoV-2 (COVID 19).

 

Also, the counsel looked at longe term consequences of the virus. Patients who have been asymptomatic or with very light symptoms could still develop over time some fibrosis. Furthermore, immunity if you have been sick has not been proven yet. For reference, antibodies developed by people affected by SARS have not lasted more than 3 years on average.

Symptoms of COVID 19 seem to go far beyond respiratory diseases. The loss of smell and taste indicates that the nervous system is affected. The number of conjunctivitis observed among COVID 19 patients indicates that the vision system is affected as well. The eyes could be a path of contamination for COVID 19, which raises the question of eye protection needs against COVID 19, even outside risk areas.

 

The exit from confinement will have to be managed an monitored very carefully; if done properly, economic recovery could start after the summer. If not done properly, the economical impact could be felt until 2023. The exist from confinement will have to be progressive, and will include maintaining specific measures such as social distancing, wearing a mask, and restrictions on international travels...

Thanks again China and your evil Wuhan scientists....wake up world their leaders are evil

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13 minutes ago, BravoBravo said:

Thanks again China and your evil Wuhan scientists....wake up world their leaders are evil

Sheish Bravo...  This is your thread and you are pissing xenophobic PA into it.  Have some respect for your creation.

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36 minutes ago, Windward said:
51 minutes ago, BravoBravo said:

Thanks again China and your evil Wuhan scientists....wake up world their leaders are evil

Sheish Bravo...  This is your thread and you are pissing xenophobic PA into it.  Have some respect for your creation.

the pisse?

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Quick and dirty:

BREVARD COUNTY, Fla. – The scientist who created Florida's COVID-19 data portal wasn't just removed from her position on May 5, she was fired on Monday by the Department of Health, she said, for refusing to manipulate data.

 

Rebekah Jones said in an email to the USA TODAY Network that she single-handedly created two applications in two languages, four dashboards, six unique maps with layers of data functionality for 32 variables covering a half a million lines of data. Her objective was to create a way for Floridians and researchers to see what the COVID-19 situation was in real time.

Then, she was dismissed. 

"I worked on it alone, sixteen hours a day for two months, most of which I was never paid for, and now that this has happened I'll probably never get paid for," she wrote in an email, confirming that she had not just been reassigned on May 5, but fired from her job as Geographic Information Systems manager for the Florida Department of Health.  

Rebekah Jones, the architect of Florida's COVID-19 dashboard, says she was removed from her post, citing "reasons beyond my division’s control." She said her office no longer manages the dashboard and is no longer involved in publication, fixing errors or answering questions "in any shape or form."
 

After USA TODAY Network first reported Jones' removal from her position in charge of the Florida COVID-19 Data and Surveillance Dashboard she created, she confirmed, as reported by CBS-12 in West Palm Beach that she was fired because she was ordered to censor some data, but refused to "manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen."

 

She provided no further details. 

In an email last Friday to researchers and other data users, Jones warned that with her removal changes were likely coming to the accessibility and transparency of the dashboard data. 

"They are making a lot of changes. I would advise being diligent in your respective uses of this data," she wrote.  

Researchers who saw the email reacted with shock and dismay, suggesting it could be evidence that the Gov. Ron De Santis' government was censoring information to support the case for re-opening .        Florida.https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/19/florida-covid-19-coronavirus-data-researcher-out-state-reopens/5218897002/

 

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39 minutes ago, BravoBravo said:

Demons, spaceships, Pink Floyd: Coronavirus survivor reveals vivid hallucinations and nightmares from 'ICU delirium'

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/coronavirus-survivor-vivid-hallucinations-nightmares-icu-delirium-150441787.html

I had a similar experience minus the intubation part during a bad acid trip many years ago.  

It happened within hours though, not days.

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3 hours ago, Dr. Blue Crab said:

Quick and dirty:

BREVARD COUNTY, Fla. – The scientist who created Florida's COVID-19 data portal wasn't just removed from her position on May 5, she was fired on Monday by the Department of Health, she said, for refusing to manipulate data.

 

Rebekah Jones said in an email to the USA TODAY Network that she single-handedly created two applications in two languages, four dashboards, six unique maps with layers of data functionality for 32 variables covering a half a million lines of data. Her objective was to create a way for Floridians and researchers to see what the COVID-19 situation was in real time.

Then, she was dismissed. 

"I worked on it alone, sixteen hours a day for two months, most of which I was never paid for, and now that this has happened I'll probably never get paid for," she wrote in an email, confirming that she had not just been reassigned on May 5, but fired from her job as Geographic Information Systems manager for the Florida Department of Health.  

Rebekah Jones, the architect of Florida's COVID-19 dashboard, says she was removed from her post, citing "reasons beyond my division’s control." She said her office no longer manages the dashboard and is no longer involved in publication, fixing errors or answering questions "in any shape or form."
 

After USA TODAY Network first reported Jones' removal from her position in charge of the Florida COVID-19 Data and Surveillance Dashboard she created, she confirmed, as reported by CBS-12 in West Palm Beach that she was fired because she was ordered to censor some data, but refused to "manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen." 

 

She provided no further details. 

In an email last Friday to researchers and other data users, Jones warned that with her removal changes were likely coming to the accessibility and transparency of the dashboard data. 

"They are making a lot of changes. I would advise being diligent in your respective uses of this data," she wrote.  

Researchers who saw the email reacted with shock and dismay, suggesting it could be evidence that the Gov. Ron De Santis' government was censoring information to support the case for re-opening .        Florida.https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/19/florida-covid-19-coronavirus-data-researcher-out-state-reopens/5218897002/

 

" refused to "manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen."

Really? What kind of a Circus are you guys running?

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13 minutes ago, floating dutchman said:

" refused to "manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen."

Really? What kind of a Circus are you guys running?

Just your typical (R) circus.  The campaign donors are sick and tired of cooking their own food and having to cut their own hair. 

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1 hour ago, Jules said:

Just your typical (R) circus.  The campaign donors are sick and tired of cooking their own food and having to cut their own hair. 

I figured she must have voted D.

The ultimate crime.

I would question Covid figures from R states as closely as those from China.

Lying cocksuckers, the lot of them.

Getting the truth of this period from places like that is going to have to be strictly "surplus deaths" for the period and/or the way they counted holocaust victims through a before & after basis.

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On 5/18/2020 at 7:20 AM, Point Break said:

Hi ya'll. Well this is a son of a bitch. I've weathered a lot of shit and discomfort in my life but this is a MF.....and I would classify my case as moderate. I can't imagine those who become critical.......oh my god..............

So I'm a bit improved but not out of the woods. I'm at day 5 of symptoms. Vitals and overall condition are okay the last couple mornings. Afternoons are a different story. Fever/shakes and low O2 levels, tachycardia, aches - big time - and that persists in waves until bedtime. Still soaking the sheets at night requiring a wash every morning. Zero appetite and have lost 8 pounds so far. I don't recommend it as a weight loss strategy. I didn't have too much to lose anyway. A little chest tightness on and off and a cough that wanders in and leaves periodically. Complete exhaustion all the time. I get winded walking up the stairs. Still I don't judge I'm critical and can weather it at home if it does not get any worse. I will have to be on deaths door before I go to the hospital.

So far as contact tracing.......no. Several reasons......1) the number of cases has prompted our local public health to pretty much stop the tracing effort. They just don't have the staff. 2) I've not been tested, I have concluded I have it based on symptoms, but I'm pretty darn sure. Somewhere downstream after I recover I'll get antibody testing so I can donate plasma if positive for antibodies. So far as public health folks, I doubt they would say anything but "well...stay home just in case". 3) Lastly we have assiduously "stayed at home" and social distanced since late Feb and masks also from...I'd guess mid March onward. Only have been to the grocery store and twice the hardware store since then and always wore a mask. There is literally no-one to warn about the suspected illness to.

So.........hanging in there. I've had a number of friends (20ish) test positive including an ER Doc. (Remember most of my friends are Firefighters, Doc's and Nurses so its an artificially higher risk group than the average person) Most had a milder course than mine, one is dead, one is going on 3 weeks intubated and critical. I doubt at this point he'll make it.

It could be worse...........way worse. 

I thank the universe every morning I wake up without a tube in my throat.

Dude, that sucks!!  But I'm happy that you're still at moderate level.  5 days in and not getting worse is a good sign.  

Besides, you still have to WRITE THAT DAMN BOOK!!!  No way you're leaving this planet until that is done.

Seriously, get better.  I'm not terribly religious, but I will pray for you.  Maybe the FSM is real after all.....  ;)

 

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On 5/18/2020 at 8:44 AM, Point Break said:

Honestly I'm just not sure how I contracted it. We even open the mail together with gloves and I do the opening and she carefully reaches inside not touching the outside then I strip my gloves and wash my hands diligently. I mean we have been off the chart conservative in our habits. I am guessing one of those folks was probably my vector. I remember one guy not wearing a mask who sneezed walking down the  aisle toward me at about 3 feet distance with no mask and did not cover his mouth. I said loudly "Dude WTF?!" He angrily said I don't believe its necessary and resist infringements on my freedoms. If anytime, I attribute it to that moment. I hope he burns in the fires of hell if such a place exists.

If that asshat is still alive, I'm happy to come there and hunt him down and then drive east to the open desert.  You know what they say..... Friends help you move, GOOD friends help you move the body.  

I hope he's on a ventilator right now.  

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8 minutes ago, Female Canine Firestorm said:

If that asshat is still alive, I'm happy to come there and hunt him down and then drive east to the open desert.  You know what they say..... Friends help you move, GOOD friends help you move the body.  

I hope he's on a ventilator right now.  

It’s a lot quicker and cleaner to take him for a swim half way to Catalina Island.  Of course, he’ll have zip ties around his wrists and ankles, and maybe an anchor tied to him.  I have a few extra anchors, if needed!

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8 minutes ago, silent bob said:

It’s a lot quicker and cleaner to take him for a swim half way to Catalina Island.  Of course, he’ll have zip ties around his wrists and ankles, and maybe an anchor tied to him.  I have a few extra anchors, if needed!

Good call.

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18 hours ago, floating dutchman said:

" refused to "manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen."

Really? What kind of a Circus are you guys running?

Well, with the kinds of skills she has at data visualization, I'm sure she'll find another job quickly. 

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On 4/1/2020 at 10:23 AM, MR.CLEAN said:

he gonna be Ron DeVirus from now on.

 

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Well I popped positive this morning, two days after my wife

Talking with the dr and our covid  expert at work,  we feel that I’ve been symptomatic Since 5/13.   I did not have an covid symptoms until late Friday early Saturday  when I kicked over a fever of 102.7.  Wed, Thursday and early Friday I was tired,  not 100%,  queasy stomach, not hungry.  Not exactly covid symptoms but my body was telling me something wasn’t right.  I do have allergies and I was popping bandryl and Flonase, and pollen counts were up.

sweats, chills and fevers, and general lethargy, with the occasional cough have been me and mrs only symptoms.

definilty got it easier than PB

 

today I spent a few hours in the shop working on my star 45,  will likely spend a few more hours after lunch.  Actually it’s the first day I felt like doing more than laying on the couch

 

 

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Good luck with your recovery.

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Another one!   

Ack!  These forums will be slow if we all keep dropping like this.

Unacceptable!

Best of luck Marc.   Bad scene.

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16 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Get better soon, Marc.   Do ya have anyone close enough to help w/stuff?   

Thanks,  Yeah,  nice neighbors and in laws all offering help if we need it

We are pretty well stocked up with food and necessities, I could stand to skip a few meals anyway... And I have enough odds and end to do in the shop So I don’t drive the wife crazy.

our kid is staying isolated from us and we have a pretty good schedule in place to keep her safe and allow her first access to all the food plates, ect before the infected move in for chow.  She s got two rooms and a bathroom to play with and she’s started taking some online summer classes, so  we’ll be lucky if we see her more than once a day

im going to try the next few days with no Tylenol or Motrin.  See how the temps are going.  But other than my peak. I’ve been a couple degrees below 98.6.

for those that care I’m 47, 230lbs 5 10 And I was emergency essential at the unviserty and had been at work 5 days a weekup since the stuff hit the fan, until last Friday.

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