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Would you crew on a boat where the owner has 'opposite' political views?

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WTF with the OP.....dude has been around long enough to know who LR is, makes a sock puppet up and then doesn't comply with the newbie rules.

Shouldn't this be in PA?

 

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48 minutes ago, GTim said:

doesn't comply with the newbie rules.

Shouldn't this be in PA?

 

let me help a bro out

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I've had the good fortune to sails with folks of both major political opinions.  Strongly held beliefs.  Implacable, even.

95% or 99% of the time we are busy talking about sailing while on the boat.  Politics (and sports) are distractions from racing.  I've snapped at teammates to "talk about the next wind, not the Yankees" while on the rail.  Can't remember anyone talking Trump or Obama or any politics on the rail.

My teammates who know my beliefs might well make fun of me back on land -- and it's just fun, because why get into a disagreement?  I'm not going to change their minds, they won't change mine.

I'll continue to sail with, and count as very good friends, some folks who have political beliefs opposite of mine.  (They are wrong, of course!)  Also some folks with whose beliefs I'm closely aligned.  

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Thanks for the responses. I was not really referring to politics discussed on the boat. I have never been on THIS boat. I do have a feeling that they are more excited to try to do well rather than debate  / discuss DC politics. 

It was really about the social media political ranting and that turning me off as crew.

P.S. Espo is a Dick.  When he asked me to do bow for him at B.I.R.W, I told him it would cost $200/Day.

Go Team!

 

 

 

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58 minutes ago, Rando said:

I've had the good fortune to sails with folks of both major political opinions.  Strongly held beliefs.  Implacable, even.

95% or 99% of the time we are busy talking about sailing while on the boat.  Politics (and sports) are distractions from racing.  I've snapped at teammates to "talk about the next wind, not the Yankees" while on the rail.  Can't remember anyone talking Trump or Obama or any politics on the rail.

My teammates who know my beliefs might well make fun of me back on land -- and it's just fun, because why get into a disagreement?  I'm not going to change their minds, they won't change mine.

I'll continue to sail with, and count as very good friends, some folks who have political beliefs opposite of mine.  (They are wrong, of course!)  Also some folks with whose beliefs I'm closely aligned.  

As long as they are Trump supporters, I'm good to sail

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19 hours ago, Crash said:

yeah, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't let a Yankees fan on my boat :P

2 rules.  No CU crap, No packers Crap and god for bid you bring a red wings jersey on board.  Keelhaul you(it) I will...  ;)

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17 hours ago, Controversial_posts said:

After seeing one of my crew’s FB posts about the SOU, I have dropped her from the roster for this upcoming season.  

I’d rather sail without bigots who wear stupid maga hats. Sorry find another boat, theres plenty out there.

So you are intolerant of someone else's opinion?

Did she ever spout off on the boat or was she respectful and just sailed?

 

On 2/6/2020 at 5:54 AM, kent_island_sailor said:

 I swear Facebook is probably the worst possible thing that has ever happened to interpersonal relationships

18 hours ago, sshow bob said:

Man, that’s the truth.

I deactivated my FB account until at least the Election is over. Too much BS over there. If people would just share video pictures of puppies that would be better.

 

 

 

This is sad but has a happy ending

 

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I cut ties completely with a long time crew member and friend (who loved trump), after he defended locking brown skin people in cages and then justifying it by saying, "Obama did it too." That was enough for me. Those fucking Reich Wing statements are better spent somewhere else than on my boat.

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35 minutes ago, Meat Wad said:

 

So you are intolerant of someone else's opinion?

 

I think that there is a difference between being tolerant of opinion and being tolerant of bigotry. It can be hard to draw a hard line, and as individual we may choose to draw that line in slightly different places. But there are comments and views that do not warrant 'tolerance', most racist comments and other forms of 'hate speech' fall in this category.

If I am aware that someone is expressing bigoted or racist views I will not 'tolerate' that.

I won't assume that because someone is wearing a MAGA hat they are a bigot.

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I won’t sail on a boat that has crappy beer on board.

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2 hours ago, Editor said:

I cut ties completely with a long time crew member and friend (who loved trump), after he defended locking brown skin people in cages and then justifying it by saying, "Obama did it too." That was enough for me. Those fucking Reich Wing statements are better spent somewhere else than on my boat.

I struggle to believe Im agreeing with the Ed here... further proof we are all living in a simulation and “they” are just fucking with the code now.

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21 hours ago, Editor said:

I cut ties completely with a long time crew member and friend (who loved trump), after he defended locking brown skin people in cages and then justifying it by saying, "Obama did it too." That was enough for me. Those fucking Reich Wing statements are better spent somewhere else than on my boat.

18 hours ago, Controversial_posts said:

I struggle to believe Im agreeing with the Ed here... further proof we are all living in a simulation and “they” are just fucking with the code now.

 

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On 2/6/2020 at 10:10 PM, AmericanVagrant said:

Precisely!

 

"The whole world is festering with unhappy souls.
The French hate the Germans,  the Germans hate the Poles, 

Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch ...

And I don't like anyone very much."

 

 

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i wouldn't mind having some leftists crew on my boat, as long as they kept their political opinions and world views in general to themselves, at least while onboard.

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On 2/6/2020 at 9:07 AM, jack_sparrow said:

As long as he provides really cool crew gear who cares what his political views are...nothing can go wrong surely??

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well played, Mr. Sparrow, well played.  

As an aside, I was in Paris last summer, 75 years to the day that the Battle of Paris commenced and ran, briefly....there were Hugo Boss posters on a LOT of the street kiosks.

As they say, you cannot make this yit up. Ya just can't. 

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I have, and do all the time. Don’t care. I don’t let divisive politics change my friendships. Never will.

I don’t hide my beliefs. If they can’t stand my sarcastic smart assed humor, oh well.

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On my boat you leave your Religion, Political, Sexual and Music Preference at the dock! But do not expect me to be politically correct when the kite goes in the water.

You don't like my opinions get your own frigging boat. But I guess you will have to become a capitalist before that will happen....

FRENZY

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wowsers... the anger is palpable... 

I have crew who manifest far different beliefs, that's their prerogative and I support them in it, other than debating when to tack. 

If you won't have crew on your boat or crew on a boat, simply because you have political/religious/sexual/racial/XXX differences with the others, what kind of a shallow intolerant human are you? 

Tossing labels is far easier than thinking, and it's pretty apparent that thinking seems to be beyond quite a few if you are so bigoted as to limit yourself to likeminded. 

 

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If you won't have crew on your boat or crew on a boat, simply because you have political/religious/sexual/racial/XXX differences with the others, what kind of a shallow intolerant human are you? 

Just to be clear, are you saying that you not only condone but invite those who are racist, misogynist, anti-vaxxers, etc because you're deep and tolerant?

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Firstly, I believe you can hold differing beliefs on race, religion, sexual/xxx and not be a racist, misogynist, homophobe, etc.

Secondly, I believe there's a huge difference between not allowing someone to behave in a racist manner towards another person, and allowing a person with differing views on race to be on your boat.  How else can you show/teach such a person that they have more in common, less reason to mistrust, etc, etc, a person of another race, if all you do is shut them out.  Shutting them out of society only drives them to more extreme behaviors...drives them to seek out only those whose views are the same (or more radical) then theirs...etc, etc.

Finally, as the old saying goes, "Hate the sin, not the sinner"

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On 2/6/2020 at 2:16 PM, SSOCK said:

It's off season, and I have met the owner and some of the crew. Meh, it seems that they are newer sailors and they could use some help.

I think that it could be a good fit as they are not all 'rockstars' that do not take suggestion.

Owner FB 'friends' me and seems to spout a lot of political opinion / stuff that I do not necessarily agree with.

Do I keep it in my hat (as we ALL have previously raced with / for owners that we do not share the same political views)?

I am inclined to give it a try and see how things shake out, if I do not like it, I can always bail I guess.

Flame On and no I am not LR or Left Hook or even Snaggie..

Talk politics on the boat and I’ll turn you into shark food

 

talk politics in the bar after the race and I’ll find out where you live and bulldoze your whole neighborhood 

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58 minutes ago, Crash said:

Firstly, I believe you can hold differing beliefs on race, religion, sexual/xxx and not be a racist, misogynist, homophobe, etc.

Secondly, I believe there's a huge difference between not allowing someone to behave in a racist manner towards another person, and allowing a person with differing views on race to be on your boat.  How else can you show/teach such a person that they have more in common, less reason to mistrust, etc, etc, a person of another race, if all you do is shut them out.  Shutting them out of society only drives them to more extreme behaviors...drives them to seek out only those whose views are the same (or more radical) then theirs...etc, etc.

Finally, as the old saying goes, "Hate the sin, not the sinner"

Amen, crash

 

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Never mind just the owner, the rest of the crew as well.

Just let the conversation pass and get on with sailing.

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12 hours ago, Moonduster said:

If you won't have crew on your boat or crew on a boat, simply because you have political/religious/sexual/racial/XXX differences with the others, what kind of a shallow intolerant human are you? 

Just to be clear, are you saying that you not only condone but invite those who are racist, misogynist, anti-vaxxers, etc because you're deep and tolerant?

No, I don't inquire into the personal beliefs of my friends and crew.

"Just to be clear, are you saying that you" do ? 

 

I don't care what they do in private with other consenting adult(s) and I don't care who they vote for. 

Somebody who loudly and continuously advocates for their beliefs is not likely to be someone I would find to be compatible, no matter what the beliefs. Just as someone who continually seeks to deprecate and belittle is unlikely to have many friends. 

 

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11 hours ago, Moonduster said:

Firstly ...

Secondly ...

Finally ...

I wasn't talking to you.

I know you weren't.  If you were talking to me, you might have to open your field of view some.  Not because I think I'm right.  I may well be wrong.  I've been wrong about many things.  But, the fact that you are unwilling to talk to me seems to indicate you are afraid of open and honest conversation.  It also begs the questions, why are you afraid of that?  What are you afraid of?

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No, I don't inquire into the personal beliefs of my friends and crew.

"Just to be clear, are you saying that you" do ?

That's a non-sequitur. The premise, based on the original post, is that one already knows their views are "different". My question remains. Once you find out that you're sailing with a self-avowed racist, for example, would you "tolerate" their presence?

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5 hours ago, Moonduster said:

No, I don't inquire into the personal beliefs of my friends and crew.

"Just to be clear, are you saying that you" do ?

That's a non-sequitur. The premise, based on the original post, is that one already knows their views are "different". My question remains. Once you find out that you're sailing with a self-avowed racist, for example, would you "tolerate" their presence?

We get to hung up on 'racists', more important is dealing with people who say racist things.I can tolerate almost anyone, i won't tolerate racist behaviors, and I wont excuse racist behaviors  because I know that the person 'is not a racist'. Someone who makes racist comments needs to be told that those comments are not ok, and often helped to understand why. They don't need to be labelled as 'racists' in most cases, and it tends to be counterproductive when they are, because it makes people more likely to try to justify their behavior rather than change it.

If someone  makes racists comments knowing that their comments are not ok, then I don't want to sail with them. I'm not going to keep quiet and ignore them, they are not going to stop and the environment will not being what I enjoy when sailing (or doing any other activity).

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Yeah absolutely you can. On the boat we don't talk politics. We talk boat speed, targets, polars, shifts, favored sides and the competition. No time for politics...  

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29 minutes ago, Movable Ballast said:


Yeah absolutely you can. On the boat we don't talk politics. We talk boat speed, targets, polars, shifts, favored sides and the competition. No time for politics...  

Yup. If you're blathering on about politics you won't be invited back.  I sail in part to get away from that shit.

 

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I race/boat to escape all the bullshit on the shore. What I cannot stand currently on the course are those assclowns using Trump flags as battle flags. Or those powerboaters with no brain cells flying them from their outriggers. Just as bad as people with bumper stickers on their cars. Then again, it does allow me to know who is a fucking idiot these days.

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to get along, I'll abide a tRumphole's beliefs on all things except the 'environment', cause the environment isn't a matter of the sociopolitical, it's far more important than that.

the bitch about it all, though, is that the term tRumphole says all too much in this day and age. but if the simple fk knows how to sail a boat and doesn't toss shit into the water, I'll let him be a simple fk in peace.

 

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21 hours ago, Moonduster said:

No, I don't inquire into the personal beliefs of my friends and crew.

"Just to be clear, are you saying that you" do ?

That's a non-sequitur. The premise, based on the original post, is that one already knows their views are "different". My question remains. Once you find out that you're sailing with a self-avowed racist, for example, would you "tolerate" their presence?

Hardly a non sequitur. and Nice dodge, but you didn't need to answer. 

As I noted, anyone who consistently advocates any beliefs is unlikely to be somebody I want to spend time with.

Rather than go down a limited list and argue why some *isms and *ists are on it and others not... 

*ists, Vegans, Flat earthers, immature folk, Anybody who's private practices are not private.  statists, communists, Birch Society, Libertarians (with a capital L) Decriminalizers, open borders etc. , Just about any of that, brought inescapably to my attention and I will not want to associate. 

quibblers and pettifoggers have a special place, sitting on the weather rail...  

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2 minutes ago, LionessRacing said:

quibblers and pettifoggers have a special place, sitting on the weather rail...  

On a wet miserable beat to weather!!!

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Can we all agree that anyone who brings Captain Morgan on the boat should be banned?

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On 2/7/2020 at 7:24 PM, lydia said:

FLYER RULES

Which ones?

The only one I have heard about was "No politics unless it is right wing".

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11 hours ago, Timo42 said:

Can we all agree that anyone who brings Captain Morgan on the boat should be banned?

It's the thought that counts.

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Ok. This is good. Now we have two statements. The latter is:

Just about any of that, brought inescapably to my attention and I will not want to associate.

That statement is pretty much diametrically opposed to your previous statement:

If you won't have crew on your boat or crew on a boat, simply because you have political/religious/sexual/racial/XXX differences with the others, what kind of a shallow intolerant human are you? 

And this is the crux of it, really. I appreciate these things are difficult to state clearly. The age-old definition of pornography (we can't explain it but we know it when we see it) gets to the essence of the dilemma. Personally, when I read your earlier post I rolled my eyes as it seems like naive idealism at best. When I read your latter post, I thought it was a closer approximation of a reasonable position.

They cannot both be true or perhaps I'm missing some nuance. What's the straight dope?

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7 hours ago, Moonduster said:

They cannot both be true or perhaps I'm missing some nuance. What's the straight dope?

You seem obliged to seek confrontation? Hard for me to say as we have never met. 

 

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I crewed for years for an owner with almost completely opposite political views than me.  I considered him a friend, he's since passed on but has left an indelible mark on my outlook on live.  He didn't change my political views much, but I'm better for having known him.

 

One thing I think that's important for people, especially in our, current political climate is to not to seek out confirmation bias.  It's too easy to put yourself in an echo chamber surrounded by only people with the same views.  Everyone should embrace challenges to their views.  And anyone who knows me knows the owner I'm talking about, he most certainly challenged views opposed to his.  Some people couldn't tolerate him for it, no doubt he was a pain in the ass about politics.  But I'm glad I crewed for him and put up with his views.

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In general, no reason to avoid sailing with, being friends with, breaking bread with, etc. etc. with anyone with opposite political beliefs. It is only an issue if they insist on beating everyone around them over the head with their beliefs. That's just annoying and unpleasant for everyone. Doesn't matter whether or not you agree with them. It's just not worth dealing with. 

Where it gets dicey is when your personal ethical or moral compass is directly engaged that can cause issues (i.e. the owner rips his beer cans in half and throws them overboard even when relatively inshore, etc.). Then the question is how to handle yourself. Do you say something? Do you just simply not sail with him/her again? etc. Not that I've seen an owner do that in the past 20 years, but as an example as to where a meaningful line may be. 

 

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On 2/7/2020 at 12:22 PM, Editor said:

I cut ties completely with a long time crew member and friend (who loved trump), after he defended locking brown skin people in cages and then justifying it by saying, "Obama did it too." That was enough for me. Those fucking Reich Wing statements are better spent somewhere else than on my boat.

I enjoy a good political discussion, and no, that does not mean everybody nodding in agreement.

Differences in political views, and more specifically, differences in views on specific policies are one thing. Being hateful is another matter. "If they don't have the money to buy health care, we should let them die", was apparently not an over the top joke in bad taste, but a sincerely held belief. I've not been on that boat since.

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On 2/7/2020 at 3:18 AM, Santana20AE said:

Football!  There’s no football, there’s only LSU FOOTBALL.  (All others are losers) at least this year!  

GO TIGERS 

(and LA Tech won their bowl game as well, GO DOGS!).

 

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He’s going to look good in black and orange stripes.

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As the OP, I am going to report that I plan to do the Wed night series (at least the first section) with this boat.  After reading all the above and remembering most of the 35 yrs of big boat racing, I realize that I should try it and just see what happens.  What the owner puts up on FB is her business and her ideology is pretty much commonplace anyway.

Thanks for the wake up call.

SSOCK Out   

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On 2/6/2020 at 7:53 PM, Controversial_posts said:

After seeing one of my crew’s FB posts about the SOU, I have dropped her from the roster for this upcoming season.  

I’d rather sail without bigots who wear stupid maga hats. Sorry find another boat, theres plenty out there.

Was she a below average, average, or above average crew member?

Did the other crew members like her?

Was she vocal about her political views while aboard or at crew events?

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On 2/12/2020 at 1:55 PM, trimfast said:

I race/boat to escape all the bullshit on the shore. What I cannot stand currently on the course are those assclowns using Trump flags as battle flags. Or those powerboaters with no brain cells flying them from their outriggers. Just as bad as people with bumper stickers on their cars. Then again, it does allow me to know who is a fucking idiot these days.

Typical loser you are

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I thin some of you need to understand the definition of bigotry: "intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself". (my emphasis)

I don't have a clue who any of my crew voted for (including my wife most of the time). I also don't care. I am out there to sail, not talk politics. I also don't care who they sleep with or what they choose to do in their free time. I merely want them to show up, be on time and have fun sailing with relative competence. (beer can level)

Remember when the red hats were just kinda dorky where sailors gather? Now apparently that color is grounds for immediate dismissal....

Why is this thread not on PA?

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4 hours ago, rockb said:

Was she a below average, average, or above average crew member?

Did the other crew members like her?

Was she vocal about her political views while aboard or at crew events?

Average. If you’re just average at sailing, you should be improving, funny, or pretty. But Trmptard isn’t a plus.

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    At the height of the Falklands crisis, we needed to haul out one of the Hinckley's in our USVI based fleet for Hurricane Season. One of our senior skippers usually had taken that particular boat over to Nanny Cay from St John because he had gotten to know the owner well over the years. However, the year in which my story took place the owner had not been down to sail his boat, probably because he was an Argentinian and it didn't seem like a very good idea to be cruising the British Virgin Islands that year. 

    We had a young gung-ho female first mate from the year before that had worked hard and gotten her 6 Pack USCG license and the company boss thought that the 10 mile sail to Nanny Cay would be perfect for her first 'delivery' in command. I had hoped to get the trip but agreed that it would be a nice feather in her hat, it being an international voyage and all...

    She was thrilled and chose a girlfriend of hers to crew and was even buying rounds of drinks for the staff at Happy Hour on Friday night before her Saturday departure! This was a new side to her sometimes irritating manner but then the boss told her that just like in flying it might be well to adhere to the pilots rule of '12 hours between bottle and throttle' and she did as suggested. The boss left and she was tempted to have 'one for the road' but our top dog skipper told her she needed to be on her toes for the big adventure the next day. She hung around and you would think she was going to be leaving in the morning for the boats home registry of Argentina so I couldn't help take her aside and privately ask her if she was nervous about sailing into United Kingdom territorial waters aboard an Argentinian registered and owned vessel? She gave me a 'dumb blonde look and it turned out she was so politically unaware that she didn't even know that Great Britain and Argentina had a real war going on with big gray ships getting sunk with major loss of sailors lives. I suggested that she not fly the Argentinian Yachting Ensign that the owner loved to fly when he way on board and to just keep her mouth shut and not go drinking at the Nanny Cay sailors bar and just catch the ferry home as soon as the boat was secured. I was mostly pulling her leg but I had noticed on my last trip to BVI that the old Tortolans in the rum shops were very fired up about the conflict with Argentina probably because Islanders such as themselves were highly regarded in the British Navy as Coxswains for their skills in small boat handling especially coming into beaches and landing with heavy surf.

     Well that really seemed to take some wind out of her sails, so to speak and we got her off on her adventure early the next morning. At that time if you were coming into Nanny Cay the skipper could catch a taxi into Roadtown with the ships papers and crew passports to clear Customs and Immigration and do the paperwork for the months long layover on the hard at the Marina. Things must have gone smoothly for the girls because they were back early on the ferry. One of the reasons for the skippers doing that sort of short trip was that if you stuck around while the boat got pressure washed and inspected the running gear and thru hull fittings it was pretty easy to 'miss' the evening St John ferry and spend a night on the boat and have a 'per diem' meal in Roadtown and catch the morning ferry and log a second days pay for the venture. I really didn't think much of the hasty return of our newest skipper and she didn't answer my queries about it. 

    So 6 months later when things had been settled in the S. Atlantic and the Falkland Islands crisis was old news it was time to go paint and re-commission the Argentinian Hinckley for the upcoming sailing season. The girl skipper was once again offered the task as it had been hinted that the Argentinian owner had the hots somewhat for her and might need her onboard for a 'few days' after his arrival to recoup his sailing skills. To everyone's surprise she declined the offer and Rick the top skipper went over to retrieve the boat. He didn't even want crew because he was just going to clear out and have them drop the boat in the water and he would just motor out of the slings and motor on to St John on the short downwind trip. He was given the boats folio pouch and caught the ferry and dropped into Customs and started filling out the departure papers and then could not find the arrival papers from months ago as the officer looked at what he had just filled out. After a bit of confusion he was told he could not clear out because there was no record of the boat having cleared in when the girl brought the boat over. She had thought that she would be considered an enemy combatant as the skipper of an Argentinian vessel and just skipped the whole process! 

    Rick had to spend an extra day and there was a lot of ''splainin' to do Lucy" but it was eventually sorted out. So much for politics and sailing...

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1 hour ago, mal5033 said:

I thin some of you need to understand the definition of bigotry: "intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself". (my emphasis)

I don't have a clue who any of my crew voted for (including my wife most of the time). I also don't care. I am out there to sail, not talk politics. I also don't care who they sleep with or what they choose to do in their free time. I merely want them to show up, be on time and have fun sailing with relative competence. (beer can level)

Remember when the red hats were just kinda dorky where sailors gather? Now apparently that color is grounds for immediate dismissal....

Why is this thread not on PA?

A "difference of opinion" is whether you drink coffee or tea, or if you like Dark & Stormies over Mt. Gay & Tonic.

It's a bit more when the "opinion" supports erasing segments of the population and their right to a free and equal existence.

 

That being said, I sailed with people of all stripes on my boat back when I raced. As the boat owner, I was probably the most liberal guy on the boat. If things crossed into a way I thought was inappropriate, I'd express my discomfort, but I never lost a crew member over it. For example I'm the sort of guy that wouldn't accept the phrase "BN" on my boat unless you mean "Nurturer" for the N bit. Say it in front of me, and I will let my position be known.

But there was little room for talking politics on the water and it wasn't a subject for cockpit conversation. Another boat I sailed on occasionally, there was someone there that like to wear his Rush Limbaugh shirt when he knew I was sailing. But that I viewed as more or a reflection on him than me since I did my best not to rise to the bait.

 

Today, life is different. My boat is my home, and if you're sailing with me beyond a daysail (which we don't do much) we're going to be living together for a while. I have perhaps...different...rules for that, though it hasn't precluded me from inviting some surprising people to come sail a leg with me over the years. But you're in my home...walking on eggshells in my house isn't something I want to do. I am always open to rational, polite and informed discussion on a face to face basis, but if you attack me in my home you won't be invited back.

Frankly, I don't think this belongs in PA. An unwillingness to discuss these matters publicly and openly has gotten us to where we are today, I think. So many have forgotten to have discussions and even rational arguments without shouting and insulting people, and part of that is because we say we shouldn't do it.

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On 2/12/2020 at 10:15 PM, Timo42 said:

Can we all agree that anyone who brings Captain Morgan on the boat should be banned?

I'll bring some Flor de Cana

1 hour ago, DrWatson said:

You're welcome on my ship. Your God is not.

 

What if I'm an Ancient Alien Theorist?

1 hour ago, mal5033 said:

I thin some of you need to understand the definition of bigotry: "intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself". (my emphasis)

I don't have a clue who any of my crew voted for (including my wife most of the time). I also don't care. I am out there to sail, not talk politics. I also don't care who they sleep with or what they choose to do in their free time. I merely want them to show up, be on time and have fun sailing with relative competence. (beer can level)

Remember when the red hats were just kinda dorky where sailors gather? Now apparently that color is grounds for immediate dismissal....

Why is this thread not on PA?

Amen, PA it should go

2 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

A "difference of opinion" is whether you drink coffee or tea, or if you link Dark & Stormies over Mt. Gay & Tonic.

It's a bit more when the "opinion" supports erasing segments of the population and their right to a free and equal existence.

 

Aren't you down under?
How do you feel about the Aussie / Brits killing off most of the Aboriginal population?? Oh and the Kiwi almost killing off the Mauri's?

Please explain what opinion supports erasing segments of the population? And whose right to a free and equal existence?
There is genocide in many parts of the world but I have not seen any in the US.

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8 minutes ago, Gumbercules said:
17 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

A "difference of opinion" is whether you drink coffee or tea, or if you link Dark & Stormies over Mt. Gay & Tonic.

It's a bit more when the "opinion" supports erasing segments of the population and their right to a free and equal existence.

 

Aren't you down under?
How do you feel about the Aussie / Brits killing off most of the Aboriginal population?? Oh and the Kiwi almost killing off the Mauri's?

Please explain what opinion supports erasing segments of the population? And whose right to a free and equal existence?
There is genocide in many parts of the world but I have not seen any in the US.

Not relevant to the discussion, unless you're trying to be a giant twat.

Oh...yeah.

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As long as political differences stay elsewhere , and not on board, they are irrelevant. On the water, precious moments should be dedicated to enjoying the rapture of sailing. Only that is worthy of conversation when afloat.  Don't spoil it with the BS of our political kabuki. It is all a lie, anyway. Save that crap for after the 3rd rum or brewski on the dock.

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39 minutes ago, Gumbercules said:

Aren't you down under?
How do you feel about the Aussie / Brits killing off most of the Aboriginal population?? Oh and the Kiwi almost killing off the Mauri's?

Please explain what opinion supports erasing segments of the population? And whose right to a free and equal existence?
There is genocide in many parts of the world but I have not seen any in the US.

28 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

Not relevant to the discussion, unless you're trying to be a giant twat.

Oh...yeah.

Typical to answer without an answer. Just a name calling.

You stated "It's a bit more when the "opinion" supports erasing segments of the population and their right to a free and equal existence."

WTF are you talking about? be specific.

 

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Political allegiance doesn't get me the damn pickle dish.  Hard work does.

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21 minutes ago, Gumbercules said:

Typical to answer without an answer. Just a name calling.

You stated "It's a bit more when the "opinion" supports erasing segments of the population and their right to a free and equal existence."

WTF are you talking about? be specific.

 

This is not the thread for this discussion. I'll make you one, since you can't seem to control yourself.

 

Here you go.

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There is literally no other person on earth whose political opinions are identical to mine. If I couldn't sail with people who disagree with me politically, I'd be single handing, which is OK, but not good for the occasional race. 

My cutoff isn't politics, it's intelligence and do I enjoy being around you. Are you nice? If you're smart and a nice person, I'd probably enjoy sailing with you., and you might like sailing with me. 

If you're a nice person, I don't care (within limits) what your politics are, we'll likely get along. 

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22 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

This is not the thread for this discussion. I'll make you one, since you can't seem to control yourself.

 

Here you go.

You made the original statement not me.

Grow the F up and quit being an ASS.

I could give a shit what someone thinks, Like many have said. You step on my boat and we go out to win, not argue.
We win, I buy the first round. The Mighty Gumbercules has won it's share.

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4 hours ago, Gumbercules said:

You made the original statement not me.

Grow the F up and quit being an ASS.

I could give a shit what someone thinks, Like many have said. You step on my boat and we go out to win, not argue.
We win, I buy the first round. The Mighty Gumbercules has won it's share.

You're the one pushing for a topical political discussion in the thread, not me. It's why I gave you your own thread.

 

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On 2/27/2020 at 8:28 PM, Cruisin Loser said:

There is literally no other person on earth whose political opinions are identical to mine. If I couldn't sail with people who disagree with me politically, I'd be single handing, which is OK, but not good for the occasional race. 

My cutoff isn't politics, it's intelligence and do I enjoy being around you. Are you nice? If you're smart and a nice person, I'd probably enjoy sailing with you., and you might like sailing with me. 

If you're a nice person, I don't care (within limits) what your politics are, we'll likely get along. 

^ this ^

Everybody's an ass once in a while. Some more often than others. The things I want in a crew: pay attention, don't whine too much, listen, enjoy sailing, put up with me on those rare occasions when I'm an ass, and don't be an ass yourself too often. Politics? Wide open, just as long as you're willing to listen to others as much as you want to lecture about why you're right.

Nobody agrees with me 100% of the time about politics, religion, music, or which tack is favored.

FB- Doug

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