The Dark Knight 679 #1 Posted February 10, 2020 Bill Gates is having a 112m superyacht built for him and it will be powered by liquid hydrogen https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-10/bill-gates-drops-24500-million-on-hydrogen-powered-superyacht/11949380?sf229868516=1&fbclid=IwAR1iGY2EbPZdCY75aERC_sI0tFyeas3VoOU3SPT5I4KsghbgcKxX67tqtdY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailabout 76 #2 Posted February 10, 2020 how do you make the hydrogen? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #3 Posted February 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, Sailabout said: how do you make the hydrogen? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apophenia 148 #4 Posted February 10, 2020 Billg just needs to staff an onboard electrolysis clinic. Not only will he produce plenty of hydrogen, but he will also draw an endless stream of bikini-wearers. Seems like a win all the way around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,440 #5 Posted February 10, 2020 Picture of the sails please, or fuck off to your Greta thread! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waynemarlow 129 #6 Posted February 10, 2020 Every high sunlight area of the world is capable of producing hydrogen using the high temperatures capable to split hydrogen and psst every renewable that sits there when not needed for electricity, should be used to power the hydrogen splitting process and it would be then totally renewable energy. One of the great beta v VHS moments, battery power or hydrogen power when you consider you already have the infrastructure to transport hydrogen across most country's via the gas network. https://www.worcester-bosch.co.uk/professional/hydrogen-future-of-fuel https://www.h2-view.com/story/worcester-bosch-unveils-hydrogen-boiler/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waynemarlow 129 #7 Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said: Picture of the sails please, or fuck off to your Greta thread! For a man who regularly participates in the Brexit train wreck of Jacko's thread, pot and kettle is black. Get back in your box. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #8 Posted February 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said: Picture of the sails please, or fuck off to your Greta thread! why don't you just fuck off full stop wanker.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waynemarlow 129 #9 Posted February 10, 2020 And just for a starter https://www.h2-view.com/story/worlds-largest-renewable-hydrogen-factory-starts-fit-out/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #10 Posted February 10, 2020 Billy G may have a little bit of trouble refuelling at times, but he has enough money to hire a hydrogen tanker ship to come to him. Regardless, his boat will encourage other billionaires to follow his lead. Expect this to be the first of many in the one-upmanship, mine is bigger than yours.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,705 #11 Posted February 10, 2020 If it promotes clean(er) energy use and technology, then go for it. https://sinot.com/ I wonder which yard has the build contract?? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,440 #12 Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) You've chosen to ignore content by Waynemarlow. Options You've chosen to ignore content by Waynemarlow. Options You've chosen to ignore content by The Dark Knight. Options You've chosen to ignore content by Waynemarlow. Options You've chosen to ignore content by The Dark Knight. Options Edited February 10, 2020 by Fiji Bitter Still smiling... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waynemarlow 129 #13 Posted February 10, 2020 25 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said: Billy G may have a little bit of trouble refuelling at times, but he has enough money to hire a hydrogen tanker ship to come to him. Regardless, his boat will encourage other billionaires to follow his lead. Expect this to be the first of many in the one-upmanship, mine is bigger than yours.... As he's a major shareholder in https://heliogen.com/ Perhaps he'll build his first supply side installations where his ship will dock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 977 #14 Posted February 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said: You've chosen to ignore content by Waynemarlow. Options You've chosen to ignore content by Waynemarlow. Options You've chosen to ignore content by The Dark Knight. Options You've chosen to ignore content by Waynemarlow. Options You've chosen to ignore content by The Dark Knight. Options Your forever pissing people off Fiji. Is this a hobby of yours? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,440 #15 Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, terrafirma said: Your forever pissing people off Fiji. Is this a hobby of yours? People? You mean deplorables! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #16 Posted February 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said: People? You mean deplorables! You are not that bad... nah, you are... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kent_island_sailor 3,418 #17 Posted February 10, 2020 That thing is FUGLY. Besides for having to shave its butt and teach it to walk backwards, where do you buy liquid hydrogen? I think I have seen exactly one hydrogen delivery truck in the last 5 years. I have a feeling this "green" boat is going to be followed around by a diesel powered ship full of hydrogen tanks to refuel it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kent_island_sailor 3,418 #18 Posted February 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Waynemarlow said: Every high sunlight area of the world is capable of producing hydrogen using the high temperatures capable to split hydrogen and psst every renewable that sits there when not needed for electricity, should be used to power the hydrogen splitting process and it would be then totally renewable energy. One of the great beta v VHS moments, battery power or hydrogen power when you consider you already have the infrastructure to transport hydrogen across most country's via the gas network. https://www.worcester-bosch.co.uk/professional/hydrogen-future-of-fuel https://www.h2-view.com/story/worcester-bosch-unveils-hydrogen-boiler/ FYI - hydrogen leaks right out of "gas tight" plumbing. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sailabout 76 #19 Posted February 10, 2020 Perhaps it will have a nuclear reactor with a gen set and electrodes in the sea making hydrogen so he can say its carbon neutral and not nuclear powered? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GBH 64 #20 Posted February 10, 2020 It's nothing to do with Bill Gates, was simply a flier from the Sinot design lot and some wishful thinking from a sub ed along the line. BG has better things to do. And hydrogen on that scale? Fuckwits. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BravoBravo 666 #21 Posted February 10, 2020 One would think it would have a nuclear reactor....4,000 NM cruising range is NOTHING 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Student_Driver 162 #22 Posted February 10, 2020 Vast majority of h2 available today is a byproduct of fossil fuels combustion/industrial process. Green h2 is a niche. completely impractical and not green at all. i have been in h2 business for a few years. Huge potential and great investment but not ready for yachting. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,705 #23 Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, kent_island_sailor said: FYI - hydrogen leaks right out of "gas tight" plumbing. 18 minutes ago, GBH said: It's nothing to do with Bill Gates, was simply a flier from the Sinot design lot and some wishful thinking from a sub ed along the line. BG has better things to do. And hydrogen on that scale? Fuckwits. 8 minutes ago, Student_Driver said: Vast majority of h2 available today is a byproduct of fossil fuels combustion/industrial process. Green h2 is a niche. completely impractical and not green at all. i have been in h2 business for a few years. Huge potential and great investment but not ready for yachting. Case closed, end of thread. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #24 Posted February 10, 2020 25 minutes ago, GBH said: It's nothing to do with Bill Gates, was simply a flier from the Sinot design lot and some wishful thinking from a sub ed along the line. BG has better things to do. And hydrogen on that scale? Fuckwits. It's disappointing to see that you are correct https://sinot.com/ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,705 #25 Posted February 10, 2020 And another vaporware rendering bites the dust. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kent_island_sailor 3,418 #26 Posted February 10, 2020 22 minutes ago, Student_Driver said: Vast majority of h2 available today is a byproduct of fossil fuels combustion/industrial process. Green h2 is a niche. completely impractical and not green at all. i have been in h2 business for a few years. Huge potential and great investment but not ready for yachting. Ever see a hydrogen powered car? IIRC BMW and Toyota sell them. Engines run fine on it, but you have to live near a place that sells hydrogen to consumers for cars. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billy backstay 944 #27 Posted February 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Waynemarlow said: Every high sunlight area of the world is capable of producing hydrogen using the high temperatures capable to split hydrogen and psst every renewable that sits there when not needed for electricity, should be used to power the hydrogen splitting process and it would be then totally renewable energy. One of the great beta v VHS moments, battery power or hydrogen power when you consider you already have the infrastructure to transport hydrogen across most country's via the gas network. https://www.worcester-bosch.co.uk/professional/hydrogen-future-of-fuel https://www.h2-view.com/story/worcester-bosch-unveils-hydrogen-boiler/ So, you're saying switch Hydrogen for Nat-Gas, and expect everyone in the country to swap powerplants overnight? That should be a non-starter.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Student_Driver 162 #28 Posted February 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said: Ever see a hydrogen powered car? IIRC BMW and Toyota sell them. Engines run fine on it, but you have to live near a place that sells hydrogen to consumers for cars. H2 is available. It’s just not “green”. “Brown” h2 from carbon/fossil fuel derived sources account for >90% of h2 used today. We do both h2 p2g and h2 g2p. Am well aware of the ICE and FC h2 auto and other initiatives. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waynemarlow 129 #29 Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Student_Driver said: Vast majority of h2 available today is a byproduct of fossil fuels combustion/industrial process. Green h2 is a niche. completely impractical and not green at all. i have been in h2 business for a few years. Huge potential and great investment but not ready for yachting. Yup, huge potential and a great investment, we are just going down the wrong path of ferking batteries, imagine 20 years of development of hydrogen cells that the batteries have had and where we would be. Bit like air turbines and the sea below them moving constantly back and forwards with the tide with water turbines at a a better efficiency of about 100 times and never having to rely on the vagaries of the wind. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waynemarlow 129 #30 Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, billy backstay said: So, you're saying switch Hydrogen for Nat-Gas, and expect everyone in the country to swap powerplants overnight? That should be a non-starter.... Yup, under law in the UK we cannot sell gas powered central heaters in 2025. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kent_island_sailor 3,418 #31 Posted February 10, 2020 If H2 is made from CH4, hell of a lot cheaper to just sell the CH4 and skip some expensive processing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,705 #32 Posted February 10, 2020 57 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said: Yup, under law in the UK we cannot sell gas powered central heaters in 2025. Which laws? Are you sure they won’t be torn up in the next 5 years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 469 #33 Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Waynemarlow said: Bit like air turbines and the sea below them moving constantly back and forwards with the tide with water turbines at a a better efficiency of about 100 times and never having to rely on the vagaries of the wind. With the exception that semi or fully submerged wave power/tidal generating gadgets are still struggling with excess corrosion and high maintenance costs and/or low funding for trial projects which reflects in the materials used. On paper/screen it all looks good but once you throw it in the drink, all of a sudden a myriad of things go pop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waynemarlow 129 #34 Posted February 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Laser1 said: With the exception that semi or fully submerged wave power generating gadgets are still struggling with excess corrosion and high maintenance costs and/or low funding for trial projects which reflects in the materials used. On paper/screen it all looks good but once you throw it in the drink, all of a sudden a myriad of things go pop. Agree, but unless we actually properly trial and understand best practice, then wave power and tidal power is in its infancy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billy backstay 944 #35 Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Waynemarlow said: Yup, under law in the UK we cannot sell gas powered central heaters in 2025. Sure, but you can't shut everyone off, overnight? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 1,466 #36 Posted February 10, 2020 7 hours ago, Fiji Bitter said: You've chosen to ignore content by Waynemarlow. Options You've chosen to ignore content by Waynemarlow. Options You've chosen to ignore content by The Dark Knight. Options You've chosen to ignore content by Waynemarlow. Options You've chosen to ignore content by The Dark Knight. Options Congratulations. Now, why are you still here on this thread? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 1,466 #37 Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, mad said: And another vaporware rendering bites the dust. There's a staggering amount of makework rendering talent just blown through wholesale in the "yaahting" "industry." Some talented people but lots of wasted effort. If you get paid though it's all good. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ModernViking 298 #38 Posted February 10, 2020 What could possibly go wrong? https://qz.com/1641276/a-hydrogen-fueling-station-explodes-in-norways-baerum/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
port tack 12 #39 Posted February 10, 2020 Take this topic to Liquid Hydrogen Anarchy please. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 1,466 #40 Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Laser1 said: With the exception that semi or fully submerged wave power/tidal generating gadgets are still struggling with excess corrosion and high maintenance costs and/or low funding for trial projects which reflects in the materials used. On paper/screen it all looks good but once you throw it in the drink, all of a sudden a myriad of things go pop. There's that pesky little problem called "marine growth" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fiji Bitter 1,440 #41 Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, fastyacht said: Congratulations. Now, why are you still here on this thread? You have a very strange way of quoting me. And why don't you stick to your favourite Greta thread as well? Or take a port tack! Just now, port tack said: Take this topic to Liquid Hydrogen Anarchy please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 1,466 #42 Posted February 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said: You have a very strange way of quoting me. And why don't you stick to your favourite Greta thread as well? Or take a port tack! Fiji do you have a sense of humour? Why are you here? You doth protest yet linger and we find that hilarious. Edit. Tacking humour noted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laker 232 #43 Posted February 10, 2020 9 hours ago, The Dark Knight said: You electrolyse sea water. Very easy, very efficient. You do not need belching power plants or cracking natural gas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laker 232 #44 Posted February 10, 2020 4 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said: Ever see a hydrogen powered car? IIRC BMW and Toyota sell them. Engines run fine on it, but you have to live near a place that sells hydrogen to consumers for cars. You are obviously not of the ammonia religion. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laker 232 #45 Posted February 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Student_Driver said: H2 is available. It’s just not “green”. “Brown” h2 from carbon/fossil fuel derived sources account for >90% of h2 used today. We do both h2 p2g and h2 g2p. Am well aware of the ICE and FC h2 auto and other initiatives. In your area. All of our admittedly small amount of hydrogen comes from a direct from hydro electrolyser Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 1,466 #46 Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Laker said: You are obviously not of the ammonia religion. Yep. There's that. Ammonia as the hydrogen and some kind of dibenzyl toluene or something for the Oxygen. We'll see where that all goes. Of course the real actual large scale production of anhydrous ammonia follows directly from natural gas...and is produced worldwide, principally for fertilizer. The side reactions are interesting though, as they get a few other beneficial compounds out of the conversion as well as some energy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meat Wad 538 #47 Posted February 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Student_Driver said: Vast majority of h2 available today is a byproduct of fossil fuels combustion/industrial process. Green h2 is a niche. completely impractical and not green at all. i have been in h2 business for a few years. Huge potential and great investment but not ready for yachting. 3 hours ago, Waynemarlow said: Yup, huge potential and a great investment, we are just going down the wrong path of ferking batteries, imagine 20 years of development of hydrogen cells that the batteries have had and where we would be. Bit like air turbines and the sea below them moving constantly back and forwards with the tide with water turbines at a a better efficiency of about 100 times and never having to rely on the vagaries of the wind. Everything is being designed to extract as much $$$ from those you pay, you and me. I believe Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe?? https://www.thoughtco.com/most-abundant-element-in-the-universe-602186 It's all about protecting the power base. If the Oil economy is disrupted someone is going to lose big time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vibroman 110 #48 Posted February 10, 2020 Fake News. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51446663 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moonduster 312 #49 Posted February 10, 2020 Hydrogen is the least obvious power source for a variety of reasons including: There is no known energy efficient methodology for its extraction/refinement It is notoriously difficult to store and transfer It is highly explosive at very low ratios Here's a good primer on why this is, and will probably always be, a terrible idea. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 1,466 #50 Posted February 10, 2020 58 minutes ago, fastyacht said: Yep. There's that. Ammonia as the hydrogen and some kind of dibenzyl toluene or something for the Oxygen. We'll see where that all goes. Of course the real actual large scale production of anhydrous ammonia follows directly from natural gas...and is produced worldwide, principally for fertilizer. The side reactions are interesting though, as they get a few other beneficial compounds out of the conversion as well as some energy. After posting I thought, "wait, where's the oxygen go?" I misremembered it. The DBT is another alternative to the ammonia. Here's a paper on it: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.iecr.5b01840 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laker 232 #51 Posted February 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, Moonduster said: Hydrogen is the least obvious power source for a variety of reasons including: There is no known energy efficient methodology for its extraction/refinement It is notoriously difficult to store and transfer It is highly explosive at very low ratios Here's a good primer on why this is, and will probably always be, a terrible idea. I would really take the primer to task on many areas. The production of H2, can be efficient, in this case a run of river monopole generator driving a simple "H" catalytic electrolysed. It's storage and transport is an issue. Ammonia presently works well in an industrial setting, but graphene is showing promise for consumer level. The 2 to 4 percent explosive level is low, but the handling process in conventional submarines to ensure that the flame speed remains high has shown an ability to account for the low level. It is also a narrow band of concentration for explosiveness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 1,466 #52 Posted February 10, 2020 22 minutes ago, Laker said: I would really take the primer to task on many areas. The production of H2, can be efficient, in this case a run of river monopole generator driving a simple "H" catalytic electrolysed. It's storage and transport is an issue. Ammonia presently works well in an industrial setting, but graphene is showing promise for consumer level. The 2 to 4 percent explosive level is low, but the handling process in conventional submarines to ensure that the flame speed remains high has shown an ability to account for the low level. It is also a narrow band of concentration for explosiveness. Do you see graphene adsorption as overtaking the dibenzyl toluene version? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laker 232 #53 Posted February 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, fastyacht said: Do you see graphene adsorption as overtaking the dibenzyl toluene version? Don't know at this time. As more and more is done with both, an answer will come. It is like the chairman of Toyota talking about the new race that started in 2010. In the year 1910, about equal number of steam, ICE and electric vehicles were made. The ICE won out because of the invention of the electric starter. The 2010 race has just begun. The only thing that I believe will be short term is the use of lithium based batteries. Aluminum-air is sure making a case for itself. Vanadium fuel cells sure make sense. and on and on. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,705 #54 Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Laser1 said: With the exception that semi or fully submerged wave power/tidal generating gadgets are still struggling with excess corrosion and high maintenance costs and/or low funding for trial projects which reflects in the materials used. On paper/screen it all looks good but once you throw it in the drink, all of a sudden a myriad of things go pop. There was a big input a few years ago in the UK for that industry with some very big players involved, at least 2 bailed within a couple of months of Brexit. I seem to remember a lot of discussion about long term payment contracts for feed into the grid and a big chunk of the investment and funding came from EU funds and when that started to dry up, they bailed out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,705 #55 Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, fastyacht said: There's a staggering amount of makework rendering talent just blown through wholesale in the "yaahting" "industry." Some talented people but lots of wasted effort. If you get paid though it's all good. But it’s one hell off an outlay considering how bits of art work you see generated!! What are the odds of getting that one big commission? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 1,466 #56 Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, mad said: But it’s one hell off an outlay considering how bits of art work you see generated!! What are the odds of getting that one big commission? 1000:1? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,705 #57 Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, ModernViking said: What could possibly go wrong? https://qz.com/1641276/a-hydrogen-fueling-station-explodes-in-norways-baerum/ It’s not exactly a Deepwater Horizon event! if that was a stopping criteria, we’d have no steam, diesel, nuclear power at all. probably still arguing about lighting fires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,705 #58 Posted February 10, 2020 2 hours ago, fastyacht said: There's that pesky little problem called "marine growth" Just use Navy grade antifoul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,705 #59 Posted February 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Laker said: You electrolyse sea water. Very easy, very efficient. You do not need belching power plants or cracking natural gas. Are those cooling towers with just some condensed moisture coming out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastyacht 1,466 #60 Posted February 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, mad said: Just use Navy grade antifoul. Even better: make the whole damned struture out of tri butyl tin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grande Mastere Dreade 2,029 #61 Posted February 10, 2020 8 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said: That thing is FUGLY. Besides for having to shave its butt and teach it to walk backwards, where do you buy liquid hydrogen? I think I have seen exactly one hydrogen delivery truck in the last 5 years. I have a feeling this "green" boat is going to be followed around by a diesel powered ship full of hydrogen tanks to refuel it i know it's vaporware, but the boning room up front looks cool... if you coordinate your motions as you go over the waves.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moonduster 312 #62 Posted February 11, 2020 I would really take the primer to task on many areas. Oh? Please ... go right ahead. The production of H2, can be efficient, in this case a run of river monopole generator driving a simple "H" catalytic electrolysed. But please strive for coherent sentences; focus on usage, grammar, punctuation and spelling. I can't figure out anything from this beauty. If what you're trying to say is that some generator in a river can crack H from O2, then no, it is not efficient. It takes far more energy to crack the H than can be subsequently extracted from the H. It is the definition of inefficient. You'd be far, far better to have stored the energy from the river in a lousy flooded lead-acid battery and retrieve it later. Lower cost, more reliable, more efficient, safer, etc. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 977 #63 Posted February 11, 2020 10 hours ago, The Dark Knight said: It's disappointing to see that you are correct https://sinot.com/ When I first read the story on Bill Gates forking out money for this it didn't smell right. Bill is not that kinda guy at his stage in life. He is not one to flash around his money in a fashion like this. Poor performance by whoever made this story up.! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedAClew 1,071 #64 Posted February 11, 2020 Actually Gates was interested, but Ellison (flush with Tesla cap gains on paper and feeling squishy Oracle stock performance) said he'd pay more just to get it away from Now just try closing... ( ludicrous font) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laker 232 #65 Posted February 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Moonduster said: I would really take the primer to task on many areas. Oh? Please ... go right ahead. The production of H2, can be efficient, in this case a run of river monopole generator driving a simple "H" catalytic electrolysed. But please strive for coherent sentences; focus on usage, grammar, punctuation and spelling. I can't figure out anything from this beauty. If what you're trying to say is that some generator in a river can crack H from O2, then no, it is not efficient. It takes far more energy to crack the H than can be subsequently extracted from the H. It is the definition of inefficient. You'd be far, far better to have stored the energy from the river in a lousy flooded lead-acid battery and retrieve it later. Lower cost, more reliable, more efficient, safer, etc. Didn't you take high-school science? The "H" piece of glass tubing with the bits of platinum in them and the salt water added? The electricity is provided by a monopole generator driven by an axial turbine driven by the river. It seems my spell check changed electrolyser into electrolysed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laker 232 #66 Posted February 11, 2020 6 hours ago, mad said: It’s not exactly a Deepwater Horizon event! if that was a stopping criteria, we’d have no steam, diesel, nuclear power at all. probably still arguing about lighting fires. It is a wonder the Navy gets lead acid batteries past SubSafe. (sarcasm here) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laker 232 #67 Posted February 11, 2020 7 hours ago, fastyacht said: Even better: make the whole damned struture out of tri butyl tin. Or important areas out of Copper-Nickel. Strength of aluminum and weight of steel, but limited growth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #68 Posted February 11, 2020 4 hours ago, terrafirma said: When I first read the story on Bill Gates forking out money for this it didn't smell right. Bill is not that kinda guy at his stage in life. He is not one to flash around his money in a fashion like this. Poor performance by whoever made this story up.! With the exception of getting some law changed so that he can drive his 959 Porsche in California, I've never heard of any extravagant hobbies of his. So admittedly I thought this purchase was out of character... I should apply for a job in the media. Like them, I failed to investigate it more thoroughly... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 977 #69 Posted February 11, 2020 2 hours ago, The Dark Knight said: With the exception of getting some law changed so that he can drive his 959 Porsche in California, I've never heard of any extravagant hobbies of his. So admittedly I thought this purchase was out of character... I should apply for a job in the media. Like them, I failed to investigate it more thoroughly... You never know TDK.? I got fooled too when I first saw it. Anyway it was good publicity for the project perhaps or bad? Anyone's call.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 469 #70 Posted February 11, 2020 12 hours ago, mad said: There was a big input a few years ago Approx 10 to be exact. One of the biggest money holes in the sea imaginable. The £ figure in the article is not the whole truth. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-43588728 And they still spin it up as the best thing since sliced bread. We know and have dealt with some of the players and they are very good at twisting the truth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,705 #71 Posted February 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, Laser1 said: Approx 10 to be exact. One of the biggest money holes in the sea imaginable. The £ figure in the article is not the whole truth. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-43588728 And they still spin it up as the best thing since sliced bread. We know and have dealt with some of the players and they are very good at twisting the truth. Sounds as if you could work for a spin dept as well. This was a more successful trial. Quote A tidal energy turbine installed in Strangford Lough, County Down, is to be removed. The SeaGen turbine was lowered into place in 2008 and generates electricity from from tidal currents. Two horizontal axis turbines are anchored to the seabed and are driven by the powerful currents resulting from the tide moving in and out. Its owners Atlantis Resources said it will be decommissioned later this year. The company said it had been "an essential research and design platform". Stephen Ward, the firm's director of power generation, said: "This year, we will embark on the next stage of the R&D (research and development) process and focus on decommissioning the SeaGen device. "This operation will be the first commercial scale turbine development to be decommissioned and will help us to understand the complete life-cycle of a tidal stream development." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-35416282 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waynemarlow 129 #72 Posted February 11, 2020 And https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-49471881 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,705 #73 Posted February 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said: And https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-49471881 A lot of EU funding in there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Waynemarlow 129 #74 Posted February 11, 2020 The Scots are awash with money, they can pay all prescriptions, uni fees etc and they want to be in the EU long may it continue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 469 #75 Posted February 11, 2020 2 hours ago, mad said: Sounds as if you could work for a spin dept as well. Well with some much of somebody else's money sloshing about I feel I made the wrong career choices some time ago 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 679 #76 Posted February 11, 2020 It's funny that no one has noticed my spelling ooops in the title Blii Gates Hydrogen superyacht Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laser1 469 #77 Posted February 11, 2020 56 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said: It's funny that no one has noticed my spelling ooops in the title Blii Gates Hydrogen superyacht We've noticed !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hobot 1,864 #78 Posted February 11, 2020 We're a very forgiving bunch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mad 3,705 #79 Posted February 11, 2020 We’ve got used to it and don’t expect any improvements. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
