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Billg just needs to staff an onboard electrolysis clinic. Not only will he produce plenty of hydrogen, but he will also draw an endless stream of bikini-wearers. Seems like a win all the way around.

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Picture of the sails please, or fuck off to your Greta thread!

 

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Every high sunlight area of the world is capable of producing hydrogen using the high temperatures capable to split hydrogen and psst every renewable that sits there when not needed for electricity, should be used to power the hydrogen splitting process and it would be then totally renewable energy.

One of the great beta v VHS moments, battery power or hydrogen power when you consider you already have the infrastructure to transport hydrogen across most country's via the gas network.

https://www.worcester-bosch.co.uk/professional/hydrogen-future-of-fuel

https://www.h2-view.com/story/worcester-bosch-unveils-hydrogen-boiler/

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2 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Picture of the sails please, or fuck off to your Greta thread!

 

For a man who regularly participates in the Brexit train wreck of Jacko's thread, pot and kettle is black. Get back in your box.

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4 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Picture of the sails please, or fuck off to your Greta thread!

 

why don't you just fuck off full stop wanker....

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Billy G may have a little bit of trouble refuelling at times, but he has enough money to hire a hydrogen tanker ship to come to him. 

Regardless, his boat will encourage other billionaires to follow his lead. Expect this to be the first of many in the one-upmanship, mine is bigger than yours.... 

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If it promotes clean(er) energy use and technology, then go for it.

https://sinot.com/

I wonder which yard has the build contract??

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25 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

Billy G may have a little bit of trouble refuelling at times, but he has enough money to hire a hydrogen tanker ship to come to him. 

Regardless, his boat will encourage other billionaires to follow his lead. Expect this to be the first of many in the one-upmanship, mine is bigger than yours.... 

As he's a major shareholder in https://heliogen.com/

Perhaps he'll build his first supply side installations where his ship will dock.

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Just now, terrafirma said:

Your forever pissing people off Fiji. Is this a hobby of yours? :D

People? You mean deplorables! :lol:

 

 

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That thing is FUGLY. Besides for having to shave its butt and teach it to walk backwards, where do you buy liquid hydrogen? I think I have seen exactly one hydrogen delivery truck in the last 5 years.  I have a feeling this "green" boat is going to be followed around by a diesel powered ship full of hydrogen tanks to refuel it :rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Every high sunlight area of the world is capable of producing hydrogen using the high temperatures capable to split hydrogen and psst every renewable that sits there when not needed for electricity, should be used to power the hydrogen splitting process and it would be then totally renewable energy.

One of the great beta v VHS moments, battery power or hydrogen power when you consider you already have the infrastructure to transport hydrogen across most country's via the gas network.

https://www.worcester-bosch.co.uk/professional/hydrogen-future-of-fuel

https://www.h2-view.com/story/worcester-bosch-unveils-hydrogen-boiler/

 

FYI - hydrogen leaks right out of "gas tight" plumbing.

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Perhaps it will have a nuclear reactor with a gen set and electrodes in the sea making hydrogen so he can say its carbon neutral and not nuclear powered?

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It's nothing to do with Bill Gates, was simply a flier from the Sinot design lot and some wishful thinking from a sub ed along the line.   BG has better things to do.  And hydrogen on that scale?  Fuckwits.

 

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One would think it would have a nuclear reactor....4,000 NM cruising range is NOTHING 

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Vast majority of h2 available today is a byproduct of fossil fuels combustion/industrial process.  Green h2 is a niche.  
 

completely impractical and not green at all. 
 

i have been in h2 business for a few years.  Huge potential and great investment but not ready for yachting.  

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1 hour ago, kent_island_sailor said:

FYI - hydrogen leaks right out of "gas tight" plumbing.

 

18 minutes ago, GBH said:

It's nothing to do with Bill Gates, was simply a flier from the Sinot design lot and some wishful thinking from a sub ed along the line.   BG has better things to do.  And hydrogen on that scale?  Fuckwits.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Student_Driver said:

Vast majority of h2 available today is a byproduct of fossil fuels combustion/industrial process.  Green h2 is a niche.  
 

completely impractical and not green at all. 
 

i have been in h2 business for a few years.  Huge potential and great investment but not ready for yachting.  

Case closed, end of thread. :)

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25 minutes ago, GBH said:

It's nothing to do with Bill Gates, was simply a flier from the Sinot design lot and some wishful thinking from a sub ed along the line.   BG has better things to do.  And hydrogen on that scale?  Fuckwits.

 

It's disappointing to see that you are correct

https://sinot.com/

 

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And another vaporware rendering bites the dust.

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22 minutes ago, Student_Driver said:

Vast majority of h2 available today is a byproduct of fossil fuels combustion/industrial process.  Green h2 is a niche.  
 

completely impractical and not green at all. 
 

i have been in h2 business for a few years.  Huge potential and great investment but not ready for yachting.  

Ever see a hydrogen powered car? IIRC BMW and Toyota sell them. Engines run fine on it, but you have to live near a place that sells hydrogen to consumers for cars.

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4 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Every high sunlight area of the world is capable of producing hydrogen using the high temperatures capable to split hydrogen and psst every renewable that sits there when not needed for electricity, should be used to power the hydrogen splitting process and it would be then totally renewable energy.

One of the great beta v VHS moments, battery power or hydrogen power when you consider you already have the infrastructure to transport hydrogen across most country's via the gas network.

https://www.worcester-bosch.co.uk/professional/hydrogen-future-of-fuel

https://www.h2-view.com/story/worcester-bosch-unveils-hydrogen-boiler/

 

So, you're saying switch Hydrogen for Nat-Gas, and expect everyone in the country to swap powerplants overnight?  That should be a non-starter....

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29 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Ever see a hydrogen powered car? IIRC BMW and Toyota sell them. Engines run fine on it, but you have to live near a place that sells hydrogen to consumers for cars.

H2 is available.  It’s just not “green”.  “Brown” h2 from carbon/fossil fuel derived sources account for >90% of h2 used today. 
 

We do both h2 p2g and h2 g2p.  Am well aware of the ICE and FC h2 auto and other initiatives. 

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1 hour ago, Student_Driver said:

Vast majority of h2 available today is a byproduct of fossil fuels combustion/industrial process.  Green h2 is a niche.  
 

completely impractical and not green at all. 
 

i have been in h2 business for a few years.  Huge potential and great investment but not ready for yachting.  

Yup, huge potential and a great investment, we are just going down the wrong path of ferking batteries, imagine 20 years of development of hydrogen cells that the batteries have had and where we would be.

Bit like air turbines and the sea below them moving constantly back and forwards with the tide with water turbines at a a better efficiency of about 100 times and never having to rely on the vagaries of the wind.

 

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1 hour ago, billy backstay said:

 

So, you're saying switch Hydrogen for Nat-Gas, and expect everyone in the country to swap powerplants overnight?  That should be a non-starter....

Yup, under law in the UK we cannot sell gas powered central heaters in 2025.

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57 minutes ago, Waynemarlow said:

Yup, under law in the UK we cannot sell gas powered central heaters in 2025.

Which laws? Are you sure they won’t be torn up in the next 5 years? 

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1 hour ago, Waynemarlow said:

Bit like air turbines and the sea below them moving constantly back and forwards with the tide with water turbines at a a better efficiency of about 100 times and never having to rely on the vagaries of the wind.

 

With the exception that semi or fully submerged wave power/tidal generating gadgets are still struggling with excess corrosion and high maintenance costs and/or low funding for trial projects which reflects in the materials used.   On paper/screen it all looks good but once you throw it in the drink, all of a sudden a myriad of things go pop.

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5 minutes ago, Laser1 said:

With the exception that semi or fully submerged wave power generating gadgets are still struggling with excess corrosion and high maintenance costs and/or low funding for trial projects which reflects in the materials used.   On paper/screen it all looks good but once you throw it in the drink, all of a sudden a myriad of things go pop.

Agree, but unless we actually properly trial and understand best practice, then wave power and tidal power is in its infancy.

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1 hour ago, Waynemarlow said:

Yup, under law in the UK we cannot sell gas powered central heaters in 2025.

 

Sure, but you can't shut everyone off, overnight?

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3 hours ago, mad said:

And another vaporware rendering bites the dust.

There's a staggering amount of makework rendering talent just blown through wholesale in the "yaahting" "industry." Some talented people but lots of wasted effort. If you get paid though it's all good.

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1 hour ago, Laser1 said:

With the exception that semi or fully submerged wave power/tidal generating gadgets are still struggling with excess corrosion and high maintenance costs and/or low funding for trial projects which reflects in the materials used.   On paper/screen it all looks good but once you throw it in the drink, all of a sudden a myriad of things go pop.

There's that pesky little problem called "marine growth"

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Just now, fastyacht said:

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Congratulations. Now, why are you still here on this thread?

You have a very strange way of quoting me.

And why don't you stick to your favourite Greta thread as well? 

Or take a port tack!

Just now, port tack said:

Take this topic to Liquid Hydrogen Anarchy please.  

 

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14 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

You have a very strange way of quoting me.

And why don't you stick to your favourite Greta thread as well? 

Or take a port tack!

 

Fiji do you have a sense of humour? Why are you here? You doth protest yet linger and we find that hilarious.

Edit.

Tacking humour noted.

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9 hours ago, The Dark Knight said:

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You electrolyse sea water.  Very easy, very efficient.  You do not need belching power plants or cracking natural gas.

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4 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Ever see a hydrogen powered car? IIRC BMW and Toyota sell them. Engines run fine on it, but you have to live near a place that sells hydrogen to consumers for cars.

You are obviously not of the ammonia religion.

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4 hours ago, Student_Driver said:

H2 is available.  It’s just not “green”.  “Brown” h2 from carbon/fossil fuel derived sources account for >90% of h2 used today. 
 

We do both h2 p2g and h2 g2p.  Am well aware of the ICE and FC h2 auto and other initiatives. 

In your area.  All of our admittedly small amount of hydrogen comes from a direct from hydro electrolyser

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1 minute ago, Laker said:

You are obviously not of the ammonia religion.

Yep. There's that. Ammonia as the hydrogen and some kind of dibenzyl toluene or something for the Oxygen. We'll see where that all goes.

Of course the real actual large scale production of anhydrous ammonia follows directly from natural gas...and is produced worldwide, principally for fertilizer. The side reactions are interesting though, as they get a few other beneficial compounds out of the conversion as well as some energy.

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5 hours ago, Student_Driver said:

Vast majority of h2 available today is a byproduct of fossil fuels combustion/industrial process.  Green h2 is a niche.  
 

completely impractical and not green at all. 
 

i have been in h2 business for a few years.  Huge potential and great investment but not ready for yachting.  

3 hours ago, Waynemarlow said:

Yup, huge potential and a great investment, we are just going down the wrong path of ferking batteries, imagine 20 years of development of hydrogen cells that the batteries have had and where we would be.

Bit like air turbines and the sea below them moving constantly back and forwards with the tide with water turbines at a a better efficiency of about 100 times and never having to rely on the vagaries of the wind.

 

Everything is being designed to extract as much $$$ from those you pay, you and me.

I believe Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe??
https://www.thoughtco.com/most-abundant-element-in-the-universe-602186

It's all about protecting the power base. If the Oil economy is disrupted someone is going to lose big time.

 

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Hydrogen is the least obvious power source for a variety of reasons including:

  • There is no known energy efficient methodology for its extraction/refinement
  • It is notoriously difficult to store and transfer
  • It is highly explosive at very low ratios

Here's a good primer on why this is, and will probably always be, a terrible idea.

 

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58 minutes ago, fastyacht said:

Yep. There's that. Ammonia as the hydrogen and some kind of dibenzyl toluene or something for the Oxygen. We'll see where that all goes.

Of course the real actual large scale production of anhydrous ammonia follows directly from natural gas...and is produced worldwide, principally for fertilizer. The side reactions are interesting though, as they get a few other beneficial compounds out of the conversion as well as some energy.

After posting I thought, "wait, where's the oxygen go?"  I misremembered it. The DBT is another alternative to the ammonia. Here's a paper on it:

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.iecr.5b01840

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20 minutes ago, Moonduster said:

Hydrogen is the least obvious power source for a variety of reasons including:

  • There is no known energy efficient methodology for its extraction/refinement
  • It is notoriously difficult to store and transfer
  • It is highly explosive at very low ratios

Here's a good primer on why this is, and will probably always be, a terrible idea.

 

I would really take the primer to task on many areas.  The production of H2, can be efficient, in this case a run of river monopole generator driving a simple "H" catalytic electrolysed.  It's storage and transport is an issue. Ammonia presently works well in an industrial setting, but graphene is showing promise for consumer level.  The 2 to 4 percent explosive level is low, but the handling process in conventional submarines to ensure that the flame speed remains high has shown an ability to account for the low level.  It is also a narrow band of concentration for explosiveness.

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22 minutes ago, Laker said:

I would really take the primer to task on many areas.  The production of H2, can be efficient, in this case a run of river monopole generator driving a simple "H" catalytic electrolysed.  It's storage and transport is an issue. Ammonia presently works well in an industrial setting, but graphene is showing promise for consumer level.  The 2 to 4 percent explosive level is low, but the handling process in conventional submarines to ensure that the flame speed remains high has shown an ability to account for the low level.  It is also a narrow band of concentration for explosiveness.

Do you see graphene adsorption as overtaking the dibenzyl toluene version?

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20 minutes ago, fastyacht said:

Do you see graphene adsorption as overtaking the dibenzyl toluene version?

Don't know at this time.  As more and more is done with both, an answer will come.  It is like the chairman of Toyota talking about the new race that started in 2010. In the year 1910, about equal number of steam, ICE and electric vehicles were made.  The ICE won out because of the invention of the electric starter.  The 2010 race has just begun. The only thing that I believe will be short term is the use of lithium based batteries.  Aluminum-air is sure making a case for itself.  Vanadium fuel cells sure make sense.  and on and on.

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3 hours ago, Laser1 said:

With the exception that semi or fully submerged wave power/tidal generating gadgets are still struggling with excess corrosion and high maintenance costs and/or low funding for trial projects which reflects in the materials used.   On paper/screen it all looks good but once you throw it in the drink, all of a sudden a myriad of things go pop.

There was a big input a few years ago in the UK for that industry with some very big players involved, at least 2 bailed within a couple of months of Brexit.  
I seem to remember a lot of discussion about long term payment contracts for feed into the grid and a big chunk of the investment and funding came from EU funds and when that started to dry up, they bailed out.  

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3 hours ago, fastyacht said:

There's a staggering amount of makework rendering talent just blown through wholesale in the "yaahting" "industry." Some talented people but lots of wasted effort. If you get paid though it's all good.

But it’s one hell off an outlay considering how bits of art work you see generated!!  
 

What are the odds of getting that one big commission?

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1 minute ago, mad said:

But it’s one hell off an outlay considering how bits of art work you see generated!!  
 

What are the odds of getting that one big commission?

1000:1?

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3 hours ago, ModernViking said:

It’s not exactly a Deepwater Horizon event!   if that was a stopping criteria, we’d have no steam, diesel, nuclear power at all.

probably still arguing about lighting fires. 

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2 hours ago, fastyacht said:

There's that pesky little problem called "marine growth"

Just use Navy grade antifoul. :ph34r::P

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2 hours ago, Laker said:

You electrolyse sea water.  Very easy, very efficient.  You do not need belching power plants or cracking natural gas.

Are those cooling towers with just some condensed moisture coming out? 

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3 minutes ago, mad said:

Just use Navy grade antifoul. :ph34r::P

Even better: make the whole damned struture out of tri butyl tin.

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8 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

That thing is FUGLY. Besides for having to shave its butt and teach it to walk backwards, where do you buy liquid hydrogen? I think I have seen exactly one hydrogen delivery truck in the last 5 years.  I have a feeling this "green" boat is going to be followed around by a diesel powered ship full of hydrogen tanks to refuel it :rolleyes:

i know it's vaporware,  but the boning room up front looks cool...  if you coordinate your motions as you go over the waves....

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I would really take the primer to task on many areas. 

Oh? Please ... go right ahead. 

The production of H2, can be efficient, in this case a run of river monopole generator driving a simple "H" catalytic electrolysed.

But please strive for coherent sentences; focus on usage, grammar, punctuation and spelling. I can't figure out anything from this beauty.

If what you're trying to say is that some generator in a river can crack H from O2, then no, it is not efficient. It takes far more energy to crack the H than can be subsequently extracted from the H. It is the definition of inefficient. You'd be far, far better to have stored the energy from the river in a lousy flooded lead-acid battery and retrieve it later. Lower cost, more reliable, more efficient, safer, etc.

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10 hours ago, The Dark Knight said:

 

It's disappointing to see that you are correct

https://sinot.com/

 

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When I first read the story on Bill Gates forking out money for this it didn't smell right. Bill is not that kinda guy at his stage in life. He is not one to flash around his money in a fashion like this. Poor performance by whoever made this story up.!

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Actually Gates was interested, but Ellison (flush with Tesla cap gains on paper and feeling squishy Oracle stock performance) said he'd pay more just to get it away from Now just try closing... ( ludicrous font)

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3 hours ago, Moonduster said:

I would really take the primer to task on many areas. 

Oh? Please ... go right ahead. 

The production of H2, can be efficient, in this case a run of river monopole generator driving a simple "H" catalytic electrolysed.

But please strive for coherent sentences; focus on usage, grammar, punctuation and spelling. I can't figure out anything from this beauty.

If what you're trying to say is that some generator in a river can crack H from O2, then no, it is not efficient. It takes far more energy to crack the H than can be subsequently extracted from the H. It is the definition of inefficient. You'd be far, far better to have stored the energy from the river in a lousy flooded lead-acid battery and retrieve it later. Lower cost, more reliable, more efficient, safer, etc.

Didn't you take high-school science?  The "H" piece of glass tubing with the bits of platinum in them and the salt water added? The electricity is provided by a monopole generator driven by an axial turbine driven by the river. It seems my spell check changed electrolyser into electrolysed.

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6 hours ago, mad said:

It’s not exactly a Deepwater Horizon event!   if that was a stopping criteria, we’d have no steam, diesel, nuclear power at all.

probably still arguing about lighting fires. 

It is a wonder the Navy gets lead acid batteries past SubSafe.  (sarcasm here)

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7 hours ago, fastyacht said:

Even better: make the whole damned struture out of tri butyl tin.

Or important areas out of Copper-Nickel.  Strength of aluminum and weight of steel, but limited growth.

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4 hours ago, terrafirma said:

When I first read the story on Bill Gates forking out money for this it didn't smell right. Bill is not that kinda guy at his stage in life. He is not one to flash around his money in a fashion like this. Poor performance by whoever made this story up.!

With the exception of getting some law changed so that he can drive his 959 Porsche in California, I've never heard of any extravagant hobbies of his. So admittedly I thought this purchase was out of character...

I should apply for a job in the media. Like them, I failed to investigate it more thoroughly...

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2 hours ago, The Dark Knight said:

With the exception of getting some law changed so that he can drive his 959 Porsche in California, I've never heard of any extravagant hobbies of his. So admittedly I thought this purchase was out of character...

I should apply for a job in the media. Like them, I failed to investigate it more thoroughly...

You never know TDK.? I got fooled too when I first saw it. Anyway it was good publicity for the project perhaps or bad? Anyone's call....

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12 hours ago, mad said:

There was a big input a few years ago

Approx 10 to be exact.  One of the biggest money holes in the sea imaginable.  The £ figure in the article is not the whole truth. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-43588728

And they still spin it up as the best thing since sliced bread.  We know and have dealt with some of the players and they are very good at twisting the truth.

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13 minutes ago, Laser1 said:

Approx 10 to be exact.  One of the biggest money holes in the sea imaginable.  The £ figure in the article is not the whole truth. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-43588728

And they still spin it up as the best thing since sliced bread.  We know and have dealt with some of the players and they are very good at twisting the truth.

Sounds as if you could work for a spin dept as well. :lol:

This was a more successful trial.

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A tidal energy turbine installed in Strangford Lough, County Down, is to be removed.

The SeaGen turbine was lowered into place in 2008 and generates electricity from from tidal currents.

Two horizontal axis turbines are anchored to the seabed and are driven by the powerful currents resulting from the tide moving in and out.

Its owners Atlantis Resources said it will be decommissioned later this year.

The company said it had been "an essential research and design platform".

Stephen Ward, the firm's director of power generation, said: "This year, we will embark on the next stage of the R&D (research and development) process and focus on decommissioning the SeaGen device.

"This operation will be the first commercial scale turbine development to be decommissioned and will help us to understand the complete life-cycle of a tidal stream development."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-35416282

Image result for seagen decommissioning bbc

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The Scots are awash with money, they can pay all prescriptions, uni fees etc and they want to be in the EU ;) long may it continue.

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2 hours ago, mad said:

Sounds as if you could work for a spin dept as well. :lol:

Well with some much of somebody else's money sloshing about I feel I made the wrong career choices some time ago :lol:

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56 minutes ago, The Dark Knight said:

It's funny that no one has noticed my spelling ooops in the title :)

 

Blii Gates Hydrogen superyacht 

 

We've noticed !!

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We’ve got used to it and don’t expect any improvements. :P

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