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Why would that surprise you?  Everyone left and right wanted to see if the man behind the $400,000,000 in campaign ads could cut the mustard.  
Biggest flop in a debate ever.  
The whole debate turned into a bunch of snowflakes desperately raising  their hands look at me look at me. 
Trump is going to win this going away. 

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2 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Why would that surprise you?  Everyone left and right wanted to see if the man behind the $400,000,000 in campaign ads could cut the mustard.  
Biggest flop in a debate ever.  
The whole debate turned into a bunch of snowflakes desperately raising  their hands look at me look at me. 
Trump is going to win this going away. 

You forget that more than half of this country still has their heads screwed on straight. Democrats will take this country back in a landside.

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36 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

You forget that more than half of this country still has their heads screwed on straight. Democrats will take this country back in a landside.

Not if Sanders is the nominee.  It will be McGovern all over again. 

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1 minute ago, The Joker said:

Not if Sanders is the nominee.  It will be McGovern all over again. 

You misunderstand just how deeply the left despises Trump. All Democrats are single-issue voters this year, Dump Trump and get him the hell out of office is their sole goal.

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14 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

You misunderstand just how deeply the left despises Trump. All Democrats are single-issue voters this year, Dump Trump and get him the hell out of office is their sole goal.

The left you refer to is at best 35%. They despised him in 2016 they will alwAys despise him, yet his numbers are stronger now than any time in his presidency, ahead of Obama’s leading into 2012. 
 

 Most people vote their pocket book and will not throw  a good economy,  record unemployment,  wage increases and  record stock market highs  to put a socialist In that wants to end capitalism.   


Trumps approval on the economy is positive by 16 points and as James Carvel said so well when it comes to presidential elections  “it’s the economy stupid”.  

Add on how well he is polling with minorities I doubt the lefts anger can overcome the new votes he will be getting this election. 
 

I could be wrong I fully expected a Hillary Clinton win in 2016. 

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16 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

You misunderstand just how deeply the left despises Trump. All Democrats are single-issue voters this year, Dump Trump and get him the hell out of office is their sole goal.

Independents too.

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sadly, just too many poor choices for the average voter to pick from....... 2020 will certainly another American "hold my beer" moment..

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1 hour ago, The Joker said:

The left you refer to is at best 35%. They despised him in 2016 they will alwAys despise him, yet his numbers are stronger now than any time in his presidency, ahead of Obama’s leading into 2012. 
 

 Most people vote their pocket book and will not throw  a good economy,  record unemployment,  wage increases and  record stock market highs  to put a socialist In that wants to end capitalism.   


Trumps approval on the economy is positive by 16 points and as James Carvel said so well when it comes to presidential elections  “it’s the economy stupid”.  

Add on how well he is polling with minorities I doubt the lefts anger can overcome the new votes he will be getting this election. 
 

I could be wrong I fully expected a Hillary Clinton win in 2016. 

Trump's approval rating fluctuates like my morning gas. Carvel was right; Trump very well could rise on the wave of a good economy, but watch how fast his party dumps him when that economy goes south, which is due to happen at almost any time between now and 2021. Don't believe the polling on minorities, you can see for yourself by how many attend his rallies. Blacks want nothing from him, same with Asians, same with Hispanics, same with Jews, same with women. Oh sure, there is a very small number that falls for the Trump line, but not nearly enough to make a difference. 

Of course, who knows how much outside influence affects this election. I wouldn't bet on China, North Korea, Iran, UK, France, or Germany not wanting a piece of that action. Maybe how you treat people really does go a long way.

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8 hours ago, badlatitude said:

You forget that more than half of this country still has their heads screwed on straight. Democrats will take this country back in a landside.

I think the vast majority of the electorate really doesn't pay much attention at all until the last few weeks before the election.

Just out of curiosity, I did a quick search for the most popular TV shows in America.  That stuff always wanders around but within the top 15, the closest thing to a 'news' show is 60 minutes.  That's at the root of Carvel's observation - at the end of the day, people vote their 'gut feeling' which tends to be (a) what's happened in the last week and (b) how they're doing with the family and finances.

If Bernie gets the nod, it'll come down to Trump saying "Bernie's a Commy!".  I personally think his best response is "You're a pussy grabbing liar and crook!".  Bernie loses if he wanders around trying to define 'democratic socialist'.  The problem is that Bernie's promises DO result in things being taken away, which the other democrats have forced him to define.  I've always thought, for example, that "expanding medicare" was better and far more practical than 'medicare for all'.  Medicare is for 'old people' - why would a 30-something vote for that?

I don't read twitter but I've come to accept that many of my countrymen just can't be bothered to read more than 256 characters at a time and any idea that is more complex than (a) leads to (b) is just going to be 'just too darn confusing'.  They CAN do more, but not without motivation.  And in a 'stable economy', the motivation just isn't there.

BTW:  Sent in my ballot :)  go go Absentee!   Absolutely worth the $1.50 for the convenience.  I'll blow another $3.00 for the general so my misses can vote - she's definitely not going to pay attention before that.

 

 

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So Bloomberg called someone a fat broad and a horse faced lesbian.  

So what?

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Shameful cast of POTUS candidates....looked like Animal House food fight

 

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7 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Trump's approval rating fluctuates like my morning gas. Carvel was right; Trump very well could rise on the wave of a good economy, but watch how fast his party dumps him when that economy goes south, which is due to happen at almost any time between now and 2021. Don't believe the polling on minorities, you can see for yourself by how many attend his rallies. Blacks want nothing from him, same with Asians, same with Hispanics, same with Jews, same with women. Oh sure, there is a very small number that falls for the Trump line, but not nearly enough to make a difference. 

Of course, who knows how much outside influence affects this election. I wouldn't bet on China, North Korea, Iran, UK, France, or Germany not wanting a piece of that action. Maybe how you treat people really does go a long way.

I suggest you do some research on minority views rather than repeat the mantra of how minorities hate Trump.   
Here is a good view on how Hispanics are thinking. 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/12/16/trump_may_win_elusive_latino_support_for_the_gop_141963.html

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9 hours ago, badlatitude said:

You misunderstand just how deeply the left despises Trump. All Democrats are single-issue voters this year, Dump Trump and get him the hell out of office is their sole goal.

No matter how much you hate Trump, you still only have one vote.  You are the one that is marginalizing yourself with your hatred.  

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13 minutes ago, The Joker said:

I suggest you do some research on minority views rather than repeat the mantra of how minorities hate Trump.   
Here is a good view on how Hispanics are thinking. 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/12/16/trump_may_win_elusive_latino_support_for_the_gop_141963.html

:lol: Labeled Commentary from a President Trump PAC spokesman :lol:

Lots of people despise a Trump, maybe you need to get out of Russia

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2 minutes ago, jzk said:

No matter how much you hate Trump, you still only have one vote.  You are the one that is marginalizing yourself with your hatred.  

:lol: irony

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So one evening last week, I was anchored in noname harbor which is inside a state park.  The gates close at 8:30pm, so if you are getting in later than that, you have to hop the fence and walk.

As I hopped the fence for the third night in a row, the security guard immediately started yelling "hey you."   I showed him my blue receipt thing, and all was cool.  But instead of walking, I asked him for a ride to the harbor.  When I got in, the first thing he asked me was if I was pro Trump.  The guy is cuban, in the country for 18 years, barely speaks english, but all he wants to do is bond with fellow Trump supporters.

Trump is going to win big.

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18 minutes ago, jzk said:

So one evening last week, I was anchored in noname harbor which is inside a state park.  The gates close at 8:30pm, so if you are getting in later than that, you have to hop the fence and walk.

As I hopped the fence for the third night in a row, the security guard immediately started yelling "hey you."   I showed him my blue receipt thing, and all was cool.  But instead of walking, I asked him for a ride to the harbor.  When I got in, the first thing he asked me was if I was pro Trump.  The guy is cuban, in the country for 18 years, barely speaks english, but all he wants to do is bond with fellow Trump supporters.

Trump is going to win big.

And neither of you had any sense of the irony... you anchoring your yacht in a state park, asking for a ride from him, who is dependent on the gov't for employment... and letting you "hop the fence."

You may be right, Trump might win big. If there is a real election. And either way it will be the end of the USA

- DSK

 

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6 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

And neither of you had any sense of the irony... you anchoring your yacht in a state park, asking for a ride from him, who is dependent on the gov't for employment... and letting you "hop the fence."

You may be right, Trump might win big. If there is a real election. And either way it will be the end of the USA

- DSK

 

That is a delusion.  If I pay for a State park, you think I have no right to use it?  What a stupid premise.  

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31 minutes ago, jzk said:

No matter how much you hate Trump, you still only have one vote.  You are the one that is marginalizing yourself with your hatred.  

The Dems unleash the masses of felons, lowinfomofo's, EBTers and brainwashed 20 somethings and the voting dead and nonexistent....Do Not under estimate their vote "turn out"...they have already shown they are shameless and will go to ANY extent to secure a victory  

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2 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

It’s perfectly fauxbertarian

Yeah, its like calling Ayn Rand a hypocrite for collecting social security, that she was forced to pay into. 

Stupid.

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1 minute ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Yes, Ayn Rand was stupid.

You are stupid.

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Just now, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

We’ve now gotten to the natural level of jerk-z. Your moms fat, btw.

You are still stupid.

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3 minutes ago, atyourcervix said:

Upvoted! 

I don't mind you throwing me an occasional upvote, but please don't ruin my high score.

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23 minutes ago, jzk said:

That is a delusion.  If I pay for a State park, you think I have no right to use it?  What a stupid premise.  

If you bought a huge parcel of land, and donated it to the state for a park, that's nice. You'd be following a good example of many other wealthy people.

You still don't have any more right to use it than any other citizen. Why were you "hopping the fence"?

- DSK

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1 minute ago, Steam Flyer said:

If you bought a huge parcel of land, and donated it to the state for a park, that's nice. You'd be following a good example of many other wealthy people.

You still don't have any more right to use it than any other citizen. Why were you "hopping the fence"?

- DSK

I was hopping the fence because it closes at 8:30, and I paid $20 for overnight anchoring.

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1 minute ago, jzk said:

I was hopping the fence because it closes at 8:30, and I paid $20 for overnight anchoring.

If it closes at 8:30 then aren't you breaking the rules going later?

What kind of dickhead thinks he should have special privileges?

- DSK

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1 minute ago, Steam Flyer said:

If it closes at 8:30 then aren't you breaking the rules going later?

What kind of dickhead thinks he should have special privileges?

- DSK

No.  They don't care.  That is why the security guard gave me a ride.  Do you have anything interesting to discuss?

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1 hour ago, The Joker said:

I suggest you do some research on minority views rather than repeat the mantra of how minorities hate Trump.   
Here is a good view on how Hispanics are thinking. 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/12/16/trump_may_win_elusive_latino_support_for_the_gop_141963.html

Trump will get the minority vote he was always going to get. He will also get a percentage of the Catholic, anti-abortion vote, along with a percentage of the Evangelical vote. If you think that translates into a win, then I also bet you think you will win the lottery a week before Christmas.

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14 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Trump will get the minority vote he was always going to get. He will also get a percentage of the Catholic, anti-abortion vote, along with a percentage of the Evangelical vote. If you think that translates into a win, then I also bet you think you will win the lottery a week before Christmas.

Being a sufferer of an extreme case of TDS, it pains me to agree with Joker.  It is such an evenly divided country between Trump vs. Not Trump, but the "Trump" people are united.  The "Not Trump" people are very divided and as in the last election, if the Bernie Bros (Warren peeps, Pete people) don't get their way, they will have little incentive to go wait in line in their voter suppressed districts.  There does not seem to be a candidate that can unite the Democratic party, pretty much assuring a repeat of the last election where Trump loses the one person, one vote, but win the electoral college scam.

 

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1 hour ago, jzk said:

No matter how much you hate Trump, you still only have one vote.  You are the one that is marginalizing yourself with your hatred.  

I have many votes. I am the head of a relatively large family who actively seeks my opinion in all matters political. My friends also look for validation when considering a candidate. None of us hate, I actually feel sorry for trump.

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1 minute ago, badlatitude said:

I have many votes. I am the head of a relatively large family who actively seeks my opinion in all matters political. My friends also look for validation when considering a candidate. None of us hate, I actually feel sorry for trump.

Those other people are "your" votes?  Do they not think for themselves?  Or do you think you know better for them than they do?

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3 hours ago, cmilliken said:

I think the vast majority of the electorate really doesn't pay much attention at all until the last few weeks before the election.

Just out of curiosity, I did a quick search for the most popular TV shows in America.  That stuff always wanders around but within the top 15, the closest thing to a 'news' show is 60 minutes.  That's at the root of Carvel's observation - at the end of the day, people vote their 'gut feeling' which tends to be (a) what's happened in the last week and (b) how they're doing with the family and finances.

If Bernie gets the nod, it'll come down to Trump saying "Bernie's a Commy!".  I personally think his best response is "You're a pussy grabbing liar and crook!".  Bernie loses if he wanders around trying to define 'democratic socialist'.  The problem is that Bernie's promises DO result in things being taken away, which the other democrats have forced him to define.  I've always thought, for example, that "expanding medicare" was better and far more practical than 'medicare for all'.  Medicare is for 'old people' - why would a 30-something vote for that?

I don't read twitter but I've come to accept that many of my countrymen just can't be bothered to read more than 256 characters at a time and any idea that is more complex than (a) leads to (b) is just going to be 'just too darn confusing'.  They CAN do more, but not without motivation.  And in a 'stable economy', the motivation just isn't there.

BTW:  Sent in my ballot :)  go go Absentee!   Absolutely worth the $1.50 for the convenience.  I'll blow another $3.00 for the general so my misses can vote - she's definitely not going to pay attention before that.

 

 

There is so much in play, and it's tough to predict anything eight months in the future. People who work multiple jobs have a tough time stopping to consider anything at all. We also have a teetering economy that could go either way in a moment. We have a pandemic that could hit here and can halt our economy from functioning dead in its tracks. Who will care about a presidential election in the middle of that? Oddly, I think a lot of people will be concerned about how a national problem is handled with a sharp eye. Americans would resent it when they are placed on a cot in a tent when the standing facilities are full.

There could be a massive backlash as a result, and we don't know with any confidence where this will end up.

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16 minutes ago, jzk said:

Those other people are "your" votes?  Do they not think for themselves?  Or do you think you know better for them than they do?

Of course, they think for themselves, we have pretty dynamic conversations all the time. Don't you?

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24 minutes ago, bridhb said:

Being a sufferer of an extreme case of TDS, it pains me to agree with Joker.  It is such an evenly divided country between Trump vs. Not Trump, but the "Trump" people are united.  The "Not Trump" people are very divided and as in the last election, if the Bernie Bros (Warren peeps, Pete people) don't get their way, they will have little incentive to go wait in line in their voter suppressed districts.  There does not seem to be a candidate that can unite the Democratic party, pretty much assuring a repeat of the last election where Trump loses the one person, one vote, but win the electoral college scam.

 

Today is the right time that we need to be proactive and engage as many people as possible. A lot of work can be done in nine months, and you can do a lot of things to make a good outcome possible. If you can get someone to reconsider their vote, you win this election.

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20 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Of course, they think for themselves, we have pretty dynamic conversations all the time. Don't you?

Yes.  But I am not the one claiming to have "many" votes.

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11 minutes ago, jzk said:

Yes.  But I am not the one claiming to have "many" votes.

Too bad. You should.

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14 hours ago, badlatitude said:

same with Hispanics, same with Jews, same with women. Oh sure, there is a very small number that falls for the Trump line, but not nearly enough to make a difference. 

Not true with white women. He's losing a lot of women, but he still has a LOT of support from white women.

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8 hours ago, cmilliken said:

Absolutely worth the $1.50 for the convenience.  I'll blow another $3.00 for the general so my misses can vote - she's definitely not going to pay attention before that.

Not to cheap to send mine in from New Zealand, but it will get there.

 

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18 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

Not true with white women. He's losing a lot of women, but he still has a LOT of support from white women.

I dunno, this poll is six months old and it doesn't look good for Trump.

 

"Heading into the 2020 campaign season, President Donald Trump is underwater with a key constituency he carried during the 2016 presidential election: white women.

Though a Pew Research Center post-2016 analysis of voter preferences found that Trump eked out a narrow victory among white women—47 percent to Clinton's 45 percent—a new poll has reiterated recent trends among more ambivalent members of the Trump coalition.

In a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey, 63 percent of college-educated white women and 49 percent of non-college-educated white women will definitely or probably vote for the Democratic nominee over Trump in 2020.

Among all women registered to vote, 62 percent in the survey opted for the Democratic candidate while just 30 percent selected Trump.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-white-women-poll-electorate-2020-1455499

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13 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

I dunno, this poll is six months old and it doesn't look good for Trump.

 

"Heading into the 2020 campaign season, President Donald Trump is underwater with a key constituency he carried during the 2016 presidential election: white women.

Though a Pew Research Center post-2016 analysis of voter preferences found that Trump eked out a narrow victory among white women—47 percent to Clinton's 45 percent—a new poll has reiterated recent trends among more ambivalent members of the Trump coalition.

In a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey, 63 percent of college-educated white women and 49 percent of non-college-educated white women will definitely or probably vote for the Democratic nominee over Trump in 2020.

Among all women registered to vote, 62 percent in the survey opted for the Democratic candidate while just 30 percent selected Trump.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-white-women-poll-electorate-2020-1455499

Although I'd love to see it happen...I know a lot of white women even just in my family that are fervently supporting him.

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27 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

Although I'd love to see it happen...I know a lot of white women even just in my family that are fervently supporting him.

It is a given that it is nigh unto impossible for any man to understand any woman.  But, unless women who support Trump are Republican Party loyalists, self-proclaimed Christians (evangelical, born-again or otherwise), equate Democrats with the spawn of the devil or Communists, I just don’t see how any woman can support Trump.  You don’t have to be a “libber” or support the ERA or equal pay for equal work or any of that.  His divorces, his misogyny, his pussy grabbing, his consorting with and then paying off porn stars, his behavior with teenage girls at pagents, etc. ought to make women, irrespective of their political bent, throw up at the mention of his name. I just don’t get it.

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2 minutes ago, jerseyguy said:

It is a given that it is nigh unto impossible for any man to understand any woman.  But, unless women who support Trump are Republican Party loyalists, self-proclaimed Christians (evangelical, born-again or otherwise), equate Democrats with the spawn of the devil or Communists, I just don’t see how any woman can support Trump.  You don’t have to be a “libber” or support the ERA or equal pay for equal work or any of that.  His divorces, his misogyny, his pussy grabbing, his consorting with and then paying off porn stars, his behavior with teenage girls at pagents, etc. ought to make women, irrespective of their political bent, throw up at the mention of his name. I just don’t get it.

You should sit down and have a chat with a couple of my aunts and cousins.

This is a screen cap of a Facebook dust-up I had with one recently. She's not a "Friend" but since she's my aunt we're connected by family. Now she's blocked.

She's a practicing catholic, a certified "spiritual advisor" (whatever the fuck that means) and very pro life. She also attended at least one Trump rally that I know of.

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What is your aunt’s favorite kool-aid flavor?  If she is representative of many white women then Trump wins again.

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1 hour ago, B.J. Porter said:

Not to cheap to send mine in from New Zealand, but it will get there.

 

I honestly don't know why more people don't absentee vote.

You actually get time to sit down, look at the issues, and even look up more information if you want.  it's not such a big deal in things like the Presidential vote where you may have a concrete opinion but there's always local and state ballot initiatives and some of them are quite complex.

 

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55 minutes ago, cmilliken said:

I honestly don't know why more people don't absentee vote.

You actually get time to sit down, look at the issues, and even look up more information if you want.  it's not such a big deal in things like the Presidential vote where you may have a concrete opinion but there's always local and state ballot initiatives and some of them are quite complex.

 

They don't make it easy, but I just learned that if I put in a foreign ship-to instead my my mailing service they will e-mail me my ballot next time.

I never put in a foreign address because that changes from month to month, but they don't mail to them so we're all set.

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1 hour ago, jerseyguy said:

What is your aunt’s favorite kool-aid flavor?  If she is representative of many white women then Trump wins again.

She's a lot more rabid than her sister (my god-mother), but my GM is also very strongly pro-Trump. She's more fearful, and tends to believe most of what she reads and sees in right wing news though she doesn't share her sister's vitriol and defenses of white nationalism.

My GM is one of the sweetest, kindest and most gentle and generous people I know, and I can not fathom how this has happened to her. Or her daughter. It makes me unbearably sad, but you can not discuss the topic intelligently with them.

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1 hour ago, B.J. Porter said:

You should sit down and have a chat with a couple of my aunts and cousins.

This is a screen cap of a Facebook dust-up I had with one recently. She's not a "Friend" but since she's my aunt we're connected by family. Now she's blocked.

She's a practicing catholic, a certified "spiritual advisor" (whatever the fuck that means) and very pro life. She also attended at least one Trump rally that I know of.

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Your Aunt has some very valid points.  Her definition of White nationalists is not correct and while not textbook  is a definition shared by many,  not sure what the issue is?

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2 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

They don't make it easy, but I just learned that if I put in a foreign ship-to instead my my mailing service they will e-mail me my ballot next time.

I never put in a foreign address because that changes from month to month, but they don't mail to them so we're all set.

I think people might be put off because they think you have to "have a reason".  Guaranteed, the local board of elections isn't checking your travel itinerary :)  'Out of Town' is a fine excuse.  My old state didn't even bother to ask why - If a registered voter requested a ballot, they sent it.

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1 hour ago, cmilliken said:

I honestly don't know why more people don't absentee vote.

You actually get time to sit down, look at the issues, and even look up more information if you want.  it's not such a big deal in things like the Presidential vote where you may have a concrete opinion but there's always local and state ballot initiatives and some of them are quite complex.

Because states don’t want them too, and states don’t want them too because politicians don’t want them too. Oregon has had vote by mail for decades and it works well, consistently one of the top 10 states in turnout.

this is not so much a duopoly thing, there’s one party that explicitly,and correctly, thinks higher turnout hurts them. They are even willing to spend more money to get less people to vote. (Vote by mail is cheaper)

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3 hours ago, cmilliken said:

I think people might be put off because they think you have to "have a reason".  Guaranteed, the local board of elections isn't checking your travel itinerary :)  'Out of Town' is a fine excuse.  My old state didn't even bother to ask why - If a registered voter requested a ballot, they sent it.

Oh, they don't ask the reason.

What they do is ask for the "Ship to" address.

They ONLY offer e-mail delivery if it's international.

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3 hours ago, The Joker said:

Your Aunt has some very valid points.  Her definition of White nationalists is not correct and while not textbook  is a definition shared by many,  not sure what the issue is?

My aunt is stunningly misinformed. So, apparently are you.

She also thinks the SPLC is a Soros funded hate group or something. I couldn't quite muddle out what she was getting at.

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26 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

My aunt is stunningly misinformed. So, apparently are you.

She also thinks the SPLC is a Soros funded hate group or something. I couldn't quite muddle out what she was getting at.

Maybe your aunt is The Jockstrap. Life is stranger than we can possibly imagine.

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2 minutes ago, Ishmael said:
30 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

My aunt is stunningly misinformed. So, apparently are you.

She also thinks the SPLC is a Soros funded hate group or something. I couldn't quite muddle out what she was getting at.

Maybe your aunt is The Jockstrap. Life is stranger than we can possibly imagine.

I don't know, is @The Joker a member of the Daughters of Isabella? From what I hear the local board politics are pretty cut throat.

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12 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Because states don’t want them too, and states don’t want them too because politicians don’t want them too. Oregon has had vote by mail for decades and it works well, consistently one of the top 10 states in turnout.

this is not so much a duopoly thing, there’s one party that explicitly,and correctly, thinks higher turnout hurts them. They are even willing to spend more money to get less people to vote. (Vote by mail is cheaper)

My personal experience is exactly the opposite.

The swing state - at least the county I was in - handed out mail-in ballots without a reason.  The 100% guaranteed democratic state - the one with zero republican representatives in congress in either house - is the one that wants more details.  They still gave it to me, but they did ask a reason.   Either way, I'm a HUGE proponent of mail in ballots.

FWIW, my parents both came from Oregon.  Nice state.  My grandparents owned property on Lake Oswego WAAAY back when it was still "why the fuck would anyone buy property on a man made lake so far away from town"?  If you've taken a dump in Portland, you're probably pooping through my Grandfathers sewer lines.  He was a civil engineer there for twenty years.   Its always funny to say you can shit on what he built and its actually a compliment :)

 

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https://billingsgazette.com/news/gop-chairman-says-mail-elections-hurt-republicans-is-accused-of/article_22d791f1-e3dd-5b4b-b8f2-c9fcbb137888.html

 

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In an email to party members, Jeff Essmann warned Republicans the mail-in election would “give the Democrats an inherent advantage in close elections due to their ability to organize large numbers of unpaid college students and members of public employee unions to gather ballots by going door to door.”

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/pennsylvania-2020-election-blue-shift-20200127.html

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In short, as more voters began using nontraditional voting methods such as absentee and provisional ballots in recent years, a partisan split emerged in many states: Democrats tended to vote using those methods more often than Republicans.


https://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/20/turnout-flat-colorado-election-2016-mail-ballot-laws/

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Republicans were overwhelmingly opposed to the changes,


There’s plenty more data on that, before we get to “vote harvesting”

 

2 hours ago, cmilliken said:

My personal experience is exactly the opposite.

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12 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

I don't know, is @The Joker a member of the Daughters of Isabella? From what I hear the local board politics are pretty cut throat.

Not likely. :)  

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