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US ranked #1 to best deal with a disease outbreak

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What do you have to say Bullshitters? 
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/01/27/the-countries-best-and-worst-prepared-for-an-epidemic-infographic/#506e1e735799

 Last October, the Global Health Security Index was released, exploring that very issue. It was the first comprehensive assessment of global health security capabilities in 195 countries. The index analyzed preparation levels by focusing on whether countries have the proper tools in place to deal with large scale outbreaks of disease, with scores measured on a scale of 0 to 100 where 100 is the highest level of preparedness.

The United States has the strongest measures in place and it came first with a score of 83.5, ahead of the United Kingdom with 77.9 and the Netherlands with 75.6. China was further down the ranking with a score of 48.2, placing it 51st.

 

 

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What that article doesn't say is whether the data was taken before or after Trumpy's cuts to CDC and Pandemic Response teams. 

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Sure it does. Because there never were any cuts.  
 

AP Fact checked that when those talking points came out. 

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3 minutes ago, Blue Crab said:

Trump is a lyin mofo!

That is true.  
 

But it doesn’t change the fact  that John Hopkins conducted that study before anyone even heard, of this strain of Coronavirus. 

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Big surprise..totally unexpected. Wealthy countries are simply streaks ahead in the Global Health  Security thing.

A community service announcement brought to you by a lot of rich Americans.

Al Gore must be really really pissed off.

Developing the GHS Index

Pyramid-250x225.pngTo create the GHS Index, NTI, JHU, and the EIU project team—with generous grants from the Open Philanthropy Project, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and the Robertson Foundation—worked with an international advisory panel of 21 experts from 13 countries to create a detailed and comprehensive framework of 140 questions, organized across 6 categories, 34 indicators, and 85 subindicators to assess a country’s capability to prevent and mitigate epidemics and pandemics.

 

 

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I fail to see the point of this thread.

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5 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

I fail to see the point of this thread.

The point is pretty simple.
There are multiple threads talking about how unprepared the US is and how poor the response has been. 
This study shows those threads and most of the comments were based on False and misleading information.   

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Thank good ness for one bit of good news

14 minutes ago, The Joker said:
16 minutes ago, Nice! said:

What that article doesn't say is whether the data was taken before or after Trumpy's cuts to CDC and Pandemic Response teams. 

Sure it does. Because there never were any cuts.  
 

AP Fact checked that when those talking points came out. 

??

I saw the budget, dumbass. Isn't that what you elected him to do, slash Big Gubbermint and "wasteful spending" especially all that big-brain science-y stuff that makes you right-wing pinheads uncomfortable?

- DSK

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3 minutes ago, The Joker said:

The point is pretty simple.
There are multiple threads talking about how unprepared the US is and how poor the response has been. 
This study shows those threads and most of the comments were based on False and misleading information.   

So...you post something published prior to this outbreak, outdated and reactive. That figures.

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6 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

So...you post something published prior to this outbreak, outdated and reactive. That figures.

In his defense, he did say that his point was simple.

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57 minutes ago, Nice! said:

What that article doesn't say is whether the data was taken before or after Trumpy's cuts to CDC and Pandemic Response teams. 

You are a fucking tool.  Trump's cuts were fund shifts to block grants to the states. Your fucking bullshit lefty fuck meme regurgitation belongs on joke anarchy.

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42 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

So...you post something published prior to this outbreak, outdated and reactive. That figures.

Outdated?  It couldn’t be more timely.
It fucking came out in October of 2019. 
 

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2 minutes ago, atyourcervix said:

I fail to see the point of your existence. 

I fail to see the point of everyone's existence.

 

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10 minutes ago, warbird said:

You are a fucking tool.  Trump's cuts were fund shifts to block grants to the states. Your fucking bullshit lefty fuck meme regurgitation belongs on joke anarchy.

Trump proposed CDC cuts, but they didn't happen.  Congress basically ignored his ass and increased funding.

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4 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Outdated?  It couldn’t be more timely.
It fucking came out in October of 2019. 
 

You're so funny. So. It came out before it's suppositions could be tested in real time.

It's one thing to have the beds, another to keep em empty.

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51 minutes ago, The Joker said:

The point is pretty simple.
There are multiple threads talking about how unprepared the US is and how poor the response has been. 
This study shows those threads and most of the comments were based on False and misleading information.   

Didn't you consider that perhaps your yay team moment, might be a bit premature? Three weeks from now, you could be in a warehouse, getting care from one nurse per125 patients, while laying on a cot.

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1 hour ago, Shortforbob said:

I fail to see the point of this thread.

Some folks have a need to feel that their respective cuntries are "numero uno" in something.

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46 minutes ago, benwynn said:

In his defense, he did say that his point was simple.

The ones both on, and in, his head

- DSK

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7 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Didn't you consider that perhaps your yay team moment, might be a bit premature? Three weeks from now, you could be in a warehouse, getting care from one nurse per125 patients, while laying on a cot.

Nope. The study deals with all kinds of factors. The sum total shows that the US is the most prepared nation on earth.  As a US citizen I was happy to learn the country is prepared.  The headline was in response to the hyperbole expressed in many threads claiming the exact opposite.  
There is no telling where this will lead, but the country, according to this study has the ability to deal with it better than has been predicted. 

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6 minutes ago, justsomeguy! said:

Some folks have a need to feel that their respective cuntries are "numero uno" in something.

Not really it is more in response to the handwringing expressed that my country was NOT prepared. 

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10 minutes ago, benwynn said:

Trump proposed CDC cuts, but they didn't happen.  Congress basically ignored his ass and increased funding.

Correct. 

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Just now, The Joker said:

Not really it is more in response to the handwringing expressed that my country was NOT prepared. 

Yes, really.

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4 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Nope. The study deals with all kinds of factors. The sum total shows that the US is the most prepared nation on earth.  As a US citizen I was happy to learn the country is prepared.  The headline was in response to the hyperbole expressed in many threads claiming the exact opposite.  
There is no telling where this will lead, but the country, according to this study has the ability to deal with it better much than has been predicted. 

Thanks Obama!

Dude, much of the derision is in response to Trump's moronic comments, creating the position of Corona Virus Ministry of Propaganda for VP Pence. Coupled with Trump's efforts to cut crucial services while running an administration stocked with a bunch of temps while blaming everything on the D's.

It's the Clown Car in action.

edit: Just in case you haven't noticed by now, you aren't very good at this.

 

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14 minutes ago, The Joker said:
24 minutes ago, benwynn said:

Trump proposed CDC cuts, but they didn't happen.  Congress basically ignored his ass and increased funding.

Correct. 

So, if your boy had his way, what would that have done for the preparedness?

Of course, he does own the firing and non-replacement of the folks who would've been involved - 

It is also true that in 2018 the Trump administration fired key officials connected to the U.S. pandemic response, and they were not replaced.

Also in 2018, news reports circulated about an 80% reduction in the CDC’s program that worked in various countries to fight epidemics. That was the result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding. “Countries where the CDC is planning to scale back include some of the world’s hot spots for emerging infectious disease, such as China, Pakistan, Haiti, Rwanda and Congo,” the Washington Post reported in 2018.

The fact that epidemic prevention-efforts were scaled back in China gained new significance in February 2020 as coronavirus spread globally after it was first detected in Wuhan, China, in late 2019.

U.S. legislators in late February were discussing billions of dollars in funding for coronavirus response.

Did President Trump Cut the CDC Budget?

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35 minutes ago, benwynn said:

Trump proposed CDC cuts, but they didn't happen.  Congress basically ignored his ass and increased funding.

 

24 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Correct. 

I know it's correct.  That's why I fucking posted it. 

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1 hour ago, Nice! said:

What that article doesn't say is whether the data was taken before or after Trumpy's cuts to CDC and Pandemic Response teams. 

Keep repeating the lie.  The cuts were to other types of chronic diseases which have plenty of funding from a lot of sources.  The CDC was told to concentrate on communicable diseases,

The Flue Surveillance Program has been around for years and was not cut.  Where a disease shows up outside the US we have to rely on WHO partners to let us know what's going on in their country.  China obviously didn't like that sort of revelation.  Incidentally, although not part of the CDC the US puts up 22% of WHO's budget.  The assessment for 2020 is 57.8 Million in cash.  We also put up a lot of information services by making our databases available to the world.

Read it from the source:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/overview.htm

The U.S. influenza surveillance system is a collaborative effort between CDC and its many partners in state, local, and territorial health departments, public health and clinical laboratories, vital statistics offices, healthcare providers, clinics, and emergency departments. Information in five categories is collected from eight data sources in order to:

  • Find out when and where influenza activity is occurring;

  • Determine what influenza viruses are circulating;

  • Detect changes in influenza viruses; and

  • Measure the impact influenza is having on outpatient illness, hospitalizations and deaths.

It is important to maintain a comprehensive system for influenza surveillance for the following reasons:

  • Influenza viruses are constantly changing (referred to as antigenic drift), and thus ongoing data collection and characterization of the viruses are required;

  • Influenza viruses can also undergo an abrupt, major change (referred to as antigenic shift) that results in a virus that is different than currently circulating influenza viruses; surveillance of viruses will detect these changes and inform the public health response;

  • Vaccines must be administered annually and are updated regularly based on surveillance findings;

  • Treatment for influenza is guided by laboratory surveillance for antiviral resistance; and

  • Influenza surveillance and targeted research studies are used to monitor the impact of influenza on different segments of the population (e.g. age groups, underlying medical conditions).

 

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14 minutes ago, benwynn said:

 

I know it's correct.  That's why I fucking posted it. 

Sorry next time I'll say Ditto - That should really explode your brain.

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28 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

So, if your boy had his way, what would that have done for the preparedness?

Of course, he does own the firing and non-replacement of the folks who would've been involved - 

It is also true that in 2018 the Trump administration fired key officials connected to the U.S. pandemic response, and they were not replaced.

Also in 2018, news reports circulated about an 80% reduction in the CDC’s program that worked in various countries to fight epidemics. That was the result of the anticipated depletion of previously allotted funding. “Countries where the CDC is planning to scale back include some of the world’s hot spots for emerging infectious disease, such as China, Pakistan, Haiti, Rwanda and Congo,” the Washington Post reported in 2018.

The fact that epidemic prevention-efforts were scaled back in China gained new significance in February 2020 as coronavirus spread globally after it was first detected in Wuhan, China, in late 2019.

U.S. legislators in late February were discussing billions of dollars in funding for coronavirus response.

Did President Trump Cut the CDC Budget?

The study posted in this thread, shows your fear mongering to be a false narrative.   

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59 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Nope. The study deals with all kinds of factors. The sum total shows that the US is the most prepared nation on earth.  As a US citizen I was happy to learn the country is prepared.  The headline was in response to the hyperbole expressed in many threads claiming the exact opposite.  
There is no telling where this will lead, but the country, according to this study has the ability to deal with it better than has been predicted. 

So, why don’t they have enough test kits?

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Anyhoo, all the preparation in the world won't protect you from HWWBT (He who won't be told)

Read this very carefully Joker.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/02/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-vaccine-push-back/index.html

President Donald Trump was contradicted by a health expert on his coronavirus task force over the timing for a potential vaccine during a briefing Monday.

Trump was asked about a timeline for a vaccine during the Cabinet Room meeting with pharmaceutical executives and members of his task force.
"I don't know what the time will be. I've heard very quick numbers, that of months. And I've heard pretty much a year would be an outside number. So I think that's not a bad range. But if you're talking about three to four months in a couple of cases, a year in other cases," Trump said.
 
But Dr. Antony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, immediately corrected the President: "Let me make sure you get the ... information. A vaccine that you make and start testing in a year is not a vaccine that's deployable."
As Fauci explained the timeline, Trump folded his arms.
Fauci said: "So he's asking the question -- when is it going to be deployable? And that is going to be, at the earliest, a year to a year and a half, no matter how fast you go."
 
"Do you think that's right?" Trump asked the pharmaceutical executives at the table, just as Fauci finished speaking. "Well, I think treatment in many ways might be more exciting."
 
The pushback didn't come just from Fauci.
Throughout the meeting, Trump was hyperfocused on pressing industry leaders in the room for a timeline for a coronavirus vaccine and treatment.
But experts at the table -- from the administration and the pharmaceutical industry -- repeatedly emphasized that a vaccine can't be rushed to market before it's been declared safe for the public.
 
"So you're talking over the next few months, you could have a vaccine?" Trump later asked Stéphane Bancel, the CEO of Moderna, a biotechnology company.

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9 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

So, why don’t they have enough test kits?

Because.

1) This admin resisted testing early on because it (positive results) might make them look bad

2) the CDC plagued by Trump cuts managed to contaminate the lab where the kits were being developed causing more delays

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4 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Because.

1) This admin resisted testing early on because it (positive results) might make them look bad

2) the CDC plagued by Trump cuts managed to contaminate the lab where the kits were being developed causing more delays

Bingo! We also don’t have enough respirators, even though we have known that since 2005.

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36 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Bingo! We also don’t have enough respirators, even though we have known that since 2005.

So 12 years before Trump even took office. Yep that’s his fault.  As to test kits looks like the best test is a CT scan.

https://www.itnonline.com/content/ct-provides-best-diagnosis-novel-coronavirus-covid-19

 Available everywhere. 

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11 minutes ago, The Joker said:

So 12 years before Trump even took office. Yep that’s his fault.  As to test kits looks like the best test is a CT scan.

https://www.itnonline.com/content/ct-provides-best-diagnosis-novel-coronavirus-covid-19

 Available everywhere. 

Viral Assay Kit - $2.50

CT Scan - $800.00

Fucking brilliant

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5 minutes ago, bhyde said:

Viral Assay Kit - $2.50

CT Scan - $800.00

Fucking brilliant

He didn’t get the moniker “The Joke” by accident.

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10 minutes ago, bhyde said:

Viral Assay Kit - $2.50

CT Scan - $800.00

Fucking brilliant

I thought it was all about the speed to diagnose.  Test kits go to labs to be read. 24 to 48 hours 
I’d love to see a copy of any test billed at $2.50 

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1 hour ago, Fakenews said:

Because.

1) This admin resisted testing early on because it (positive results) might make them look bad

2) the CDC plagued by Trump cuts managed to contaminate the lab where the kits were being developed causing more delays

Fucking moron, the fake cuts are well discussed upthread , fickoff.

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59 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Bingo! We also don’t have enough respirators, even though we have known that since 2005.

What did Obama do about that for 8 years?

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2 minutes ago, warbird said:

What did Obama do about that for 8 years?

Considering Obama had a test run with the swine flu in 2009. There should  have been warehouses full by the end of his second term. 

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1 minute ago, The Joker said:

I thought it was all about the speed to diagnose.  Test kits go to labs to be read. 24 to 48 hours 
I’d love to see a copy of any test billed at $2.50 

Cost.

Hundreds of labs (Quest, Lab Corp, etc. for example) running 2500 samples per hour. Do the numbers.

You simple have no idea what you're talking about. I recommend you stop before you embarrass yourself.

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2 minutes ago, bhyde said:

Cost.

Hundreds of labs (Quest, Lab Corp, etc. for example) running 2500 samples per hour. Do the numbers.

You simple have no idea what you're talking about. I recommend you stop before you embarrass yourself.

It's OK..trump has warehouses full of CT scanners and technicians all ready to go.

I must stop. I feel like I'm arguing with my 86YO mother..around and around and around..

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2 minutes ago, bhyde said:

Cost.

Hundreds of labs (Quest, Lab Corp, etc. for example) running 2500 samples per hour. Do the numbers.

You simple have no idea what you're talking about. I recommend you stop before you embarrass yourself.

Way too late..

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9 minutes ago, warbird said:

Fucking moron, the fake cuts are well discussed upthread , fickoff.

Fake News!!!

So which is fake, the news of the cuts or that the cuts were fake?

Actually reading the federal budget is a bit tedious but it provides a lot of answers. I strongly suspect that you would not like Trump nearly so much if you knew what he was really doing.

- DSK

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1 minute ago, Steam Flyer said:

Fake News!!!

So which is fake, the news of the cuts or that the cuts were fake?

Actually reading the federal budget is a bit tedious but it provides a lot of answers. I strongly suspect that you would not like Trump nearly so much if you knew what he was really doing.

- DSK

NYET!

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Just now, bhyde said:

Cost.

Hundreds of labs (Quest, Lab Corp, etc. for example) running 2500 samples per hour. Do the numbers.

You simple have no idea what you're talking about. I recommend you stop before you embarrass yourself.

I posted a link showing that the best test for this virus may be a CT scan.  You chimed in with your BS claiming the Lab test is only $2.50   I called BS and you post more deflection.  If a hospital runs a simple glucose test it will be a hell of a lot more than $2.50.  

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4 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

It's OK..trump has warehouses full of CT scanners and technicians all ready to go.

I must stop. I feel like I'm arguing with my 86YO mother..around and around and around..

No but every hospital has one or more as do most immediate care centers. 
There are 75 million CT scans per year in the US.  The equipment and techs are already in place.  Like I said in the other thread. You are completely clueless. 
https://idataresearch.com/over-75-million-ct-scans-are-performed-each-year-and-growing-despite-radiation-concerns/

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7 minutes ago, The Joker said:

I posted a link showing that the best test for this virus may be a CT scan.  You chimed in with your BS claiming the Lab test is only $2.50   I called BS and you post more deflection.  If a hospital runs a simple glucose test it will be a hell of a lot more than $2.50.  

I think you're confusing the cost with the charge.

 

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1 minute ago, Shortforbob said:

I think you're confusing the cost with the charge.

 

So what is the cost of a CT scan.  His comparison. Not mine. 

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13 minutes ago, The Joker said:

I posted a link showing that the best test for this virus may be a CT scan.  You chimed in with your BS claiming the Lab test is only $2.50   I called BS and you post more deflection.  If a hospital runs a simple glucose test it will be a hell of a lot more than $2.50.  

As usual you missed the point. I know, we're all amazed. So let me clear it up for you in terms I'm hoping will fire a stray neuron or two. Ready? Here it is:

YOU CAN'T FUCKING TEST MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WITH A CT SCANNER. THEY TAKE TOO LONG. THEY COST TOO MUCH. AND THERE AREN'T ENOUGH OF THEM.

Now go wander off and read another PR piece from Imaging Technology News, because they are as unbiased about CT scanners as Fox is with facts.

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40 minutes ago, The Joker said:

So 12 years before Trump even took office. Yep that’s his fault.  As to test kits looks like the best test is a CT scan.

https://www.itnonline.com/content/ct-provides-best-diagnosis-novel-coronavirus-covid-19

 Available everywhere. 

He shares the burden, and since it happened on his watch, he catches the blame. That’s how it works.

The test kits are still being produced, Most places are still waiting for them. We also don’t have enough ventilators, which means more people will die needlessly.

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25 minutes ago, warbird said:

What did Obama do about that for 8 years?

If you want to make this about Obama, then you need to step up and find out for yourself. 

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21 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Fake News!!!

So which is fake, the news of the cuts or that the cuts were fake?

Actually reading the federal budget is a bit tedious but it provides a lot of answers. I strongly suspect that you would not like Trump nearly so much if you knew what he was really doing.

- DSK

You are a fucking 37 IQ moron. Fuck off.  The current bidget did shift funds to states, better allocation. Look up thread, then fuck off. 

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5 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

He shares the burden, and since it happened on his watch, he catches the blame. That’s how it works.

The test kits are still being produced, Most places are still waiting for them. We also don’t have enough ventilators, which means more people will die needlessly.

Oh please. Ventilators have been part of any treatment planning for decades to try and blame Trump  for any shortage is TDS  

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8 minutes ago, The Joker said:

No but every hospital has one or more as do most immediate care centers. 
There are 75 million CT scans per year in the US.  The equipment and techs are already in place.  Like I said in the other thread. You are completely clueless. 
https://idataresearch.com/over-75-million-ct-scans-are-performed-each-year-and-growing-despite-radiation-concerns/

This is good news. After 5 years we’ll have been able to test everyone for the low, low cost of  of approximately $350B.  Of course all those people waiti;g on CAT scans for say BRAIN INJURIES will just have to wait

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3 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

This is good news. After 5 years we’ll have been able to test everyone for the low, low cost of  of approximately $350B.  Of course all those people waiti;g on CAT scans for say BRAIN INJURIES will just have to wait

You really do suck at math.  

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5 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Oh please. Ventilators have been part of any treatment planning for decades to try and blame Trump  for any shortage is TDS  

You’re making things up now. Ventilators are a critical shortage. There is a government stockpile, but if this virus is as bad as they say you’ll end up wishing they had more when you need one. In any event, masks are a problem as well, the public are hoarding them and it is affecting supply and price. Just today, the CDC pleaded with the public to stop buying masks.

Then there is the little problem with rural areas, cities are fairly well prepared, the country is not, they will lack services of all types. This will not get better, the pressure is on everyone to succeed, but with people like Trump in charge, everyone will do more poorly than necessary.

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6 minutes ago, The Joker said:

You really do suck at math.  

Says the guy who thinks 12,000 CT scanners is better than 250,000 certified labs (in the US alone) running 13 billion tests a year for diagnosing infectious diseases. Christ.

 

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Now y'all don't suppose that a national health system of M4A 

would make it easier to deal with the Corona bug, do ya? 

When you deny decent health care to 1/3 of the population, 

who are un- or under-doctored and almost never seek care, 

it's gonna come back and bite you in the ass bigly. 

And you totally deserve it. 

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10 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

 

When you deny decent health care to 1/3 of the population, 

Why do you chose to exist in a separate reality, Are you a fucking moron?  But you knew that ....

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7 minutes ago, warbird said:

Why do you chose to exist in a separate reality, Are you a fucking moron?  But you knew that ....

I plead guilty to existing the the reality based community . .  

Read this a weep ya punk Reichista. 

JAMES G. KAHN, MD, MPH, JGKahn@ucsf.edu
    Dr. Kahn is emeritus professor at the Philip R. Lee Institute for Health Policy Studies, the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, and the Institute for Global Health Sciences in the School of Medicine, University of California San Francisco.

   He said today: "Having Medicare for All would encourage promptly seeking needed medical treatment for individuals with symptoms that may indicate a disease like coronavirus. This means that cases would be detected earlier, speeding treatment and epidemic control. Some candidates and commentators have argued that any method to achieve universal coverage would work. However, this misses the mark. We need not only insurance but insurance without financial barriers  -- deductibles and copays. You get that with Medicare for All but not other currently contemplated universal coverage approaches."

  Kahn adds, "There's another important advantage to having a single billing system -- rapid and standardized data on clinical encounters, including diagnoses and treatments. This would be immensely valuable for public health officials who are tracking epidemic patterns. Knowing when and where cases happen, and how they are handled, is critical. Our current highly fragmented insurance system and any piecemeal reform can't do that."

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3 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

I plead guilty to existing the the reality based community . .  

Read this a weep ya punk Reichista. 

JAMES G. KAHN, MD, MPH, JGKahn@ucsf.edu
    Dr. Kahn is emeritus professor at the Philip R. Lee Institute for Health Policy Studies, the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, and the Institute for Global Health Sciences in the School of Medicine, University of California San Francisco.

   He said today: "Having Medicare for All would encourage promptly seeking needed medical treatment for individuals with symptoms that may indicate a disease like coronavirus. This means that cases would be detected earlier, speeding treatment and epidemic control. Some candidates and commentators have argued that any method to achieve universal coverage would work. However, this misses the mark. We need not only insurance but insurance without financial barriers  -- deductibles and copays. You get that with Medicare for All but not other currently contemplated universal coverage approaches."

  Kahn adds, "There's another important advantage to having a single billing system -- rapid and standardized data on clinical encounters, including diagnoses and treatments. This would be immensely valuable for public health officials who are tracking epidemic patterns. Knowing when and where cases happen, and how they are handled, is critical. Our current highly fragmented insurance system and any piecemeal reform can't do that."

Why do you put foreward socialist ideas? Are you incapable of thinking on your own? Are you incapable of providing for your wife and loved ones?. Are you a total puss? Are you suffering from success envy? POOFTER. 

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5 hours ago, The Joker said:

What do you have to say Bullshitters? 
 

 

it's always conspicuous when a Reich-winger throws around the term bullshitters, eh... what kind of a stupid fkn' punk-bitch vehemently supports an organization that uses it's cover as a political party to rape the environment for short term financial gains. why don't you 'fess up about this particular disconnect you play at, or shut your cocksucker.

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13 minutes ago, warbird said:

Why do you chose to exist in a separate reality, Are you a fucking moron?  But you knew that ....

Warbird, I really wish you would learn to think problems through. If everyone had access to healthcare, the chance that you would have to give up your ventilator to a 15-year-old would be drastically reduced or even your 15-year-old might have to give up his ventilator for an 8-year-old. I'm sure you have VA, but that is a whole different enchilada. I hear they don't even want to see veterans unless they call first, and the use of telehealth to talk to your doctor is the preferred method.

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3 minutes ago, warbird said:

Why do you put foreward socialist ideas? Are you incapable of thinking on your own? Are you incapable of providing for your wife and loved ones?. Are you a total puss? Are you suffering from success envy? POOFTER. 

damn Warturd, are you this simple on purpose?

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1 minute ago, 3to1 said:

damn Warturd, are you this simple on purpose?

It's not like he has a choice.

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1 minute ago, 3to1 said:

damn Warturd, are you this simple on purpose?

That's the Tullamore Dew talking, not Warbird.

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10 minutes ago, warbird said:

 Are you suffering from success envy? POOFTER. 

Are you bitter that your son is in the closet?

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12 minutes ago, warbird said:

Why do you put foreward socialist ideas?

Um, based on your profile, it looks as though you are employed by the socialist sector of the economy. 

Get a real job, stop sucking on the taxpayers teat, and learn how to spell ya punk. 

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5 hours ago, The Joker said:

What do you have to say Bullshitters? 
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/01/27/the-countries-best-and-worst-prepared-for-an-epidemic-infographic/#506e1e735799

 Last October, the Global Health Security Index was released, exploring that very issue. It was the first comprehensive assessment of global health security capabilities in 195 countries. The index analyzed preparation levels by focusing on whether countries have the proper tools in place to deal with large scale outbreaks of disease, with scores measured on a scale of 0 to 100 where 100 is the highest level of preparedness.

The United States has the strongest measures in place and it came first with a score of 83.5, ahead of the United Kingdom with 77.9 and the Netherlands with 75.6. China was further down the ranking with a score of 48.2, placing it 51st.

 

 

America! Fuck yeah!

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3 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

Blimey.

Think “purple”

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10 hours ago, Nice! said:

What that article doesn't say is whether the data was taken before or after Trumpy's cuts to CDC and Pandemic Response teams. 

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Also it relies on self reporting. You trust the Trump administration to tell the truth?

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10 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

I fail to see the point of this thread.

Republican stroking in response the fears create by the obviously incompetent and inept Trump administration.

Meanwhile, Trump is "shocked" the flu kills people, doesn't understand why a regular flu shot won't help with coronavirus, and doesn't understand why we can't just develop a vaccine in two months.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/03/donald-trump-spars-coronavirus-experts-demands-vaccine-12337663/

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8 hours ago, badlatitude said:

So, why don’t they have enough test kits?

To test for a specific disease the disease has to exist first and then be identified as a threat

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2 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

To test for a specific disease the disease has to exist first and then be identified as a threat

Well it does help if you have those people ready and able to do so, oh wait, they arent because of two things, 

 

1. Undo everything that Obama did and

2. see 1

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21 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

To test for a specific disease the disease has to exist first and then be identified as a threat

Well, China gave us a month head start by keeping it contained. So, why are we still short?

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8 hours ago, warbird said:

You are a fucking 37 IQ moron. Fuck off.  The current bidget did shift funds to states, better allocation. Look up thread, then fuck off. 

For me to try and get you to look at actual facts is not a good reason to call me a moron

The moron is the one that follows wishful thinking and gets angry when things don't turn out well. Who is that?

- DSK

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7 hours ago, warbird said:
7 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

I plead guilty to existing the the reality based community . .  

Read this a weep ya punk Reichista. 

JAMES G. KAHN, MD, MPH, JGKahn@ucsf.edu
    Dr. Kahn is emeritus professor at the Philip R. Lee Institute for Health Policy Studies, the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, and the Institute for Global Health Sciences in the School of Medicine, University of California San Francisco.

   He said today: "Having Medicare for All would encourage promptly seeking needed medical treatment for individuals with symptoms that may indicate a disease like coronavirus. This means that cases would be detected earlier, speeding treatment and epidemic control. Some candidates and commentators have argued that any method to achieve universal coverage would work. However, this misses the mark. We need not only insurance but insurance without financial barriers  -- deductibles and copays. You get that with Medicare for All but not other currently contemplated universal coverage approaches."

  Kahn adds, "There's another important advantage to having a single billing system -- rapid and standardized data on clinical encounters, including diagnoses and treatments. This would be immensely valuable for public health officials who are tracking epidemic patterns. Knowing when and where cases happen, and how they are handled, is critical. Our current highly fragmented insurance system and any piecemeal reform can't do that."

Why do you put foreward socialist ideas? Are you incapable of thinking on your own? Are you incapable of providing for your wife and loved ones?. Are you a total puss? Are you suffering from success envy? POOFTER. 

@AJ Oliver, I was skimming through the thread when I saw your post.  My immediate thought was "Why would he focus on sharing comments from an expert in a libbyrul place like California?"  San Francisco, no less!!  The Faithful will simply dismiss it with a simplistic "That's Socialism!"

@warbird beat me to it it.

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8 hours ago, badlatitude said:

You’re making things up now. Ventilators are a critical shortage. There is a government stockpile, but if this virus is as bad as they say you’ll end up wishing they had more when you need one. In any event, masks are a problem as well, the public are hoarding them and it is affecting supply and price. Just today, the CDC pleaded with the public to stop buying masks.

Then there is the little problem with rural areas, cities are fairly well prepared, the country is not, they will lack services of all types. This will not get better, the pressure is on everyone to succeed, but with people like Trump in charge, everyone will do more poorly than necessary.

Why do you think the public is suddenly buying masks?   Perhaps the full court doom being predicted by the democrats and the media.  In 2009 we had over 20,000 swine flu cases and 1000 deaths in the US.  So unless this is dramatically worse I not worried about how the US will handle it.  


Good news it looks  like it is slowing down in China. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-deaths-china-cases-slow-live-updates-200303003539680.html


11:50 GMT - Wuhan closes one of its makeshift hospitals

The Chinese city at the centre of the coronavirus epidemic closed its first makeshift hospital, one of 16 hurriedly built to handle the epidemic, after it discharged the last recovered patients, state broadcaster CCTV reported on Monday.

News of the closure coincided with a sharp decline in new cases in Hubei province and the provincial capital Wuhan, but the country remained on alert as Chinese nationals returning home are testing positive for the virus.

China's central Hubei province, the epicentre of the country's coronavirus outbreak, reported less than 200 cases of new infections for the first time since January.

 

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9 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Why do you think the public is suddenly buying masks?   Perhaps the full court doom being predicted by the democrats and the media.  In 2009 we had over 20,000 swine flu cases and 1000 deaths in the US.  So unless this is dramatically worse I not worried about how the US will handle it.  


Good news it looks  like it is slowing down in China. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-deaths-china-cases-slow-live-updates-200303003539680.html


11:50 GMT - Wuhan closes one of its makeshift hospitals

The Chinese city at the centre of the coronavirus epidemic closed its first makeshift hospital, one of 16 hurriedly built to handle the epidemic, after it discharged the last recovered patients, state broadcaster CCTV reported on Monday.

News of the closure coincided with a sharp decline in new cases in Hubei province and the provincial capital Wuhan, but the country remained on alert as Chinese nationals returning home are testing positive for the virus.

China's central Hubei province, the epicentre of the country's coronavirus outbreak, reported less than 200 cases of new infections for the first time since January.

 

The full court concern comes from abundant caution learned from experience.

The Spanish flu was mild in the spring and people relaxed their concerns like you are doing now. The virus roared back in the fall and took 50 million with it.

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29 minutes ago, The Joker said:

Why do you think the public is suddenly buying masks?   Perhaps the full court doom being predicted by the democrats and the media.  In 2009 we had over 20,000 swine flu cases and 1000 deaths in the US.  So unless this is dramatically worse I not worried about how the US will handle it.  


Good news it looks  like it is slowing down in China. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-deaths-china-cases-slow-live-updates-200303003539680.html


11:50 GMT - Wuhan closes one of its makeshift hospitals

The Chinese city at the centre of the coronavirus epidemic closed its first makeshift hospital, one of 16 hurriedly built to handle the epidemic, after it discharged the last recovered patients, state broadcaster CCTV reported on Monday.

News of the closure coincided with a sharp decline in new cases in Hubei province and the provincial capital Wuhan, but the country remained on alert as Chinese nationals returning home are testing positive for the virus.

China's central Hubei province, the epicentre of the country's coronavirus outbreak, reported less than 200 cases of new infections for the first time since January.

 

But by the argument of the report you quote China was poorly positioned to deal with this outbreak and yet have done very well in limiting the damage. The US, which is supposed to be #1 in capability, has done a piss poor job compared to most other rich countries. What happened in Washington state verges on the criminal. At the very least people should lose their jobs, if not face criminal charges.

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28 minutes ago, Bristol-Cruiser said:

But by the argument of the report you quote China was poorly positioned to deal with this outbreak and yet have done very well in limiting the damage. The US, which is supposed to be #1 in capability, has done a piss poor job compared to most other rich countries. What happened in Washington state verges on the criminal. At the very least people should lose their jobs, if not face criminal charges.

How are we doing a piss poor job?  Old people died from a virus that hits old people the hardest.  How in any way shape or form is that bordering on criminal.   More people died in a tornado near Nashville yesterday.  Time to charge people at the weather service with manslaughter.    

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48 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

The full court concern comes from abundant caution learned from experience.

The Spanish flu was mild in the spring and people relaxed their concerns like you are doing now. The virus roared back in the fall and took 50 million with it.

There you go with the fear mongering.  I’m not relaxing any concerns,  but I’m also not buying into the End of days, claims being made.  I think we have made a bit of medical progress in the last 100 years.  

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