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1 hour ago, barfy said:

With exemptions to go to a funeral.

Wife says, should be theirs. ^_^

I'm with your wife. Not physically, just philosophically :D

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1 hour ago, AJ Oliver said:

Aren't there any progressives in Aotearoa Northland? 

Note that @Gissie did not deny being an extremist partisan, 

nor should he. 

So why mention it?

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3 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

So why mention it?  (Extreme partisanship) 

Well, ah, I had you in mind as well. 

Your posts would be much more interesting if you focused on policy . .  not that hyper-partisan "bloody greens" stuff. 

Why not make an effort of honestly explain what the Green's policies are, and where you agree and/or disagree? 

Too much work? 

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1 minute ago, AJ Oliver said:

Well, ah, I had you in mind as well. 

Your posts would be much more interesting if you focused on policy . .  not that hyper-partisan "bloody greens" stuff. 

Why not make an effort of honestly explain what the Green's policies are, and where you agree and/or disagree? 

Too much work? 

Fuck off, ya socialist wanker. 

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1 minute ago, Sailbydate said:

Fuck off, ya socialist wanker. 

Bite me, ya Reichista punk. 

(note that for SB and that Elk, any discussion of "policy" is a sure sign of socialist tendencies, 

stupid beyond belief) 

 

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23 hours ago, Indio said:

" According to exit polls (2018 mid-term elections) 61 percent of non-college-educated white voters cast their ballots for Republicans while just 45 percent of college-educated white voters did so. Meanwhile 53 percent of college-educated white voters cast their votes for Democrats compared with 37 percent of those without a degree. " The Atlantic

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How come 59% of Democrat voters that responded are college graduates and 49% aren't? That's 108%. The republican numbers add to 88%, so 12 percent were are neither graduates or non–graduates. How does that work? No wonder people are wary of elections.

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50 minutes ago, RobG said:

How come 59% of Democrat voters that responded are college graduates and 49% aren't? That's 108%. The republican numbers add to 88%, so 12 percent were are neither graduates or non–graduates. How does that work? No wonder people are wary of elections.

You read it wrong but the numbers are a bit misleading. The Yes/No numbers are on the left, 41% are and 59% aren't, of those 59% 49% are democrat, 49% republican and 2% no answer. You would have to multiply 59% and 49% to get the actual proportion.

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50 minutes ago, RobG said:

How come 59% of Democrat voters that responded are college graduates and 49% aren't? That's 108%. The republican numbers add to 88%, so 12 percent were are neither graduates or non–graduates. How does that work? No wonder people are wary of elections.

Of the 41% who replied Yes they are College graduates, 59% of them voted Dems, 39% GoP, and 2% didn't bother replying.

Of the 59% who replied they were non-graduates, 49% voted for Dems and 49% for GoP, with 2% non replies.

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2 hours ago, Lakrass said:

You read it wrong but the numbers are a bit misleading. The Yes/No numbers are on the left, 41% are and 59% aren't, of those 59% 49% are democrat, 49% republican and 2% no answer. You would have to multiply 59% and 49% to get the actual proportion.

Ah, got it. 

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6 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

 

Your posts would be much more interesting if you focused on policy . .  not that hyper-partisan "bloody greens" stuff. 

 

Says the person that claims anyone with a different opinion is a fascist asshole. Yet he is the one with a closet full of brown shirts.

As for a progressive, you wouldn't recognise one if they smacked you on the nose. Just be another Reichista to you baby mind.

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12 hours ago, barfy said:

Wasn't that Bloomfield fella pretty good at what he did, and helped shape the strategy?

What experts do you speak of?

The one he can see in the mirror when he's wiping. :P

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1 hour ago, mad said:

The one he can see in the mirror when he's wiping. :P

What’s this desametasone breakthrough?

 

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16 hours ago, hasher said:

I think it's brilliant.  The USA will be allied with you including the surrender.

 

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The more we learn about the two new cases, the angrier I get! We did not tolerate 7 weeks of lockdown in one severe form or another to have some faceless fuckwit make a decision which endangers us all over again. I'm glad the government is going to implement the recommendations in the just-released Health & Disability System Review, because it sounds like the Health Department has fucked up managing the quarantine requirements - just like it has fucked up managing resources throughout the country for years.

They need immediately to tighten up procedures and processes for dealing with travellers in quarantine:

1: All travellers intending to travel to NZ (Kiwis or not) must present a test certificate confirming they have tested negative to covid-19 before they can purchase an airline ticket at their country of departure -no fucking exceptions, no "special" dispensations!

2: DO NOT accept any test "certificates" from anyone travelling from any exit airport in China;

3: Upon landing in NZ, they are to be taken immediately to quarantine where they will be tested for covid-19: if still negative, quarantine the full 14 days. If positive, send them back to where they travelled from, unless they hold NZ passports;

4: I have a suspicion that a private security company is managing the quarantine facilities, based on the speed with which the dispensation was granted. They should be replaced immediately by army personnel, with senior commanders in charge of on-going monitoring and testing of the quarantined.

 

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35 minutes ago, Indio said:

The more we learn about the two new cases, the angrier I get! We did not tolerate 7 weeks of lockdown in one severe form or another to have some faceless fuckwit make a decision which endangers us all over again. I'm glad the government is going to implement the recommendations in the just-released Health & Disability System Review, because it sounds like the Health Department has fucked up managing the quarantine requirements - just like it has fucked up managing resources throughout the country for years.

They need immediately to tighten up procedures and processes for dealing with travellers in quarantine:

1: All travellers intending to travel to NZ (Kiwis or not) must present a test certificate confirming they have tested negative to covid-19 before they can purchase an airline ticket at their country of departure -no fucking exceptions, no "special" dispensations!

2: DO NOT accept any test "certificates" from anyone travelling from any exit airport in China;

3: Upon landing in NZ, they are to be taken immediately to quarantine where they will be tested for covid-19: if still negative, quarantine the full 14 days. If positive, send them back to where they travelled from, unless they hold NZ passports;

4: I have a suspicion that a private security company is managing the quarantine facilities, based on the speed with which the dispensation was granted. They should be replaced immediately by army personnel, with senior commanders in charge of on-going monitoring and testing of the quarantined.

 

You missed one, all quarantine costs to be charged to the individual. Payment prior to exiting airport or back on the plane you go.

It was interesting that David Clark had no idea of the two cases when quizzed by media. He is a complete waste of space and needs to go.

As for your idea that the report on health will be implemented, I fear you will be sorely disappointed. Our system is so bad, not because of the health department itself, but being underfunded by successive governments for decades and this one was not changing this. We have allowed high immigration without increasing the amount spent on infrastructure. This allowed everyone since Helen to claim we are a booming economy. Instead we were a ponzi scheme waiting for the collapse.

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14 minutes ago, Gissie said:

You missed one, all quarantine costs to be charged to the individual. Payment prior to exiting airport or back on the plane you go.

It was interesting that David Clark had no idea of the two cases when quizzed by media. He is a complete waste of space and needs to go.

As for your idea that the report on health will be implemented, I fear you will be sorely disappointed. Our system is so bad, not because of the health department itself, but being underfunded by successive governments for decades and this one was not changing this. We have allowed high immigration without increasing the amount spent on infrastructure. This allowed everyone since Helen to claim we are a booming economy. Instead we were a ponzi scheme waiting for the collapse.

Anything is better than the current 20+ DHBs duplicating administration and medical scheduling costs that could be more efficiently managed with far fewer DHBs.

We need to empower ESR to collaborate with our Universities and Research entities into a single Disease Control & Prevention authority charged with responsibility to research and implement disease mitigation practices and innovations, with a separate entity to commercialise those intellectual products rather than have the Chinese steal it.

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26 minutes ago, Indio said:

Anything is better than the current 20+ DHBs duplicating administration and medical scheduling costs that could be more efficiently managed with far fewer DHBs.

We need to empower ESR to collaborate with our Universities and Research entities into a single Disease Control & Prevention authority charged with responsibility to research and implement disease mitigation practices and innovations, with a separate entity to commercialise those intellectual products rather than have the Chinese steal it.

I agree with this, I just doubt it will happen. If it does then it will be little better. There will be hundreds of Health board bureaucrats fighting to keep their position at the taxpayer trough. As we all know, they will not go easily.

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3 hours ago, Indio said:

The more we learn about the two new cases, the angrier I get! We did not tolerate 7 weeks of lockdown in one severe form or another to have some faceless fuckwit make a decision which endangers us all over again. I'm glad the government is going to implement the recommendations in the just-released Health & Disability System Review, because it sounds like the Health Department has fucked up managing the quarantine requirements - just like it has fucked up managing resources throughout the country for years.

They need immediately to tighten up procedures and processes for dealing with travellers in quarantine:

1: All travellers intending to travel to NZ (Kiwis or not) must present a test certificate confirming they have tested negative to covid-19 before they can purchase an airline ticket at their country of departure -no fucking exceptions, no "special" dispensations!

2: DO NOT accept any test "certificates" from anyone travelling from any exit airport in China;

3: Upon landing in NZ, they are to be taken immediately to quarantine where they will be tested for covid-19: if still negative, quarantine the full 14 days. If positive, send them back to where they travelled from, unless they hold NZ passports;

4: I have a suspicion that a private security company is managing the quarantine facilities, based on the speed with which the dispensation was granted. They should be replaced immediately by army personnel, with senior commanders in charge of on-going monitoring and testing of the quarantined.

 

Just one thing - Deportation of infected isolators might be more risky to us than just moving them into proper locked down quarantine which I think is the current plan.

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9 minutes ago, rh3000 said:

Just one thing - Deportation of infected isolators might be more risky to us than just moving them into proper locked down quarantine which I think is the current plan. 

that will just encourage abuse of the system

a mix might be the best

ie

cure em in quarantine ... at their expense

then deport them

 

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The defence force is now in control of quarantine.
(Should of been from the start)

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If they tested negative and bought tickets in good faith, tested pos during quarantine, pay for quarantine and care andcare cured why deport them? Nobody would ever go as a visitor if they bought in good faith but got deported. 

Americans would expect to pay for themselves btw. Nuts to have govt pay for quarantine. 

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those would only be the cases where they had good reason to suspect they may have the virus

but chose to answer questions in the negative

open and honest .. no problem

any reason to suspect they have tried to hide things

*BOOT*

the health department has chosen to accept she thought it was a pre existing condition ... im not that convinced

 

 

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1 hour ago, NZL4EVER said:

The defence force is now in control of quarantine.
(Should of been from the start)

The Prime Minister said she is appointing assistant chief of defence Air Commodore Darryn Webb to oversee all quarantine and managed isolation facilities.

Webb will also undertake an audit of all the existing systems and written protocols to ensure they were being fully implemented.

 

not the defence force . although those backups will be available for him

it's just one person .. and

air force worries me .. they are the marketing dept of the defence forces

i would prefer the army logistics and navy combined did it

the end result would be less pretty but far more efficient

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at least an audit will take place

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1 hour ago, NZL4EVER said:

The defence force is now in control of quarantine.
(Should of been from the start)

Issues of public safety should be addressed by departments whose primary responsibility is public safety. Quarantine should be run by the department responsible for public health as it will have people trained and equiped to do the job. If people break the law, the appropriate authority to deal with it is the police.

Military personnel do not have the knowledge, skills or equipment to do either task, outside of a very small percentage who are medics and military police. And their primary responsibility is not public safety. Putting the military in charge of a civilian program is typically only done in response to large natural disasters where their training in large scale logistics is helpful. Otherwise, they are usually only used for logistical support and manpower in relief efforts.

Calling on the military to deal with a fairly simple task of quarantining overseas visitors is a sign of lack of faith in the responsible civilian authorities (the ones that the Adern government has been in charge of for 3 years).

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27 minutes ago, RobG said:

Issues of public safety should be addressed by departments whose primary responsibility is public safety. Quarantine should be run by the department responsible for public health as it will have people trained and equiped to do the job. If people break the law, the appropriate authority to deal with it is the police.

it's not the department it's only one guy

Military personnel do not have the knowledge, skills or equipment to do either task, outside of a very small percentage who are medics and military police. And their primary responsibility is not public safety. Putting the military in charge of a civilian program is typically only done in response to large natural disasters where their training in large scale logistics is helpful. Otherwise, they are usually only used for logistical support and manpower in relief efforts.

here they are trained in cd and disaster relief

Calling on the military to deal with a fairly simple task of quarantining overseas visitors is a sign of lack of faith in the responsible civilian authorities (the ones that the Adern government has been in charge of for 3 years).

should have been simple .. but the health dept has made a dogs breakfast of it again and again from the start

controlling people is not their thing .. giving orders that are expected to be obeyed and having the personnel available to ensure that are also not their fields

it needs to go somewhere else after all the mistakes .. the lack of confidence is justified

the public dent to ego's should act as a spur to better things

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1 hour ago, phill_nz said:

at least an audit will take place

And with the fly boys in charge the quality of hotel room will improve...

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Turns out the Avatar crew were allowed entry based on no existing criteria. The criteria was released well after they were allowed exemption and back dated. So this seems another silent, back room deal that was made at the time and not made public knowledge. 
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/418933/avatar-crew-allowed-into-nz-without-basis-in-immigration-rules

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i have no problems with that at all

it was always going to happen for a few groups

movie crews and the AC were the main ones

 

if anything this pandemic has done its prove you need to act first then worry about debating the  legislation

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16 minutes ago, phill_nz said:

i have no problems with that at all

it was always going to happen for a few groups

movie crews and the AC were the main ones

 

if anything this pandemic has done its prove you need to act first then worry about debating the  legislation

As long as that criteria is consistent. Remember, NZ is the reason we got to 0 cases. The government is the reason we gained 2 cases.

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3 hours ago, phill_nz said:

air force worries me .. they are the marketing dept of the defence forces

i would prefer the army logistics and navy combined did it

the end result would be less pretty but far more efficient

Dude, I hope you're not putting yourself forward as an advertisement for the Navy's thinking.

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2 hours ago, phill_nz said:

i have no problems with that at all

it was always going to happen for a few groups

movie crews and the AC were the main ones

 

if anything this pandemic has done its prove you need to act first then worry about debating the  legislation

That is some strong stuff. Giving a government, plus all the departments, the ability to just do as they want then worry about the law later. That genie will never go back in the box once we find it acceptable behaviour.

And breaking the law for a film crew, you think that is important enough to just trample over legislation. Not lives or anything really important, just a film.

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1 hour ago, DayTripper said:

Jesus.

Here ya go...

 

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I am fucking angry that those responsible for the decision to permit these diseased visitors to travel to Wellington have not been sacked! What is more worrying is that another 300+ "special dispensations" were permitted before these women - information which has only been revealed because of the uproar over these two women.

From here on in, there must be daily updates on:

1: How many new arrivals have been quarantined since the previous day's update;

2: How many of the new arrivals have tested negative or positive - and what is being done about the infected travellers;

3: No one from the Health Department should be involved in any decision over the fate of quarantined travellers. Health Dept personnel's only involvement should be restricted to the physical testing and reporting of the test results;

4: Any local family members or friends or acquaintances helping those quarantined to undermine the quarantine requirements must be prosecuted and jailed;

The decision over these diseased women has far-reaching consequences for NZ economically, in addition to potentially exposing us all to the virus.

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6 hours ago, rh3000 said:

Just one thing - Deportation of infected isolators might be more risky to us than just moving them into proper locked down quarantine which I think is the current plan.

I prefer putting them down.

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1 hour ago, Gissie said:

That is some strong stuff. Giving a government, plus all the departments, the ability to just do as they want then worry about the law later. That genie will never go back in the box once we find it acceptable behaviour.

And breaking the law for a film crew, you think that is important enough to just trample over legislation. Not lives or anything really important, just a film.

while thats very true in principal

im for accepting it in certain circumstances

and we all know that anything can go through the parliament

so its just allowing the inevitable

up until very late in the aids epidemic there was no punishment or detainment laws at all for health  reasons

people could deliberately infect others and there was no come back on them at all

consider covid a very fast indirect contact spreading aids virus and what would you end up with

there needs to be teeth for the protection of both the people and the economy .. its always both your screwing with

we could limit it to a week a fortnight a month at most before which it must be past by parliament or abandoned and must have the sig of the pm

 

as for the film crew per se .. undecided .. there are points both ways .. for sure the plans should have been more robust and thought out .. in principal its safe .. it was the execution they fuked up

 

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2 hours ago, DayTripper said:

Dude, I hope you're not putting yourself forward as an advertisement for the Navy's thinking.

dude are you still hurting about that

get mummy to put a roof on your cot .. we are sick of picking up your toys

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Now the two women who initially claimed they didn’t stop and had no contact with anyone, actually did stop after getting “lost” and ended up seeing 2 friends, one of which is a gym manager who “kissed and hugged them”. Apparently they were distraught and weren’t thinking straight. Now Bloomfield admits he has no idea how many people left isolation without a Covid test, but that the gap in the system is now closed. What a debacle! 

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13 hours ago, Indio said:

I prefer putting them down.

Don’t get a job working on the tourism revival any time soon. 

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1 hour ago, mad said:

Don’t get a job working on the tourism revival any time soon. 

Tourism is dead.

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Media darling and cockerel one day - fusty feather duster the next. Dr Ashley Bloomfield.

It's a tough world, post COVID-19

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5 minutes ago, NZL4EVER said:

Tourism is dead.

You'd be hard pushed to find a Tour Operator, who'd disagree, sadly.

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On 6/14/2020 at 7:08 PM, Indio said:

Total confirmed US cases seems to be heading in the wrong direction...

The issue seems to be that the northeastern states that were the initial hot spots like New York, New Jersey, etc. have since brought the disease more–or–less under control. However other states like California, Texas and Florida slowed but never significantly reduced the spread so that there are now 21 states with increasing infection rates.

So as incidence and deaths reduce in the NE, other states, particularly the south, are now taking their place giving a flat curve for a couple of months. However, that is about to change and the slow burners are about to become the new hot spots.

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The remaining question is how that will translate into deaths. It may be that those who consider themselves less vulnerable to bad outcomes are not bothering about getting infected, and that the more vulnerable continue to take precautions so don't get infected so that even though the overall infection rate is rising, the death rate isn't. Yet.

 Masks, good hygiene and social distancing seem to be pretty effective, and PPE seems to do the job in healthcare settings. It's really just a matter of people actually taking appropriate measures.

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1 hour ago, NZL4EVER said:

Tourism is dead.

 

1 hour ago, Sailbydate said:

You'd be hard pushed to find a Tour Operator, who'd disagree, sadly.

So how much does this change the plans for trying to get the industry going again? Knock on for the Cup? Tourists and visitors to view? Can you potentially see some team members from overseas thinking about trying to stay on? 

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Qantas in Aussie are thinking not much will happen with international travel till next year now.
I'd say NZ is in the same boat.

I voted for the current govt here but the way our leaders are stringing the tourism industry along is quite cruel.

They need to cut to the chase now, No amount of domestic travel will fill the gap especially it's now winter.
Shutdown time and cut ya losses no one actually knows when the industry will return.


Anyone that thinks they know are f**king kidding themselves!

 

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18 minutes ago, mad said:

 

So how much does this change the plans for trying to get the industry going again? Knock on for the Cup? Tourists and visitors to view? Can you potentially see some team members from overseas thinking about trying to stay on? 

Don't see any knock-on for the Cup, Mad. Inbound tourism will be driven by the pandemic reality, which is worsening, in my estimation.

I'd not be surprised if some of the Cup team members would have liked to stay on before this latest fuck up. Since then, not so much.

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5 hours ago, Forourselves said:

Now the two women who initially claimed they didn’t stop and had no contact with anyone, actually did stop after getting “lost” and ended up seeing 2 friends, one of which is a gym manager who “kissed and hugged them”. Apparently they were distraught and weren’t thinking straight. Now Bloomfield admits he has no idea how many people left isolation without a Covid test, but that the gap in the system is now closed. What a debacle! 

They really are giving “cunt” a bad name ...

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1 hour ago, Sailbydate said:

Don't see any knock-on for the Cup, Mad. Inbound tourism will be driven by the pandemic reality, which is worsening, in my estimation.

I'd not be surprised if some of the Cup team members would have liked to stay on before this latest fuck up. Since then, not so much.

Told ya “delay the Cup by one year” - but no, you wouldn’t listen ...

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1 hour ago, NZL4EVER said:

Qantas in Aussie are thinking not much will happen with international travel till next year now.
I'd say NZ is in the same boat.

I voted for the current govt here but the way our leaders are stringing the tourism industry along is quite cruel.

They need to cut to the chase now, No amount of domestic travel will fill the gap especially it's now winter.
Shutdown time and cut ya losses no one actually knows when the industry will return.


Anyone that thinks they know are f**king kidding themselves!

 

They are not only stringing them along, they are throwing millions at the ones the government thinks should be saved.

Ever seen any government make good choices on which businesses should be saved. More likely most will be iwi based as Labour needs the Maori votes.

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1 hour ago, Xlot said:

Told ya “delay the Cup by one year” - but no, you wouldn’t listen ...

I hope you're wrong, mate.

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3 hours ago, Gissie said:

They are not only stringing them along, they are throwing millions at the ones the government thinks should be saved.

Ever seen any government make good choices on which businesses should be saved. More likely most will be iwi based as Labour needs the Maori votes.

Ngai Tahu shut up shop down here in Hokitika, Franz Josef and Queenstown (Greenstone, Jet boats, Glacier flights, Glacier guides, Hot Pools, Ice Climbing) they knew how it is and have plenty of cash to rely on in the meantime.

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Politicians. What a bunch of lying cunts...all of them.

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5 hours ago, NZL4EVER said:

Qantas in Aussie are thinking not much will happen with international travel till next year now.
I'd say NZ is in the same boat.

I voted for the current govt here but the way our leaders are stringing the tourism industry along is quite cruel.

They need to cut to the chase now, No amount of domestic travel will fill the gap especially it's now winter.
Shutdown time and cut ya losses no one actually knows when the industry will return.


Anyone that thinks they know are f**king kidding themselves!

 

I think the snowfields desperately need the Aussie bubble to open for them to survive this winter.  They can't wait until summer, they need to make all their money in the next two and half months.

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2 hours ago, NZL4EVER said:

Ngai Tahu shut up shop down here in Hokitika, Franz Josef and Queenstown (Greenstone, Jet boats, Glacier flights, Glacier guides, Hot Pools, Ice Climbing) they knew how it is and have plenty of cash to rely on in the meantime.

Ngai Tahu are very astute. Kaikoura whale watching is getting support. Rotorua is on the short list and Waitomo (which is also Chinese so a double plus).

Votes in a couple of months are worth splashing the cash.

 

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10 hours ago, Sailbydate said:

Don't see any knock-on for the Cup, Mad. Inbound tourism will be driven by the pandemic reality, which is worsening, in my estimation.

I'd not be surprised if some of the Cup team members would have liked to stay on before this latest fuck up. Since then, not so much.

You are spouting nonsense. Back that Shit up with one iota of fact. The teams will arrive, and they won't be wearing FO stupid beanies.

Up here in the BOI we are modestly busy for this time of year. Camper van traffic is down but still sizable, overall vehicle traffic not far off norms. 

So not so much paranoia without fact. Be kind, tell truths.

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Deaths understates the problem. Not that deaths aren't tragic, but cases are what shows the prevalence and impact on life and the economy. Being sick can be really bad even without dying or being on a ventilator. And dread keeps people with time and cash  from engaging in activities. 

The red states that had fewer cases due to less density and that have crap attitude about science and altruism are getting their taste now.  The NE hotspots were coincidentally blue states. The South figured it was a minorities problem, a teeming city problem, not their problem. Besides, sunlight and drinking bleach fix ya right up. 

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Speaking as someone who is being as careful as possible, it is fucking jarring being out in harbors in the US. Not only are masks and distancing a tiny minority, there are an awful (I mean awful) lot of people who are aggressively giving shit to people who are wearing masks.  

I had an old coot walk up to me, really close even for normal times, and say "Hey, don't fall into the water when you're social distancing, ha!"

I pointed out that I was doing it for the elderly, and at his age he ought to be more careful.  He changed shades of red and called me a communist (?) 

My country is packed with morons

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^Friends in Texas and Floriduh are routinely heckled for wearing masks.  

 

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1 hour ago, NeedAClew said:

^Friends in Texas and Floriduh are routinely heckled for wearing masks.  

 

It's just your classic fear response. When they see someone in a mask they get a wave of adrenaline as they stare their own mortality in the face. For those, ignorance was bliss, and someone dared to expose them to reality.

It's truly a shame how schismatic the USA has become.

I only hope there is a path back, but it appears to be almost a kind of infectious disease that breeds more of itself.

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8 hours ago, barfy said:

You are spouting nonsense. Back that Shit up with one iota of fact. The teams will arrive, and they won't be wearing FO stupid beanies.

Up here in the BOI we are modestly busy for this time of year. Camper van traffic is down but still sizable, overall vehicle traffic not far off norms. 

So not so much paranoia without fact. Be kind, tell truths.

I'm pleased you're happy with progress, Barfy. Camper vans are practically being given away at the moment. With reasonable fleet utilisation, I'm sure Operators are feeling a bit more comfortable and hopefully covering their costs. But anything like their normal yields? That will require open borders and that's not happening anytime soon.

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1 hour ago, rh3000 said:

ignorance was bliss

That’s what I subscribe it to too. Some folks simply believe what they want to believe, because it’s more blissful that way. 
 

Less frighteningly but still an example is the deep devotion that many have towards a few ‘big-time, big-hair, big makeup’ TV Baptist Ministers. 

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10 hours ago, barfy said:

 Be kind, tell truths.

Tell that to our leader. Her government and her departments have made some monumental fuck ups, but she isn't interested in responsibility. So work for her and she will cover your ass and be kind.

Be someone that has no responsibility, just would like to follow the rules to enable compassionate leave and she will shit all over you. Fuck the be kind, you will be the scapegoat for all those under her control. What a piece of work she has turned out to be.

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Are you talking about the chick who eradicated the coronavirus but for a couple of english cunts?

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5 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Are you talking about the chick who eradicated the coronavirus but for a couple of english cunts?

No, we’re talking about the Terribly-Naughty British Nanny - where the f have you been? 

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4 hours ago, RMac said:

Speaking as someone who is being as careful as possible, it is fucking jarring being out in harbors in the US. Not only are masks and distancing a tiny minority, there are an awful (I mean awful) lot of people who are aggressively giving shit to people who are wearing masks.  

I had an old coot walk up to me, really close even for normal times, and say "Hey, don't fall into the water when you're social distancing, ha!"

I pointed out that I was doing it for the elderly, and at his age he ought to be more careful.  He changed shades of red and called me a communist (?) 

My country is packed with morons

Trump has become a cult for way too many people and they would rather listen to what they want to hear than facts or science.  They have made wearing masks a political statement.  Unfortunately, many will die from their stupidity.

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1 hour ago, Gissie said:

Tell that to our leader. Her government and her departments have made some monumental fuck ups, but she isn't interested in responsibility. So work for her and she will cover your ass and be kind.

Be someone that has no responsibility, just would like to follow the rules to enable compassionate leave and she will shit all over you. Fuck the be kind, you will be the scapegoat for all those under her control. What a piece of work she has turned out to be.

You have issues.  Seriously, you need to step back, listen to what you are saying and put it back into context.  Put yourself in the shoes of people in other countries.  You are very fortunate to be living in NZ.  You need to take responsibility for your own words and hatred.

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3 hours ago, Sailbydate said:

I'm pleased you're happy with progress, Barfy. Camper vans are practically being given away at the moment. With reasonable fleet utilisation, I'm sure Operators are feeling a bit more comfortable and hopefully covering their costs. But anything like their normal yields? That will require open borders and that's not happening anytime soon.

No,I think you want cruise ships.

Point is, Yur spouting about when you speak of teams not competing for the cup if they have to come to NZ.

Getta grip.

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1 hour ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Are you talking about the chick who eradicated the coronavirus but for a couple of english cunts?

I think that sour bloke needs to vote for weed this spring and wake and bake to control the venom.

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50 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said:

You have issues.  Seriously, you need to step back, listen to what you are saying and put it back into context.  Put yourself in the shoes of people in other countries.  You are very fortunate to be living in NZ.  You need to take responsibility for your own words and hatred.

So you understand what has happened over here? Or just making shit up as usual. There have been several complete cockup by those in charge. There is a statement by the person at the top that those involved if fucking it up do not need to be held responsible. Those that were happy to follow rules to get to see things like dying parents are to be punished instead.

You obviously think this is a great idea. Fucking wanker.

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1 hour ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Are you talking about the chick who eradicated the coronavirus but for a couple of english cunts?

No, but as you have no interest in actual facts, probably why you are a lawyer, I will just ignore your childish make believe.

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2 hours ago, barfy said:

No,I think you want cruise ships.

Point is, Yur spouting about when you speak of teams not competing for the cup if they have to come to NZ.

Getta grip.

Say what?

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1 hour ago, Gissie said:

So you understand what has happened over here? Or just making shit up as usual. There have been several complete cockup by those in charge. There is a statement by the person at the top that those involved if fucking it up do not need to be held responsible. Those that were happy to follow rules to get to see things like dying parents are to be punished instead.

You obviously think this is a great idea. Fucking wanker.

Your NZ virus quarantine system works with the exception of trying to take a shortcut by giving "exemptions" that defy the principal of the process.  Way too much trust in hoping people will do the right thing or assuming they know better than the science dictates.  It should never have happen, but it has been corrected.  

You sure sound like a pleasant fellow...  Imagine how bitter you would be if you lived in a country that has real cockup in charge ...

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39 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said:

Your NZ virus quarantine system works with the exception of trying to take a shortcut by giving "exemptions" that defy the principal of the process.  Way too much trust in hoping people will do the right thing or assuming they know better than the science dictates.  It should never have happen, but it has been corrected.  

You sure sound like a pleasant fellow...  Imagine how bitter you would be if you lived in a country that has real cockup in charge ...

Our quarantine system works well if they follow the rules, but they haven't. The exemptions are still meant to be tested before they are allowed out. We now have an admission that almost 300 have been released and they have no idea how many were tested before they left.

We had 6 allowed out to a tangi (Maori funeral) without testing and a couple have did a runner. And it just keeps on coming.

The only people we were trusting were the people paid to protect our borders and they have let us down. But at least we get to be kind to them, no need for that idea of responsibility. That is so last century. Kindness is what we do now. Those that were following the rules in an effort to compassionate leave, no kindness for them. They get to be the fall guy for a patheticly organised and run government.

As I said early, you seem to be okay with this. Responsibility, nah, you are happy to dodge and let others take the shit for your actions. Yet you think I have a problem. Call stays the same, you are a wanker.

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57 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said:

Your NZ virus quarantine system works with the exception of trying to take a shortcut by giving "exemptions" that defy the principal of the process.  Way too much trust in hoping people will do the right thing or assuming they know better than the science dictates.  It should never have happen, but it has been corrected.  

You sure sound like a pleasant fellow...  Imagine how bitter you would be if you lived in a country that has real cockup in charge ...

Oh dear Alkie, it gets better. A person that arrived on the 13th was tested positive yesterday, the 18th. They are now tracking down the other three on the same flight that were released on compassionate grounds without being tested.

Still not the governments fault eh Alkie. Those bloody arseholes complying with officials to get to see a dying parent, must be their fault. Can't have a tax paid employee having to be responsible.

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9 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

COVID in NZ will take a step back today with the news of a shooting in Auckland with one Police Officer dead and another fighting for life.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-19/two-nz-police-officers-injured-in-massey-auckland-shooting/12372772

 

 

Sad shit. Seems to be getting  more and more common in our country. Not much I agree with in China, but their warning shot to the back of the head would work well in this case.

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1 hour ago, Gissie said:

Sad shit. Seems to be getting  more and more common in our country. Not much I agree with in China, but their warning shot to the back of the head would work well in this case.

Is this Salty Seacock?

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1 hour ago, Gissie said:

Sad shit. Seems to be getting  more and more common in our country. Not much I agree with in China, but their warning shot to the back of the head would work well in this case.

Now, now, Gissie. We have to be especially kind to the crims as well, remember. Better yet, if we decriminalise their actions, the problem goes away by itself, right?

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22 minutes ago, pusslicker said:

Is this Salty Seacock?

You could tell the difference if I gave you a like at my dick as you know Salty's so well.

I guess you think the shooter should be given a cuddle and a couple of bucks to help him out.

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16 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Now, now, Gissie. We have to be especially kind to the crims as well, remember. Better yet, if we decriminalise their actions, the problem goes away by itself, right?

As someone said the other day. Most of us are kind to various degrees and don't need to be reminded. Those that aren't don't take any notice of such crap. Please be kind Mr Shooter. Yeah that would go down like a cup of cold sick.

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arm the police

people shoot back

anyone that didn't or hasn't made that connection is living on planet dream

the auckland cops have been running around for 3 months fully armed and dressed for battle

the order to end that came to late .. the attitude it leaves stays for awhile

in this sad case ..  to long

hopefully attitudes settle back to 3 months ago and this is not used as an excuse to escalate the arming once more

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4 hours ago, Gissie said:

Sad shit. Seems to be getting  more and more common in our country. Not much I agree with in China, but their warning shot to the back of the head would work well in this case.

"More and more common" as in the last time a police officer was shot and killed in the line of duty in NZ was over a decade ago?

Shucks... imagine when @The_Alchemist hears of that Kiwi stat and tells you the score from his home turf...

Granted, couldn't have happened at a worse time considering the recent ruling on increasing weapons... 

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18 minutes ago, rh3000 said:

"More and more common" as in the last time a police officer was shot and killed in the line of duty in NZ was over a decade ago?

Shucks... imagine when @The_Alchemist hears of that Kiwi stat and tells you the score from his home turf...

Granted, couldn't have happened at a worse time considering the recent ruling on increasing weapons... 

Apologies for not being clearer. By more and more I was referring to the number of armed incidents. Both in robberies etc and when police are directly involved.

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10 hours ago, Sailbydate said:

Say what?

 

On 6/18/2020 at 1:05 PM, Sailbydate said:

I'd not be surprised if some of the Cup team members would have liked to stay on before this latest fuck up. Since then, not so much.

I say you are spouting nonsense.

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Here's a very sobering and tragic COVID-19 story.

 

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16 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

Here's a very sobering and tragic COVID-19 story.

 

Awful. Heartwrenching. 

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20 hours ago, Gissie said:

You could tell the difference if I gave you a like at my dick as you know Salty's so well.

I guess you think the shooter should be given a cuddle and a couple of bucks to help him out.

Ahh, It is you. Missed you, although I guess you were never gone.

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