B.J. Porter

Fine People on Both Sides II - Getting Stupid for "Freedom"

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Just now, Saorsa said:

Was the purpose of whatever you were talking about to promote national socialism or did the Nazi's show up as hangers on?

Gee, you're right.  It wasn't organized by nazis, and it wasn't a protest to promote nazism.

It was organized by an antisemitic white nationalist.  To protest the removal of a monument that honoring a white supremacist rebellion.

How could someone mix up those two things?

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23 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

So, the Nazis should be condemned but those that stood with them, agreed with them and marched under their permit were Trump's "good people"?

Trump believes some of them who agreed that confederate monuments should not be removed were fine people.

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There are assholes who advocate a return to the values of the confederacy and value the monuments for that reason. There is also a legitimate argument for preserving monuments that remind us times when society was off the tracks. Like it or not it's part of our history.

Not long ago I visited Zeppelin field site of the famous Nuremberg rallies. It was once but is no longer a monument to Nazism.

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7 minutes ago, Dog said:

There are assholes who advocate a return to the values of the confederacy and value the monuments for that reason. There is also a legitimate argument for preserving monuments that remind us times when society was off the tracks. Like it or not it's part of our history.

Not long ago I visited Zeppelin field site of the famous Nuremberg rallies. It was once but is no longer a monument to Nazism.

Don't trot that crap out again - those monuments were erected when the blacks started getting too uppity. The equivalent for Germany would be building the Hitler Hall of Fame.

and to lighten the mood - when in school Robert E Lee was voted most likely to secede.

 

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9 hours ago, benwynn said:

The more I read the content of some posters here, the more I understand the points they are making.  The more I read of yours, the more I believe that you really don't seem to have a fucking clue.

 

4 hours ago, Dog said:

So what?

 

Exactly.

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45 minutes ago, Dog said:

There are assholes who advocate a return to the values of the confederacy and value the monuments for that reason. There is also a legitimate argument for preserving monuments that remind us times when society was off the tracks. Like it or not it's part of our history.

@Dogs Motte and bailey defense of white supremacy in action. Those monuments were put up to oppress, not remember.

I had relatives fight for the CSA, fuck pieces of shit like you wrapping your racism around them

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9 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

@Dogs Motte and bailey defense of white supremacy in action. Those monuments were put up to oppress, not remember.

I had relatives fight for the CSA, fuck pieces of shit like you wrapping your racism around them

Zepplin Field no longer serves it's original purpose either.

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21 minutes ago, Dog said:

Zepplin Field no longer serves it's original purpose either.

Well, it did when you visited.

you want to bullshit about monuments to southern racism, I’ll call you racist trash. You’ll wallow in performative victimhood, because that’s who you are - a sad fucking snowflake.

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2 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

A lot is wrong with them.

Apparently this assclown had an enormous Trump flag in front of the house (or maybe on his boat?), and the HOA made him take it down.

So he did this instead.

 

I realize that B.O.A.T. stands for "break out another thousand", but simply blowing money to support a man who couldn't give a shit about you?  Time to call the guys in the white coats.

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2 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

A lot is wrong with them.

Apparently this assclown had an enormous Trump flag in front of the house (or maybe on his boat?), and the HOA made him take it down.

So he did this instead.

 

Demonstrates once again that having money does not necessarily equate to having taste, style, class, etc.

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2 hours ago, Ease the sheet. said:

So, the Nazis should be condemned but those that stood with them, agreed with them and marched under their permit were Trump's "good people"?

It makes me wonder how many of them were Nicki Minaj Fans?

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11 hours ago, astro said:

I looked at both the links in you post and neither of them add any value about the B.

I would like to believe it, but nothing there convinces me that the maker didn't use that shaped B to deal with the curve it was placed on, or that he used trendy convention at the time.  Have you seen any first hand reports?

Nope. I guess it's just a coincidence that an American Nazi protester is using the same German wording over an infamous location.

 

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9 hours ago, Dog said:

Trump believes some of them who agreed that confederate monuments should not be removed were fine people.

Did he think one of those fine people rammed a car into a crowd of people? 

For what reason does anyone bother to draw moral equivalence between Nazis and those who protest them? 

 

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8 hours ago, Dog said:

Zepplin Field no longer serves it's original purpose either.

Maybe Auschwitz should reopen the crematoriums to help with the covid 19 backlog?

 

 

7 hours ago, Venom said:

It makes me wonder how many of them were Nicki Minaj Fans?

Well, there were some good people, apparently.

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14 minutes ago, Mark K said:

Did he think one of those fine people rammed a car into a crowd of people? 

For what reason does anyone bother to draw moral equivalence between Nazis and those who protest them? 

 

Like you don't already know....

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10 hours ago, frenchie said:

Gee, you're right.  It wasn't organized by nazis, and it wasn't a protest to promote nazism.

It was organized by an antisemitic white nationalist.  To protest the removal of a monument that honoring a white supremacist rebellion.

How could someone mix up those two things?

Simple - by being a dumbfuck Trump apologist.

Alternatively, a substandard IQ will do, although there is a lot of overlap between those two qualifications.

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9 hours ago, d'ranger said:
10 hours ago, Dog said:

There are assholes who advocate a return to the values of the confederacy and value the monuments for that reason. There is also a legitimate argument for preserving monuments that remind us times when society was off the tracks. Like it or not it's part of our history.

Not long ago I visited Zeppelin field site of the famous Nuremberg rallies. It was once but is no longer a monument to Nazism.

 

So you'd support some Trump monuments scattered around the country?

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32 minutes ago, Mark K said:

Did he think one of those fine people rammed a car into a crowd of people? 

For what reason does anyone bother to draw moral equivalence between Nazis and those who protest them? 

 

Doesn't sound like it..."I just met with FBI director Christopher Wray and Attorney General Jeff Sessions. The Department of Justice has opened a civil-rights investigation into the deadly car attack that killed one innocent American and wounded 20 others. To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend’s racist violence, you will be held accountable. Justice will be delivered. As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of bigotry, hatred, and violence. It has no place in America". Donald Trump

 

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6 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

So you'd support some Trump monuments scattered around the country?

How about just one big one in NJ where the Hindenburg burned and crashed?  It was also full of hot air.

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1 minute ago, Dog said:

To your first question, it doesn't sound like it..."I just met with FBI director Christopher Wray and Attorney General Jeff Sessions. The Department of Justice has opened a civil-rights investigation into the deadly car attack that killed one innocent American and wounded 20 others. To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend’s racist violence, you will be held accountable. Justice will be delivered. As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of bigotry, hatred, and violence. It has no place in America". Donald Trump

 

So why did he start off with that good people on both sides stuff? He had to know they were out there chanting anti-semetic stuff to support RE Lee. Is this one of those things like finding one guard at Auschwitz who helped an old lady across the street once? "Good people on both sides!" 

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7 minutes ago, Dog said:
37 minutes ago, Mark K said:

For what reason does anyone bother to draw moral equivalence between Nazis and those who protest them? 

 

Doesn't sound like it..."I just met with FBI director Christopher Wray and Attorney General Jeff Sessions. The Department of Justice has opened a civil-rights investigation into the deadly car attack that killed one innocent American and wounded 20 others. To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend’s racist violence, you will be held accountable. Justice will be delivered. As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of bigotry, hatred, and violence. It has no place in America". Donald Trump

 

Do you think President Trump made that up, himself? He did a good job reading it, although I recall he looked like a schoolboy doing an unpleasant assignment. It's not certain he understood what he was saying, but he actually read out the words correctly like a big boy.

After repeating his extemporaneous comments praising Nazis and KKKers many times.

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So he condemned the perpetrators of the murder, of that criminal act?

That's very specific.

11 minutes ago, Dog said:

Doesn't sound like it..."I just met with FBI director Christopher Wray and Attorney General Jeff Sessions. The Department of Justice has opened a civil-rights investigation into the deadly car attack that killed one innocent American and wounded 20 others. To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend’s racist violence, you will be held accountable. Justice will be delivered. As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of bigotry, hatred, and violence. It has no place in America". Donald Trump

 

 

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More "fine people" in Michigan.................

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/police-probe-killing-store-security-guard-virus-mask-70492980

A woman, her husband and adult son have been charged with murder in the fatal shooting of a security guard who refused to let her daughter enter a Family Dollar store in Michigan without a face mask

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1 hour ago, Dog said:

Doesn't sound like it..."I just met with FBI director Christopher Wray and Attorney General Jeff Sessions. The Department of Justice has opened a civil-rights investigation into the deadly car attack that killed one innocent American and wounded 20 others. To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend’s racist violence, you will be held accountable. Justice will be delivered. As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of bigotry, hatred, and violence. It has no place in America". Donald Trump

 

Donald Trump is incapable of articulating that thought let alone mean it. He read that offa prepared script.  
 

This is how Donald Trump really thinks and talks.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-sentence/

 

 

 

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But the voters do not care, as long as they can keep their guns and more babies are born to self more shit to.

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12 hours ago, Dog said:

There is also a legitimate argument for preserving monuments that remind us times when society was off the tracks. Like it or not it's part of our history.

And you reckon some of them were there, that day?  Standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the assholes?  Stuck around, even after the swastikas came out?

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2 hours ago, Mark K said:

So why did he start off with that good people on both sides stuff? He had to know they were out there chanting anti-semetic stuff to support RE Lee. Is this one of those things like finding one guard at Auschwitz who helped an old lady across the street once? "Good people on both sides!" 

He was @Dog whistling. Gotta keep the minoritys disciplined to keep dog defending.

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29 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

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He’s blind as a bat.  Got as much empathy as one as well.

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1 hour ago, Fakenews said:

He’s blind as a bat.  Got as much empathy as one as well.

A dead CoVid bat at that. Too bad they don't have a cure for either CoVid or Trumpism at this point.

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14 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

A dead CoVid bat at that. Too bad they don't have a cure for either CoVid or Trumpism at this point.

Nov.3 is the Trump for the Cure vote. Hopefully the Covid vaccine will arrive by the time Trump is sent packing in January.

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On 5/2/2020 at 2:53 PM, B.J. Porter said:

 

My wife’s office was 3 blocks from the bomb the Nazis planted in Spokane.  She was also talking to a paralegal across the street from while the Oklahoma City bomb went off.   The thing that bugs me about the Auschwitz (and displayed at many other work/death camps for that matter) words carried by the blonde is that it was a work camp AND a death camp.  A slave camp, by any other reckoning, which makes the reference more bloody, more brutal. She’s not just showing the world her bloodlust for killing, she is also showing her admiration of the Barbados slave lords who came to America and worked slaves to death because they were cheaper to replace than keeping them healthy enough to work. Just like the Nazis did in their work camps. The hate is doubled in her.  The sins she adores make her dead inside.  And somehow, she thinks it’s important we know the hate in her brain.  She got her wish.  I wonder if she’s in hiding, reveling in her fame.  All those likes!

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On 5/3/2020 at 3:43 AM, astro said:

I don't need a cite.  It is well known that most of those racist cunts are stupid, so they go out and march.  Those with half a brain are too gutless.  Hiding under the stairwell.

I dont worry too much about the ones hiding under stairways.  I agree with you on one thing - the ones out in the open are sTupid cunts - such as Louis Farrakhan, IIhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib.


 

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3 hours ago, Amati said:

My wife’s office was 3 blocks from the bomb the Nazis planted in Spokane.  She was also talking to a paralegal across the street from while the Oklahoma City bomb went off.   The thing that bugs me about the Auschwitz (and displayed at many other work/death camps for that matter) words carried by the blonde is that it was a work camp AND a death camp.  A slave camp, by any other reckoning, which makes the reference more bloody, more brutal. She’s not just showing the world her bloodlust for killing, she is also showing her admiration of the Barbados slave lords who came to America and worked slaves to death because they were cheaper to replace than keeping them healthy enough to work. Just like the Nazis did in their work camps. The hate is doubled in her.  The sins she adores make her dead inside.  And somehow, she thinks it’s important we know the hate in her brain.  She got her wish.  I wonder if she’s in hiding, reveling in her fame.  All those likes!

Pretty sure she was using it in reference to the Mich Governors actions.  

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2 minutes ago, Rok Dog said:

I dont worry too much about the ones hiding under stairways.  I agree with you on one thing - the ones out in the open are sTupid cunts - such as Louis Farrakhan, IIhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib.


 

I googled you and got this.

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24 minutes ago, astro said:

I googled you and got this.

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Ha ha...“googled”... are you 80 years old?

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8 minutes ago, Rok Dog said:

Ha ha...“googled”... are you 80 years old?

This one came up in the same search.  Fuck mate, get a grip!

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1 minute ago, astro said:

This one came up in the same search.  Fuck mate, get a grip!

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Christ that’s been around forever.   You really are an old fuck.

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18 hours ago, Jules said:

I realize that B.O.A.T. stands for "break out another thousand", but simply blowing money to support a man who couldn't give a shit about you?  Time to call the guys in the white coats.

Nor woman.

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11 hours ago, Mark K said:

So why did he start off with that good people on both sides stuff? He had to know they were out there chanting anti-semetic stuff to support RE Lee. Is this one of those things like finding one guard at Auschwitz who helped an old lady across the street once? "Good people on both sides!" 

Because some people have been led to believe that Trump's fine people on both side comment referred to Nazis and white supremacists when he in fact he had specifically condemned them.

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Just now, Dog said:

Because some people have been led to believe that Trump's fine people on both side comment referred to Nazis and white supremacists when he in fact he had specifically condemned them.

No he was excusing the Nazis.

You have got that wrong.  Trump likes Nazis.

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11 hours ago, Dog said:

Doesn't sound like it..."I just met with FBI director Christopher Wray and Attorney General Jeff Sessions. The Department of Justice has opened a civil-rights investigation into the deadly car attack that killed one innocent American and wounded 20 others. To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend’s racist violence, you will be held accountable. Justice will be delivered. As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of bigotry, hatred, and violence. It has no place in America". Donald Trump

 

 

11 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Do you think President Trump made that up, himself? He did a good job reading it, although I recall he looked like a schoolboy doing an unpleasant assignment. It's not certain he understood what he was saying, but he actually read out the words correctly like a big boy.

After repeating his extemporaneous comments praising Nazis and KKKers many times.

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No, he didn't write it, it's far to articulate but he chose to deliver it and in doing so he endorsed it.

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14 minutes ago, Dog said:

Because some people have been led to believe that Trump's fine people on both side comment referred to Nazis and white supremacists when he in fact he had specifically condemned them.

LIE!

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2 minutes ago, Dog said:

 

No, he didn't write it, it's far to articulate but he chose to deliver it and in doing so he endorsed it.

LIE!

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17 minutes ago, Dog said:

Because some people have been led to believe that Trump's fine people on both side comment referred to Nazis and white supremacists when he in fact he had specifically condemned them.

Two separate statements by Trump, he's praised the KKK and Nazis more than once, in his own words, while he only condemned them that one time in a speech somebody else wrote for him and made him read.

Coming next... Trump never said whatever it was he said about injecting bleach!

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9 hours ago, frenchie said:

And you reckon some of them were there, that day?  Standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the assholes?  Stuck around, even after the swastikas came out?

Trump apparently believed it..."You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name".

Here what I'm not getting Frenchie, To believe that Trump thinks there were fine people among the Nazi and white supremacists you rely on what he said yet at the same time you have to reject it when he said...“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

How do you reconcile both relying on and rejecting his words?

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3 hours ago, Rok Dog said:

Pretty sure she was using it in reference to the Mich Governors actions.  

‘Pretty sure’?  Do you know her?  

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11 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Two separate statements by Trump, he's praised the KKK and Nazis more than once, in his own words, while he only condemned them that one time in a speech somebody else wrote for him and made him read.

Coming next... Trump never said whatever it was he said about injecting bleach!

- DSK

What did he say about injecting bleach? and please, when you quote him, actually quote him.

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I’ve got to agree with some of what Dog is braying. Trump gives himself enough cover when speaking, largely due to his word salad delivery, that you can find exculpatory statements amidst the damning near-racist tropes. 

Whats in his heart is clear, given his decades-long antipathy to black people as documented by his attitude towards his renters, the jogger killed in Central Park and the boys who didn’t touch her, the Detestable Birther bullshit, and his Muslim slurs from 9/11 and immigration comments, shithole countries.

But his public statements have aspects which facilitate the denialism at which Dog excels. Sort of like the boilerplate fine print on credit card “agreements” and rapid delivery disclaimers at the end of gauzy medication ads. 

Talk long enough, and he could be anywhere & everywhere on an issue, although we all know what he means. @Dog has meager, but adequate grounds to defend his draft dodging hero.

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31 minutes ago, Dog said:

What did he say about injecting bleach? and please, when you quote him, actually quote him.

Here ya go mate. That's if disinfectant is close enough to bleach for you. Go to 0.35 for the quote

 

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39 minutes ago, Dog said:

Trump apparently believed it..."You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name".

Here what I'm not getting Frenchie, To believe that Trump thinks there were fine people among the Nazi and white supremacists you rely on what he said yet at the same time you have to reject it when he said...“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

How do you reconcile both relying on and rejecting his words?

How do you tell the difference between Nazis, white supremacists and their supporters?

What did Trump rely on to make this distinction?

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8 minutes ago, shaggybaxter said:

Here ya go mate. That's if disinfectant is close enough to bleach for you. Go to 0.35 for the quote

 

That’s Dog’s wiggle room as phillysailor alluded to.   He said disinfectant not bleach.    Dog will hang his hat on that all day long.

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2 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

That’s Dog’s wiggle room as phillysailor alluded to.   He said disinfectant not bleach.    Dog will hang his hat on that all day long.

Yep. Pity bleach is a disinfectant

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41 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

I’ve got to agree with some of what Dog is braying. Trump gives himself enough cover when speaking, largely due to his word salad delivery, that you can find exculpatory statements amidst the damning near-racist tropes. 

Whats in his heart is clear, given his decades-long antipathy to black people as documented by his attitude towards his renters, the jogger killed in Central Park and the boys who didn’t touch her, the Detestable Birther bullshit, and his Muslim slurs from 9/11 and immigration comments, shithole countries.

But his public statements have aspects which facilitate the denialism at which Dog excels. Sort of like the boilerplate fine print on credit card “agreements” and rapid delivery disclaimers at the end of gauzy medication ads. 

Talk long enough, and he could be anywhere & everywhere on an issue, although we all know what he means. @Dog has meager, but adequate grounds to defend his draft dodging hero.

I don't refute that the man is an asshole but as to denialism, wrt this subject how does one disregard a statement as unambiguous as …

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

There seems a distinct lack of “aspects that facilitate denialism” in that statement and yet it is.


 

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49 minutes ago, Ease the sheet. said:

How do you tell the difference between Nazis, white supremacists and their supporters?

What did Trump rely on to make this distinction?

The distinction he made was between Nazis, white nationalists and people who wanted to preserve confederate monuments.

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1 hour ago, Dog said:

The distinction he made was between Nazis, white nationalists and people who wanted to preserve confederate monuments.

So, who were the people there in the Third group? Who are these good, totally not racist, people?

you’re going to go for exhausting everyone here, aren’t ya? Because you get off on totally not defending racist trash, becaus you are totally not racist. I mean, you watch your boy Tucker say totally not racist things regularly. And you totally didn’t bullshit over the caravan. And your totally not racist bullshitting about China is totally not racist “because I know a chinaman”

god, another day watching you degrade yourself. Gonna be beautiful

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52 minutes ago, Dog said:

The distinction he made was between Nazis, white nationalists and people who wanted to preserve confederate monuments.

We communicate far more than just the literal meaning of our words.

Trump flat out lies but also throws bones to the dogs that vote for him. Its easy to know what he has had to read out and what he actually says. 

He is a vile troll and your president because you and those like you defend and support him.

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47 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

We communicate far more than just the literal meaning of our words.

Trump flat out lies but also throws bones to the dogs that vote for him. Its easy to know what he has had to read out and what he actually says. 

He is a vile troll and your president because you and those like you defend and support him.

True, but what some are doing here is disregarding words entirely.

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1 hour ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

So, who were the people there in the Third group? Who are these good, totally not racist, people?

you’re going to go for exhausting everyone here, aren’t ya? Because you get off on totally not defending racist trash, becaus you are totally not racist. I mean, you watch your boy Tucker say totally not racist things regularly. And you totally didn’t bullshit over the caravan. And your totally not racist bullshitting about China is totally not racist “because I know a chinaman”

god, another day watching you degrade yourself. Gonna be beautiful

It's his job. He's very good at it. When the ball keeps bouncing, Dog earns his keep.

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5 hours ago, Dog said:

Because some people have been led to believe that Trump's fine people on both side comment referred to Nazis and white supremacists when he in fact he had specifically condemned them.

"...had..."? Are we pretending he issued that statement before he said there are good people on both sides now?   

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1 hour ago, Mark K said:

"...had..."? Are we pretending he issued that statement before he said there are good people on both sides now?   

No...He clarified that was not talking about Nazis and white supremacists 50 seconds later.

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51 minutes ago, Dog said:

No...He clarified that was not talking about Nazis and white supremacists 50 seconds later.

Trump says he is the most bipartisan president ever he also says he likes to troll.

Some will say he was just kidding about the latter some that he was kidding about the former, some will agree he is the bestest bipartisan its just that Ds block him and so he trolls them.

He gives his followers plenty of options to pick and choose what they want and they do. 

Your president has no ethics or morals, mismanagement is rampant, people are dying and all he cares is about himself "his ratings". For this he gets a 90% plus approval from Republicans.

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9 hours ago, Dog said:

Trump apparently believed it..."You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name".

Here what I'm not getting Frenchie, To believe that Trump thinks there were fine people among the Nazi and white supremacists you rely on what he said yet at the same time you have to reject it when he said...“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

How do you reconcile both relying on and rejecting his words?

This shit you're claiming Trump said and believes - didn't he come out with the clarification a couple of days after getting dragged for the "fine people" comment in reference to everyone without the softening language?

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2 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

This shit you're claiming Trump said and believes - didn't he come out with the clarification a couple of days after getting dragged for the "fine people" comment in reference to everyone without the softening language?

Yes, a couple of days after the praised the good people on both sides, he listlessly read something that was put in front of him; then a couple of days after that doubled down on the fine Nazi rhetoric again.

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9 minutes ago, Ishmael said:
13 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

This shit you're claiming Trump said and believes - didn't he come out with the clarification a couple of days after getting dragged for the "fine people" comment in reference to everyone without the softening language?

Yes, a couple of days after the praised the good people on both sides, he listlessly read something that was put in front of him; then a couple of days after that doubled down on the fine Nazi rhetoric again.

I thought I was old enough to remember it right.

So Dog is expecting is to discount the things Trump said off the cuff, multiple times and pretend they never happened, in favor of the canned statement?

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43 minutes ago, Ishmael said:
48 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

This shit you're claiming Trump said and believes - didn't he come out with the clarification a couple of days after getting dragged for the "fine people" comment in reference to everyone without the softening language?

Yes, a couple of days after the praised the good people on both sides, he listlessly read something that was put in front of him; then a couple of days after that doubled down on the fine Nazi rhetoric again.

Accurate summation, there... I would say that he seemed, oh maybe disgruntled, when he read the canned statement. But yeah, Trump has made his own beliefs and feelings clear, and the Nazis and KKKers certainly have made theirs.

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8 hours ago, Dog said:

True, but what some are doing here is disregarding words entirely.

No. What some here are doing is looking for the non Nazis.

Actually, did Trump say that apart from the Nazis, were there non Nazis there?

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4 hours ago, Dog said:

No...He clarified that was not talking about Nazis and white supremacists 50 seconds later.

The passage you quoted was made the day after, actually.  After everybody got outraged. 

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17 minutes ago, Mark K said:

The passage you quoted was made the day after, actually.  After everybody got outraged. 

It was about a minute later.  From Olsonist's Link above:

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

 

"Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"

Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."

Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

 

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Many people other than neo Nazis and white supremacists?

 

Must be talking about the ones who disagreed with the Nazis and white supremacists.... 

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13 minutes ago, cmilliken said:

It was about a minute later.  From Olsonist's Link above:

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

 

"Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"

Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."

Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

 

This is the passage from up the thread: 

 ."I just met with FBI director Christopher Wray and Attorney General Jeff Sessions. The Department of Justice has opened a civil-rights investigation into the deadly car attack that killed one innocent American and wounded 20 others. To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend’s racist violence, you will be held accountable. Justice will be delivered. As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of bigotry, hatred, and violence. It has no place in America". Donald Trump

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Mark K said:

This is the passage from up the thread: 

 ."I just met with FBI director Christopher Wray and Attorney General Jeff Sessions. The Department of Justice has opened a civil-rights investigation into the deadly car attack that killed one innocent American and wounded 20 others. To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend’s racist violence, you will be held accountable. Justice will be delivered. As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of bigotry, hatred, and violence. It has no place in America". Donald Trump

 

Ah.. gotcha.

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Wikipedia covers Shitstain's multiple states on Charlottesville:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally#President_Trump's_statements

It started on August 12th with:

we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides

On August 14th he said:

Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the K.K.K., neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

But then on August 15th he went off the rails with:

you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group ... that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

He continued to go off the rails with his Robert E Lee malarkey.

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2 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

Wikipedia covers Shitstain's multiple states on Charlottesville:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally#President_Trump's_statements

It started on August 12th with:

we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides

On August 14th he said:

Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the K.K.K., neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

But then on August 15th he went off the rails with:

you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group ... that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

He continued to go off the rails with his Robert E Lee malarkey.

Ya gotta admire a toilet seat that knows how to focus.

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2 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Ya gotta admire a toilet seat that knows how to focus.

That is what the fleet calls it. I believe the font is Renfrew.

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1 hour ago, cmilliken said:

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

I’m so glad you are giving Trump a pass for his lying.

Who the fuck are the people at Unite the Right unfairly slurred? Which of the groups wasn’t racist sacks of shit? the fuckers like @Dog sitting at home as keyboard commandos?

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On 5/3/2020 at 2:23 AM, frenchie said:

 

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There were people in that rally -- and I looked the night before -- if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee

 

Chanting "you shall not replace us" with torches is "protesting very quiety"?  Uh-huh...

13 hours ago, Dog said:

Trump apparently believed it..."You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name".

Here what I'm not getting Frenchie, To believe that Trump thinks there were fine people among the Nazi and white supremacists you rely on what he said yet at the same time you have to reject it when he said...“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

How do you reconcile both relying on and rejecting his words?

By not pretending to be dumber than I actually am? 

In a situation where any actually "fine" people would have left  -  or, fuck that, would not have gone in the first fucking place, since the rally was openly sponsored by white supremacists*  -  he wants you to pretend that some were there, so he can assign blame to both sides. 

The white supremacists like him, vote for him, some of them wore maga hats to the rally.  They support his build-the-wall rhetoric, you could even argue that his whole "anti-illegal-immigration" (which, in practise, is often revealed to be just anti-immigration) stance was designed to appeal to those folks.  He knows they're part of his base, and he doesn't want to alienate them. 

He also knows the anti-white-supremacist hate him, voted against him, oppose his agenda. He's not gonna take their side, against part of his base.  That would require integrity and morals: both of which are completely foreign to him.  

 

 

 

* google those names:

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On 5/4/2020 at 4:56 PM, d'ranger said:

How about just one big one in NJ where the Hindenburg burned and crashed?  It was also full of hot air.

Near the biggest sewage treatment facility in the USA would be better - they're both full of shit.

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8 hours ago, frenchie said:

By not pretending to be dumber than I actually am? 

In a situation where any actually "fine" people would have left  -  or, fuck that, would not have gone in the first fucking place, since the rally was openly sponsored by white supremacists*  -  he wants you to pretend that some were there, so he can assign blame to both sides.

I do have a collateral question.  How do you square Trump's support of white nationalists / anti-Zionists with his aggressive support of Israel and Jewish expansion?  I don't see how he can be both a wannabe Nazi and a Zionist.

My conclusion is that Trump isn't an ideolog at all - he doesn't really give a shit about people or their positions, as long as they vote for him.  His relationships are all transactional.  He doesn't support anything beyond his own re-election.  But I know there's a lot of people that want to ascribe motive to HIM, PERSONALLY, as if it's some driving internal vision.  I can't see how you can hold both visions simultaneously, therefore he doesn't.  He's lying about one or both.

I also know this wanders into dogma, because there's people that view this as 'letting him off the hook' because being a Nazi is 'much worse' that being a Con artist.

 

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4 minutes ago, cmilliken said:

I do have a collateral question.  How do you square Trump's support of white nationalists / anti-Zionists with his aggressive support of Israel and Jewish expansion?  I don't see how he can be both a wannabe Nazi and a Zionist.

My conclusion is that Trump isn't an ideolog at all - he doesn't really give a shit about people or their positions, as long as they vote for him.  His relationships are all transactional.  He doesn't support anything beyond his own re-election.  But I know there's a lot of people that want to ascribe motive to HIM, PERSONALLY, as if it's some driving internal vision.  I can't see how you can hold both visions simultaneously, therefore he doesn't.  He's lying about one or both.

 

That's actually a fairly easy one, if you take a long hard look at the religious wingnuts he caters to. I don't think Trump believes this stuff or gives shit #1 about Israel unless they're sending him money. But the evangelicals want to hear the right Israel noises, so he makes them.

Most of the hard core evangelicals are 1) anti-Semitic and 2) supporters of the Israeli state.

Why?

It's not because of any love of the Jewish people or any desire to give them a homeland in recompense for the holocaust.

It's because Israel, and specifically the existence of the state of Israel, is a crucial to the fulfillment of end times prophecies. The state of Israel MUST exist for the stuff described in the book of Revelations and elsewhere in the bible to happen - the tribulations, the rapture, the final battle, the ascension of the elect, the return of Jesus, etc. etc.

No Israel = no imminent End Times.

As long as Israel exists, there's a chance that the late JC will make his comeback and get the Armageddon party rockin'.

I am not making this shit up, I have sat at table with some of these folks and had all this explained to me years and years ago. Some apologetic explainers claim this is not the case, and the reason is because Evangelicals just really, really, really just like the Jews. This smells like bullshit to me. If they liked them that much they'd let them in their clubs without lawsuits.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/14/half-of-evangelicals-support-israel-because-they-believe-it-is-important-for-fulfilling-end-times-prophecy/

https://www.christianpost.com/news/why-do-so-many-evangelicals-so-strongly-support-israel.html

 

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