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We are going to run our sailing program this summer with some operational changes. Highlights bulleted below. Looking to understand how other programs will run, what plans are for enabling some kind of junior racing, and thoughts from this community on how to make summer happen. 

  • -smaller classes with #’s restricted to 8 sailors per class plus 1 or 2 instructor - 
  • limit number of classes to keep distancing - roughly 60% of normal capacity
  • 1 sailor per boat unless siblings (will also explore matched pairs of non-siblings with full season commitments to sail together)
  • moving from all 420s for teen sailors to almost entirely Lasers
  • Staggered start times for the classes so that only 1 class is on floats at any given moment
  • instructors stick with class throughout entire session 
  • everyone involved including sailors and instructors must wear buffs or masks whenever close to each other
  • 6 foot distancing 
  • When sailor and instructors arrive, take temp and log results
  • Sailors scrub hands when they get to program before going to boats
  • After each class instructors apply diluted bleach solution to boats then after 2 min rinse boats
  • if weather is bad, we will likely cancel instead of having lots of sailors in the same limited on-shore space
  • Look for informal day (tow over) races with local clubs and programs

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Sounds like a pretty good plan. Keeping kids apart can be tricky so maybe if you have any inside class time have tape mark on the floors for chairs to keep them apart. Or do class time outside on the docks, a lawn or parking lot when weather permits.

Inside is far more risky than outside so open doors and windows to maximize air changes. Set up a fan or two if needed.

Ask parents to take kids temperatures each day before coming. Ask kids on arrival did parent take your temperature?

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12 hours ago, frostbit said:

We are going to run our sailing program this summer with some operational changes. Highlights bulleted below. Looking to understand how other programs will run, what plans are for enabling some kind of junior racing, and thoughts from this community on how to make summer happen. 

  • -smaller classes with #’s restricted to 8 sailors per class plus 1 or 2 instructor - 
  • limit number of classes to keep distancing - roughly 60% of normal capacity
  • 1 sailor per boat unless siblings (will also explore matched pairs of non-siblings with full season commitments to sail together)
  • moving from all 420s for teen sailors to almost entirely Lasers
  • Staggered start times for the classes so that only 1 class is on floats at any given moment
  • instructors stick with class throughout entire session 
  • everyone involved including sailors and instructors must wear buffs or masks whenever close to each other
  • 6 foot distancing 
  • When sailor and instructors arrive, take temp and log results
  • Sailors scrub hands when they get to program before going to boats
  • After each class instructors apply diluted bleach solution to boats then after 2 min rinse boats
  • if weather is bad, we will likely cancel instead of having lots of sailors in the same limited on-shore space
  • Look for informal day (tow over) races with local clubs and programs

  •  

You should read the "Some people just are not getting it" thread.

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/214031-some-people-aren%E2%80%99t-getting-it/

 

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On 5/31/2020 at 12:04 AM, frostbit said:

We are going to run our sailing program this summer with some operational changes. Highlights bulleted below. Looking to understand how other programs will run, what plans are for enabling some kind of junior racing, and thoughts from this community on how to make summer happen. 

  • -smaller classes with #’s restricted to 8 sailors per class plus 1 or 2 instructor - 
  • limit number of classes to keep distancing - roughly 60% of normal capacity
  • 1 sailor per boat unless siblings (will also explore matched pairs of non-siblings with full season commitments to sail together)
  • moving from all 420s for teen sailors to almost entirely Lasers
  • Staggered start times for the classes so that only 1 class is on floats at any given moment
  • instructors stick with class throughout entire session 
  • everyone involved including sailors and instructors must wear buffs or masks whenever close to each other
  • 6 foot distancing 
  • When sailor and instructors arrive, take temp and log results
  • Sailors scrub hands when they get to program before going to boats
  • After each class instructors apply diluted bleach solution to boats then after 2 min rinse boats
  • if weather is bad, we will likely cancel instead of having lots of sailors in the same limited on-shore space
  • Look for informal day (tow over) races with local clubs and programs

  •  

Plans for the ablutions?

Plans for the parents who'll want to hang around and chat?

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What happens after 20 minutes the kids going back to doing what kids do and abandoning the procedures?  You will need a small army to police them and keep them following guidelines.

What is your acceptable infection rate for the kids and their families? Have you asked their parents what their acceptable infection rate would be for the children?
 


 

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The on-water stuff is the least risky, and easiest to mitigate, part of the proposal from an infectious disease perspective.

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17 hours ago, Ncik said:

Plans for the ablutions?

Plans for the parents who'll want to hang around and chat?

ablutions we have covered. Hadn't considered the parents hanging and chatting. Great point. Will adjust a practice to keep it to voice calls or zoom meetings with director after sailing. 

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16 hours ago, woodpecker said:

What happens after 20 minutes the kids going back to doing what kids do and abandoning the procedures?  You will need a small army to police them and keep them following guidelines.

What is your acceptable infection rate for the kids and their families? Have you asked their parents what their acceptable infection rate would be for the children?
 


 

These are very close to the questions we are asking ourselves. We are not doing with bravado or blindly. We are trying to sort our way through offering a program that will keep kids and families safe while still allowing a venue for getting outside and living. 

The kids we think we can control. IT's only 8 kids in a class and for the younger ones we will have a 4 kids per instructor ratio. Kids who can't follow the rules won't be able to sail. 

Your question on infection rate is more complicated than it seems. We don't want in any way shape or form to be the vector for transmission to any kid, instructor, or any of their families. It's impossible to achieve 0% likelihood of transmission, but you can get to vanishingly small transmission opportunities. Everyone wears a mask. Boats are disinfected. We hold NO classes inside ever. One sailor per boat. 6 feet of separation. etc. Each is a layer that helps to decrease that transmission vector. My friends and family who are in healthcare - some are front-line at major New England hospitals - have weighed in on the plan. Our Board of Health is also deeply involved in reviewing in our planning. 

Very interested in a nuanced fact driven conversation. really looking for honest engagement. 

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23 hours ago, woodpecker said:

What happens after 20 minutes the kids going back to doing what kids do and abandoning the procedures?  You will need a small army to police them and keep them following guidelines.

Supersoakers with bleach. A few infractions and they'll get the message.

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14 hours ago, frostbit said:

...fact driven conversation.

You're trying to beat a very contagious virus that happily kills the old and ill, which we know very little about otherwise, the only prevention of which is to not interact with lots of people.

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6 hours ago, Ncik said:

You're trying to beat a very contagious virus that happily kills the old and ill, which we know very little about otherwise, the only prevention of which is to not interact with lots of people.

What we are trying to do is reduce risk of transmission to extremely unlikely. We are working very tightly with the town's rightfully cautious board of health. 

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On 6/3/2020 at 12:27 AM, frostbit said:

What we are trying to do is reduce risk of transmission to extremely unlikely. We are working very tightly with the town's rightfully cautious board of health. 

Hi Frostbit

I like your approach, but maybe the one input that is missing if you are asking others for comment is the prevalence of the virus in your community. Bear in mind, some of the more negative comments might be from those in high transmission areas.

We are lucky (for the moment) here in that we have very little to none in our local community, but are still adopting essentially the same attempt to be sensible approach as you (for all sailing activities, not just juniors; although its winter here, so activity is reduced anyway).

On the other hand, if we reached a position where the virus was rampant in the community, there would come a point we might ask whether the risk was worth the gain; especially if it was rampant enough there was almost an inevitability someone in the program would get it and probably bring it along to class.

Just out of interest (so a real question, not a challenge), what are parents using to take the temperature and how accurate do you think the method is?

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A friend is in the administration at a university

they are trying to figure out whether to have students on campus and what to do in the dorms.

they have a list of (potential) rules to be followed by students in the dorms...

my opinion: either open.., or don't.., whatever .., but forget about the rules.., people say, 18-22 are not going to follow any "distancing" rules in the dorms.

i don't see Jr. sailing being much more successful in enforcing distancing rules

if you feel you need to have rules in place for appearance sake.., then fine - have them.

If you think the rules are really important, and that a situation in which they are not followed closely would be a big problem..,  then probably better to not run the program in the first place.

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Frostbit ... good on you for thinking about things so carefully.  As Rambler has noted, we are fortunate here in AUS not to have the widespread community transmission risk we are seeing overseas, though Victoria is having a moment right now. At our sailing club, which is predominantly a junior and youth program, this is the announcement the Committee made on 4 June, which you may find of some assistance in framing your program.  As others have mentioned above, the big issue is folks hanging around - which is frustrating as we have spent years cultivating a "get in and help" mentality, and we've had to push that back a little now!! Anyway, here is what we said...

Dear Members

What an incredible period we have all been experiencing. With continued good fortune, discipline and calm heads, a return to a more normal way of life beckons in coming months. We are already able to enjoy many activities, albeit often on a limited scale. Sailing is no exception, and your Sailing and Management Committees have been working hard on preparing the necessary documentation, processes and procedures required to safely begin limited operations. We are also investing in new signage, sanitising equipment and area management devices to protect the membership and community as these activities recommence.

HHSC has prepared a Covid-Safe Environment Return to Sailing Plan. Our plan has been guided by Australian Sailing and reflects current NSW Public Health Orders. As restrictions are changed HHSC will communicate these changes and their impact to our members. HHSC is part of the local community and the broader sailing community.  It is up to all of us to play our part.  The plan we have put in place managing our members' health and their families in a way our community would responsibly expect. We will be uploading our Plan and appendices to the Club website in coming days, though this email serves as notification to all as to the essential elements of returning to sailing activities.

At present there are no racing, learn to sail classes or holiday camps scheduled for the Club.  HHSC is operating purely in a training capacity, with members also able to freesail within the constraints of the Return to Sailing Plan.  Our Sailing sessions are arranged into PODS of a maximum of 10 participants, which is limited by the NSW Public Health Order.  Limited flexibility may be granted subject to availability for free sailing activity.  The rigging area of the club is clearly segregated from parents and the general public. All POD sessions are managed by coaches and supervised by parent volunteer coordinators.  All activities, facilities and equipment usage have been considered with regard to Hygiene, Physical distancing, Incident management, review and monitoring.

There are certain safety precautions we all need to follow - and no doubt we want to follow for everyone's safety. PLEASE HAVE YOUR SAILOR READ &/OR COMPLETE THESE INSTRUCTIONS!

  • Get in, sail, get out, go home. Arrive and leave dressed to sail or get changed in the car. This is super critical - we simply cannot be "hanging around" when we come down to the Club!

  • Do not participate in an activity if your household may have been exposed to COVID-19 or someone in your household is sick.

  • Notify the Commodore if a sailor or a family member is diagnosed with COVID-19.

  • Parents, unless you are involved in organising an activity, please stay off the rigging area at drop-off/pick-up

  • Limit of 10 sailors in the designated HHSC rigging area;

  • Everyone must maintain proper distancing. You know what to do - 1.5m apart and do not gather in groups around the club. Sailing is to be non-contact.

  • Hygiene is vital. Use the HHSC hand sanitising stations on arrival, after rigging, on departure for Sailors, volunteers and coaches. There is to be absolutely no sharing of drinks, food, clothing or equipment.

  • Club premises are limited access to 4 members at a time unless otherwise directed by duty officer. Change rooms and canteen are closed. Toilet facility access is limited to members on weekends from 13 June;

  • Only bring essential equipment to the Club and store it neatly and away from other participants in the cage - don't bring that huge bag of stuff down please! ;

  • If a person does not adhere to these rules or obey reasonable safety directions by an activity leader they will be asked to leave the activity

  • Members to respect any directions from the Duty Officer who will coordinate shore operations;

  • We encourage the use of the COVIDSafe App around HHSC

  • Observe communications from your class secretary in relation to your POD training.  Arrive and depart on time. RSVP as required to your class secretary.  

  • Any training outside the class POD schedule must be approved by your Class Secretary to avoid overcrowding in the rigging area.

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20 hours ago, Rambler said:

Hi Frostbit

I like your approach, but maybe the one input that is missing if you are asking others for comment is the prevalence of the virus in your community. Bear in mind, some of the more negative comments might be from those in high transmission areas.

We are lucky (for the moment) here in that we have very little to none in our local community, but are still adopting essentially the same attempt to be sensible approach as you (for all sailing activities, not just juniors; although its winter here, so activity is reduced anyway).

On the other hand, if we reached a position where the virus was rampant in the community, there would come a point we might ask whether the risk was worth the gain; especially if it was rampant enough there was almost an inevitability someone in the program would get it and probably bring it along to class.

Just out of interest (so a real question, not a challenge), what are parents using to take the temperature and how accurate do you think the method is?

Thanks Rambler. We are taking temps of every sailor when he/she is dropped off. We are using an infrared temp reader that is considered highly accurate by various medical associations. 

Agreed completely on monitoring the density and velocity of transmission in the community. We are ebbing strongly at the moment, but it the tide changes, we will pull back and even stop the program all together. 

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19 hours ago, us7070 said:

A friend is in the administration at a university

they are trying to figure out whether to have students on campus and what to do in the dorms.

they have a list of (potential) rules to be followed by students in the dorms...

my opinion: either open.., or don't.., whatever .., but forget about the rules.., people say, 18-22 are not going to follow any "distancing" rules in the dorms.

i don't see Jr. sailing being much more successful in enforcing distancing rules

if you feel you need to have rules in place for appearance sake.., then fine - have them.

If you think the rules are really important, and that a situation in which they are not followed closely would be a big problem..,  then probably better to not run the program in the first place.

So far, so good on following the rules... mostly. The smaller groups help a lot, as does pre-rigging the boats so that each sailor goes right into a boat as opposed to screwing around on the floats. The situation where not following the rules become problematic is if some parent sends a kid into sailing when they have been exposed outside of the program. That's an issue we are concerned with. Same holds true for instructors. Luckily, we only have each class operating for 3 to 4 hours and don't have to trust them 24/7 on their own in apartments and dorm rooms with college level hormones raging through thousands of unsupervised students. 

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19 hours ago, Stanno said:

Frostbit ... good on you for thinking about things so carefully.  As Rambler has noted, we are fortunate here in AUS not to have the widespread community transmission risk we are seeing overseas, though Victoria is having a moment right now. At our sailing club, which is predominantly a junior and youth program, this is the announcement the Committee made on 4 June, which you may find of some assistance in framing your program.  As others have mentioned above, the big issue is folks hanging around - which is frustrating as we have spent years cultivating a "get in and help" mentality, and we've had to push that back a little now!! Anyway, here is what we said...

Dear Members

What an incredible period we have all been experiencing. With continued good fortune, discipline and calm heads, a return to a more normal way of life beckons in coming months. We are already able to enjoy many activities, albeit often on a limited scale. Sailing is no exception, and your Sailing and Management Committees have been working hard on preparing the necessary documentation, processes and procedures required to safely begin limited operations. We are also investing in new signage, sanitising equipment and area management devices to protect the membership and community as these activities recommence.

HHSC has prepared a Covid-Safe Environment Return to Sailing Plan. Our plan has been guided by Australian Sailing and reflects current NSW Public Health Orders. As restrictions are changed HHSC will communicate these changes and their impact to our members. HHSC is part of the local community and the broader sailing community.  It is up to all of us to play our part.  The plan we have put in place managing our members' health and their families in a way our community would responsibly expect. We will be uploading our Plan and appendices to the Club website in coming days, though this email serves as notification to all as to the essential elements of returning to sailing activities.

At present there are no racing, learn to sail classes or holiday camps scheduled for the Club.  HHSC is operating purely in a training capacity, with members also able to freesail within the constraints of the Return to Sailing Plan.  Our Sailing sessions are arranged into PODS of a maximum of 10 participants, which is limited by the NSW Public Health Order.  Limited flexibility may be granted subject to availability for free sailing activity.  The rigging area of the club is clearly segregated from parents and the general public. All POD sessions are managed by coaches and supervised by parent volunteer coordinators.  All activities, facilities and equipment usage have been considered with regard to Hygiene, Physical distancing, Incident management, review and monitoring.

There are certain safety precautions we all need to follow - and no doubt we want to follow for everyone's safety. PLEASE HAVE YOUR SAILOR READ &/OR COMPLETE THESE INSTRUCTIONS!

  • Get in, sail, get out, go home. Arrive and leave dressed to sail or get changed in the car. This is super critical - we simply cannot be "hanging around" when we come down to the Club!

  • Do not participate in an activity if your household may have been exposed to COVID-19 or someone in your household is sick.

  • Notify the Commodore if a sailor or a family member is diagnosed with COVID-19.

  • Parents, unless you are involved in organising an activity, please stay off the rigging area at drop-off/pick-up

  • Limit of 10 sailors in the designated HHSC rigging area;

  • Everyone must maintain proper distancing. You know what to do - 1.5m apart and do not gather in groups around the club. Sailing is to be non-contact.

  • Hygiene is vital. Use the HHSC hand sanitising stations on arrival, after rigging, on departure for Sailors, volunteers and coaches. There is to be absolutely no sharing of drinks, food, clothing or equipment.

  • Club premises are limited access to 4 members at a time unless otherwise directed by duty officer. Change rooms and canteen are closed. Toilet facility access is limited to members on weekends from 13 June;

  • Only bring essential equipment to the Club and store it neatly and away from other participants in the cage - don't bring that huge bag of stuff down please! ;

  • If a person does not adhere to these rules or obey reasonable safety directions by an activity leader they will be asked to leave the activity

  • Members to respect any directions from the Duty Officer who will coordinate shore operations;

  • We encourage the use of the COVIDSafe App around HHSC

  • Observe communications from your class secretary in relation to your POD training.  Arrive and depart on time. RSVP as required to your class secretary.  

  • Any training outside the class POD schedule must be approved by your Class Secretary to avoid overcrowding in the rigging area.

Thanks. Great info and looks like a solid set of rules. 

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Our junior program is a small fraction of normal and only involves older kids in Lasers and Radials, about eight boats only.

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So, we are 3.5 weeks into our 8 week program. Going well. Lasers have been excellent. We have 8-9 out in morning class and in afternoon racing/advanced class. Usually we are exclusively 420s, but will focus more on Lasers in the future. Two classes of 10 Optis also operating morning and afternoon. So, 28-29 sailors on the water. Staggered start and finish times working well. Kids are following mask rules. Mostly remembering to not be all over each other when on the floats. Parents have been great. First and only regatta of the summer is next week. Will send 8 boats. Total unique sailors this summer will be 135. Many taking more than 1 class, some taking up to 6 (two week sessions). Biggest challenge so far is that this is MUCH harder on instructors. They are exhausted at the end of the week and have much less hanging out time than normal. To adjust, we dropped ancillary programs like weekend sailing and adult sailing. 
 

the short update nobody asked for....

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