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I heard that Antifa plans to start a riot in our town tonight after a day of small peaceful protesting downtown. Those people weren’t practicing social distancing. The plan is to riot and then try to take back property that was taken by white men. Oh boy!

Many businesses boarded up their fronts in preparation...

I hope they quarantine for 2 weeks after tonight. I think that a large number of others are going to be ill. 

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Darwin’s got a fucking busy month coming up. 

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If the cops don’t kill them the Covid will. 

Probably not as many as the cops kill in a year though. 

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The answer to your question is yes. Over 60,000 in Houston at the moment and from the video almost young people and many with no masks so this is a petri dish for COVID.  The question is how do you know this is Antifa? Historically they show up to protest White Supremacists and Fascists and those seem to be in short supply at the protests (although there are reports of them escalating violence to discredit the protesters).  I looked and could not find the Antifa Facebook Page, perhaps you could shed some light on that. 

I would be there but I am old and aware of what the after effects of a large gathering. Glad to see it is peaceful and hope it stays that way.

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I don’t know how the police know, but they started preparing for them early this morning. Organized resistance and protesters have ways to communicate and plan events. I think someone posted online about it. 

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1 hour ago, Sail4beer said:

I don’t know how the police know, but they started preparing for them early this morning. Organized resistance and protesters have ways to communicate and plan events. I think someone posted online about it. 

AntiFa is controlled by an evil pulsating brain in a jar, with glowing lights and wires n'shit. All the AntiFa members can hear the voice of the EPB in their heads, thanks to a special app on their smartphones that only people under 45 can download.

Sort of like the way liberals are all controlled by an Evil Pulsating Brain in a jar with glowing lights etc etc etc but I'm pretty sure it's a different one.

- DSK

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2 hours ago, Sail4beer said:

I don’t know how the police know…

Trump told them.

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At least according to Twitter, an "Antifa" account used to push for rioting actually originated with a white supremacy group and was taken down - Things are not always as they seem.

 

 

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It was also reported on channel 6 last night in Philadelphia. That’s how I heard now that I think about it. 
 

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2 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

I think someone posted online about it.

See, in the old days, we used to say "Oh, I read it in Rolling Stone."

The same retort from then applies now: "Oh, it's gotta be true!"

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3 hours ago, bplipschitz said:

See, in the old days, we used to say "Oh, I read it in Rolling Stone."

The same retort from then applies now: "Oh, it's gotta be true!"

Don't knock the Stone....they released a lot of stuff MSM wouldn't pre internet.

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10 hours ago, Sail4beer said:

I heard that Antifa plans to start a riot in our town tonight after a day of small peaceful protesting downtown. Those people weren’t practicing social distancing. The plan is to riot and then try to take back property that was taken by white men. Oh boy!

Many businesses boarded up their fronts in preparation...

I hope they quarantine for 2 weeks after tonight. I think that a large number of others are going to be ill. 

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Man, some Aboriginal here this morning decided to attack me because of my race and spit in my food. Like just because I am a white man I apparently don't care about other people? Congrats now I care less. WTF is wrong with people?

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I don’t know where you’re situated and what you’ve been seeing - but the marches and protests have a higher density and far more people than the relatively few night time chaos actors out to burn and attack and loot. 
 

but by the tone and wording - I suspect you don’t care. 

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19 hours ago, Sail4beer said:

I heard that Antifa plans to start a riot in our town tonight after a day of small peaceful protesting downtown.

There was the same fear mongering here.  Nothing happened.  Hardly anyone even showed up.

But you gotta wonder how much of this is just intended to sow division and keep Americans angry and afraid of each other. 

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6 minutes ago, Jules said:

There was the same fear mongering here.  Nothing happened.  Hardly anyone even showed up.

But you gotta wonder how much of this is just intended to sow division and keep Americans angry and afraid of each other. 

It is always a tinderbox because of long standing grievances and issues - but four bad cops, one particularly bad PD and one idiotic DA tried to brush a simple police brutality issue under the rug and set a tense public, already crippled by massive job loss and other issues, on fire. 
 

in jurisdictions where the local PD had a non-adversarial relationship and simply matched together- nothing happened at all. 

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On 6/3/2020 at 8:12 AM, d'ranger said:

 The question is how do you know this is Antifa? Historically they show up to protest White Supremacists and Fascists and those seem to be in short supply at the protests (although there are reports of them escalating violence to discredit the protesters).  I looked and could not find the Antifa Facebook Page, perhaps you could shed some light on that. 

I would be there but I am old

Antifa claim to be anti facist they have a slogan punch a Nazi which makes it appealing to a lot of leftists, very few of the people they punch are actually Nazis. Andy Ngo is a gay Vietnamese journalist how does that make him a Nazi  they bashed him for reporting on Antifa he has lots of good stuff about Antifa with this account. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo

They don't have a facebook page they're not that stupid they use encrypted apps these comedians infiltrated them a few years ago gave information to the police discovered they were already under surveillance they were arrested shortly after. Video will give an idea on how they recruit people. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmNz2jGzsDA&feature=emb_title

Andy says Project Veritas has also infiltrated them they will release story shortly.

The fake media claim deleted accounts are white supremacists trying to discredit them, this deleted post was saved makes me wonder why a white supremacist would be concerned with gentrification making some areas unaffordable to people of colour.

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The stores and businesses that had windows broken/and were looted had it coming and Im tired of pretending that they didn’t. These stores contributed to the gentrification of Spokane and have made downtown a place too expensive for POC. #GeorgeFloydprotest #BLM #Spokane

 

Antifa hate the police anything painted abolish police in recent riots was probably Antifa. ACAB = All Cops Are Bastards

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The anti-pig movement in NYC is now all the way live. We have all had enough of these pigs. All out tonight! Let's keep the pushing these swine till they permanently retreat! #ACAB #FuckThePolice

Nice pic of burning police cars- https://twitter.com/TheBaseBK/status/1266780862042996739

The rioter with gas mask who broke windows before being chased away with some claiming he was police was probably Antifa. Antifa like these unbreakable umbrellas helps shield pepper spray and pepper balls. They carry around water bottles with S on the cap which is saline solution it helps with tear gas and pepper sprays. Antifa approved umbrella prefect shield for rioting-https://xstrongumbrella.com/

Clean will probably delete this post he supports Antifa so take a screenshot.

This is what Antifa want I suggest people do some research before backing them otherwise best to say you don't know if that's the truth.

 

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The Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement = Antifa?

They can certainly write better than you.

Drunk already, Mo?

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US Medical Workers Are Signing Up As Police Officers So They Can Get Proper PPE

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Doctors, nurses and other medical staff across America have been joining the police force in part time roles, so they can access proper protective equipment to treat coronavirus patients.

In one hospital in New York, a specialist who was unable to source scrubs joined the local police force and was immediately issued with full body armour.

“Previously I didn’t have a proper face mask when I was treating coronavirus patients, but now I’ve joined the force I’ve got a military-grade helmet and a protective shield,” doctor Elizabeth Falcony said.

Another doctor who has ben unable to source an operating gown for treating patients now has 9×12 ballistic grade front and back plates and side deflector shields. He travels to work in a tank.

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On 6/2/2020 at 5:05 PM, Sail4beer said:

I heard that Antifa plans to start a riot in our town tonight after a day of small peaceful protesting downtown. Those people weren’t practicing social distancing. The plan is to riot and then try to take back property that was taken by white men. Oh boy!

Do you believe everything you hear? I thought you just didn’t like the jews, no its blm too?

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Slow day trolling?

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I should have known that you and your small minded friends who were so upset that the government wasn’t doing “enough” to punish quarantine violators, would be the EXACT same people who are afraid of minorities and want the police to stomp them too.

**though your whole rant about the jews back in April should have been a clue towards your true politics.

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Huh?

 I thought Mr. Clean exonerated me being that he is the resident expert on being Jewish. 
 

Our local protest was peaceful and the police chief and sheriff walked with the protesters. It was a good ending to a bad situation. 
 

Keep up with the race baiting, bitch.

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4 hours ago, Controversial_posts said:

Do you believe everything you hear? I thought you just didn’t like the jews, no its blm too?

Where have you been cupcake? Did you catch the flu?

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19 hours ago, astro said:

US Medical Workers Are Signing Up As Police Officers So They Can Get Proper PPE

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Doctors, nurses and other medical staff across America have been joining the police force in part time roles, so they can access proper protective equipment to treat coronavirus patients.

In one hospital in New York, a specialist who was unable to source scrubs joined the local police force and was immediately issued with full body armour.

“Previously I didn’t have a proper face mask when I was treating coronavirus patients, but now I’ve joined the force I’ve got a military-grade helmet and a protective shield,” doctor Elizabeth Falcony said.

Another doctor who has ben unable to source an operating gown for treating patients now has 9×12 ballistic grade front and back plates and side deflector shields. He travels to work in a tank.

As a bonus, if they think a patient won't make it, he can just pull out his Glock and off the toff.

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After you taze them a few times. 
 

They don’t keep buying police stuff if you don’t use it

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Holy shit...Is Mo for real?  Or is this a caricature?

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On 6/3/2020 at 11:11 PM, Mohammed Bin Lyin said:

 

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There's a few contradictions in there.  I wonder if the originator proof reads?

The hard line of #8 & #10 make #4 untenable

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On 6/2/2020 at 5:00 PM, Steam Flyer said:

AntiFa is controlled by an evil pulsating brain in a jar, with glowing lights and wires n'shit. All the AntiFa members can hear the voice of the EPB in their heads, thanks to a special app on their smartphones that only people under 45 can download.

Sort of like the way liberals are all controlled by an Evil Pulsating Brain in a jar with glowing lights etc etc etc but I'm pretty sure it's a different one.

- DSK

And both are controlled by a professor at Dartmouth!  (And everyone thought Dartmouth is a haven for conservative thought! Er, Mind control!)

Fox News!  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/us/dartmouth-faculty-supports-professors-comments-justifying-antifa-violence.amp

Compare & Contrast, please

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/08/29/dartmouth-professors-ask-president-apologize-his-disavowal-controversial-scholar

but how many on the violent right are depending on non violent liberal political action to achieve Bro fascist ends?

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Local guy who appears to have gotten the looting started in our little town with a Facebook post. No known Antifa connection. Pretty much ruined the rest of his life, not to mention the looted businesses, some of which are still closed.

https://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/courts-police-fire/update-urbana-man-faces-federal-charge-of-inciting-riot-at-mall/article_a72edb29-040b-5392-97cc-9d04e29cf5a3.html

 

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Bit of an awkward one, Victoria in Australia had almost... almost eradicated Covid and a bunch of people from the Riots Protests have tested positive to having Covid... 

On 6/5/2020 at 9:16 AM, BlatantEcho said:

Covid lied, 2 states in Australia are starting second waves because of not fully eradicating Covid and having huge protests and now the rest of Australia will probably stay isolated from NSW and Vic for the next 6 months. Fucking idiots.

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Yup, and now you guys are starting to look as dumb as the US here for unleashing the “invisible enemy” by not being over cautious. But we still have the lead and the attention!

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I posted this in the Kiwi thread, but same message....

For a country that responded with 'LOCK IT DOWN, UNTIL THER'S A VACCINE'
This is what you guys are left with.  

No herd immunity, no strategy but stay locked down until modern medicine (from other countries, of course), makes it safe to go outside.
2 cases will make grown men panic on the Internet, 7 months after a pandemic started.

You guys built your walls, and enjoyed your false sense of security from closed borders. 
While the rest of the world gets back to work and traveling, you guys will freak out over a flu like virus with a 99.76% survival rate.

 

What happened to Aussies being tough as, harden the fuck up people???
 

 

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Maybe if you just post that a few more times people will realize what a tough guy you are.  Meanwhile, just fuck off.

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On 6/12/2020 at 1:10 PM, Alan H said:

Holy shit...Is Mo for real?  Or is this a caricature?

He thinks he is...the rest of us know he's a hologram. 

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16 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

I posted

 

 

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I was listening to NPR yesterday (public radio the US) and an epidemiologist from the university of Minnesota (or was it Wisconsin???) explained that they looked very carefully at the number of cases in the cities where there has been large protests in the US, but there is no significant increase of new cases so far, even though we should see them by now. The reason he suspected was that those gatherings happened outside; the slightest breeze will dilute the virus in the air and avoid large contamination. He was re-using one of the slogan against pollution. The solution to pollution is dilution...

He was very keen to insist that large groups indoors would have a very different outcome...

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Maybe  latent Echo can fill us in on why. Don’t need any facts, just repeat the talking points, please.

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The level of political bigotry and tribal adhesion to 'your side' to validate yourself - doesn't advance the debate.

The decision to do a lockdown was based on IFR estimates wildly off from reality.
So, everyone peed their pants, and locked themselves indoors.

Now, the data has come out and - surprise, it's not 3-7% fatal.  It's probably .1-.4% (all sources cited in the Swedish thread)

Instead of smart people saying 'oh, huh, new evidence, new data.  Yeah, let's review our plans.' - people are scared.
They don't get news from factual sources, but from places that just confirm their views
Politicians just say 'safety!!!' and extend their power.
And people who 'picked a side' just defend it, despite the mountain of medical evidence now available to the contrary.

 

I can't force anyone to use facts or logic. But, please recognize when you aren't.
 

This isn't a contest.  This impacts billions of people's lives
If Australia wants to continue to not be part of the global community, because it's scared of a virus with a .28% IFR.  Whatever I guess.

But, doubling down on a decision made 3 months ago without much data, doesn't make it a virtuous one today.

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Mikie's Back.....  

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32 minutes ago, shaggy said:

Mikie's Back.....  

There's an old Mexican proverb:

'They tried to bury us, but they didn't realize, we were seeds'

 

The truth is going to keep being said, data shared, and I'll be as respectful as possible.
But, you can't hide the truth forever. It doesn't go away, even if the entire group ignores it for a few months. 

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12 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

The level of political bigotry and tribal adhesion to 'your side' to validate yourself - doesn't advance the debate.

The decision to do a lockdown was based on IFR estimates wildly off from reality.
So, everyone peed their pants, and locked themselves indoors.

Now, the data has come out and - surprise, it's not 3-7% fatal.  It's probably .1-.4% (all sources cited in the Swedish thread)

Instead of smart people saying 'oh, huh, new evidence, new data.  Yeah, let's review our plans.' - people are scared.
They don't get news from factual sources, but from places that just confirm their views
Politicians just say 'safety!!!' and extend their power.
And people who 'picked a side' just defend it, despite the mountain of medical evidence now available to the contrary.

 

I can't force anyone to use facts or logic. But, please recognize when you aren't.
 

This isn't a contest.  This impacts billions of people's lives
If Australia wants to continue to not be part of the global community, because it's scared of a virus with a .28% IFR.  Whatever I guess.

But, doubling down on a decision made 3 months ago without much data, doesn't make it a virtuous one today.

You seem to be under the illusion that the price of a lock down which saves lives is more damaging to the economy than one that gives priority to the economy.  In fact other matters are more important such as the proportion of your economy that depends on tourism.

GDP Growth/Loss by Country

Countries which have control of Covid-19 (low deaths)

Australia             -6.665
China                 +1.181
New Zealand     -7.212
Taiwan                -4.031
Vietnam              +2.7


Countries which do not have control of Covid-19 (high deaths)

Italy                         -9.134
Sweden                  -6.788
United Kingdom   -6.502
United States        -5.907
Venezuela             -15

This data is from here ..

https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/economic-data/countries-lowest-gdp-growth

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^^^

That data was an estimate, from April, FYI.

I see your point, and you are right, different types of economies will feel the impacts differently. No question.
If an economy was just based purely on making disposable masks - they would be doing amazing right now.


What's hard to quantify is the 'total damage done' to all humans in the world because of lockdown/stopping the world.
There is no *misery* index, to my knowledge.
 

But, we can be general here and say:

Covid has killed 450,000 so far.
The world has 7,700,000,000 people. 

Every one of those 7.7B people have been impacted in some way by what our governments decided to do. 
How many hundreds of millions have lost jobs?  In the US it was 40,000,000.. that's a lot of misery, just in one country.

Ok, so what? 

Well, we also know that 60,000,000 people die a year.  
Normally.
Let's round up Covid deaths from 450,000 to 1,000,000 to grab a full year.

Everyone (7,700,000,000) suffer in some ways because 1,000,000 die.

Context matters here. 

Covid is being treated like 9/11, as the best way I can explain it.

3,000 people died that day, and it was headlines for most of the year.  (Admittedly, a  deeply traumatic day compared to 7 months of this)
But, the reality is that, 60,000,000 people a year die, 24,000 or so in 2017 died of 'terrorism'
For the entire world to coordinate efforts to stop a threat - we picked something that, really, wasn't much of a threat....


 

ULTIMATELY:
If the *goal* was to minimize deaths and suffering, we wouldn't lockdown for Covid.
Hurt 7.7B, so 1M don't get hurt? That's bad math.  Hurt 99.99%, so .01% can survive (those are ACTUL percentages)....

The world, has, I don't think ever decided to do that before.

The contextual data doesn't support it either.

If we want to save lives, if that's the *real* goal - then what about the 17M people a year who die of Cardiovascular disease?
Why don't we ban any foods that contribute, mandate minimum daily exercise, and limit calories for everyone until that's under control?

Everyone focuses on the FEAR.. but, the rational mind thinks.... uhmmm..... we did what... for WHAT?
That goal isn't to 'save the most lives' - the goal is for politicians to placate a fearful public, fueled by a media that loves a fearful story.

So, we are here.
We can keep our head in the sand, or wake up and say 'yeah, ok, huh, the emperor really is naked as fuck'

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On 6/16/2020 at 4:21 PM, darth reapius said:

Bit of an awkward one, Victoria in Australia had almost... almost eradicated Covid and a bunch of people from the Riots Protests have tested positive to having Covid... 

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LoL. Called it a week ago. Fucking liberal idiots.

We virtually eradicated this shit, just a few cases left in NSW and Victoria. But noooooooooo those couple of people with covid had to attend protests. Now we've literally had more cases in 2 cities in a week than in the last 2 months.

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On 6/21/2020 at 12:42 AM, BlatantEcho said:

Let's round up Covid deaths from 450,000 to 1,000,000 to grab a full year.

Can you provide an estimate of the numbers of dead without any lockdowns?

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1 hour ago, darth reapius said:

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LoL. Called it a week ago. Fucking liberal idiots.

We virtually eradicated this shit, just a few cases left in NSW and Victoria. But noooooooooo those couple of people with covid had to attend protests. Now we've literally had more cases in 2 cities in a week than in the last 2 months.

The news was saying the new infections were primarily from large family gatherings, not the protests. Maybe the media is lying to us...we'll see what the consensus is once the week is out and infection numbers are locked in, it is only Monday.

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1 hour ago, Ncik said:

Maybe the media is lying to us...

I would suggest, just assuming the media is always lying to us, and to guess how much is true.

A dozen of the hundred new cases I thought were family transmission, and tonnes were "under investigation", with at least a dozen from the protests testing positive so far, assuming more will probably be found from there.

The family ones aren't so bad, one tests positive, they check the whole family and they all test positive, that's much easier to get on top of.

The issue is the dozen who are known to be from the protests actually turning out to be just the 25% showing symptoms who since went and got tested and that there is now say 50 people walking around Melbourne who think they haven't got it, spreading it. Hell one of them already tested positive upon his arrival in Sydney. Say those 50 people give it to just 5 people each, then you have 250 next week, then 1250 the next, and back to lock-down Victoria goes.

I will say a HUGE fuck you to Gladys Berejiklian (NSW Premier, the one responsible for the greatest land clearing in Australian history, bigger than that of 3rd world countries, the death of almost all of the countries Koala population, the person who took away funding from the Fire Department only months before our bush fires which were caused by the massive reduction in Parks management funding reducing the ability to conduct back-burning prior to the fires, the person who allowed foreign owned farms to drain the Murray Darling resulting in one of the countries worst fish deaths in history, the same person who literally killed Sydney's night life by bringing in lock-out laws for everyone.... except the Casino). Holy shit what a pathetic cunt of a human being. She has been ragging on to the states who all have zero cases to "just open their borders to allow travel between states to help their economy" but immediately when Victoria has issues retracts on their open Victorian border and are looking to close it again. Can't have your cake and eat it to Gladys you cunt.

The true koala killer, Gladys Berejiklian - Album on Imgur

 

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45 minutes ago, darth reapius said:

I would suggest, just assuming the media is always lying to us, and to guess how much is true.

A dozen of the hundred new cases I thought were family transmission, and tonnes were "under investigation", with at least a dozen from the protests testing positive so far, assuming more will probably be found from there.

The family ones aren't so bad, one tests positive, they check the whole family and they all test positive, that's much easier to get on top of.

The issue is the dozen who are known to be from the protests actually turning out to be just the 25% showing symptoms who since went and got tested and that there is now say 50 people walking around Melbourne who think they haven't got it, spreading it. Hell one of them already tested positive upon his arrival in Sydney. Say those 50 people give it to just 5 people each, then you have 250 next week, then 1250 the next, and back to lock-down Victoria goes.

I will say a HUGE fuck you to Gladys Berejiklian (NSW Premier, the one responsible for the greatest land clearing in Australian history, bigger than that of 3rd world countries, the death of almost all of the countries Koala population, the person who took away funding from the Fire Department only months before our bush fires which were caused by the massive reduction in Parks management funding reducing the ability to conduct back-burning prior to the fires, the person who allowed foreign owned farms to drain the Murray Darling resulting in one of the countries worst fish deaths in history, the same person who literally killed Sydney's night life by bringing in lock-out laws for everyone.... except the Casino). Holy shit what a pathetic cunt of a human being. She has been ragging on to the states who all have zero cases to "just open their borders to allow travel between states to help their economy" but immediately when Victoria has issues retracts on their open Victorian border and are looking to close it again. Can't have your cake and eat it to Gladys you cunt.

The true koala killer, Gladys Berejiklian - Album on Imgur

 

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Take it to PA. By the way Victoria has highest rate of clear felling of old growth native forest in Australia. 

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24 minutes ago, FinnFish said:

Take it to PA. By the way Victoria has highest rate of clear felling of old growth native forest in Australia. 

Gotta see them stats boi. Lot more NSW and QLD in this map than Victoria. They basically ripped up their Native Protection acts, but this isn't Covid and should be in PA, the other is mostly Covid related.

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12 hours ago, darth reapius said:

Gotta see them stats boi. Lot more NSW and QLD in this map than Victoria. They basically ripped up their Native Protection acts, but this isn't Covid and should be in PA, the other is mostly Covid related.

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Old growth, not simply land clearing. Dig into the LandStat data, resolution is your friend. That map is for 6 year olds.

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15 hours ago, darth reapius said:

I would suggest, just assuming the media is always lying to us, and to guess how much is true.

A dozen of the hundred new cases I thought were family transmission, and tonnes were "under investigation", with at least a dozen from the protests testing positive so far, assuming more will probably be found from there.

The family ones aren't so bad, one tests positive, they check the whole family and they all test positive, that's much easier to get on top of.

The issue is the dozen who are known to be from the protests actually turning out to be just the 25% showing symptoms who since went and got tested and that there is now say 50 people walking around Melbourne who think they haven't got it, spreading it. Hell one of them already tested positive upon his arrival in Sydney. Say those 50 people give it to just 5 people each, then you have 250 next week, then 1250 the next, and back to lock-down Victoria goes.

I will say a HUGE fuck you to Gladys Berejiklian (NSW Premier, the one responsible for the greatest land clearing in Australian history, bigger than that of 3rd world countries, the death of almost all of the countries Koala population, the person who took away funding from the Fire Department only months before our bush fires which were caused by the massive reduction in Parks management funding reducing the ability to conduct back-burning prior to the fires, the person who allowed foreign owned farms to drain the Murray Darling resulting in one of the countries worst fish deaths in history, the same person who literally killed Sydney's night life by bringing in lock-out laws for everyone.... except the Casino). Holy shit what a pathetic cunt of a human being. She has been ragging on to the states who all have zero cases to "just open their borders to allow travel between states to help their economy" but immediately when Victoria has issues retracts on their open Victorian border and are looking to close it again. Can't have your cake and eat it to Gladys you cunt.

The true koala killer, Gladys Berejiklian - Album on Imgur

 

spencertoons

Yikes, that's some hate right there. Just hold back from phrases like "witch" and "chaff bag".

But I will bite about one of your comments. The Murray-Darling basin problem has been such for a much longer time than your favourite Premier. She inherited that problem, and it is far from a simple fix. But I agree that large, water intensive farms have no place in a desert with sporadic water security, no matter who owns them.

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On 6/21/2020 at 12:42 AM, BlatantEcho said:

Let's round up Covid deaths from 450,000 to 1,000,000 to grab a full year.

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Still waiting for an answer.

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On 6/22/2020 at 3:36 PM, Ncik said:

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Still waiting for an answer.

Lol, sorry to keep you waiting - I thought you all thought I was dumb, so I'm surprised you want my opinion.
You wouldn't just be trolling though... would you?

Anyway, I'm traveling a lot, so, I get on here when I can to provide some information.

 

Remember, lockdown CAUSED a lot of death as well.
We don't know that number yet.  Did it cause 450,000 deaths?  I think it's pretty likely when you look at the data over 7+ Billion people.

This is the problem. Covid-19 affected very very few people.  What, like 100million cases?
But there are 7Billion people in the world.  So, 6.9BILLION, didn't get it.

But they suffered. And if say, .001% of them had some deadly event because of lockdown, you'd be at 690,000 deaths caused by lockdown.

 

So, the net net is, a destroyed world economy, and no deaths saved, and maybe more harm done.
My personal view back in January, and that has not changed at all, would be, no lockdown would have SAVED lives overall.
Tell people to wear masks, and to quarantine the sick and elderly - and then carry on normally.
 

It's really tricky data, and we won't know until 2021 when suicide, cancer, preventable disease, homicide stats, all that for 2020 come out.
Right now, I wouldn't be shocked if Lockdown directly killed more people in the world than Covid-19.

 

Impacting .001% of 7+ Billion people is still a LOT of death..  

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8 minutes ago, BlatantEcho said:

I wouldn't be shocked if Lockdown directly killed more people in the world than Covid-19.

 

 

Not in New Zealand. There was that one guy that broke his neck trying to fuck a sheep.

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32 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Not in New Zealand. There was that one guy that broke his neck trying to fuck a sheep.

Clearly a tourist anyway, the locals are trained from birth in safe animal husbandry.

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On 6/20/2020 at 1:13 AM, BlatantEcho said:

Now, the data has come out and - surprise, it's not 3-7% fatal.  It's probably .1-.4% (all sources cited in the Swedish thread)

Almost, sorta true - but also quite misleading.

On truth: I'm not a great fan of science being a popularity contest, so will take one credible source over many. Articles in the Lancet put the IFR in the .4 to .55 % range, which is the top end of what you are quoting.

On misleading: The IFR is for the overal population, but the impact is not equally distributed. If you look by age groups (Depending where you draw the lines), then the IFR is =< 0.01% for those under 25, around 0.1% for those 25 to 50, and >= 1% for those over 50.  So unless we are all OK with putting Granpa on the iceflow, we probably need to treat this a bit more seriously than the raw IFR figure suggests.

Put it another way - the IFR for contributors to Sailing Anarchy is going to be substantially higher than your .4% figure.

(I was going to suggest that being fit and active sailors would mean that we are less likely to be impacted, but then I had a glance aropund the fine figures of health at the yacht club bar, and cracked myself up)

 

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1 hour ago, BlatantEcho said:

Remember, lockdown CAUSED a lot of death as well.

Can you cite any resource that has put a figure on this?

Anecdotally the only places with much higher mortality rates are the ones dramatically affected by covid-19. The areas that are locked down don't have dramatic mortality rate increases. So I don't think your position is valid at all.

Definitely not trolling.

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10 hours ago, BlatantEcho said:

My personal view back in January, and that has not changed at all, would be, no lockdown would have SAVED lives overall.
Tell people to wear masks, and to quarantine the sick and elderly - and then carry on normally.
 

It's really tricky data, and we won't know until 2021 when suicide, cancer, preventable disease, homicide stats, all that for 2020 come out.
Right now, I wouldn't be shocked if Lockdown directly killed more people in the world than Covid-19.

There has been more deaths during Covid, and thus during lockdown. But the peak is dealt with in many places and excess deaths are even negative in some places. We will see if there are more people dying after the covid is done, but I would be shocked if lockdown killed more people than covid.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/01/us/coronavirus-deaths-new-york-new-jersey.html

https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

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On 6/23/2020 at 7:58 PM, Se7en said:

On misleading: The IFR is for the overal population, but the impact is not equally distributed. If you look by age groups (Depending where you draw the lines), then the IFR is =< 0.01% for those under 25, around 0.1% for those 25 to 50, and >= 1% for those over 50.  So unless we are all OK with putting Granpa on the iceflow, we probably need to treat this a bit more seriously than the raw IFR figure suggests.

I think you are on the right track actually, but I think you just reach the opposite conclusion as me.  Which is fine, at least you appear to be looking at the actual data.
I posted this in the Swedish thread, but I'll reply here too:
 

According to the CDC these are the Covid-19 IFRs for three age bracket:

- Under 50:   Covid19 is about 60% LESS deadly the the common flu    (Covid-19 survival rate: 99.95%)
- Age 50-64:  Covid is about 35% more deadly than the flu  (Covid-19 survival rate: 99.8%)
- Age 65+: Covid is about 10x more deadly than the flu  (Covid-19 survival rate 98.3%)

 

I don't know if there is an IFR for the flu by age bracket, aside from the .13%.
So, maybe the flu is .05% for people under age 50 too.  All I have is the .13% to work with.

 

The idea is that for 95% of the population (and the bulk of the people who keep our economy going...) Covid-19 is less, or the same deadliness as the flu.
That's just a hard scientific fact at this point


My opinion, based on that data, is we wildly over-reacted by locked EVERYONE indoors, and shutting down the world economy.

We panicked. 

Now, I will grant, we didn't have all the data in March. Sure, but, this was my exact thinking then as now.
There isn't any evidence that a new coronavirus would be magically 1-3% IFR for everyone.  No data for that.

But, the media latched on, Social media went NUTS spreading fear.
And now, people don't even know what to believe.

 

We panicked for something that is, a very very very small threat to humans
If you are old, yes, the risk is higher - but, so is the risk of tripping and falling. Yet we don't ban everyone from doing dangerous activities *just because* they are more dangerous to people of a certain age.

 

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