Zonker

Is this what we have come to?

Recommended Posts

I have no words for that thing on the top. Surely with that much boat length they could have done better.

image.thumb.png.15fbe214849e8d2aad368e9c2619a0f4.png

  • Like 5

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Having been on this boat, the fly bridge is a great spot. The visibility is amazing, all the controls are lead there, and you don’t have to deal with anything going into the saloon. It’s definetly not an all out racer, but for the owner it’s the perfect setup. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just another heavy power cat, with a rig stuck on top.  
Unfortunately the bareboat charter business is the biggest design driver for cats. 
Where are all the really excellent sailing cat designs hiding? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah, from the pictures I am not a fan...
I understand the convenience of the upper deck but there are "half up" options under a hard dodger like the HH seem like a much cleaner option.

What troubles me about the design is the "back porch" going literally right up to the transom with nothing between it and the large glass back doors. This thing is just waiting to get pooped going over a bar or any steep following seas!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fse.yachtworld.com%2Fbaatar%2F2020%2FMcConaghy-MC60-3158642%2F&psig=AOvVaw3gk2LAYPJY9bUBRbkaQ4RW&ust=1593365769935000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCNDx0pnEouoCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That is just rancid.  Someone got paid to design it?  A professional designer?  Doing it for a living?  I just don't understand modern life.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Isn't there an award for the ugliest design of the year? This would surely be a top runner.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I know what I've been missing: the owner must have a double glazing/conservatory business?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I wonder if you get altitude sickness up there?  
it’s not a bad looking boat if you cut the sniper tower off and lower the boom 10’!

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just because it could be worse doesn't make it ok!
eaglewings-sunreef-supreme.jpg

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 hours ago, JoeyG said:

but for the owner it’s the perfect setup.

Yeah because he doesn't have to see the boat if he's on the flying bridge.

It may be functional but it's FUGLY. 

They all are standing and have at least 2' above their heads. What would it look like with 2' less? Or recess it more so it's barely standing above the main cabin.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 hours ago, Zonker said:

I have no words for that thing on the top. Surely with that much boat length they could have done better.

image.thumb.png.15fbe214849e8d2aad368e9c2619a0f4.png

If they used forward controls inside, they would have better visibility, being able to see under the heady.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That boat is an abomination. Convenience at all cost is so snowflake. You must make sacrifices for style. Go visit Falling Waters sometime. That will teach you everything you need to know.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 hours ago, Airwick said:

Just because it could be worse doesn't make it ok!
eaglewings-sunreef-supreme.jpg

I took a tour of that Sunreef in Cannes. They asked why I was taking a tour (ie buyer, broker, etc). I told them I just had to see a boat that ugly in person. It’s ugly for a mid-1950’s East German office building. 

  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, soma said:

I took a tour of that Sunreef in Cannes. They asked why I was taking a tour (ie buyer, broker, etc). I told them I just had to see a boat that ugly in person. It’s ugly for a mid-1950’s East German office building. 

That is just f'n funny that right there.

Twenty minutes later and I'm still laughing out loud.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

No flybridge, don't need one.

ForwardVIew_s.jpg.8c07edbfad061a82e758128436e22eef.jpg

 

  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Or This... 

1694245397_P1010389-Smaller.thumb.JPG.ef9a868c93def0dec52efe499c8d73a2.JPG(and you can still stick your head out if wanted)

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My non-sailing wife once announced "there can be nothing more embarrassing than a husband with an ugly boat"!

That boat's owner must be one embarrassing husband.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Spare a thought for the covermaker that got asked to make the flybridge screens - it's going to be hard to feel much pride in that job...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, NZK said:

Spare a thought for the covermaker that got asked to make the flybridge screens - it's going to be hard to feel much pride in that job...

Indeed quite funny that they managed to still add that amateurish after thought looking things, on top of that already high flybridge... 

And otherwise the hulls do not seem overblown on these mc cats, and the materials seems to be good, and epoxy right? 

But in the end they probably are more glorified week end sailers, charter with crew boats, than "travel boats". 

Same segment as hh catamarans in a way, and not the outremer one. 

(slyder catamarans, also made in China, seems to be targeting the "family cruising on a performance cat" though, and also ita catamaran is, but made in Italy, also the balance cat in SA) 

And by the way, in the context of "family or friends cruising on a perf cat", would really prefer the outre-mer (or forward cockpit) set up than these flybridges if something goes bad when under AP, and, "on the first floor", which would probably be 98% of the time, unless they add the still missing bimini on the mc cat :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
50 minutes ago, yl75 said:

Indeed quite funny that they managed to still add that amateurish after thought looking things, on top of that already high flybridge... 

I had meant to say that nothing was ever going to look good on that flybridge - but it could definitely look better than this effort...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

my ideal was a 40ft beach cat scaled up no cabin

mini accommodation with at sea bunks in the hulls hard tramp with a tent popup cabin when at anchor only

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Didn’t see many complaints about the same thing on Rapido 50 renderings:

Rapido 50 perspective.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

To be fair, there were complaints about the 1/2 flybridge thingy on the Rapido 50. But it is an order or two of magnitude smaller, and at least two orders of magnitude less ugly than Zonker's original posting. As for the three-story condo thing, there is no comparison.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/30/2020 at 2:44 PM, nota said:

my ideal was a 40ft beach cat scaled up no cabin

mini accommodation with at sea bunks in the hulls hard tramp with a tent popup cabin when at anchor only

So.  You'd have been a customer for the Reynolds 45?  (it's okay,  I thought about it too....)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This was my design for a 44 catamaran 'Motorsailer' about 8 years ago. The flybridge was kept as minimal as I could but the hull and house kept getting higher and topheavy looking as the clients kept piling on shit. Junk on the trunk? There was junk everywhere! Damn mission creep...

gallery-indikonk4-15.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Eventually the thing got so tophampered (new word?) that the rig got ditched and it became a trawler cat and seemed a better match. Never went very far and I can't believe M&M still have it on their webpages.

1960877_765471780183129_7912722524435090184_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=JRhYap4jKygAX8gd5OA&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=63ca7445b60f3a1ba282450cb302b28f&oe=5F24712A

 

Sort of a 'Ben Hur' chariot for the FlyBridge on a split level arrangement from the main deck. Something that I was very familiar with from my days a Gold Coat. Makes a lot of sense in many ways.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rasper, 

That must have been a relief when it went from sail to power. It actually looks pretty good. I like the nice clean side deck. I think I've only sailed once on a large catamaran,  but I imagine myself wanting to sail with my butt either on the side deck immediately aft of the cabin/coach roof, or on some sort of seat in the same location.  The cabin sides would need to be shaped so I could see the jib, and there would need to be an unobstructed view to leeward through both port and starboard cabin windows. Then I would feel like I was actually sailing. Put a pair of wheels in the right place and get rid of the opaque surfaces in my line of sight to leeward, and I can see your design working for me. Plus, I would be happy to get rid of all the crap that makes life too complicated and the boat too heavy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A boat needs to be fast and easy to sail (all things being equal). I'm still laughing at Soma's comments. He's like 1000 million percent spot on.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/27/2020 at 6:59 PM, Zonker said:

I have no words for that thing on the top. Surely with that much boat length they could have done better.

image.thumb.png.15fbe214849e8d2aad368e9c2619a0f4.png

I feel ill

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Maybe they just misunderstood what the "end plate" effect is: someone needs to tell them it needs to be at the bottom end of the sail, not the aft end!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now