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4 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

The billionaires made out like bandits from the virus, or they have so far.  The masses got peanuts. Reopening was about cutting off unemployment. Reopening before the trend is downward doesn't save the economy, it dooms it.

The trend is downward. The main remnant of upward at this point are the profits from administering the COVID tests en masse.

But then again, your knowledge of the economy is tempered by a suplus bread truck with some broken sailing gear inside that you paid for with a blip of career profitability, so perhaps you aren't the best person to lead the mice, Pier Piper?

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3 hours ago, d'ranger said:

In Texas our approach is this: Lt Gov Dan Patrick (our Lieutenant Dan) announced he will no longer listen to Dr. Fauci. 

Our Motto: Grandparents want to Die to Save The Economy

In the interest of transparency, I was skeptical of Lt. Gov. Patrick actually saying that.  I stand corrected.

Texas lt. governor hits Fauci: 'He doesn't know what he's talking about'

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1 minute ago, Bus Driver said:

In the interest of transparency, I was skeptical of Lt. Gov. Patrick actually saying that.  I stand corrected.

Texas lt. governor hits Fauci: 'He doesn't know what he's talking about'

Once you have gone on record stating grandparents are willing to die to save the economy anything is believable.  He used to be a broadcaster here and was a prick then, which is why get got elected - sadly his position has all the real power, the governor is more of a ceremonial one.  With a little luck we can give them the opportunity to explore new careers in November.

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51 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Please specify the time frame of the trend you'd like analyzed.

If we go with the 7 day average, over the past 2 weeks (which seemed to be an agreeable time frame for you, earlier), the trend is UP.

 

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Well that's my point. The trend line is either going up or down depending on the time frame.

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4 hours ago, LenP said:

The assertion being made was that Cuomo mishandled the Covid outbreak in NY which lead to a disproportionate impact on residents of LTC facilities. The data shows that residents of LTC facilities in NY were less affected by the outbreak than the average in the US, and less than in FL. If the assertion was correct, then those numbers would be reversed and NY would have a higher percentage of deaths tied to LTC facilities. This is pretty basic logic. NY did have the worst outbreak to date in the US, however if you want to blame Cuomo, you will need to find a different angle than the current one being peddled.

Well I think the NYC outbreak could be attributed to both the mayor and the gov:

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-response-delays.html

and Mr. de Blasio urged the public not to worry. “We’ll tell you the second we think you should change your behavior,” the mayor said on March 5.

“Excuse our arrogance as New Yorkers — I speak for the mayor also on this one — we think we have the best health care system on the planet right here in New York,” Mr. Cuomo said on March 2. “So, when you’re saying, what happened in other countries versus what happened here, we don’t even think it’s going to be as bad as it was in other countries.”

 

And deblasio in particular:
 

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/blame-bill-de-blasio/

Yet on March 2, de Blasio urged New Yorkers in a tweet to go out on the town. On March 10, de Blasio said on MSNBC, “If you’re under 50 and you’re healthy, which is most New Yorkers, there’s very little threat here. This disease, even if you were to get it, basically acts like a common cold or flu. And transmission is not that easy.” On March 11, the day Seattle closed its schools, de Blasio said in a press conference, “If you are not sick, if you are not in the vulnerable category, you should be going about your life.” De Blasio didn’t acknowledge until April 3 that asymptomatic transmission was taking place, claiming he had learned this in the last two days. It had been 63 days since Anthony Fauci declared that asymptomatic transmission was certainly happening. Meanwhile, governor Andrew Cuomo, who often makes a point of publicly opposing de Blasio, this time joined the mayor in lethal obliviousness. “We should relax, because that is what is dictated by the reality of the situation,” Cuomo said on March 2, promising that most of the afflicted would recover easily and that “we don’t even think it’s going to be as bad as it was in other countries.”

 

 

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1 minute ago, Dog said:

Well that's my point. The trend line is either going up or down depending on the time frame.

Yep.  The recent, immediate past should be the ONLY time frame we focus on.  Unless we want to be deceptive.

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1 minute ago, Burning Man said:

Well I think the NYC outbreak could be attributed to both the mayor and the gov:

And deblasio in particular:
 

 

And you’d THINK that governors would take that as a lesson. Nope.

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2 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

42 new confirmed cases in my little county today, Bullshitters.  36 of them hospitalized. Our total is now 381, with 231 of them confirmed since June 1.

That's one hell of a democRAT hoax.  Maybe Bullshit isn't effective at stopping a virus. 

Maybe you should go stay in your Ebola thread until your county gets this under control.  It worked the last time.  Stay safe.

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25 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Just a shot in the dark here, but maybe the same place the 2.4T in loans and stimulus to business came from?

yes, i.e. the Fed is literally printing money.

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26 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

Sol's obvious sarcasm aside..... I don't think it is just the rich driving this need to reopen the economy.  The fact is the longer it stays shut, the deeper the depression we will have to dig out of.  It took 10 long years of suffering and then a devastating World War to get us out of the last one.  And sadly without WWII, we likely would have been in it for another decade or two.  How many more wars would that have spawned back then?  

And the other fact is that people need to eat.  Even if you were able to completely restructure the economy and our social safety nets to be able to shut the economy down completely and still feed everyone - no small task even in the best of times - where is that money to do this going to come from?  Sure we can print more of it, but taking wheelbarrows of cash to the supermarket for a loaf of bread worked out really well the last time around, didn't it?  

So like it or not, saving the economy IS also about saving lives.  I don't see it as a binary thing.  I certainly think we could have and still could go about reopening in a smarter way, but I honestly don't think it was ever an option to not reopen this summer.  I just don't think you can look at it from a pure statistical spreadsheet of how many lives saved and call it good.  There are far too many other complex factors that will bite us down the road had we shut down for the entire summer and not reopened until a vaccine was available.  And there was always going to be another wave when we reopened.  Again, yes we could have mitigated it somewhat with better leadership and better protocols.  But unless you were willing to install a draconian chinese like policy in the US and essentially suspend the Constitution and enforce Marshall Law (sic), then that is one of the downsides of "freedom" in that a free country has less tools at their disposal to enforce the sorts of specific behavior needed to really control this.  The reason containment has worked better in Asian countries like ROK is that they are a much more compliant society and do what the gov't tells them to do and they accept it as a normal thing.  And even those Asian countries are seeing a 2nd wave now.  Good, Bad or Indifferent - Obviously you know as well as I do that it doesn't work like that here.  And it's not going to change overnight.  

Mostly, we just needed everyone to wear a mask and implement a reliable national test and trace program while things were shut down. We screwed the pooch on the test and trace, so that would not likely help now, however we could still stop the exponential growth we are seeing now just by having folks wear masks. I don't think economic growth should be of no concern, just that it is subordinate to health and lives. There were more than a few posts in this thread that had those priorities reversed. We did not need any draconian policies, we just needed to care about each other and behave that way, rather than act like a bunch of selfish assholes. Nothing draconian about wearing a mask and caring about your fellow Americans. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

Well I think the NYC outbreak could be attributed to both the mayor and the gov:


 

 

JFC, Cuomo has been the only voice of reason in the country.  Try stacking all the residence of NYC on top of each other, empty plane loads of people on top of them and then manage a pandemic. At least he's transparent.  Mistakes, sure.  Too many ventilators and the hospital ship?  Boo fucking hoo.  Your hero President is the fucking problem.

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4 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

yes, i.e. the Fed is literally printing money.

hahaha nope. No need to "print" anymore ya neanderthal.

The fed is, not literally, "literally printing money".  The Fed is buying assets.  Putting deposits in bank and trading firms for the title to some bullshit asset.

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11 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

Well I think the NYC outbreak could be attributed to both the mayor and the gov:

And deblasio in particular:
 

 

Not arguing that they did not screw up, was just pointing out that the talking point about LTC facilities was provably false. Yes, they thought that it would not hit NY like it did, they did not shut down fast enough and so it spread like wildfire. 

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Meanwhile, on the sidelines in Floriduh, the governor tries to dumb down the populace even more. What an idiot.

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With a stroke of his veto pen, Gov. Ron DeSantis wiped out the entire $29.4 million budget for a suite of online education services that have become critical to students and faculty during the Covid-19 outbreak.

The move, barring action before midnight Tuesday, will kill the Complete Florida Plus Program, an array of technology systems that faculty, staff and students throughout Florida rely on, never more so than now, in the midst of a pandemic that has amplified reliance on distance learning. The cuts include a database of online courses and an online library service that provides 17 million books to 1.3 million students, faculty and staff.

At least 2,000 adult learners could be cut off from their scholarships and school accreditation could even be at risk without the resources housed under Complete Florida, which are used by students at high schools, state colleges and universities. Some 150 employees in Tallahassee, Gainesville and Pensacola stand to lose their jobs.

DeSantis, whose office declined to comment on the cut, on Monday vetoed $1 billion from Florida’s 2020-21 budget as the state attempts to beat back a resurgence of the viral outbreak, which has sickened 152,434 people and killed 3,505 in one of the country's hottest Covid-19 zones.

The governor’s office and the Department of Education have been publicly silent about the sudden, sweeping Complete Florida veto, leading some higher education officials to wonder if there had been some sort of mistake.

“This would be one of the biggest negative impacts in higher education in the last couple decades,” said Tom Messner, executive dean of Library Learning Commons at Florida State College at Jacksonville. “It just seems like an error.”

When asked about the justification for the veto and whether there was a plan to replicate Complete Florida’s services, DeSantis spokesperson Helen Aguirre Ferré deferred to the Department of Education.

There's more, lots more.

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/06/30/desantis-kills-online-learning-program-amid-virus-resurgence-1296178

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3 minutes ago, LenP said:

Mostly, we just needed everyone to wear a mask and implement a reliable national test and trace program while things were shut down. We screwed the pooch on the test and trace, so that would not likely help now, however we could still stop the exponential growth we are seeing now just by having folks wear masks. I don't think economic growth should be of no concern, just that it is subordinate to health and lives. There were more than a few posts in this thread that had those priorities reversed. We did not need any draconian policies, we just needed to care about each other and behave that way, rather than act like a bunch of selfish assholes. Nothing draconian about wearing a mask and caring about your fellow Americans. 

 

  

That's the damn crazy thing. Wear a fucking mask. Isolate yourself if you feel sick. Ramp up testing - fucking hell, it's been 6 months! Trace people using their god-damn cell phones. We'd have this thing fucking licked in a month.

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2 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

That's the damn crazy thing. Wear a fucking mask. Isolate yourself if you feel sick. Ramp up testing - fucking hell, it's been 6 months! Trace people using their god-damn cell phones. We'd have this thing fucking licked in a month.

But, but our freedom...

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15 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

yes, i.e. the Fed is literally printing money.

The government is giving you more money Jeffreaux! Better pretend to care about the poor!

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2 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

That's the damn crazy thing. Wear a fucking mask. Isolate yourself if you feel sick. Ramp up testing - fucking hell, it's been 6 months! Trace people using their god-damn cell phones. We'd have this thing fucking licked in a month.

When I was a stockbroker, there was another broker who had a bit of a gambling problem. Came in one Monday after losing 20 grand in AC and had pledged his house against the casino loan. Since he was a degenerate gambler, he thought the best way out of it was by more gambling. So he sold enough naked out of the money call options to pay off the casino, as long as the options expired worthless. The market began a huge rally shortly after he sold them, so now he is down another 50 or 60 grand. So he panics, covers the call options, and then sells a pile of naked put options to cover both his losses on the calls and the casino. Which would have worked as long as the market kept going up, but it did not, instead it gave back all its gains and ultimately closed down on the day, at which point he was down 250 grand. Lost his house, his wife, his job, pretty much everything. All because he could not simply admit he made that first stupid mistake and work his way out of it. Solving the 20 grand problem would have been a headache and caused some embarrassment, but it was manageable. What we see going on with the handling of this pandemic reminds of that same kind of pathology. Just keep throwing out one risky bet after another and hope one of them works out, instead of just having folks wear a mask and put some common sense measures in place. 

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15 minutes ago, LenP said:

Mostly, we just needed everyone to wear a mask and implement a reliable national test and trace program while things were shut down. We screwed the pooch on the test and trace, so that would not likely help now, however we could still stop the exponential growth we are seeing now just by having folks wear masks. I don't think economic growth should be of no concern, just that it is subordinate to health and lives. There were more than a few posts in this thread that had those priorities reversed. We did not need any draconian policies, we just needed to care about each other and behave that way, rather than act like a bunch of selfish assholes. Nothing draconian about wearing a mask and caring about your fellow Americans. 

 

 

Concur.  My state just finally made mask wearing mandatory.  It's mostly being followed.  There are still some assholes out there ignoring it or paying lip service.  I did see one store the other day kick someone out for not wearing a mask.  Good on 'em.  

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5 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

The government is giving you more money Jeffreaux! Better pretend to care about the poor!

If they are, I haven't seen a dime of it.  When do I get my trump check?

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2 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

If they are, I haven't seen a dime of it.  When do I get my trump check?

Yea, Where are my fucking checks??

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17 minutes ago, Raz'r said:
23 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

yes, i.e. the Fed is literally printing money.

hahaha nope. No need to "print" anymore ya neanderthal.

The fed is, not literally, "literally printing money".  The Fed is buying assets.  Putting deposits in bank and trading firms for the title to some bullshit asset.

Right. The U.S. Treasury are the ones who actually print the money. The Treasury Bureau of Engraving & Printing, to be precise.

Do it pretty much all day, every day.

- DSK

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27 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

hahaha nope. No need to "print" anymore ya neanderthal.

The fed is, not literally, "literally printing money".  The Fed is buying assets.  Putting deposits in bank and trading firms for the title to some bullshit asset.

Ok so not "literally" but close to it:

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Yesterday the Federal Reserve announced that to counteract the economic effects of the pandemic, it’s making $2.3 trillion available in extra credit to spur loans to cities and to small and medium-sized businesses.  

It’s reasonable to ask: Where did the Fed find $2.3 trillion? Was it taxpayer money? No. It’s more like magic.

“In a certain sense, it is creating it out of thin air,” Homa Zarghamee, an economics professor at Barnard College who advises Core Econ, the publisher of the open-source economics textbook “Marketplace Morning Report” host David Brancaccio is reading with listeners.

Former Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke talked about this after the last financial crisis: “To lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account they have with the Fed. So it’s much more akin, although not exactly the same, to printing money, than it is to borrowing.”

Note that printing money is just a metaphor. The Fed has no printing presses. But it has a keyboard which only a central bank can use to magically increase the total supply of money, which helps stimulate the economy when disaster is afoot, like now.  

https://www.marketplace.org/2020/04/10/federal-reserve-assistance-extra-credit/

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

Ok so not "literally" but close to it:

 

Just funnin ya man. Watch out, or with that lack of humor folks might starting thinking you're a democRat.

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13 minutes ago, Raz'r said:
22 minutes ago, Burning Man said:

Ok so not "literally" but close to it:

 

Just funnin ya man. Watch out, or with that lack of humor folks might starting thinking you're a democRat.

I'm kind of impressed, it almost looks like Jeffie actually learned something today.

He better knock that shit off, or they'll kick him out of the club

- DSK

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1 hour ago, LenP said:

Not arguing that they did not screw up, was just pointing out that the talking point about LTC facilities was provably false. Yes, they thought that it would not hit NY like it did, they did not shut down fast enough and so it spread like wildfire. 

No that point was not proved false.  You like %   try this States that required LTC's to take COVID positive  patients NY 6% MI 5% NJ 12% deaths of LTC population   States that banned the requirement FL 1.6% CA 2%   Tell us again how ordering  LTC's to take patients was no big deal?

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/fire-through-dry-grass-andrew-cuomo-saw-covid-19-threat-to-nursing-homes-then-he-risked-adding-to-it

But the week before, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and his health commissioner, Howard Zucker, had all but made such discharges mandatory. If a hospital determined a patient who needed nursing home care was medically stable, the home had to accept them, even if they had been treated for COVID-19. Moreover, the nursing home could not test any such prospective residents — those treated for COVID-19 or those hospitalized for other reasons — to see if they were newly infected or perhaps still contagious despite their treatment. It was all laid out in a formal order, effective March 25. New York was the only state in the nation that barred testing of those being placed or returning to nursing homes.

In the weeks that followed the March 25 order, COVID-19 tore through New York state’s nursing facilities, killing more than 6,000 people — about 6% of its more than 100,000 nursing home residents. In all, as many as 4,500 COVID-19 infected patients were sent to nursing homes across the state, according to a count conducted by The Associated Press.

States that issued orders similar to Cuomo’s recorded comparably grim outcomes. Michigan lost 5% of roughly 38,000 nursing home residents to COVID-19 since the outbreak began. New Jersey lost 12% of its more than 43,000 residents.

In Florida, where such transfers were barred, just 1.6% of 73,000 nursing home residents died of the virus. California, after initially moving toward a policy like New York’s, quickly revised it. So far, it has lost 2% of its 103,000 nursing home residents.

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, The Joker said:

No that point was not proved false.  You like %   try this States that required LTC's to take COVID positive  patients NY 6% MI 5% NJ 12% deaths of LTC population   States that banned the requirement FL 1.6% CA 2%   Tell us again how ordering  LTC's to take patients was no big deal?

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/fire-through-dry-grass-andrew-cuomo-saw-covid-19-threat-to-nursing-homes-then-he-risked-adding-to-it

But the week before, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and his health commissioner, Howard Zucker, had all but made such discharges mandatory. If a hospital determined a patient who needed nursing home care was medically stable, the home had to accept them, even if they had been treated for COVID-19. Moreover, the nursing home could not test any such prospective residents — those treated for COVID-19 or those hospitalized for other reasons — to see if they were newly infected or perhaps still contagious despite their treatment. It was all laid out in a formal order, effective March 25. New York was the only state in the nation that barred testing of those being placed or returning to nursing homes.

In the weeks that followed the March 25 order, COVID-19 tore through New York state’s nursing facilities, killing more than 6,000 people — about 6% of its more than 100,000 nursing home residents. In all, as many as 4,500 COVID-19 infected patients were sent to nursing homes across the state, according to a count conducted by The Associated Press.

States that issued orders similar to Cuomo’s recorded comparably grim outcomes. Michigan lost 5% of roughly 38,000 nursing home residents to COVID-19 since the outbreak began. New Jersey lost 12% of its more than 43,000 residents.

In Florida, where such transfers were barred, just 1.6% of 73,000 nursing home residents died of the virus. California, after initially moving toward a policy like New York’s, quickly revised it. So far, it has lost 2% of its 103,000 nursing home residents.

 

 

 

 

Nice to see SOME lessons being learned. Too bad others are being ignored.

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

I'm kind of impressed, it almost looks like Jeffie actually learned something today.

He better knock that shit off, or they'll kick him out of the club

- DSK

I would never belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members.

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1 hour ago, The Joker said:

 

You are misusing the data. Florida's outbreak is just ramping up, if/when Florida reaches the same level of cases per 100k, then it would be a valid comparison. Right now, it looks like Florida is doing a worse job protecting LTC residents. 

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2 hours ago, roundthebuoys said:

But, but our freedom...to infect!  What about that?  

 

FIFY

In order to support other "freedom" to cause mass slaughter opportunities, I propose we remove all speed limits on highways and uproot all stop signs near schools and old folks homes.  

That'll promote fuckin' freedom all right!

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23 minutes ago, LenP said:

You are misusing the data. Florida's outbreak is just ramping up, if/when Florida reaches the same level of cases per 100k, then it would be a valid comparison. Right now, it looks like Florida is doing a worse job protecting LTC residents. 

Huh?  Nothing shows there is a ramp up of cases in FL LTC's it is the under 40 crowd that is surging in cases.    Why would Florida need to reach NY levels of cases to be a fair comparison?   The whole point is unlike New York  Florida separated the positive cases from the start.  How can you claim that Florida's 1.7% deaths in LTC's shows a worse job than New York's 6% deaths at LTC's?    How about the general population?   Florida is at 15 deaths per 100,000  New York is at 275 per 100,000. 

There is no metric that shows Florida is going to be anywhere near the disaster that New York's suffered.

Spring break was months ago where was the surge everyone predicted?

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

FIFY

In order to support other "freedom" to cause mass slaughter opportunities, I propose we remove all speed limits on highways and uproot all stop signs near schools and old folks homes.  

That'll promote fuckin' freedom all right!

You are always free to hide in your basement, the rest of the country is moving on.   The current mortality rate is pretty low to call it a mass slaughter, but hey  gotta keep that fear alive, at least until November  

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18 minutes ago, The Joker said:

You are always free to hide in your basement, the rest of the country is moving on.   The current mortality rate is pretty low to call it a mass slaughter, but hey  gotta keep that fear alive, at least until November  

You fucking joke, most of us are up and moving about.  The people who are dying are just figments of your imagination.  The scientists, the doctors and all of the other professionals form their opinions based upon their political views.

You and I, let's go free those children in the basement.  We know sex trafficking when we can't see it.

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2 minutes ago, hasher said:

You fucking joke, most of us are up and moving about.  The people who are dying are just figments of your imagination.  The scientists, the doctors and all of the other professionals form their opinions based upon their political views.

You and me, let's go free those children in the basement.  We know sex trafficking when we can't see it.

I've never stopped working sorry for your confusion.   

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Just now, The Joker said:

I've never stopped working sorry for your confusion.   

Neither have I.  Nor will I.  The courts aren't cooperating.  Will you call the little don so he can set the judges straight on who is in charge?  

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3 minutes ago, PHIRKIN said:

 

Amazing band. Love those guys

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Sub Pop signed a bunch of cool bands. WTH, another timely tune:

 

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49 minutes ago, hasher said:

You fucking joke, most of us are up and moving about.  The people who are dying are just figments of your imagination.  The scientists, the doctors and all of the other professionals form their opinions based upon their political views.

You and I, let's go free those children in the basement.  We know sex trafficking when we can't see it.

Joker is the kind of person who needs to be immediately impacted (son, mother, or wife) for him to even take notice. It's pretty much imaginary from his point of view.

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@Grrr...   

All Trump 'tards are like that.  And, in general, a lack of empathy and placement on the sociopath spectrum is a trait of conservatives. This has been shown in numerous studies and is settled science at this point. 

For example

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Do liberals and conservatives differ in their empathy toward others? This question has been difficult to resolve due to methodological constraints and common use of ideologically biased targets. To more adequately address this question, we examined how much empathy liberals and conservatives want to feel, how much empathy they actually feel, and how willing they are to help others. We used targets that are equivalent in the degree to which liberals and conservatives identify with, by setting either liberals, conservatives, or ideologically neutral members as social targets. To support the generalizability of our findings, we conducted the study in the United States, Israel, and Germany. We found that, on average and across samples, liberals wanted to feel more empathy and experienced more empathy than conservatives did.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0146167218769867

 

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13 hours ago, Dog said:

What do sophisticated architects like you use in place of Euclidean geometry?

BTW...The trend line for deaths in Florida is either up or down depending on what you pick as a starting point.

 

4 hours ago, Dog said:

Well that's my point. The trend line is either going up or down depending on the time frame.

How about you start from 1/1/20?

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1 hour ago, The Joker said:

You are always free to hide in your basement, the rest of the country is moving on.   The current mortality rate is pretty low to call it a mass slaughter, but hey  gotta keep that fear alive, at least until November  

10% of resolved cases end in death......

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3 hours ago, The Joker said:

NY about 6% of its more than 100,000

Michigan lost 5% of roughly 38,000

New Jersey lost 12% of its more than 43,000 residents.

 

Florida, where such transfers were barred, just 1.6% of 73,000

California, after initially moving toward a policy like New York’s, quickly revised it. So far, it has lost 2% of its 103,000

So does the accounting place the nursing home residents that were sent and died in hospital in the hospital column or the nursing home column?

The details matter if any factual information is to be gleaned.

But in hindsight it does seem like a poor decision to send the infected back to nursing homes to infect the other residents.

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Arizona leading the way today with 88 fatalities, bullshitters. Don’t sweat it, the virus will go away when the temps rise. 

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I see more of an impact to the economy through the 'no shutdown, we'll just manage it' approach than the cost of being brutal early.

It's funny watching the deniers splitting hairs looking for a point score to justify their political leanings, whilst the US is pushing 25% of the worlds cases. 

Kinda like watching your boat sinking from a fucking great hole where the keel was and the crew arguing about leaving a hatch open and water is dripping on the nav table.   

  

  

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2 hours ago, The Joker said:

I've never stopped working sorry for your confusion.   

Good thing you got that sweet big socialism government PPP money right teat sucker?
 

150,000 dead and this piece of shit sock puppet doesn’t care. 

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28 minutes ago, shaggybaxter said:

I see more of an impact to the economy through the 'no shutdown, we'll just manage it' approach than the cost of being brutal early.

It's funny watching the deniers splitting hairs looking for a point score to justify their political leanings, whilst the US is pushing 25% of the worlds cases. 

Kinda like watching your boat sinking from a fucking great hole where the keel was and the crew arguing about leaving a hatch open and water is dripping on the nav table.   

  

  

Short and sharp shutdown is the most effective.

Covid outbreaks will continue to paralyse individual regions for a very long time if/once it gets loose.

 

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30 minutes ago, shaggybaxter said:

I see more of an impact to the economy through the 'no shutdown, we'll just manage it' approach than the cost of being brutal early.

So, like research suggests happened with Spanish Flu in the US? Where citys that treated it as a real thing rebounded faster & with more growth than those 5hat bullshitted.
 

Ot like other countrys and Covid? Where life is getting back to normal?
 

Damn you and your reality!

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1 hour ago, Ncik said:

So does the accounting place the nursing home residents that were sent and died in hospital in the hospital column or the nursing home column?

The details matter if any factual information is to be gleaned.

But in hindsight it does seem like a poor decision to send the infected back to nursing homes to infect the other residents.

Poor decisions made during the heat of a disaster are forgivable (except by the ideologues). 

Poor decisions made and repeated out of self-interest when time and solid information are in hand are unforgivable.  

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1 hour ago, shaggybaxter said:

I see more of an impact to the economy through the 'no shutdown, we'll just manage it' approach than the cost of being brutal early.

It's funny watching the deniers splitting hairs looking for a point score to justify their political leanings, whilst the US is pushing 25% of the worlds cases. 

Kinda like watching your boat sinking from a fucking great hole where the keel was and the crew arguing about leaving a hatch open and water is dripping on the nav table.  

  

The Trumpettes -still- haven't figured out that dead customers and workers, and panicked customers staying away, and having to rent refrigerated trucks for corpses and build tent cities in hospital parking lots, will drive the economy down much further and keep it there, than testing and isolating in an intelligent and science-based way to reduce spread of virus.

Re-opening with limited testing was always one of the stupidest things possible to choose.

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63 more fatalities today in FL, bullshitters. 10k more cases confirmed. 
 

Could somebody call “Two Men and a Truck”? We have some goalposts that are going to need moving, and our bullshitters aren’t up to the lift. 

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42 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

63 more fatalities today in FL, bullshitters. 10k more cases confirmed. 
 

Could somebody call “Two Men and a Truck”? We have some goalposts that are going to need moving, and our bullshitters aren’t up to the lift. 

The only bull shit is coming from you.  

When N.Y. was seeing the same number of  cases they were losing 500 to 1000 per day. 

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Whoops, 64 today, Bullshitters.  We're still in case count mode here, so don't worry about moving the death count goalpost for a bit longer.  Or take the couple of weeks to set up new login names like good bullshitters. 

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12 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Whoops, 64 today, Bullshitters.  We're still in case count mode here, so don't worry about moving the death count goalpost for a bit longer.  Or take the couple of weeks to set up new login names like good bullshitters. 

They can change their names but you can spot them by the trail of stupidity they leave behind them.

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24 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Whoops, 64 today, Bullshitters.  We're still in case count mode here, so don't worry about moving the death count goalpost for a bit longer.  Or take the couple of weeks to set up new login names like good bullshitters. 

With 50,000 new cases in the US in the last 24 hours we can say that the morons like Joker and Mikey are victorious and the thing is out of control and there isn't anything that is going to stop it now.  Even with a vaccine anti-vaxxers will prevent us from wiping the disease out.  

Only thing to do is be vigilant and try to protect yourself the best you can while waiting for a vaccine. 

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On 6/30/2020 at 4:23 PM, LenP said:

That is some very backwards thinking, more than a little cult like. 

Give that man a cigar.

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1 minute ago, Clove Hitch said:

With 50,000 new cases in the US in the last 24 hours we can say that the morons like Joker and Mikey are victorious and the thing is out of control and there isn't anything that is going to stop it now.  Even with a vaccine anti-vaxxers will prevent us from wiping the disease out.  

Only thing to do is be vigilant and try to protect yourself the best you can while waiting for a vaccine. 

Best of luck to you, newly sent to the front for battle.

- DSK

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Just now, Steam Flyer said:

Best of luck to you, newly sent to the front for battle.

- DSK

Thanks!  My boss just told me I'm going to get cross trained in the ICU.  Now, I wonder why that is. . . .  .. ?

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Just now, SloopJonB said:

Give that man a cigar.

Davidoff box pressed robusto please

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27 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Whoops, 64 today, Bullshitters.  We're still in case count mode here, so don't worry about moving the death count goalpost for a bit longer.  Or take the couple of weeks to set up new login names like good bullshitters. 

If we move the goalpost to cancer and heart disease death rates that should buy them some time. Now that Covid19 has gone past gun deaths you can almost feel the collective sigh of relief.

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4 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

With 50,000 new cases in the US in the last 24 hours we can say that the morons like Joker and Mikey are victorious and the thing is out of control and there isn't anything that is going to stop it now.  Even with a vaccine anti-vaxxers will prevent us from wiping the disease out.  

Only thing to do is be vigilant and try to protect yourself the best you can while waiting for a vaccine. 

Be careful, and thanks for doing the job. Don't let the covidiots get you down, the majority of the country is deeply appreciative of our nurses and docs. The covidiots just make more noise. 

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2 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

Thanks!  My boss just told me I'm going to get cross trained in the ICU.  Now, I wonder why that is. . . .  .. ?

Just don't let them send you to that refrigerated truck in the parking lot!

- DSK

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On 7/1/2020 at 3:52 AM, Dog said:
On 6/30/2020 at 1:02 PM, Zonker said:

It's called the derivative. (Been tutoring my daughter in Gr 12 calculus and was amazed I still remembered some of it)

Ok, but they apply to mathematical curves. We don't have a formula for the death rate in Florida due to covid.

Yes but you can fit a polynomial curve to some arbritary set of data. It's an Excel function for god's sake.

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3 hours ago, The Joker said:

The only bull shit is coming from you.  

When N.Y. was seeing the same number of  cases they were losing 500 to 1000 per day. 

I thought you lived in New York bullshitter? Can’t even remember your own lies anymore?

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23 hours ago, shaggybaxter said:

I see more of an impact to the economy through the 'no shutdown, we'll just manage it' approach than the cost of being brutal early.

It's funny watching the deniers splitting hairs looking for a point score to justify their political leanings, whilst the US is pushing 25% of the worlds cases. 

Kinda like watching your boat sinking from a fucking great hole where the keel was and the crew arguing about leaving a hatch open and water is dripping on the nav table.  

Funny because I used that exact analogy for the AGW/CO2 panic merchants attacking Australia for our emissions while ignoring China and India.

Same mindset, different group. Kind of funny except this virus is a lot more immediate a problem.

FKT

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11 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Here you go, Bullshitters. Where the rubber meets the road. Bullshit won’t help these people. You fuckers. 
 

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/view-from-the-icu-younger-sicker-and-bracing-for-more/2257140/

 

The lack of respect for health care workers, for the population in general is without exception, disgusting.

 

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3 hours ago, Ease the sheet. said:

The lack of respect for health care workers, for the population in general is without exception, deplorable.

 

FTFY.

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On 7/2/2020 at 1:48 AM, LenP said:

In Florida 52% of Covid deaths were tied to LTC facilities , in NY that number is 21%. If Cuomo is to blame for the 21% in NY, who is to blame for the 52% in FL ? 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-nursing-homes.html

If you look at the actual data, it looks much different than the spin from RW media. 

 

How is that different from any other topic?

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On 7/1/2020 at 6:00 PM, The Joker said:

There is no metric that shows Florida is going to be anywhere near the disaster that New York's suffered.

Might be a bit early to call that one.

They don't have our subways & such, but... they're older, fatter, and generally less healthy. 

Might well end up getting hit worse than we did.

15 hours ago, The Joker said:

When N.Y. was seeing the same number of  cases they were losing 500 to 1000 per day. 

And it only took us three weeks to go from 50-60 a day, to 500-1000.    

And we were shut down, completely, through those weeks.  Just about everybody was staying home.  Judging from traffic cams... our rush hour traffic, at 6pm, looked like Miami does right now, at 4:40 am.

  

 

 

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13 hours ago, Zonker said:

Yes but you can fit a polynomial curve to some arbritary set of data. It's an Excel function for god's sake.

And what does it tell you about the next data point or the trend?...nothing

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Another 66 dropped by the virus in FL today, bullshitters. New case confirmations dropped below 10k today, so maybe that’s a good place for you to move the goalposts. (9500). 

Whoops. Record hospitalizations, deaths up by the most in a month. Spin it up Bullshitters.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-02/florida-virus-cases-hospitalizations-rise-most-ever-deaths-up

 

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6 hours ago, Dog said:
20 hours ago, Zonker said:

Yes but you can fit a polynomial curve to some arbritary set of data. It's an Excel function for god's sake.

And what does it tell you about the next data point or the trend?...nothing

We already knew math was not Dog's strong point.

Confirmed

But insisting that just because -you- don't know something, that nobody else does or that it can't be known at all.... well, let's just say that peasants live in a world of mystery and mumbo-jumbo. Because science and math is just beyond them, it makes them feel good to deny there is such a thing.

- DSK

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46 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

We already knew math was not Dog's strong point.

Confirmed

But insisting that just because -you- don't know something, that nobody else does or that it can't be known at all.... well, let's just say that peasants live in a world of mystery and mumbo-jumbo. Because science and math is just beyond them, it makes them feel good to deny there is such a thing.

- DSK

I know the death rate in Florida does not conform to any known mathematical function.

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7 minutes ago, Dog said:

I know the death rate in Florida does not conform to any known mathematical function.

Yeah?

Does it just jump around, totally at random... one day a new record high, then next day meh? Highs, lows, all over the map, no way to guess? Or does it actually accelerate and decelerate?

When you're a fucking peasant, everything seems mysterious and random. Disease, weather, health of livestock... that's why peasants fall back on mumbo-jumbo and a sense of fatalism. Anybody who tries to sell you that attitude is making you into a peasant. It seems to have worked on you, and on an unfortunate number of USAneans.

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4 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Yeah?

Does it just jump around, totally at random... one day a new record high, then next day meh? Highs, lows, all over the map, no way to guess? Or does it actually accelerate and decelerate?

When you're a fucking peasant, everything seems mysterious and random. Disease, weather, health of livestock... that's why peasants fall back on mumbo-jumbo and a sense of fatalism. Anybody who tries to sell you that attitude is making you into a peasant. It seems to have worked on you, and on an unfortunate number of USAneans.

- DSK

What's the instantaneous slope now and what does it mean to you?

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38 minutes ago, Dog said:

I know the death rate in Florida does not conform to any known mathematical function.

:lol: this troll claims to be an architect :lol: this is either a lie or you are a fucking idiot @Dog

now, the function may not be differentiable, but there’s a function dipshit.

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32 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:
43 minutes ago, Dog said:

I know the death rate in Florida does not conform to any known mathematical function.

Yeah?

Does it just jump around, totally at random... one day a new record high, then next day meh? Highs, lows, all over the map, no way to guess? Or does it actually accelerate and decelerate?

When you're a fucking peasant, everything seems mysterious and random. Disease, weather, health of livestock... that's why peasants fall back on mumbo-jumbo and a sense of fatalism. Anybody who tries to sell you that attitude is making you into a peasant. It seems to have worked on you, and on an unfortunate number of USAneans.

- DSK

I know The Mutt's brain does not conform to any known function.

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3 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

:lol: this troll claims to be an architect :lol:

 

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1 hour ago, Dog said:

What's the instantaneous slope now and what does it mean to you?

"Instantaneous slope" is not a math term I know, nor (I suspect) is it one that you know, but you seem to be looking for the slope of a function at a defined point in time.

The rate of increase in new cases? The state of Florida is trying to conceal that information. Why do you suppose that is?

My own opinion is that the combination of incomplete data, time delay in reporting, and the whackadoodle random inputs from crazy fuck heads, mean that comparison of relative areas is the better metric; and I think a rolling average is more useful to see whether the spread is increasing or decreasing.

Pretty obvious, even with all the above obfuscations, that the rate of spread is increasing. It's possible that it will accelerate yet more. It definitely will if people continue to make it a political issue instead of a health issue, if people continue to act with impatience and selfishness instead of forethought and care.

My community's Facebook page just had long rants this morning from people defending their "personal freedom of choice" to not wear a mask. They are totally missing the point that they're being obnoxious jerks and they defy the fact that they are exposing other people to risk. Next, they'll complain that they're being ostracised and people reacting to them as if they're obnoxious jerks.

The good news is that over the past two weeks, they've stopped invoking Trump in their rants, so maybe the idea that he's not really a good President after all is sinking into their heads.

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5 hours ago, Dog said:

What's the instantaneous slope now and what does it mean to you?

The slope of an instant in time is called a point.   

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