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I just banned BlatantEcho until 10/1 for posting fake information about COVID. I'm not sure why he wants people to die while he takes advantage of the the pandemic to take a low-cost sex tourism trip through eastern europe, but it doesn't matter.

Anyone else who posts pretend science from history professors, pretend epidemiology from demon sperm docs or stem cell promoters, or posts monday morning numbers over and over again to try to prove that the we are 'rounding the corner'  is going to get the boot for at least a few weeks.  If it looks like you are deliberately trying to get people to stop protecting themselves or others, longer.

 

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tanks?  

 

You're welcome.

Ironically the only person who had been asking for tanks in DC has been the bone spur in chief. The Army and DC logistics folks have been saying the 60+ ton abrams will hurt roads and bridges. 

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I'll chip in an "h".

Thanks!

 

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10 hours ago, Grog said:

I'll chip in an "h".

Thanks!

 

There are consonants to burn, so feel free. If you have some spare vowels, you can send them to Poland, where there is an acute shortage.

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14 hours ago, Ishmael said:

There are consonants to burn, so feel free. If you have some spare vowels, you can send them to Poland, where there is an acute shortage.

I will gladly send a box of assorted vowels to our dear neighbours and I will send them with thanks. :) 

 

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A recent university study has shown that Trump supporters who contract the virus show no ill effects and their dicks grow huge. 

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On 9/14/2020 at 9:40 AM, MR.CLEAN said:

I just banned BlatantEcho until 10/1 for posting fake information about COVID. I'm not sure why he wants people to die while he takes advantage of the the pandemic to take a low-cost sex tourism trip through eastern europe, but it doesn't matter.

Anyone else who posts pretend science from history professors, pretend epidemiology from demon sperm docs or stem cell promoters, or posts monday morning numbers over and over again to try to prove that the we are 'rounding the corner'  is going to get the boot for at least a few weeks.  If it looks like you are deliberately trying to get people to stop protecting themselves or others, longer.

 

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6 hours ago, LB 15 said:

A recent university study has shown that Trump supporters who contract the virus show no ill effects and their dicks grow huge. 

so that's why Trump does not want to wear a mask, he wants to grow his mushroom

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6 hours ago, LB 15 said:

A recent university study has shown that Trump supporters who contract the virus show no ill effects and their dicks grow huge even bigger.

FIFY

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7 hours ago, LB 15 said:

A recent university study has shown that Trump supporters who contract the virus show no ill effects and their dicks grow huge. 

Was it Trump U that did the study?

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On 9/14/2020 at 9:40 AM, MR.CLEAN said:

I just banned BlatantEcho until 10/1 for posting fake information about COVID. I'm not sure why he wants people to die while he takes advantage of the the pandemic to take a low-cost sex tourism trip through eastern europe, but it doesn't matter.

Anyone else who posts pretend science from history professors, pretend epidemiology from demon sperm docs or stem cell promoters, or posts monday morning numbers over and over again to try to prove that the we are 'rounding the corner'  is going to get the boot for at least a few weeks.  If it looks like you are deliberately trying to get people to stop protecting themselves or others, longer.

 

I will keep it simple:

  • CV19 is more infectious than most version of flu.  We know as a fact that it is more infectious than the flu.  We postulate that this is for 3 reasons (i) The host can be infectious before displaying symptoms  (ii) CV19 has a very high rate of shedding. A host sheds hundreds of thousands of Cv19 molecules and (iii) The molecule is quite robust in different climates.  However the reasons for the rate of infection is still being researched
  • CV19 has a significantly higher mortality rate than flu. We know this as a fact.

Blatant struggled with these facts, advocating that CV19 was no worse than an average flu. 

However in our favor,

(1) The attachment is inefficient so masks really reduce infection. The degree of correlation between wearing masks and lower rate of infection appears to bear this out.

(2) At least 6 clinical stage vaccines produce encouraging levels of antibodies. 170 vaccines are being worked on. There are grounds for optimism that a vaccine will be found.

Personally I disagree with the CDC representative testimony today that masks are more effective than a vaccine....but that is probably cause for debate elsewhere.

Eye!

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15 minutes ago, EYESAILOR said:

Personally I disagree with the CDC representative testimony today that masks are more effective than a vaccine....but that is probably cause for debate elsewhere.

You and Trump.

“It’s just incorrect": Trump contradicts CDC director’s testimony to Congress about COVID-19 vaccine, SEPTEMBER 16, 2020
“I think he misunderstood the questions," Trump says as he contradicts his own CDC head on masks and vaccines
https://www.salon.com/2020/09/16/its-just-incorrect-trump-contradicts-cdc-directors-testimony-to-congress-about-covid-19-vaccine_partner/

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[CDC Director Robert Redfield] told Congress on Thursday that a vaccine may be approved by the end of the year, but it will only be available at that time for a narrow group of people.

"There will be a vaccine that will initially be available sometime between November and December, but very limited supply and will have to be prioritized," he told lawmakers. "If you're asking me when is it going to be generally available to the American public so we can begin to take advantage of vaccine to get back to our regular life, I think we're probably looking at late second quarter, third quarter 2021."

He also stressed why a mask can be superior to a vaccine: "I might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine, because the immunogenicity may be 70%. And if I don't get an immune response, the vaccine is not going to protect me. This face mask will."

 

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12 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

Personally I disagree with the CDC representative testimony today that masks are more effective than a vaccine....but that is probably cause for debate elsewhere.

The CDC Head Said Masks Are Better Than Vaccines. Here’s What He Meant. September 16, 2020 by Kiera Butler, Senior Editor
Robert Redfield could work on his delivery, but he has a point.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/09/the-cdc-head-said-masks-are-better-than-vaccines-heres-what-he-meant/

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This is an essential concept for everyone in the world to understand—because if we continue to think of the vaccine as a silver bullet, the results could be disastrous. Let’s say it’s next spring, and a group of family and friends all gets the vaccine just in time for an Easter gathering. Thinking they’re no longer at risk of spreading the virus, they go to church, where they sing and socialize, then enjoy a meal together at someone’s house—all without masks. If the vaccine is only 60 percent effective, this group unwittingly could be spreading the virus far and wide.

 

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13 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

I will keep it simple:

  • CV19 is more infectious than most version of flu.  We know as a fact that it is more infectious than the flu.  We postulate that this is for 3 reasons (i) The host can be infectious before displaying symptoms  (ii) CV19 has a very high rate of shedding. A host sheds hundreds of thousands of Cv19 molecules and (iii) The molecule is quite robust in different climates.  However the reasons for the rate of infection is still being researched
  • CV19 has a significantly higher mortality rate than flu. We know this as a fact.

Blatant struggled with these facts, advocating that CV19 was no worse than an average flu. 

However in our favor,

(1) The attachment is inefficient so masks really reduce infection. The degree of correlation between wearing masks and lower rate of infection appears to bear this out.

(2) At least 6 clinical stage vaccines produce encouraging levels of antibodies. 170 vaccines are being worked on. There are grounds for optimism that a vaccine will be found.

Personally I disagree with the CDC representative testimony today that masks are more effective than a vaccine....but that is probably cause for debate elsewhere.

Eye!

As a medical professional, do you have any concerns that vaccine testing is being rushed or that negative effects are being suppressed or glossed over in an attempt to get a vaccine into production for political reasons?

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Just a regular old privately owned business.  You texans got a problem with private businesses now?  You a fucking socialist?

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Owning Libs is hard work.  Mostly cuz they just don't cooperate very well and keep wandering off.  And refuse to keep their opinions to themselves.  And always keep asking why?

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Crazy how quickly the conservative texan will 'go socialist' when someone explains to them how private enterprise actually works. 

'but muh freedoms' says Texas man.

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14 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

I will keep it simple:

  • CV19 is more infectious than most version of flu.  We know as a fact that it is more infectious than the flu.  We postulate that this is for 3 reasons (i) The host can be infectious before displaying symptoms  (ii) CV19 has a very high rate of shedding. A host sheds hundreds of thousands of Cv19 molecules and (iii) The molecule is quite robust in different climates.  However the reasons for the rate of infection is still being researched
  • CV19 has a significantly higher mortality rate than flu. We know this as a fact.

Blatant struggled with these facts, advocating that CV19 was no worse than an average flu. 

However in our favor,

(1) The attachment is inefficient so masks really reduce infection. The degree of correlation between wearing masks and lower rate of infection appears to bear this out.

(2) At least 6 clinical stage vaccines produce encouraging levels of antibodies. 170 vaccines are being worked on. There are grounds for optimism that a vaccine will be found.

Personally I disagree with the CDC representative testimony today that masks are more effective than a vaccine....but that is probably cause for debate elsewhere.

Eye!

Do you have any insights concerning this recently developed Therapeutic  ?

https://www.pittwire.pitt.edu/news/pitt-scientists-discover-tiny-antibody-component-highly-effective-preventing-and-treating-sars

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26 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

Do you have any insights concerning this recently developed Therapeutic  ?

These sorts of announcements set off alarm bells. They skipped the peer review (see Cold Fusion) and went straight to the university marketing department: Ab8 == Abate. Too clever to be an accident.

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1 hour ago, ProaSailor said:

The CDC Head Said Masks Are Better Than Vaccines. Here’s What He Meant. September 16, 2020 by Kiera Butler, Senior Editor
Robert Redfield could work on his delivery, but he has a point.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/09/the-cdc-head-said-masks-are-better-than-vaccines-heres-what-he-meant/ 

In a perfect world he would be right, if everyone was to wear masks the virus would die out in 14 days.  Unfortunately we do not live in a perfect world so we also need a vaccine.

Some cultures like Asia have a high uptake of masks and they have the virus under control but Europe and the USA seem to have a death wish.

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48 minutes ago, Terry Hollis said:

if everyone was to wear masks the virus would die out in 14 days.  Unfortunately we do not live in a perfect world so we also need a vaccine.

We should probably have this discussion elsewhere and avoid drifting this thread any further...

However, like masks, vaccines require a high rate of adoption.  It may be that some of those unwilling to wear masks will go for a vaccine but even so, it will take a long time to vaccinate 50% of the population.  If the vaccine immunogenicity is only 70% (I believe I read that emergency approval requires only 50%?) then 70% times 50% of the population is only 35% of people effectively immunized - and 65% still vulnerable.

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Stupid: “mAsK vs nonexistent vAcCine? wHich iS mOre eFfective?”

 

Sensible: multilayered response that mitigates each response strategy’s weaknesses until we have this disease under control?

Hey look there’s a leak in the ship. The bilge pumps aren’t keeping up. *hammers in a bung and random oakum and bilge pumps keep up*

Stupid: “maYbe we should instead tig weld a plate over the leak in the drydock?”

 

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6 hours ago, Ajax said:

As a medical professional, do you have any concerns that vaccine testing is being rushed or that negative effects are being suppressed or glossed over in an attempt to get a vaccine into production for political reasons?

There is another thread on this started by me.

In brief:

1. The time from pre clinical to approved vaccine is unusually short. I do not believe that the fundamental reason for this is political. I realize that some of the publicity around the vaccines are almost certainly affected by politics. I think it is inexcusable that the vaccine has become a political football and I agree that is distasteful and inappropriate, hopefully voters can see through this.

2. I dont believe the primary driver to timely vaccines is political. I think it is driven by Medical Need (This is a genuine health crisis), Previous Experience (The Vaccines for SARS1 arrived too late) and mostly a realization that pandemics can happen and due to some secular trends will happen again. We have to get better at this and one way is a faster route to vaccines. We have the science to develop vaccines faster and so now we need to plan how to execute. 

3. The way we got faster is :

(i) Genomics and BioTech allowed us to identify the DNA of CV19 molecule almost immediately

(ii) Parallel Trials.  We embarked on each phase before the prior phase was fully finished. It actually makes sense because we have the results of phase 2 before we finish phase 3 and the phase 2 trials inform the phase 3 trials in real time.

(iii) Operation warp speed which funded "at risk" production of several vaccines before any trials completed which no commercial venture would risk that capital. It makes sense for government because building and later jettisoning the factory of an unsuccessful vaccine candidate is a drop in the ocean compared to the weekly losses to the economy.

I do not believe it is political because the rapid trials are being conducted all around the world in countries of different political persuasion.

I have concerns but I also have a genuine trust of the individuals supervising the trial results. I have posted their names on the other thread. Good people who will not be swayed by political persuasion.

 

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Clean does not agree with me on this.  He has significant concerns that political leaders can influence the OVRR and FDA.  We respectfully disagree. I understand his arguments. He understands mine.

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20 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

I will keep it simple:

  • CV19 is more infectious than most version of flu.  We know as a fact that it is more infectious than the flu.  We postulate that this is for 3 reasons (i) The host can be infectious before displaying symptoms  (ii) CV19 has a very high rate of shedding. A host sheds hundreds of thousands of Cv19 molecules and (iii) The molecule is quite robust in different climates.  However the reasons for the rate of infection is still being researched
  • CV19 has a significantly higher mortality rate than flu. We know this as a fact.

Blatant struggled with these facts, advocating that CV19 was no worse than an average flu. 

However in our favor,

(1) The attachment is inefficient so masks really reduce infection. The degree of correlation between wearing masks and lower rate of infection appears to bear this out.

(2) At least 6 clinical stage vaccines produce encouraging levels of antibodies. 170 vaccines are being worked on. There are grounds for optimism that a vaccine will be found.

Personally I disagree with the CDC representative testimony today that masks are more effective than a vaccine....but that is probably cause for debate elsewhere.

Eye!

No its not.

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21 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

I will keep it simple:

  • CV19 is more infectious than most version of flu.  We know as a fact that it is more infectious than the flu.  We postulate that this is for 3 reasons (i) The host can be infectious before displaying symptoms  (ii) CV19 has a very high rate of shedding. A host sheds hundreds of thousands of Cv19 molecules and (iii) The molecule is quite robust in different climates.  However the reasons for the rate of infection is still being researched
  • CV19 has a significantly higher mortality rate than flu. We know this as a fact.

Blatant struggled with these facts, advocating that CV19 was no worse than an average flu. 

However in our favor,

(1) The attachment is inefficient so masks really reduce infection. The degree of correlation between wearing masks and lower rate of infection appears to bear this out.

(2) At least 6 clinical stage vaccines produce encouraging levels of antibodies. 170 vaccines are being worked on. There are grounds for optimism that a vaccine will be found.

Personally I disagree with the CDC representative testimony today that masks are more effective than a vaccine....but that is probably cause for debate elsewhere.

Eye!

This drives me crazy- when you say masks reduce infections, do you mean

-Universal masking?  

-Reduced infection if you’re wearing a mask and others aren’t?  

-Reduced infection if others are wearing a mask, and you aren’t?

Less than ~ 50% of the population are masking. 
 

When you say masks, are you including respirators?

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1 hour ago, EYESAILOR said:

I do not believe that the fundamental reason for this is political.
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I dont believe the primary driver to timely vaccines is political.
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I do not believe it is political because the rapid trials are being conducted all around the world in countries of different political persuasion.

Everything you say makes good sense and is appreciated EXCEPT your insistence that Trump's wish to announce a vaccine before the election is irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant.  This is just simple situational awareness, nothing more.  In politics (indeed, in many aspects of human endeavor), perception matters more than truth. 

More Than Half of Americans Worry That White House Pressure Will Lead to a Rushed Coronavirus Vaccine, SEPTEMBER 11, 2020
https://time.com/5887777/rushed-vaccine-democrats-republicans/

Most Americans worry coronavirus vaccine will be rushed by political pressure, new poll finds, September 10, 2020
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/10/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/

COVID-19 Vaccine May Pit Science Against Politics, August 27, 2020
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/08/27/906240454/covid-19-vaccine-may-pit-science-against-politics

Poll: Most Americans believe the Covid-19 vaccine approval process is driven by politics, not science, AUGUST 31, 2020
https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2020/08/31/most-americans-believe-the-covid-19-vaccine-approval-process-is-driven-by-politics-not-science/

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7 hours ago, Terry Hollis said:

In a perfect world he would be right, if everyone was to wear masks the virus would die out in 14 days.  Unfortunately we do not live in a perfect world so we also need a vaccine.

Some cultures like Asia have a high uptake of masks and they have the virus under control but Europe and the USA seem to have a death wish.

I loved it- Redfield held up a crumpled mask in his fingers, and it looked like he put the same mask on later.  That does not look like proper mask handling- I didn’t see him even using a hand sanitizer.  If this is how an MD handles his mask, what can you expect of everyone else?  Add to that his sloppy use of the word mask.  Did he lump the term respirator in with the word mask?  You have to watch these Trumpaloos- they like to tacitly play with word meanings.
 

Arrogant condescension, pure and simple.  Ban Redfield.  Ban him now.

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I sort of agree with the idea that a push for a vaccine is not all politics but I do think its more about profit. The scientists doing the work may be doing it for all the right reasons but the company bosses are just looking at the money.

There are many promising treatments being studied, some are having remarkable results in their early trials but media is almost silent on it.

Successfully treating the infected, by reducing the severity of their illness, cuts massively into the profits that could be made from a vaccine.

remdesivir was approved as a treatment pretty rapidly with some less than miraculous effectiveness, other treatments that have shown better effectiveness and less side effects are being stalled in the CDC approval or recommendation stage. Even the Remdesvir makers seem to be gaming it.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/14/gilead-should-ditch-remdesivir-and-focus-on-its-simpler-safer-ancestor/

Vaccines are just too valuable to the industry to allow people to get the idea that there are other approaches that might be just as good if not better.

Even eye here drops his blind allegiance to the experts advice when it deviates from the vaccine path.

Lets see some more talk about treatments.

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14 minutes ago, Amati said:

Redfield held up a crumpled mask in his fingers, and it looked like he put the same mask on later.  That does not look like proper mask handling

A crumpled cloth mask still does its job.  We aren't doing surgery.  For most of us, frequent use of hand sanitizer is overrated.

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5 minutes ago, ProaSailor said:

A crumpled cloth mask still does its job.  We aren't doing surgery.  For most of us, frequent use of hand sanitizer is overrated.

It’s job of protecting others? It’s job of protecting you?  The question becomes if you pick up some COVID crumbs (I know they’re not crumbs, so please bear with me) with your hand, from a table, handle the inside of your surgical mask with that hand, then put the mask on your face so your nose and mouth are touching the inside with said crumbs, do you suck those crumbs into your lungs when you breathe in?  Has the mask been tested for faulty seams, did you look at it to check the seams?  Any damage to the material?  Say around the edges?  Lack of specificity is more that inconvenient here.

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Bravo Clean. This thing is too important to allow the dissemination of horseshit

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A high-level tRump administration other than Fauci finally promotes basic mask-wearing as a valuable Covid-19 mitigation and there are people who want to criticize him for his technique.  Did he extend his pinky-finger too far when he was putting it on?  

After 7 months of failure, this isn't a country that needs schooling on the fine points mask wearing or hand-sanitizer use.  We should just cheer for anyone who wants to contradict the lies and buffoonery coming out of the Orange Deathstar.  

My uneducated take on all of this:

We know masks reduce transmission.  We will be wearing them for a long time.  A vaccine will reduce transmission and protect most who get it from Covid-19.  But it isn't going to change much in the short, mid or even long term.  

Even if we get the vaccine, and even if it gets widely distributed, until the numbers start dropping and stay down, you still better hope everyone in your city is wearing their masks if you want a re-opened economy.  

Get to be good friends with your mask.  You'll be wearing one for another year if we want to beat this thing.

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@EYESAILOR Thanks for your insight.

There's a lot of grumbling about whether or not people will get vaccinated and why.

My unscientific take on it is this:  There are many vaccines being developed and tested by multiple nations and companies. The companies developing them want the prestige of being first, being effective and being safe. It would take a conspiracy on a massive level to hide the fact that a vaccine is unsafe. It would take a conspiracy on a large level to cover up the fact that a vaccine is not effective, but probably safe.  Although profit is a huge motivator, the pharma companies know they stand to lose huge amounts of money and prestige if their vaccines end up killing people or making them sick.  Based on all of this, I feel safe taking a US and/or EU developed vaccine. 

Another factor that makes me feel safe is the fact that I'll be one of the last people to receive the vaccine. I'm not a candidate for early vaccination. I'm not really in an "at risk" category, I'm not a front-line responder or a teacher.  I'm a middle aged, middle class white guy who by many peoples' definitions should be at the very back of the line for vaccination. As such, I figure any glaring problems with the vaccines will manifest themselves long before I ever get it.

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Keep in mind also the vaccine pharmaceuticals have essentially offloaded the opportunity cost of setting up a production line to national governments in exchange for a domestic supply of vaccines - and if they were counting on making more $$$, the vaccine needs to be sellable product going forward and also internationally. 
 

Getting FDA approval is only the first hurdle - winning the international and subsequent season vaccine market is how you actually monetize. 

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22 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Crazy how quickly the conservative texan will 'go socialist' when someone explains to them how private enterprise actually works. 

'but muh freedoms' says Texas man.

lmao are you really talking about me making a wise crack? i swear you are the softest lil bitcc in the world.

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1 hour ago, Mark Set said:

lmao are you really talking about me making a wise crack? 

talking about you being, like all texans, a cuck and a snow flake. You sit in the corner while Trump throws the mushroom head into your lady.  

 

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5 hours ago, Ajax said:

@EYESAILOR Thanks for your insight.

There's a lot of grumbling about whether or not people will get vaccinated and why.

My unscientific take on it is this:  There are many vaccines being developed and tested by multiple nations and companies. The companies developing them want the prestige of being first, being effective and being safe. It would take a conspiracy on a massive level to hide the fact that a vaccine is unsafe. It would take a conspiracy on a large level to cover up the fact that a vaccine is not effective, but probably safe.  Although profit is a huge motivator, the pharma companies know they stand to lose huge amounts of money and prestige if their vaccines end up killing people or making them sick.  Based on all of this, I feel safe taking a US and/or EU developed vaccine. 

Another factor that makes me feel safe is the fact that I'll be one of the last people to receive the vaccine. I'm not a candidate for early vaccination. I'm not really in an "at risk" category, I'm not a front-line responder or a teacher.  I'm a middle aged, middle class white guy who by many peoples' definitions should be at the very back of the line for vaccination. As such, I figure any glaring problems with the vaccines will manifest themselves long before I ever get it.

Makes sense

I would also add that although we are all focused on politics etc. The reality is that many people with long careers at the OVRR and FDA place more importance on their reputation and relationships within the scientific community and sleeping well at night to get involved with any fraud.  Scientists at the FDA who have worked there for 15+ years are mostly honest people who want to be proud of doing good work. They will reject a vaccine that is unsafe and recommend approval of a vaccine that is both safe and effective.  I think it highly unlikely that an unsafe vaccine rejected by the study can somehow get pulled out from the process and approved.

More likely is that a preliminary approval is given for a vaccine that is safe and appears initially to be effective but we dont really know precisely how effective it is and how long it lasts.  The OVRR will probably be very transparent and explain that it is safe but until the trial has gone on for longer we dont know how long it will remain effective. That is okay right? Better to take something now that is safe. Control CV19 and figure out when we next need a booster down the line.

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HAHA!

Wouldn't EVERYONE who posts on this topic need to be banned since there's no real information, just the bullshit you're being fed by whores trying to sell you shit?

 

99% of it is hand wringing and pants pissing over virtually nothing, so who really gives two strokes of a limp dick anyways?

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29 minutes ago, Hatin' life said:

HAHA!

Wouldn't EVERYONE who posts on this topic need to be banned since there's no real information, just the bullshit you're being fed by whores trying to sell you shit?

 

99% of it is hand wringing and pants pissing over virtually nothing, so who really gives two strokes of a limp dick anyways?

Jaysus Karl, you really are a "glass half empty" kind of guy aren't you!

I think it's unnecessary and uncalled for to describe helpful contributors like Eyesailor as "whores", and I don't see that he/she is trying to sell anyone anything.

If you choose to ignore helpful contributions and call them pissing and moaning, that's up to you - but your view is pretty firmly in the minority, so don't bother continuing to try to sell YOUR particular brand of bullshit.

Thanks.

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The networks selling advertising are the whores.  Anything to keep you glued to the idiot box to buy something.

 

And I follow the Gary Larson approach to kinds of people.

Those that say the glass is half full, those that say it is half empty, and those who say they ordered a cheeseburger....

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1 hour ago, Hatin' life said:

HAHA!

Wouldn't EVERYONE who posts on this topic need to be banned since there's no real information, just the bullshit

Meanwhile

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COVID-19 Conspiracy Theories Are Spreading Rapidly—and They're a Public Health Risk All Their Own

 

In a University of Pennsylvania Annenberg Public Policy Center study published Monday in Social Science & Medicine, researchers surveyed a group of 840 U.S. adults—first in late March, and then again in mid-July—to determine how Americans’ beliefs and actions regarding the pandemic changed over time. Overall, they found that COVID-19 conspiracy theories are not only commonplace, they’re gaining traction. Back in March, 28% of people believed a debunked rumor that the Chinese government created the coronavirus as a bioweapon; that number rose to 37% by July. About 24% believed that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention exaggerated the virus’ danger to hurt Trump politically despite a lack of evidence; by July, that figure rose to 32%. And in March, about 15% of respondents said they believed that the pharmaceutical industry created the virus to boost drug and vaccine sales—another unfounded theory—compared to 17% in July.

Whether or not someone thinks NASA hired Stanley Kubrick to fake the moon landing has little bearing on the world beyond that person. But in the case of a pandemic—which requires people to follow public health guidance in order to keep one another safe—conspiratorial thinking can have disturbing consequences

Furthermore, people who believe COVID-19 conspiracy theories were 2.2 times less likely to say they wanted to receive a vaccine in March; by July, they were 3.5 times less likely to want to be vaccinated.

https://time.com/5891333/covid-19-conspiracy-theories/

 

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2 hours ago, Hatin' life said:

The networks selling advertising are the whores.  Anything to keep you glued to the idiot box to buy something.

 

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What’s a network?  
What is TV advertising?

Something my kids study in their history books.

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On 9/18/2020 at 1:06 AM, d'ranger said:

Owning Libs is hard work.  Mostly cuz they just don't cooperate very well and keep wandering off.  And refuse to keep their opinions to themselves.  And always keep asking why?

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2 hours ago, Hatin' life said:

The networks selling advertising are the whores.  Anything to keep you glued to the idiot box to buy something.

 

And I follow the Gary Larson approach to kinds of people.

Those that say the glass is half full, those that say it is half empty, and those who say they ordered a cheeseburger....

While I don't necessarily disagree with your first statement, it's drawing a long bow to say that it follows that there is no real information.  I think there's plenty of information and knowledge about COVID out there to assist people to protect themselves (assuming you live in a country that believes in science) and on which governments can base public policy (assuming you live in a country where the government recognises science).

There are also malicious and/or ignorant people spreading bullshit, for whatever twisted reason that I don't understand, and I applaud Clean stomping on that - would that your president adopted the same approach.

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1 hour ago, Recidivist said:

would that your president adopted the same approach.

can't see him stomping on himself anytime soon ...

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2 hours ago, Recidivist said:

There are also malicious and/or ignorant people spreading bullshit, for whatever twisted reason that I don't understand,

Most are good at it in that they source buried whackjob information or reconstruct real data to misrepresent it. That is a concerted effort to misinform not ignorance. Being easily promoted as a old people's disease is fertile ground, particularly where strong division already exists.

The "why" looks to be tribal so the usual suspects, big brother, me not wees and a political flavour from the right, but not necessarily all countries. Some conservative Governments are even split on setting response levels.

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9 hours ago, IPLore said:

What’s a network?  
What is TV advertising?

Something my kids study in their history books.

Outlets a better word for you?

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