Phil's Foils/CCI

[voodoochile 37]

What's up?  Site is down.  Hope they're still in business.

[Roleur 288]

Got a quote from them a week ago for an emergency rudder.  All seems well from the back & forth we've had.

[solosailor 367]

I also had back and forth and quotes from them a week ago.

[ryley 417]

facebook page was updated 3 days ago... probably forgot to pay their hosting bill.

[voodoochile 37]

Thanks guys.  My buddy Mayo needs some rudder work!  Got t-boned and the side force did this

[Alaris 173]

Whoa

[voodoochile 37]

Here's the "bone" hole.  A crew gal in the back of the boat fell into the cockpit and wrapped her leg under or around the tiller, compound fracture.  It was a port/starboard, other boat tacked to clear and main trimmer failed to dump the main...breeze was in the high teens/low 20's.  The boat is (was) a pristine Farr/Dickerson 37

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[TUBBY 304]

That'll take a lot of buffing!

[ROADKILL666 323]

A little duct tape and it’s good to go

[Shorthanded 730]

@voodoochile, they might also consider Larry Tuttle at WaterRat. He built our SR 33 rudder and we were very happy with it. I think he has also done the Express 37 rudder. 

[Slick470 141]

2 hours ago, voodoochile said:

Here's the "bone" hole.  A crew gal in the back of the boat fell into the cockpit and wrapped her leg under or around the tiller, compound fracture.  It was a port/starboard, other boat tacked to clear and main trimmer failed to dump the main...breeze was in the high teens/low 20's.  The boat is (was) a pristine Farr/Dickerson 37

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Ouch. Please send our condolences to Mayo and his injured crew. 

[voodoochile 37]

2 hours ago, Shorthanded said:

@voodoochile, they might also consider Larry Tuttle at WaterRat. He built our SR 33 rudder and we were very happy with it. I think he has also done the Express 37 rudder. 

Thanks Bob.  Mayo has both contacts.  

[silent bob 704]

Also, check with 40 Grit at Finco.

 

http://www.fincofab.com/rudders.php

 

[SailRacer 95]

Can you just bend the rudder shaft back?  I know that may never be possible.

I have seen some prop shafts done that way to the 100000th MM or so. (In professional Boatbuilder mag) . 

 

Sail safe!

[steph2ma 3]

Leroi-thanks for the leads on the rubber assembly. 

Bob-this is Mark from the Eluthera Race. The injured crew gal is my wife Melissa. 

Hope all are well.

Sail safe. 

 

[Shorthanded 730]

7 minutes ago, steph2ma said:

Leroi-thanks for the leads on the rubber assembly. 

Bob-this is Mark from the Eluthera Race. The injured crew gal is my wife Melissa. 

Hope all are well.

Sail safe. 

 

Oh man, sorry to hear that. Hope all is well and that she is on the mend. 

[gspot 170]

On 9/27/2020 at 5:34 AM, voodoochile said:

Thanks guys.  My buddy Mayo needs some rudder work!  Got t-boned and the side force did this

 

1 hour ago, SailRacer said:

Can you just bend the rudder shaft back? 

Sure, just re-install the rudder and T-bone the other side of the boat!

[voodoochile 37]

5 minutes ago, steph2ma said:

Leroi-thanks for the leads on the rubber assembly. 

Bob-this is Mark from the Eluthera Race. The injured crew gal is my wife Melissa. 

Hope all are well.

Sail safe. 

 

Hey Mark.  Yea, I didn't want to use real names.  I sent her an email, may have had the wrong address.  Glad you're following the thread, there are several good rudder people and a shaft re-alignment may be a possibility.  We're all pulling for a speedy recovery.  

[steph2ma 3]

L-Many thanks. Not yet sure what will happen with rudder/shaft. Thanks for the well wishes on the recovery. 

[TUBBY 304]

Hope the damage to your wife was less serious and quicker to fix than the rudder.

Any wife that will race on a boat with her husband is a keeper and should be cared for at all times.

[Retired BN 10]

Mark, sorry to hear about Melissa. Hope she heals up quickly. Miss those Youngstown days with the two of you.

 

[Little Wood Boats 49]

On 9/28/2020 at 3:19 PM, gspot said:

 

Sure, just re-install the rudder and T-bone the other side of the boat!

An alignment jig and a press would be easier.  The shaft section we can see is not difficult to straighten.

[krikkitman 7]

Straightening is certainly a possibility, but it can (I'm told) also create stress points that might cause unexpected failure (read "sudden departure of the rudder from the boat") down the line. From that point of view, provided it's the insurance company paying, it might be worth insisting on new. It adds a few weeks to the process, but from the looks of things the rudder will likely be built and delivered before the boat itself is finished being repaired.

Ruddercraft in Idaho did good work for me when my rudder got bust up by one of the West Coast's notorious deadhead logs (the impact bent the shaft and spilt open the top of the blade).

https://ruddercraft.com

[rico 32]

My instinct is insurance + Peter in Whitby for the hull + Phil and team in Ottawa for the rudder. Thoughts and best wishes to the injured as most important. This isn't a contact support. Take care out there please. 

[ryley 417]

fwiw the site is back up

http://cci.one/site/marine/foils-a-z/?doing_wp_cron=1601569412.3745429515838623046875

[gspot 170]

13 hours ago, krikkitman said:

Straightening is certainly a possibility, but it can (I'm told) also create stress points that might cause unexpected failure (read "sudden departure of the rudder from the boat") down the line. From that point of view, provided it's the insurance company paying, it might be worth insisting on new.

I think there's already a stress point from the discontinuity in tube thicknesses which I would be concerned about - the tube should ideally be the same thickness throughout IMHO.

[basketcase 404]

12 hours ago, rico said:

My instinct is insurance + Peter in Whitby for the hull + Phil and team in Ottawa for the rudder. Thoughts and best wishes to the injured as most important. This isn't a contact support. Take care out there please. 

Peter at custom yacht builder would be an awesome choice. 

[12 metre 365]

A problem with straightening a bent shaft is that once bent, it has gone beyond elastic strain into plastic strain.  So work hardening. has taken place, which increases the yield stress but decreases ductility. 

In other words, you end up with a more brittle shaft once straightened.