Daysailer for old people

[Raz'r 3,241]

Alerion 28 or that cold molded Rozinante

[socalrider 387]

This is adorable.  Parents like.

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/herreshoff-prudence-3646973/

 

 

 

 

 

[JimBowie 328]

O hell, you only live once, get a Melges 24 and watch em smile.

[European Bloke 423]

6 hours ago, JimBowie said:

O hell, you only live once, get a Melges 24 and watch em smile.

The only place they'll piss in a 24 is their pants.

[Bristol-Cruiser 989]

12 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Roomy little bugger, too. Plus it has an inboard.

They made them with two interiors and with both inboards and outboards. The one above is the way to go. They have maintained their value since they make such good sense. The CW Hood 32 is pure boat pornography. What a beautiful thing.

[Crash 525]

If you’re going that kinda route (Nonsuch 22), what about a Compac 23?   It would be a little more responsive (lower Disp/length), Outboard is easy to reach (or can be had with an onboard) and looks better to my eye...

https://www.com-pacyachts.com/trailerable-cruisers/23-photogallery.html

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/com-pac-23-mk-3

 

[socalrider 387]

25 minutes ago, Crash said:

If you’re going that kinda route (Nonsuch 22), what about a Compac 23?   It would be a little more responsive (lower Disp/length), Outboard is easy to reach (or can be had with an onboard) and looks better to my eye...

https://www.com-pacyachts.com/trailerable-cruisers/23-photogallery.html

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/com-pac-23-mk-3

Thanks - that is attractive but none within 1500 miles it seems.  Still surprised at how little there is available locally; I really would like to get them on the boat before buying & with COVID it's hard to get out of SoCal. 

14 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Alerion 28 or that cold molded Rozinante

Alerion 28 is still top of my list if I can find one.  The closest available is in Idaho!  At least it has a trailer.  

I went and saw the Rozinante and she had 6" of water in her bilge.  Broker says it was from wash downs but I'm pretty sure it was salt.  In the end she's too much of a project - needs at a minimum a new engine and all new through-hulls, plus figuring out the water ingress if it is indeed an issue.  Gorgeous boat for the right person though.  

[bmiller 729]

Cape Dory 25 on a trailer. This is beautiful.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/boa/d/wenatchee-1972-cape-dory-25-hull-5-with/7220254228.html

 

 

[socalrider 387]

7 minutes ago, bmiller said:

Cape Dory 25 on a trailer. This is beautiful.

Really nice!  Thanks!

[Hukilau 127]

15 hours ago, socalrider said:

This is adorable.  Parents like.

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/herreshoff-prudence-3646973/

 

 

 

 

 

What a beauty!  That's the kind of boat you get when you can afford to pay someone else to take care of the exterior teak.  And you can drop a deuce while making breakfast!  Bonus!

[Kolibri 108]

20 hours ago, socalrider said:

This is adorable.  Parents like.

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/herreshoff-prudence-3646973/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah...that Herreshoff is beautiful. Looks like it's in a marina just down the road from where I keep Kolibri. 

 

[Bull City 1,469]

On 10/28/2020 at 11:24 PM, socalrider said:

This is adorable.  Parents like.

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/herreshoff-prudence-3646973/

 

 

 

 

 

I don't blame them. It seems like a good value too. Is it a centerboard?

Did/does Maynard Bray own a Prudence?

[socalrider 387]

3 hours ago, Bull City said:

I don't blame them. It seems like a good value too. Is it a centerboard?

Did/does Maynard Bray own a Prudence?

No centerboard. Pretty shallow full keel.  
 

Got a pic of the cockpit; pretty small and companionway access looks awkward - guess that’s where the aux engine goes. Asked for some measurements. Wish she was local. 
 

 

[Kolibri 108]

1 hour ago, socalrider said:

No centerboard. Pretty shallow full keel.  
 

Got a pic of the cockpit; pretty small and companionway access looks awkward - guess that’s where the aux engine goes. Asked for some measurements. Wish she was local. 
 

 

If she's located where I think she is it's a very short Uber ride from San Francisco airport. You could do a quick day trip from San Diego to check her out.

[socalrider 387]

5 hours ago, Bull City said:

Did/does Maynard Bray own a Prudence?

Yes!  Cool.  His is listed as a center oars sloop with 2’ draft versus the 3’ listed in YW  

https://www.woodenboat.com/register-wooden-boats/lily-1

1 hour ago, Kolibri said:

If she's located where I think she is it's a very short Uber ride from San Francisco airport. You could do a quick day trip from San Diego to check her out.

That’s definitely a next step. Trying my best to learn more to avoid a potential wasted day first. 

[SemiSalt 196]

I don't see the Prudence as being a good choice. It's an 80-year-old design meant for cruising. Displaces approx 7000lbs (published numbers vary). Designed for cruising, not daysailing.  I think any of the Albergs would be a better choice. The Sea Sprite or Cape Dory 22 weigh half of what the Prudence weighs, and will be much more responsive under sail. 

Better yet is the Bridges Point 24. Joel White design. Two models: daysailer and weekender. Much more fun to sail than a Prudence. Will definitely sail nicely in light air where the Prudence is stuck as if in mud.

[SemiSalt 196]

[Bull City 1,469]

1 hour ago, SemiSalt said:

I don't see the Prudence as being a good choice. It's an 80-year-old design meant for cruising. Displaces approx 7000lbs (published numbers vary). Designed for cruising, not daysailing.  I think any of the Albergs would be a better choice. The Sea Sprite or Cape Dory 22 weigh half of what the Prudence weighs, and will be much more responsive under sail. 

Better yet is the Bridges Point 24. Joel White design. Two models: daysailer and weekender. Much more fun to sail than a Prudence. Will definitely sail nicely in light air where the Prudence is stuck as if in mud.

You're probably. I don't know about the conditions Socal's parents will have on San Diego bay.

[socalrider 387]

1 hour ago, SemiSalt said:

I don't see the Prudence as being a good choice. It's an 80-year-old design meant for cruising. Displaces approx 7000lbs (published numbers vary). Designed for cruising, not daysailing.  I think any of the Albergs would be a better choice. The Sea Sprite or Cape Dory 22 weigh half of what the Prudence weighs, and will be much more responsive under sail. 

Better yet is the Bridges Point 24. Joel White design. Two models: daysailer and weekender. Much more fun to sail than a Prudence. Will definitely sail nicely in light air where the Prudence is stuck as if in mud.

Good points. I found some numbers on the Prudence here. 7000lbs, and 1600lbs displacement with a 3’ draft sounds pretty brutal for day sailing in 8kts. Would have to time it around the tides!

Love that Morris 36. There’s a Morris 29 available here but asking $150k! 
 

Bridges Point 24 looks fantastic. None on W coast tho. 

[Crash 525]

The right boat in the wrong place is way better than the wrong boat in the right place..,

[Veeger 310]

14 hours ago, Kolibri said:

If she's located where I think she is it's a very short Uber ride from San Francisco airport. You could do a quick day trip from San Diego to check her out.

 

15 hours ago, socalrider said:

No centerboard. Pretty shallow full keel.  
 

Got a pic of the cockpit; pretty small and companionway access looks awkward - guess that’s where the aux engine goes. Asked for some measurements. Wish she was local. 
 

 

Bridge deck, main sheet to the bridge deck (almost worse than a traveler), deck level cockpit seating, coaming to low for adequate back rest.  Another ‘cute’ boat of pain.  (At least for older folks who are only going to daysail)

 

As to the Bridges Point 24, there’s this:   https://www.ecys.com/boat/2008/bridges-point/24/2236/

Or this:  https://www.ecys.com/boat/2018/bridges-point/24/2221/  (More money but perfect for your folks)

[See Level 663]

Here's an interesting one in Portland, looks like a stock Cascade 29 hull built into a daysailer.

https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/boa/d/portland-29-mega-daysailor/7221235045.html

[Bull City 1,469]

1 hour ago, See Level said:

Here's an interesting one in Portland, looks like a stock Cascade 29 hull built into a daysailer.

https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/boa/d/portland-29-mega-daysailor/7221235045.html

Take the whole senior center! (Sh*t! That includes me!)

[Alan H 421]

Actually, that Cascade wouldn't be such a bad deal...

[Moore Play 13]

I understand that this is NOT the asthetic you desire, but consider... Few trippers forward, (raised deck version), easy to handle, surprsing turn of speed, maybe a Torqueedo (remote contol?), in the well, a large cockpit that you can sit in, or lie doiwn & even sleep in, or, easily accomodate & invite 2 - 3 friends for a comfortable daysail, room for a porta potty below, (but yeah, gotta close the compainonway for some of the ladies),  faiirly dry. But also, pennies on the dollar compared to a lot of the other options you are considering. Sure,... Far from ideal and you have to find one in good condition because, like many of us.... They are old now.... Just throwing it out there as a possible consideration. Its a yare, happy, stiff and friendly companion. I sailed inter-island multiple times one one. Legend had it that Elvis, yes, the King, sailed on the same boat once or twice, while he was filming "Blue Hawaii", or  some film here, however, that's just heresay. It was on the hard, under cover, in a shed on Coconut Island with a hole in the bow, when my good friend "aquired" her in an estate sale, when the island changed hands in the late "80's. But thats another story

 

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1965/columbia-24-contender-3523486/

  

[slap 399]

1 hour ago, Moore Play said:

I understand that this is NOT the asthetic you desire, but consider... Few trippers forward, (raised deck version), easy to handle, surprsing turn of speed, maybe a Torqueedo (remote contol?), in the well, a large cockpit that you can sit in, or lie doiwn & even sleep in, or, easily accomodate & invite 2 - 3 friends for a comfortable daysail, room for a porta potty below, (but yeah, gotta close the compainonway for some of the ladies),  faiirly dry. But also, pennies on the dollar compared to a lot of the other options you are considering. Sure,... Far from ideal and you have to find one in good condition because, like many of us.... They are old now.... Just throwing it out there as a possible consideration. Its a yare, happy, stiff and friendly companion. I sailed inter-island multiple times one one. Legend had it that Elvis, yes, the King, sailed on the same boat once or twice, while he was filming "Blue Hawaii", or  some film here, however, that's just heresay. It was on the hard, under cover, in a shed on Coconut Island with a hole in the bow, when my good friend "aquired" her in an estate sale, when the island changed hands in the late "80's. But thats another story

 

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1965/columbia-24-contender-3523486/

  

It's a Columbia 24 Challenger, not the Contender.  Same hull, different deck.   PHRF is 258.

I had a Columbia 24 Contender back in the early 1980's.   Amazing watching the hull flex.

[Moore Play 13]

Ouch!!!  Slap,=  hard to figure out some of the early Columbia's. Difference between what is a Challenger &/or a Contender orContender-Challenger = hard to figure out. Point remains the same, I posted an add that showed the same hull & deck that I sailed on.  

[socalrider 387]

 

 

Light, cheap, practical, good cockpit layout. Mom will never go for it ‘cause it looks like a suppository. 

Honestly if it was local I’d try pushing it as I’m worried they’ll burn through their remaining potential sailing time looking for the “perfect” boat. Just get out there!

[bmiller 729]

On 10/29/2020 at 12:02 PM, bmiller said:

Cape Dory 25 on a trailer. This is beautiful.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/boa/d/wenatchee-1972-cape-dory-25-hull-5-with/7220254228.html

 

 

Sale pending, that didn't take long. Must be a nice boat.

[yoyo 87]

9 hours ago, socalrider said:

they’ll burn through their remaining potential sailing time looking for the “perfect” boat. Just get out there!

yes - get something in reasonable shape, functional and just go sailing is a great idea.  Every boat has compromises.

Didn't So Cal have a bunch of Victory 21's.  Maybe you can dig one up for cheap.  Just throw a small outboard bracket on transom with electric outboard.

[dolphinmaster 83]

I like your idea of keeping an eye out for a turn of speed,  nothing like always constantly fighting the lighter breezes with an adverse tide in an attractive 3.5 knsb  to dampen the sailing experience.

[socalrider 387]

4 hours ago, bmiller said:

Sale pending, that didn't take long. Must be a nice boat.

Yep  really liked that one  

I’m next in line if the sale falls through. Owner seems like a nice guy too. 

[bmiller 729]

2 minutes ago, socalrider said:

Yep  really liked that one  

I’m next in line if the sale falls through. Owner seems like a nice guy too. 

Just out of curiosity, if you found a suitable boat on a trailer, within a reasonable distance, do you have the capability to haul it home? 

If you found one in Colorado I'd haul it out for a couple daysails and fuel. Would love to escape the cold.

[socalrider 387]

4 minutes ago, bmiller said:

Just out of curiosity, if you found a suitable boat on a trailer, within a reasonable distance, do you have the capability to haul it home? 

If you found one in Colorado I'd haul it out for a couple daysails and fuel. Would love to escape the cold.

Thanks!  Wow - no I don’t have a tow vehicle; would have to hire someone or rent a truck. I’ll keep your generous offer  in mind!

[bmiller 729]

This guy is steadily dropping his price, still pretty expensive.

Mom and dad could spend a night out!

https://denver.craigslist.org/boa/d/dillon-2006-seaward-26rk/7199638436.html

And this is in San Diego

https://sailingtexas.com/202001/smontgomery17167.html

[SemiSalt 196]

I've been meaning to point out that one of our sponsors on this page builds a boat that might merit consideration. 
The budget might even stretch to new boat, and they have a keel model with 400 lbs of ballast that would make capsize an impossibility in anything short of a thunderstorm. 

Designed by the very same Montgomery as in the previous post.

[SemiSalt 196]

I also got to wondering what might be available around my area (western CT). Here are two.

https://providence.craigslist.org/boa/d/east-greenwich-family-daysailer/7201089799.html

https://providence.craigslist.org/boa/d/portsmouth-sea-sprite-23/7217235048.html

 

[bmiller 729]

22 minutes ago, SemiSalt said:

I've been meaning to point out that one of our sponsors on this page builds a boat that might merit consideration. 
The budget might even stretch to new boat, and they have a keel model with 400 lbs of ballast that would make capsize an impossibility in anything short of a thunderstorm. 

Designed by the very same Montgomery as in the previous post.

And those are made right here in Colorado. 

[socalrider 387]

1 hour ago, SemiSalt said:

I also got to wondering what might be available around my area (western CT). Here are two.

https://providence.craigslist.org/boa/d/east-greenwich-family-daysailer/7201089799.html

https://providence.craigslist.org/boa/d/portsmouth-sea-sprite-23/7217235048.html

 

Those look just perfect. Wish they were closer!  

[Bull City 1,469]

Here is a woody on the West Coast with a distinctive aesthetic :

SAVE THIS RARE CLASSIC!! All offers considered! If you are in the market for an antique, look no further than this 1938 Custom 30 San Francisco Bird Boat, just reduced to $7,500 (offers encouraged). This sailboat is located in Vallejo, California and is in need of some [a ton of] work.

https://moreboats.com/boats/custom/30-san-francisco-bird-boat/9670

[socalrider 387]

4 minutes ago, Bull City said:

Here is a woody on the West Coast with a distinctive aesthetic :

I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy!  
 

If I were to burden our family with a wooden boat it might be this one

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/boa/d/dana-point-25-ft-sailboat-classic-beauty/7221486490.html

 

[kinardly 157]

Socal, I forget, has anyone mentioned a Cal 20? You said you keep your boat at HIWM, there's a beauty in full restoration glory right opposite the deli in the first slip. Just as an example of what love can do to a tried and true, nothing fancy plastic classic.

[CriticalPath 75]

1 hour ago, Bull City said:

Here is a woody on the West Coast with a distinctive aesthetic :

 

1 hour ago, socalrider said:

I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy! 

Well gents, far be it for me to step in where I don't know much, but back in 1977 when I was a young whippersnapper I went on a trip to San Francisco with my dad.  The bay was home to a very active racing fleet of the Bird boats, one was owned by our host (who also owned a Bertram 42 powerboat and an Islander 36, another active one design class in San Francisco at the time).  We got out for a race on the Bird and it was a once-in-a-lifetime experience - I manned the pumps more than a few times!

So although the boat's aesthetics are somewhat unique, Birds have an awesome history on the Bay...

 

 

Cheers!

PS:  While visiting our host's fleet at the St. Francis Yacht Club, I also had the fortune to tour the Islander 36's slip-mate (a pretty well-known Holland 40 in several hues of green named Imp) and meet it's fun owner Dave Allen...

[Veeger 310]

1 hour ago, CriticalPath said:

 

Well gents, far be it for me to step in where I don't know much, but back in 1977 when I was a young whippersnapper I went on a trip to San Francisco with my dad.  The bay was home to a very active racing fleet of the Bird boats, one was owned by our host (who also owned a Bertram 42 powerboat and an Islander 36, another active one design class in San Francisco at the time).  We got out for a race on the Bird and it was a once-in-a-lifetime experience - I manned the pumps more than a few times!

So although the boat's aesthetics are somewhat unique, Birds have an awesome history on the Bay...

 

 

Cheers!

PS:  While visiting our host's fleet at the St. Francis Yacht Club, I also had the fortune to tour the Islander 36's slip-mate (a pretty well-known Holland 40 in several hues of green named Imp) and meet it's fun owner Dave Allen...

True, a well respected, iconic Bay Area design.... but undercanvassed for Dago.

[socalrider 387]

17 minutes ago, Veeger said:

True, a well respected, iconic Bay Area design.... but undercanvassed for Dago.

Yeah, and...

[socalrider 387]

2 hours ago, kinardly said:

Socal, I forget, has anyone mentioned a Cal 20? You said you keep your boat at HIWM, there's a beauty in full restoration glory right opposite the deli in the first slip. Just as an example of what love can do to a tried and true, nothing fancy plastic classic.

We kept our old First 405 there. Trawler is at Kona Kai. I’ll take a look next time I’m over there - there is certainly a lot of appeal in a well kept simple classic plastic if we could find a good one.
 

I’d probably have better luck selling something like a Pearson Ensign though. They seem to like the Alberg lines almost as much as Herreshoff. Not sure if I can get them to make the next leap to Lapworth. 

[rstone 42]

 

Alberg/Pearson weekender with a long tiller.

 https://m.sailboatlistings.com/photographs/74589#commanderbeautydockquarter.jpg

[socalrider 387]

2 hours ago, rstone said:

 

Alberg/Pearson weekender with a long tiller.

 https://m.sailboatlistings.com/photographs/74589#commanderbeautydockquarter.jpg

Is your tiler pilot connected or are you just happy to see me?

Gorgeous!  2 yr old ad, but good to see such a nice example. 

[On The Hard 340]

I know this isn't a good recommendation for the OP, but this thread got me to thinking. Now that I'm past 60 the prospects of ever doing anything more than day sailing is just wishful thinking. Other than maybe an occasional charter. If I was going to buy a boat today, (for me) I would look hard at the J100. Much simpler than the racier J Boats, clean and uncluttered down below. Low and sleek like many of the classics posted previously. Inboard engine is a plus

[socalrider 387]

2 minutes ago, On The Hard said:

I know this isn't a good recommendation for the OP, but this thread got me to thinking. Now that I'm past 60 the prospects of ever doing anything more than day sailing is just wishful thinking. Other than maybe an occasional charter. If I was going to buy a boat today, (for me) I would look hard at the J100. Much simpler than the racier J Boats, clean and uncluttered down below. Low and sleek like many of the classics posted previously. Inboard engine is a plus

I think that is a good recommendation - I've looked for one after drooling for a while over the J/92S I linked above which I concluded would be pretty much a purely selfish recommendation, particularly with the lack of cockpit coamings.  There's only one J/100 on the West Coast, and they're asking $95k for her, which seems way high.  I don't love the traveler bisecting the cockpit, but otherwise I think they'd do great as an alternative to the Alerion 28.

[On The Hard 340]

On 11/1/2020 at 6:21 PM, rstone said:

 

Alberg/Pearson weekender with a long tiller.

 https://m.sailboatlistings.com/photographs/74589#commanderbeautydockquarter.jpg

Commanders were very popular in Corpus Christi back in the 60's and early 70's. Partly because they held up well in a blow. Perhaps not ideal for SD

[Bull City 1,469]

Saw this on the front page:

https://www.rieffboats.com/rieff-28

[Dilligaf0220 102]

Like most things on most public internet forums, everything after the first page is just noise.  

My vote is for an inboard Nonsuch 22, or if looks are important a McVay Bluenose.  Two totally different boats, but both make old sailor people happy.

[Bull City 1,469]

@socalrider You know, as one close to your mom and dad in age, if they can afford it, I think they should not worry about transporting the boat they want. This may be their last sailboat, and it should be the one they want. My current H-Boat may be my last boat. I had it moved from Rhode Island, and then spent more than made $ sense on the re-fit and I've gotten a great deal of enjoyment sailing her.

[socalrider 387]

1 hour ago, Bull City said:

@socalrider You know, as one close to your mom and dad in age, if they can afford it, I think they should not worry about transporting the boat they want. This may be their last sailboat, and it should be the one they want. My current H-Boat may be my last boat. I had it moved from Rhode Island, and then spent more than made $ sense on the re-fit and I've gotten a great deal of enjoyment sailing her.

Yes - it’s not so much the transport cost as the time and effort in getting out to see the boat while COVID is raging. Less of an issue with a production boat if we can find one locally (like the A28) to compare. 

[Bull City 1,469]

51 minutes ago, socalrider said:

Yes - it’s not so much the transport cost as the time and effort in getting out to see the boat while COVID is raging. Less of an issue with a production boat if we can find one locally (like the A28) to compare. 

When I bought the H-Boat, I had the good fortune to see one about a three hour drive away. I liked the boat, but it had some issues, and I passed on it. A few months later, I located the boat I ended up buying. I was able to arrange for a surveyor to give it a "Pre-survey Inspection" or some such term, for a couple of hundred dollars, to judge whether it was worth a trip and a  full survey. It worked out well.

[bmiller 729]

Has the Yankee Dolphin been mentioned?

This one is beautiful and has a trailer.

https://au.yachtworld.com/boats/1968/yankee-dolphin-sloop-2846625/

 

[Bull City 1,469]

29 minutes ago, bmiller said:

Has the Yankee Dolphin been mentioned?

This one is beautiful and has a trailer.

https://au.yachtworld.com/boats/1968/yankee-dolphin-sloop-2846625/

 

@socalrider Lovely boat!

[kinardly 157]

3 hours ago, Bull City said:

@socalrider Lovely boat!

That it is but I would venture to say it wouldn't be my kind of boat on San Diego bay. It's a decent sized bay but it's getting pretty crowded and I suspect that tacking all the time with that long, cutaway keel would get old. At my age (74) I really like being able to settle into a new tack for a while.

[bmiller 729]

Here's a bargain, and the owner equipped it for seniors raising the mast.

https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/88936

Gin Pole (for seniors) to assist raising mast 

[Bull City 1,469]

My senior wife told me years ago that if I ever again bought a sailboat to trailer, count her out. 

1 hour ago, bmiller said:

to assist raising mast 

 

[slap 399]

50 minutes ago, Bull City said:

My senior wife told me years ago that if I ever again bought a sailboat to trailer, count her out. 

 

So what did your junior wife have to say?

[SemiSalt 196]

I can't identify this one. I think it's not any of the Alerions; they all seem to have teak handholds on the cabin top.

[Ishmael 5,757]

34 minutes ago, SemiSalt said:

I can't identify this one. I think it's not any of the Alerions; they all seem to have teak handholds on the cabin top.

J100?

[socalrider 387]

38 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

J100?

Pretty sure that’s right. Would love a J100.   Used to see them for $70k or so. Couple on the market now for $100. 

[B dock 47]

Get the J100 and call Scott Easom (Easom Rigging) in Richmond to electrify it for you.  He just did his own J100. All sails are controlled by below deck electric winches.  Halyards, jib sheet and main sheet, jib furler, and traveler are all controlled by hand held remote.  It is pretty trick and definitely senior sailor friendly.

 

see video on his facebook page

 

https://www.facebook.com/Easom-Rigging-Racing-201431889867295/

[Matagi 718]

There are some nice daysailers from dutch yards, all with a focus in eade of sailing, here are three I like very much:

Saffier 23, open, note the neat self-tacking jib. Can be quite capable in a chop, especially with a sprayhood.

Day.M8

D-23, smaller, from Damarin, very nice cabin, like the old Victoires.

 

[dolphinmaster 83]

On 11/10/2020 at 8:03 PM, socalrider said:

Pretty sure that’s right. Would love a J100.   Used to see them for $70k or so. Couple on the market now for $100. 

It’s only money, the smiles of sailing in that magic groove available with one of these, worth the coin for your parents, resale is high later.

[wick 20]

On 11/7/2020 at 4:32 AM, Dilligaf0220 said:

Like most things on most public internet forums, everything after the first page is just noise.  

My vote is for an inboard Nonsuch 22, or if looks are important a McVay Bluenose.  Two totally different boats, but both make old sailor people happy.

We sailed a Nonsuch 22 for 5 years. Would work well as a day sailer. Ours was the O/B model but there is no reaching over the transom. Nice cutout around the tiller for OB access. 

[Alan H 421]

https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/boa/d/newport-beach-race-ready-harbor-20-new/7229929926.html

 

There it is. Harbor 20 for sale.  Would'ja just go buy the thing? LOL

[longy 455]

I believe an interior head was added to requirements?

[Steam Flyer 4,748]

5 hours ago, longy said:

I believe an interior head was added to requirements?

As opposed to the exterior head?

FB- Doug

[efrank 85]

My grandpa had a Stonehorse 23.  It was a great little boat.  Beautiful, fun to sail, with a little inboard diesel.  This pic just stolen off the interwebs.

 

[SemiSalt 196]

26 minutes ago, efrank said:

My grandpa had a Stonehorse 23.  It was a great little boat.  Beautiful, fun to sail, with a little inboard diesel.  This pic just stolen off the interwebs.

 

The fiberglass Stone Horses were very well built and finished. Popular among the same New Englanders who might otherwise sail a 12 1/2.

I sat in the cockpit of one at a boat show 4 decades or so ago, and it wasn't ...quite what I expected in the width of seat and depth of footwell,  so I advise a personal visit.

[Veeger 310]

13 hours ago, SemiSalt said:

The fiberglass Stone Horses were very well built and finished. Popular among the same New Englanders who might otherwise sail a 12 1/2.

I sat in the cockpit of one at a boat show 4 decades or so ago, and it wasn't ...quite what I expected in the width of seat and depth of footwell,  so I advise a personal visit.

Classic, evocative, cute,  dream maker,

 

3.19 knot sh**box...(if yer lucky)

[Cruisin Loser 1,337]

19 hours ago, Veeger said:

Classic, evocative, cute,  dream maker,

 

3.19 knot sh**box...(if yer lucky)

I was invited aboard a bigger one, I think in the '70's, to smoke some pot with a couple of very pretty girls. It was amazingly roomy below. Who cares how fast it was?

 

On November 10, 2020 at 7:03 PM, socalrider said:

Pretty sure that’s right. Would love a J100.   Used to see them for $70k or so. Couple on the market now for $100. 

I've been watching his thread with great interest, as I've kind of been jonesing for cool daysailor/beer can racer to keep on Narragansett bay, we have a family home next door to a yacht club there. I don't really want to keep Restive there, as offshore, Maine and Nova Scotia are her natural habitat. 

I love, who doesn't, the BBY Eggemoggin 47, but really don't need a $650k daysailor.  The problem is, I've driven one, and it's seductive beyond belief. 

This J100 is piquing my interest. Seems almost perfect for the mission, at 1/2 the price of a Center Harbor 31.

[fufkin 357]

Maybe check out the Dolphin Maxi 33. Hands down the best looking day sailer I’ve laid eyes on.

[Ishmael 5,757]

3 minutes ago, fufkin said:

Maybe check out the Dolphin Maxi 33. Hands down the best looking day sailer I’ve laid eyes on.

It has stanchions and lifelines and stuff. That's not very manly.

Sexy boat. I'm guessing there isn't an aft cabin.

[fufkin 357]

5 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

It has stanchions and lifelines and stuff. That's not very manly.

Sexy boat. I'm guessing there isn't an aft cabin.

Ha!

Stanchions yes. She’s meant to be raced as well and can be set up in a running backstay configuration.

 Aft cabin...not so much, but there is a lux but headroom challenged place down below ideal for an emergency afternoon snooze...as well as a hideaway head. There’s also a dedicated space for a portable cooler below the cockpit sole.

[Veeger 310]

1 hour ago, Cruisin Loser said:

I was invited aboard a bigger one, I think in the '70's, to smoke some pot with a couple of very pretty girls. It was amazingly roomy below. Who cares how fast it was?

 

 

I love, who doesn't, the BBY Eggemoggin 47, but really don't need a $650k daysailor.  The problem is, I've driven one, and it's seductive beyond belief. 

This J100 is piquing my interest. Seems almost perfect for the mission, at 1/2 the price of a Center Harbor 31.

Yep, speed isn't essential.  I sailed on one in Hawaii some years back.  For a Stonehorse, Kaneohe Bay was an epic voyage (just from one end to the Sandbar and back).  The beer was cold.  I cruised an 18' catboat on the coast of Maine even more years back... slow and steady got me wherever I wanted to go and every trip was a Journey.

On the other hand, SoCal might be a bit boring for an afternoon at 3 knots. YMMV.

I agree though, who NEEDS a $650,000 daysailer?  I'm just thinking about a $400,000 one... that would be a NEED.... (waterline is good for a daysailer here amongst the currents and light airs of the PNW---3 knots of boat speed and you'll feel like a leaf on the brook out back... 

[socalrider 387]

1 hour ago, Veeger said:

I agree though, who NEEDS a $650,000 daysailer?  I'm just thinking about a $400,000 one... that would be a NEED.... (waterline is good for a daysailer here amongst the currents and light airs of the PNW---3 knots of boat speed and you'll feel like a leaf on the brook out back... 

O, reason not the need! Our basest beggars

Are in the poorest thing superfluous.

Allow not nature more than nature needs,

Man’s life’s as cheap as beast’s.

[socalrider 387]

2 hours ago, fufkin said:

Maybe check out the Dolphin Maxi 33. Hands down the best looking day sailer I’ve laid eyes on.

That is indeed a sexy beast!  There was one on the market here several years ago; haven’t seen one since. 
 

I continue to be amazed at how thin the inventory is here. Parents are a bit distracted with a remodel project and the weather is getting cooler so enthusiasm has waned a bit... ideally we’d find something local and I could get them to jump on it. 

[longy 455]

There was one of these (or a similar type) here in San Diego. Never really went sailing, on the market in a couple of years. Don't know where it sold to. SF?

[Bull City 1,469]

20 hours ago, Cruisin Loser said:

This J100 is piquing my interest. Seems almost perfect for the mission, at 1/2 the price of a Center Harbor 31.

There's a lot to like about the J100. It's simple, it's got a tiller. I get the impression from the PR photos that it's suited for single handing, but the Ballast/Displacement is .38, which strikes me as kinda tippy. 

[sailpower 6]

17 hours ago, socalrider said:

That is indeed a sexy beast!  There was one on the market here several years ago; haven’t seen one since. 
 

I continue to be amazed at how thin the inventory is here. Parents are a bit distracted with a remodel project and the weather is getting cooler so enthusiasm has waned a bit... ideally we’d find something local and I could get them to jump on it. 

Isn't that Harbor 20 in Newport Beach pretty close to San Diego?

[Crash 525]

2 hours ago, Bull City said:

There's a lot to like about the J100. It's simple, it's got a tiller. I get the impression from the PR photos that it's suited for single handing, but the Ballast/Displacement is .38, which strikes me as kinda tippy. 

Yeah, it might at first seem that way due to the .38 ratio, but because it’s a bulb keel (vice a Peterson-esque trapezoidal fin) with a much lower cg, the weight of the ballast can be lower and still achieve required righting moment/stiffness.  Like many sailboat ratios, ballast/displacement ratios are really only useful in comparing “similar” boats with similar relevant design features.