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Do you actually know what Democracy is ?

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No.  Americans believe in "FREEDOM".  Where they do whatever they want, fuck over their neighbors and everyone else, and if they can get away with it then it's all good.

I'll keep saying it.

We have no Society.  Our culture is a get yours and fuck everyone else mindset.  My 15 year old son has a saying he brought home from school, and it's very appropriate to our country.

"That sounds like a YOU problem."

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America --- an experiment in democracy which has turned into a case of unrestricted capitalism gone very wrong.

A society where 99% of the people are varying degrees of dumb worker/consumer drones, brainwashed by crap education, crap TV/social media, crap politicians, crap religion.

Give them the illusion of freedom, some "other folks" to hate, lots of noisy gas-guzzling toys and guns,  booze drugs movies sports and more religion, then work and tax them into the ground.  Convincing a lot of them that proper national healthcare is "Communist" was a particularly profitable bit of shitfuckery.

The handful of people and corporations who own and run the place like it just fine. They pay little or no tax, the governments they own always swing things their way, and they're essentially immune to the law.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Happy said:

America --- an experiment in democracy which has turned into a case of unrestricted capitalism gone very wrong.

A society where 99% of the people are varying degrees of dumb worker/consumer drones, brainwashed by crap education, crap TV/social media, crap politicians, crap religion.

Give them the illusion of freedom, some "other folks" to hate, lots of noisy gas-guzzling toys and guns,  booze drugs movies sports and more religion, then work and tax them into the ground.  Convincing a lot of them that proper national healthcare is "Communist" was a particularly profitable bit of shitfuckery.

The handful of people and corporations who own and run the place like it just fine. They pay little or no tax, the governments they own always swing things their way, and they're essentially immune to the law.

 

 

Actually, the core economic system of the USofA is unfettered corporate socialism for the very wealthy and restrictive capitalism for the average schmuck and schmuckettes.

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You all are a bunch of whiners. Leave if you dont like it here. But where would you go that is better?

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6 minutes ago, We are Rimas! said:

You all are a bunch of whiners. Leave if you dont like it here. But where would you go that is better?

Fuck off.  I stay because I want to fix it.  You’re the one fucking it up.  How about you leave?  

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6 minutes ago, We are Rimas! said:

You all are a bunch of whiners. Leave if you dont like it here. But where would you go that is better?

Are you aware of what it takes to renounce US citizenship?

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4 minutes ago, We are Rimas! said:

You all are a bunch of whiners. Leave if you dont like it here. But where would you go that is better?

Right here. It will be better post Jan. 20, 2021 by the looks of it. 

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19 minutes ago, We are Rimas! said:

You all are a bunch of whiners. Leave if you dont like it here. But where would you go that is better?

That depends.

If I were a 1%er, I'd probably move to Monaco although I'd also probably maintain a few estates and boats here in the US. Maybe the Seychelles.

If I were a worker, I'd consider moving to Mexico if I could. They have more respect for labor and fairer treatment. Well, fuck, almost every country in the non-shit-hole parts of the world have better cheaper health care for the average person than the USA does.

- DSK

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28 minutes ago, Swimsailor said:

Fuck off.  I stay because I want to fix it.  You’re the one fucking it up.  How about you leave?  

I like it here. I appreciate our capitalistic society. While I agree with many of your opinions about the ultra .001 percenters, I think we live in a  a great country.

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29 minutes ago, justsomeguy! said:

Are you aware of what it takes to renounce US citizenship?

No, but you could likely still leave if you wanted to.

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39 minutes ago, We are Rimas! said:

You all are a bunch of whiners. Leave if you dont like it here. But where would you go that is better?

I heard some of the Trumpes say they want to go to panamas Because they let Americans keep their  gunz. 

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15 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

That depends.

If I were a 1%er, I'd probably move to Monaco although I'd also probably maintain a few estates and boats here in the US. Maybe the Seychelles.

If I were a worker, I'd consider moving to Mexico if I could. They have more respect for labor and fairer treatment. Well, fuck, almost every country in the non-shit-hole parts of the world have better cheaper health care for the average person than the USA does.

- DSK

Your crazy.  Hispanics sacrifice everything and risk their lives to come here and work. I dont see many of them moving back to Mexico except to retire. And Mexico has the 10th largest economy in the world.

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1 minute ago, We are Rimas! said:

Your crazy.  Hispanics sacrifice everything and risk their lives to come here and work. I dont see many of them moving back to Mexico except to retire. And Mexico has the 10th largest economy in the world.

You're out of touch.

Hispanics USED to come here. Now they don't because 1- their kids will be taken away from them and caged and 2- their employers will treat them like shit every way they can, including not paying them, and the "dept of labor" acts like it's comedy hour. What fucking rights do illegals have? Other than driving down wages for people who -do- live here legally? Meanwhile, the employers of illegal aliens are never prosecuted despite all the laws on the books against what they do.

I have bolded and italicized the operative phrase in your post above.

- DSK

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44 minutes ago, We are Rimas! said:

No, but you could likely still leave if you wanted to.

If you don't renounce, the US can still tax any earnings you make outside the country.

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

That depends.

If I were a 1%er, I'd probably move to Monaco although I'd also probably maintain a few estates and boats here in the US. Maybe the Seychelles.

If I were a worker, I'd consider moving to Mexico if I could. They have more respect for labor and fairer treatment. Well, fuck, almost every country in the non-shit-hole parts of the world have better cheaper health care for the average person than the USA does.

- DSK

You need to be in the .001% for your vision to be close to realisitic. 

I'm a 1%er and I've got my house, boat and cars and enough to get to the finish line in good style.  That's what 1% gets you.  Still far beyond the dreams a 50%er.

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

You're out of touch.

Hispanics USED to come here. Now they don't because 1- their kids will be taken away from them and caged and 2- their employers will treat them like shit every way they can, including not paying them, and the "dept of labor" acts like it's comedy hour. What fucking rights do illegals have? Other than driving down wages for people who -do- live here legally? Meanwhile, the employers of illegal aliens are never prosecuted despite all the laws on the books against what they do. 

I have bolded and italicized the operative phrase in your post above.

- DSK

As a California business owner who employs 1st generation Americans whose family members may or may not be legal, I can tell you I am not the one out of touch. Undocumented immigrants here can get a  free ride if they already have kids or if they can have kids after they arrive here..

BTW it is legal here to hire undocumented workers if  you are in the agriculture business. Ag farms may or may not take care of the legality part, I am not sure.  Furthermore, I do see documented immigrants who still choose to work in the fields, so the money must not be that bad.

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1 hour ago, dacapo said:

I heard some of the Trumpes say they want to go to panamas Because they let Americans keep their  gunz. 

Afghanistan would work for them too. Also, no abortion.

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9 minutes ago, We are Rimas! said:

Undocumented immigrants here can get a  free ride if they already have kids or if they can have kids after they arrive here..

BTW it is legal here to hire undocumented workers if they you are in the agriculture business.

20 posts in and the bullshit is already flowing.  Then the Rimas reference so we know you’re a sock.

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2 hours ago, We are Rimas! said:

You all are a bunch of whiners. Leave if you dont like it here. But where would you go that is better?

America - love it or leave it. :rolleyes:

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3 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

20 posts in and the bullshit is already flowing.  Then the Rimas reference so we know you’re a sock brainless fool..

FTFY

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4 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

20 posts in and the bullshit is already flowing.  Then the Rimas reference so we know you’re a sock.

I'm curious what you think is bs?

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2 hours ago, We are Rimas! said:

You all are a bunch of whiners. Leave if you dont like it here. But where would you go that is better?

Right now there are at least 20 countries that have higher standards of living, greater personal protections for health and other calamities, better public education, a more stable democracy and better environmental protections.  

If tRump gets re-elected, that list will probably grow to 40 or so countries within a year.

Do you want to climb out of your bubble or do you want me to start listing them?  

 

(Oh, your home country where your troll cave is located is not one of them.  Sorry about that. )

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2 hours ago, dacapo said:

I heard some of the Trumpes say they want to go to panamas Because they let Americans keep their  gunz. 

I helped one make the move this week (in a professional capacity, I didn’t give her the boot personally).    She had hired a company for a few hundred dollars that appeared to make it a step by step process, telling her who she had to contact to expedite moving the various aspects of her old life.   Do you understand the motivation or profit?   
Edit,   I don’t know her politics but this is deep red territory.    Playing the odds, a middle age white person without a degree is Republican.

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1 minute ago, Left Shift said:

Right now there are at least 20 countries that have higher standards of living, greater personal protections for health and other calamities, better public education, a more stable democracy and better environmental protections.  

If tRump gets re-elected, that list will probably grow to 40 or so countries within a year.

Do you want to climb out of your bubble or do you want me to start listing them?  

You can list what you want, but I am happy here in the US. I love this country and the opportunity it has offered me and others, many of whom are first generation Americans.

Until you can reign in China's pollution your environmental protections are only symbolic as everything you buy comes from some factory in china that uses slave labor and dumps chemicals and garbage into the ocean to make your product cheaper.

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6 minutes ago, We are Rimas! said:

You can list what you want, but I am happy here in the US. I love this country and the opportunity it has offered me and others, many of whom are first generation Americans.

Until you can reign in China's pollution your environmental protections are only symbolic as everything you buy comes from some factory in china that uses slave labor and dumps chemicals and garbage into the ocean to make your product cheaper.

Your choice of pronouns gives away your troll-iness.  Try harder or they'll cut your per-post payments.  

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41 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

Your choice of pronouns gives away your troll-iness.  Try harder or they'll cut your per-post payments.  

I really dont understand what makes you think i am 'troll-y'?

What have I said that is  the least bit controversial?

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3 hours ago, We are Rimas! said:

I appreciate our capitalistic society.

Please to donate money and things to make me sailing around world in small boat for to setting sailing record.

:rolleyes:

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4 hours ago, We are Rimas! said:

You all are a bunch of whiners. Leave if you dont like it here. But where would you go that is better?

Sorry, the borders closed, check back in a year or so, thank you.

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1 hour ago, We are Rimas! said:

You can list what you want, but I am happy here in the US. I love this country and the opportunity it has offered me and others, many of whom are first generation Americans.

Until you can reign in China's pollution your environmental protections are only symbolic as everything you buy comes from some factory in china that uses slave labor and dumps chemicals and garbage into the ocean to make your product cheaper.

China's pollution? What about US pollution? slave labor? The US is still at $7.25 an hour. You don't really have much of a grasp about what's wrong here.

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20 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

China's pollution? What about US pollution? slave labor? The US is still at $7.25 an hour. You don't really have much of a grasp about what's wrong here.

It is well known that- if you work for a full year -  you can pay for a half-year's rent and a half-year's groceries for a family of one.  No problem!  That's not slavery, that is the practical application of republican economics!  

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3 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

It is well known that- if you work for a full year -  you can pay for a half-year's rent and a half-year's groceries for a family of one.  No problem!  That's not slavery, that is the practical application of republican economics!  

That's right. Two jobs should be nothing for a healthy individual with no pre-existing conditions.

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2 hours ago, We are Rimas! said:

I really dont understand what makes you think i am 'troll-y'?

What have I said that is  the least bit controversial?

It's not that it's controversial it's that it's ignorant and/or stupid.

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You don't know shit about the world or the reasons for leaving America might be/is a good idea. Get down with your bad self.

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12 hours ago, Sean said:

Right here. It will be better post Jan. 20, 2021 by the looks of it. 

no it won't, it will just be ever so slightly less worse...and a lot more  polite.

You're buggered and the buggering has been long and slow. Trump's simply exposed and exploited the buggery. In some ways you should be grateful.

BJ posted this elsewhere but it deserves another post

Listen and weep.

 

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10 hours ago, Lark said:

I helped one make the move this week (in a professional capacity, I didn’t give her the boot personally).    She had hired a company for a few hundred dollars that appeared to make it a step by step process, telling her who she had to contact to expedite moving the various aspects of her old life.   Do you understand the motivation or profit?   
Edit,   I don’t know her politics but this is deep red territory.    Playing the odds, a middle age white person without a degree is Republican.

A few hundred dollars for a relocation agent? 

I think you might want to give her a call on arrival.

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15 hours ago, Swimsailor said:

Fuck off.  I stay because I want to fix it.  You’re the one fucking it up.  How about you leave?  

Me too. I’m fighting the power by typing stuff in my phone on Sailing Anarchy. No luck yet. 

Anyway, here’s your list. Seems like the choices are all cold, as far the fuck away as possible, more homogeneous than other places, or some combination.

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15 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

If I were a worker, I'd consider moving to Mexico if I could. They have more respect for labor and fairer treatment.

- DSK

I love Mexico. That country has tremendous potential. But talk about a failed state! I did business there years ago but now it’s very hard.

A lot of expats retire there to places like Mazatlan. Seemed like a lot of Canadians were retired there last time I went. Otherwise they couldn’t afford to retire in Canada and certainly not here in the US.

Also seems like the ones I met were scared shitless about losing all their money if they put it in a Mexican bank, getting kidnapped, or having their heads cut off by the Sinaloa cartel. Kind of a mixed bag. 

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12 hours ago, badlatitude said:
13 hours ago, We are Rimas! said:

Until you can reign in China's pollution your environmental protections are only symbolic as everything you buy comes from some factory in china that uses slave labor and dumps chemicals and garbage into the ocean to make your product cheaper.

 China's pollution? What about US pollution? slave labor? The US is still at $7.25 an hour. You don't really have much of a grasp about what's wrong here.

I’ve also been to China about 20 times. The USA is fucked up in many ways and I don’t have much hope right now. But China? Hell hole. You don’t know what you are talking about.

In Beijing the pollution is so bad many days you can’t see 100 feet and it smells. Little kids wearing masks and coughing. The average people are poor and work in horrible conditions. People in cushy office jobs work 350 days a year, 12 hr days, make 30% of what we make in the west, often sleep at their desks and get screamed at. CCP members get nice cars and buy iPhones and Gucci. The state directly or indirectly owns all large businesses. Corrupt and sometimes it was frightening to do business there, afraid of crossing somebody. Look out the window flying over and it’s thousands of miles of wall to wall factories and smog. People brainwashed with misinformation to love China, just like Merica.

Rimas is right that since the last 25 years our American lives and economy have been propped up by this Chinese manufacturing, pollution and low cost labor. This is true for Canada and Europe also. You get your nice life on the backs of these people if you shop at Walmart or Target.

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1 hour ago, loneshark64 said:

Me too. I’m fighting the power by typing stuff in my phone on Sailing Anarchy. No luck yet.

I donate.  I volunteer.  I call.  I write letters.  I vote.

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5 minutes ago, loneshark64 said:

Old man typing. I meant 25.
Ok, 12.

Sounds like Tokyo then.

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4 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

A few hundred dollars for a relocation agent? 

I think you might want to give her a call on arrival.

I think it was a computer driven list, not hand holding.   I’m sure an information company can mine online regulations and provide simple instructions inexpensively.    Relating to my field, their instructions were accurate and adequate.    She had no idea about  the consequences of a regulatory mistake.    I don’t know what motivates her, besides an apartment near the ocean for less rent then she pays now for a house near boredom.   She is single, middle aged, and no doubt looking to shake up the monotony of her existence.    Not living on a coast, she never considered buying a sailboat and making YouTube videos while she learned to sail.   The Idea of Panama had to come from somewhere.  Dacapo provided a clue.    Some online forum or some YouTube advert must be plugging it, then selling a multi month plan with daily doses of easy to follow instructions.   They may only sell the list to Americans moving to Panama, minimizing research.   They didn’t make money off the apartment as far as I can tell, so it’s not an obvious real estate racket.    

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1 hour ago, loneshark64 said:

Me too. I’m fighting the power by typing stuff in my phone on Sailing Anarchy. No luck yet. 

Anyway, here’s your list. Seems like the choices are all cold, as far the fuck away as possible, more homogeneous than other places, or some combination.

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Bet our placement in that list looks different for 2020 than it did for 2017, and not in a good way. 

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The trouble with the courts is that the term "A travesty of Justice" has been redefined as: A lawyer doing on honest days work.

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1 hour ago, loneshark64 said:

 

Rimas is right that since the last 25 years our American lives and economy have been propped up by this Chinese manufacturing, pollution and low cost labor. This is true for Canada and Europe also. You get your nice life on the backs of these people if you shop at Walmart or Target.

To be fair, the last 400 years of American lives and economy have been propped up on someone poor's backs.  The identity of the broken people changes, not much else does.

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13 minutes ago, TwoBirds said:

The trouble with the courts is that the term "A travesty of Justice" has been redefined as: A lawyer doing on honest days work.

By that definition travesties of Justice are reassuringly rare.   

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23 hours ago, Mid said:

Do you actually know what Democracy is ?

PRINCIPLES OF DEMOCRACY

People from around the world have identified the basic principles, which must exist in order to have a democratic government.  These principles often become a part of the constitution or bill of rights in a democratic society.  Though no two democratic countries are exactly alike, people in democracies support many of the same basic principles and desire the same benefits from their government.

1. Citizen Participation - One of the most basic signposts of a democracy is citizen participation in government.  Participation is the key role of citizens in democracy.  It is not only their right, but it is their duty.  Citizen participation may take many forms including standing for election,voting in elections, becoming informed, debating issues, attending community or civic meetings, being members of private voluntary organizations, paying taxes, and even protesting.  Participation builds a better democracy.

2. Equality - Democratic societies emphasize the principle that all people are equal.  Equality means that all individuals are valued equally, have equal opportunities, and may not be discriminated against because of their race, religion, ethnic group, gender or sexual orientation.  In a democracy, individuals and groups still maintain their right to have different cultures, personalities, languages and beliefs.

3. Political Tolerance - Democratic societies are politically tolerant.  This means that while the majority of the people rule in a democracy, the rights of the minority must be protected.  People who are not in power must be allowed to organize and speak out.  Minorities are sometimes referred to as the opposition because they may have ideas which are different from the majority.  Individual citizens must also learn to be tolerant of each other.  A democratic society is often composed of people from different cultures, racial, religious and ethnic groups who have viewpoints different from the majority of the population.  A democratic society is enriched by diversity.  If the majority deny rights to and destroy their opposition, then they also destroy democracy.  One goal of democracy is to make the best possible decision for the society.  To achieve this, respect for all people and their points of view is needed.  Decisions are more likely to be accepted, even by those who oppose them, if all citizens have been allowed to discuss, debate and question them.

4. Accountability - In a democracy, elected and appointed officials have to be accountable to the people.  They are responsible for their actions.  Officials must make decisions and perform their duties according to the will and wishes of the people, not for themselves.

5. Transparency - For government to be accountable the people must be aware of what is happening in the country.  This is referred to as transparency in government.  A transparent government holds public meetings and allows citizens to attend.  In a democracy, the press and the people are able to get information about what decisions are being made, by whom and why.

6. Regular, Free and Fair Elections - One way citizens of the country express their will is by electing officials to represent them in government.  Democracy insists that these elected officials are chosen and peacefully removed from office in a free and fair manner. Intimidation, corruption and threats to citizens during or before an election are against the principles of democracy.  In a democracy, elections are held regularly every so many years.  Participation in elections should not be based on a citizen's wealth.  For free and fair elections to occur, most adult citizens should have the right to stand for government office.  Additionally, obstacles should not exist which make it difficult for people to vote.

7. Economic Freedom - People in a democracy must have some form of economic freedom.  This means that the government allows some private ownership of property and businesses, and that the people are allowed to choose their own work and labor unions.  The role the government should play in the economy is open to debate, but it is generally accepted that free markets should exist in a democracy and the state should not totally control the economy.   Some argue that the state should play a stronger role in countries where great in equality of wealth exists due to past discrimination or other unfair practices.

8. Control of the Abuse of Power - Democratic societies try to prevent any elected official or group of people from misusing or abusing their power.  One of the most common abuses of power is corruption.  Corruption occurs when government officials use public funds for their own benefit or exercise power in an illegal manner or allow campaign donations to influence their actions.   Various methods have been used in different countries to protect against these abuses.  Frequently the government is structured to limit the powers of the branches of government: to have independent courts and agencies with power to act against any illegal action by an elected official or branch of government; to allow for citizen participation and elections; and to check for police abuse of power.

9. Bill of Rights - Many democratic countries also choose to have a bill of rights to protect people against abuse of power.  A bill of rights is a list of rights and freedoms guaranteed to all people in the country.  When a bill of rights becomes part of a country's constitution, the courts have the power to enforce these rights.  A bill of rights limits the power of government and may also impose duties on individuals and organizations.

10. Accepting the Results of Elections - In democratic elections, there are winners and losers. Often the losers in an election believe so strongly that their party or candidate is the best one, that they refuse to accept the results of the election. This is against democratic principles. The consequences of not accepting the result of an election may be a government that is ineffective and cannot make decisions. It may even result in violence which is also against democracy.

11. Human Rights - All democracies strive to respect and protect the human rights of citizens.  Human rights mean those values that reflect respect for human life and human dignity.  Democracy emphasizes the value of every human being.  Examples of human rights include freedom of expression, freedom of association, freedom of assembly, the right to equality and the right to education.

12. Multi-Party System - In order to have a multi-party system, more than one political party must participate in elections and play a role in government.  A multi-party system allows for opposition to the party, which wins the election.  This helps provide the government with different viewpoints on issues.  Additionally, a multi-party system provides voters with a choice of candidates, parties and policies to vote for. Historically, when a country only has one party, the result has been a dictatorship.

13. The Rule of Law - In a democracy no one is above the law, not even a king or an elected President.  This is called the rule of law.  It means that everyone must obey the law and be held accountable if they violate it.  Democracy also insists that the law be equally, fairly and consistently enforced.  This is sometimes referred to as "due process of law."

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27 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

To be fair, the last 400 years of American lives and economy have been propped up on someone poor's backs.  The identity of the broken people changes, not much else does.

Well said. 

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18 hours ago, We are Rimas! said:

You all are a bunch of whiners. Leave if you dont like it here. But where would you go that is better?

So you don't believe in the democratic process.  Got it.

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12 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

It's not that it's controversial it's that it's ignorant and/or stupid.

I think that if one does admire this country they would be ignorant. This country is the envy of the world for many reasons. Maybe you are too woke to get it.

 

3 hours ago, loneshark64 said:

I love Mexico. That country has tremendous potential. But talk about a failed state! I did business there years ago but now it’s very hard.

A lot of expats retire there to places like Mazatlan. Seemed like a lot of Canadians were retired there last time I went. Otherwise they couldn’t afford to retire in Canada and certainly not here in the US.

Also seems like the ones I met were scared shitless about losing all their money if they put it in a Mexican bank, getting kidnapped, or having their heads cut off by the Sinaloa cartel. Kind of a mixed bag. 

Not to mention you would never be allowed to work there.

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1 hour ago, MR.CLEAN said:

To be fair, the last 400 years of American lives and economy have been propped up on someone poor's backs.  The identity of the broken people changes, not much else does.

The fictional military genius John Christian Falkenburg once lectured his cadets: "The common fact that there have been intervals between wars leads us to deduce that there is such a thing as 'peace.' The successful operation in war leads to this condition."

The fact that some... perhaps even many... profitable operations have led to prosperity for the average worker, leads us to deduce that it's possible for an entire socio-economic entity (sometimes identified as a "nation-state") to operate on this basis. It's been tried, and those times/places are almost universally hailed as Golden Ages. So you may well ask, why is this not a universal goal for political leaders? You may also ask the corollary question, why is it so common for workers to be so ruthlessly exploited?

And applying to the current USA, why are so many low-wealth, low-income, low-status citizens so eager to vote themselves into a state of hopeless, ruthless, exploitation?

- DSK

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1 hour ago, MR.CLEAN said:

To be fair, the last 400 years of American lives and economy have been propped up on someone poor's backs.  The identity of the broken people changes, not much else does.

The (mainly ignored) difference between our country and others is we have the ability to start out poor and become wealthy.

When I went to school I was encouraged to go into the world and make something of myself.. But now youth are taught to disdain the wealthy and demand  they be given the world because they are entitled to it. (See my initial post here.)

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@We are Rimas! (who’s sock drawer did you crawl out of?)
We’re no 27.  You’re living in the past.  
(Or socialist Denmark)

 

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On 10/13/2020 at 8:00 AM, Grrr... said:

No.  Americans believe in "FREEDOM".  Where they do whatever they want, fuck over their neighbors and everyone else, and if they can get away with it then it's all good.

I'll keep saying it.

We have no Society.  Our culture is a get yours and fuck everyone else mindset.  My 15 year old son has a saying he brought home from school, and it's very appropriate to our country.

"That sounds like a YOU problem."

That's total bullshit. America is the most generous nation on the planet by far at home and abroad.  

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19 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

If I were a worker, I'd consider moving to Mexico if I could. They have more respect for labor and fairer treatment.

- DSK

And her is one for you. My dad took some work in Mexico a while back. He got kidnapped and tied to a chair in his underwear and held for ransom for 11 days until they finally let him go. That is not exactly respect for labor.

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7 minutes ago, Lark said:

@We are Rimas! (who’s sock drawer did you crawl out of?)
We’re no 27.  You’re living in the past.  
(Or socialist Denmark)

 

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Like I said, stop whining  and leave if you dont like it.And I think your chart is BS.

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9 minutes ago, We are Rimas! said:

The (mainly ignored) difference between our country and others is we have the ability to start out poor and become wealthy.

When I went to school I was encouraged to go into the world and make something of myself.. But now youth are taught to disdain the wealthy and demand  they be given the world because they are entitled to it. (See my initial post here.)

Yes, but so do other countries.  In the world of innovation and advancement, the US does not rate that high on the list.  Certainly "socialist" Sweden holds more prospects for business advancement than the US, even with all its dead capital looking for a home, because the floor level for sustainability of the enterprise is much lower.  It can keep going.

"Culture eats strategy for breakfast"  The culture of the US is a little too self centered for true advancement.

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1 minute ago, We are Rimas! said:

Like I said, stop whining  and leave if you dont like it.And I think your chart is BS.

But do you know?  Knowledge without analysis is but mental self-abuse

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15 minutes ago, We are Rimas! said:

The (mainly ignored) difference between our country and others is we have the ability to start out poor and become wealthy.

When I went to school I was encouraged to go into the world and make something of myself.. But now youth are taught to disdain the wealthy and demand  they be given the world because they are entitled to it. (See my initial post here.)

That's a myth. Not supported by data. 

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7 minutes ago, We are Rimas! said:

Like I said, stop whining  and leave if you dont like it.And I think your chart is BS.

I’ve invested a lot in Ohio.    It’s well positioned to avoid the impacts of climate change and has water.   I’d rather encourage the troublemakers to reform or relocate.   I hear Panama is welcoming American conservatives of modest means.     

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9 minutes ago, We are Rimas! said:

Like I said, stop whining  and leave if you dont like it.And I think your chart is BS.

I don't dislike America at all, not only do I think that the ideals and principles behind America are among the best in history but I've worked pretty hard at improving the place.

What I dislike is the Trumpublican ideal of plutocracy, and turning the economy into one of lords and peasants, "deregulation" into a polluted kleptocracy, and the substitution of racism and entitlement for law enforcement.

And you are free to have your own opinion, but that opinion is valued on the strength of the facts and logic going into it: none.

- DSK

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18 hours ago, justsomeguy! said:

If you don't renounce, the US can still tax any earnings you make outside the country.

When I was 18, as a dual citizen due to my USAnian parents, I had to chose whether or not to renounce my American citizenship.   I decided it would likely be more trouble than it was worth, and tossed it.

Whew!  Called it!

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51 minutes ago, We are Rimas! said:

I think that if one does admire this country they would be ignorant. This country is the envy of the world for many reasons. Maybe you are too woke to get it.

I take it you don't understand the expression "Past Tense".

I live right next door and remember when it really was.

But that was before people like you got control of it.

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19 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

That's a myth. Not supported by data. 

Facts?

He don't need no stinkin' facts.

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18 minutes ago, Lark said:

....   ...   I’d rather encourage the troublemakers to reform or relocate.   I hear Panama is welcoming American conservatives of modest means.     

Ironically, Panama is an awesomely generous welfare state, due to the income from the Panama Canal.

- DSK

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27 minutes ago, Movable Ballast said:

That's total bullshit. America is the most generous nation on the planet by far at home and abroad.  

I take it you don't understand the expression "Past Tense".

I live right next door and remember when it really was.

But that was before people like you got control of it.

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1 minute ago, SloopJonB said:

Facts?

He don't need no stinkin' facts.

Facts, schmacts

Widely known to have a liberal bias.... all good Trumpalos reject them!

- DSK

 

 

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Just now, Steam Flyer said:

Ironically, Panama is an awesomely generous welfare state, due to the income from the Panama Canal.

- DSK

Good to know.   

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58 minutes ago, We are Rimas! said:

The (mainly ignored) difference between our country and others is we have the ability to start out poor and become wealthy.

where do you get this kind of bullshit mythology?  You reading kids' schoolbooks again?

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50 minutes ago, Movable Ballast said:

America is the most generous nation on the planet by far at home and abroad.  

Lol.  There's only one thing that makes the US 'generous' on the giving index and others, and that's tithing.  Remove the vig to the church and we are like 45th.

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1 hour ago, We are Rimas! said:

And her is one for you. My dad took some work in Mexico a while back. He got kidnapped and tied to a chair in his underwear and held for ransom for 11 days until they finally let him go. That is not exactly respect for labor.

All statistics and data on the treatment of labor in Mexico is hereby discredited because something happened to your dad.

The next time your car does not start, please let us know here so that we can conclude that gasoline is no longer a viable fuel. 

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1 hour ago, We are Rimas! said:

leave if you dont like it.

Looks like you already did

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Here is your America - (worth a double post) 

KKK threatens Biden voters in Tennessee. 

Local law enforcement totally unconcerned. 

(And y'all wonder why I call the GOP the "Reich"?) 

https://www.newsweek.com/kkk-cards-shelbyville-biden-signs-tennessee-1538522

Up to their old tricks, they are: For the better part of a century after the Civil War, 

the KKK used outright terror to suppress the black vote - the number of black voters 

plummeted by 90% in many parts of the Deep South. 

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1 hour ago, Raz'r said:

That's a myth. Not supported by data. 

I lived it. My life and my freind's lives are examples of it. That is data.

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41 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Lol.  There's only one thing that makes the US 'generous' on the giving index and others, and that's tithing.  Remove the vig to the church and we are like 45th.

That's a stupid assessment. 

It predicates that people who tithe would not give in other areas and also predicates that other countries don't tithe, which is bullshit... 

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44 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

where do you get this kind of bullshit mythology?  You reading kids' schoolbooks again?

 

I lived it. I am an example of it. So are many, many others I know. While you sit on the sideline and whine, others are here living their dreams and making it.

 

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9 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

Here is your America - (worth a double post) 

KKK threatens Biden voters in Tennessee. 

Local law enforcement totally unconcerned. 

(And y'all wonder why I call the GOP the "Reich"?) 

https://www.newsweek.com/kkk-cards-shelbyville-biden-signs-tennessee-1538522

Up to their old tricks, they are: For the better part of a century after the Civil War, 

the KKK used outright terror to suppress the black vote - the number of black voters 

plummeted by 90% in many parts of the Deep South. 

*yawn*

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2 minutes ago, We are Rimas! said:

*yawn*

Roughly your level of smarts. 

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27 minutes ago, benwynn said:

All statistics and data on the treatment of labor in Mexico is hereby discredited because something happened to your dad.

 

That was just some icing on the cake.  We already addressed your statistical concerns.

 

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6 minutes ago, We are Rimas! said:

I lived it. My life and my freind's lives are examples of it. That is data.

No, that is not data.  That is anecdote.  Of more interest is the percentage of people "making it", how much and within a defined population.  Only then can the concept of equity be approached.  Notice I said equity, not equality.  Two different concepts.  I also hope we are not viewing this through the lens of white privilege.  The luck of one's  birth is the over-riding function of one's "making it".  Acknowledge whatever luck you may have had and the help you have been accorded by society.

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