Zonker 2,665 #1 Posted October 23, 2020 Fountaine Pajot Samana 59 I predict the next step in the evolution of big cruising catamarans will be to put the master cabin on the flying bridge and just build it like a wedding cake... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darth reapius 170 #2 Posted October 23, 2020 54 minutes ago, Zonker said: Fountaine Pajot Samana 59 I predict the next step in the evolution of big cruising catamarans will be to put the master cabin on the flying bridge and just build it like a wedding cake... Image doesn't show here... So for everyone else... Why the fuck is it so damn high?! What is going on? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maxstaylock 188 #3 Posted October 23, 2020 The main on these things is more like a steadying sail, like on a fishing boat, to help take the violence out of rolling, should the hapless mariner ever find themselves momentarily beam on? Up in April, down in October, and keep sheeted hard down 24/7, that's the way to do it. The portion close to people just throws unwanted shade, and contributes very little to roll reduction, so away it goes. Progress at work, people. I would get a big tent to surround the upper saloon, then add a small flybridge above. Or would that be too much? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
European Bloke 450 #4 Posted October 23, 2020 I think you need a head up there as well. Don't want to be going up and down those steps all the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teamvmg 98 #5 Posted October 23, 2020 That would be a good looking boat without the top floor. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Training Wheels 64 #6 Posted October 23, 2020 Personally, I’ve always thought boats like that make great motorsailors. One thing I’ve never understood though, how do you see around the headsail? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
garland823 3 #7 Posted October 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, Training Wheels said: Personally, I’ve always thought boats like that make great motorsailors. One thing I’ve never understood though, how do you see around the headsail? Looks like it sheets to the coach roof, so a lookout somewhere other than the flybridge should have better visibility than you would on a standard aft cockpit cat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smj 2 #8 Posted October 23, 2020 Standard equipment includes the little giant ladder 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 893 #9 Posted October 23, 2020 Just another fugly power cat with a rig stuck on top. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Training Wheels 64 #10 Posted October 23, 2020 2 hours ago, garland823 said: Looks like it sheets to the coach roof, so a lookout somewhere other than the flybridge should have better visibility than you would on a standard aft cockpit cat. So, a cruising boat that always requires 2 people on watch....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
European Bloke 450 #11 Posted October 23, 2020 The only thing they're watching is the level in the bottle and if the ice us running out. Hard to criticise because if I was on that shitter I'd be the same. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Training Wheels 64 #12 Posted October 24, 2020 16 hours ago, European Bloke said: The only thing they're watching is the level in the bottle and if the ice us running out. Hard to criticise because if I was on that shitter I'd be the same. You’re certainly correct. I’m sure it sails much better after a copious amount of rum! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yl75 1,068 #13 Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/23/2020 at 2:59 PM, teamvmg said: That would be a good looking boat without the top floor. Indeed, and apparently they don't even offer a no flybridge version ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tylo 72 #14 Posted October 27, 2020 Imagine going up there to handle the main and stackpack, jeez... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
randii 87 #15 Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/23/2020 at 2:37 AM, maxstaylock said: I would get a big tent to surround the upper saloon, then add a small flybridge above. That would be less flybridge and more crow's nest! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Autonomous 365 #16 Posted October 27, 2020 What's it rate? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuso007 596 #17 Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/23/2020 at 11:37 AM, maxstaylock said: The main on these things is more like a steadying sail, like on a fishing boat, to help take the violence out of rolling, This. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vokstar 21 #18 Posted November 21, 2020 I know it's just a render, but this has to be a contender too. Interesting to see where it is being built too. https://au.yachtworld.com/boats/2021/catamaran-moon-yacht-60-3734148/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuso007 596 #19 Posted November 21, 2020 When I go to boatshows like Barcelona and Palma it always calls my attention when I walk by the cat dealers... Those booms are WAY up in the air Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpenman 77 #20 Posted November 21, 2020 With one working headsail, that boat was not really meant to be sailed any distance or in any seas. That's what folks looking for a sailing vacation obviously want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soma 673 #21 Posted November 21, 2020 13 hours ago, vokstar said: I know it's just a render, but this has to be a contender too. Interesting to see where it is being built too. https://au.yachtworld.com/boats/2021/catamaran-moon-yacht-60-3734148/ I was going to post the same thing. Hideous! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tylo 72 #22 Posted November 21, 2020 You could probably build a nice performance cat with the amount of plastic in this area alone, holy shit 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zonker 2,665 #23 Posted November 22, 2020 I believe a new champion has been crowned. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bruno 119 #24 Posted November 22, 2020 The horror, the horror... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soma 673 #25 Posted December 13, 2020 Sexy action shot. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zonker 2,665 #26 Posted December 14, 2020 Which manufacturer will be the first to put the master cabin up there? It's the natural progression. It is doing very close to 10 knots (the wave trough amidships, single wave along the waterline cresting at the transom or so). Not bad for a totally empty 60' cruising cat in a strong breeze with an assymetric spinnaker. sqrt (59) x 1.34 = 10.3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mad Hatter 63 #27 Posted December 14, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 9:18 PM, yl75 said: Indeed, and apparently they don't even offer a no flybridge version ... Saws are not that expensive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TwoBirds 83 #28 Posted December 14, 2020 I'm expecting to see cats with pullouts like motorhomes have any day now. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rattus32 45 #29 Posted December 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Zonker said: Which manufacturer will be the first to put the master cabin up there? It's the natural progression. It is doing very close to 10 knots (the wave trough amidships, single wave along the waterline cresting at the transom or so). Not bad for a totally empty 60' cruising cat in a strong breeze with an assymetric spinnaker. sqrt (59) x 1.34 = 10.3 Not entirely sure that's not a render. They're getting a lot better nowadays. Look at soft surfaces, like sail packs. Realism gets a bit lazy there. The asym detail is oddly fuzzy at the clew end as well. ... and that way you could graphically dial in any speed you'd like ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zonker 2,665 #30 Posted December 14, 2020 Not a render. 1:53 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KC375 1,678 #31 Posted December 14, 2020 11 hours ago, Zonker said: Which manufacturer will be the first to put the master cabin up there? It's the natural progression. It is doing very close to 10 knots (the wave trough amidships, single wave along the waterline cresting at the transom or so). Not bad for a totally empty 60' cruising cat in a strong breeze with an assymetric spinnaker. sqrt (59) x 1.34 = 10.3 But pretty fast for a three story condominium Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airwick 182 #32 Posted December 14, 2020 Anyone have any experience with how horrible the visibility is from up there under sail? It looks like you would have about 120deg of blind spot with that gennaker up and close to 90 with the genoa! With one helm on center you'd barely be able to see anything to leeward and by the time you take leeway into account it looks like you wouldn't even effectively see in the direction you are sailing! That shot at 0:15 in the video is concerning! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KC375 1,678 #33 Posted December 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, Airwick said: Anyone have any experience with how horrible the visibility is from up there under sail? It looks like you would have about 120deg of blind spot with that gennaker up and close to 90 with the genoa! With one helm on center you'd barely be able to see anything to leeward and by the time you take leeway into account it looks like you wouldn't even effectively see in the direction you are sailing! That shot at 0:15 in the video is concerning! As you can tell from the video the boat comes with wait staff. Once your manservant has done the washing up he can play lookout for you. The all black staff uniform is chic. Do You suppose it would be uncomfortable in the tropics? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zonker 2,665 #34 Posted December 14, 2020 That's the evening wait staff uniform. The day uniform is white. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KC375 1,678 #35 Posted December 14, 2020 I’m so gauche, how did I not know that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silent bob 710 #36 Posted December 14, 2020 Moorings 5800 after Irma. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tylo 72 #37 Posted December 14, 2020 Hey, now it can be the power cat it was always meant to be assuming that mast is broken just under surface Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Upp3 183 #38 Posted December 15, 2020 17 hours ago, Airwick said: Anyone have any experience with how horrible the visibility is from up there under sail? It looks like you would have about 120deg of blind spot with that gennaker up and close to 90 with the genoa! With one helm on center you'd barely be able to see anything to leeward and by the time you take leeway into account it looks like you wouldn't even effectively see in the direction you are sailing! That shot at 0:15 in the video is concerning! Maybe front camera is standard? Aft camera is at least 980€ extra. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobertP 0 #39 Posted December 15, 2020 How does the salesman sell something like this?. It would not surprise me if bow thrusters were recommended. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zonker 2,665 #40 Posted December 16, 2020 I'm sure it's for the crewed charter market. So a pro crew. Honestly bow thrusters are not that important if your two main engines are 25' apart. Lots of turning ability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobertP 0 #41 Posted December 16, 2020 My comment was a wonder at this whole thing. A flying bridge and bow thrusters on a catamaran is a joke. One literally has to have a lot of money and refuse to do any home work to buy something like this. Now the whole thing comes down to safety. If one is going to buy something like this, what is their sailing ability? I am amazed that this is even on the market. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuso007 596 #42 Posted December 16, 2020 On 12/14/2020 at 8:10 PM, Airwick said: Anyone have any experience with how horrible the visibility is from up there under sail? It looks like you would have about 120deg of blind spot with that gennaker up and close to 90 with the genoa! With one helm on center you'd barely be able to see anything to leeward and by the time you take leeway into account it looks like you wouldn't even effectively see in the direction you are sailing! That shot at 0:15 in the video is concerning! I sail regularly on 6mr class boats (with the boom below my head and a 185% genoa) so I find the view from that sailing apartament quite impressive... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuso007 596 #43 Posted December 16, 2020 About that 59ft. cat, It may sail like shit and look like shit, but I'd love to take my family on vacation on it. The chef can come too 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpenman 77 #44 Posted December 16, 2020 13 hours ago, Zonker said: I'm sure it's for the crewed charter market. So a pro crew. Honestly bow thrusters are not that important if your two main engines are 25' apart. Lots of turning ability. Yup, the video showed them on a perfect point of sail, with the perfect amount of canvas to move the boat, and perfectly flat seas. Just looking at that boat and how it's setup, it's gonna need a full time crew just to keep that thing fixed. Has to have a Genset that runs every 6-12 hours to charge the batteries. Does not look to have a single solar panel. Can exit your cabin without going thru the salon, dango, another opening. Has a forward cockpit and virtually no net. That boat can ONLY be used as a charter boat. If we had some decent marketing we'd have more females in sailing. On our boat it simply does not work that way. My wife is also not afraid of offshore passages either. Imagine having to reef the main, or get to that boom in 6-8 ft seas. Frigging death defying. As for the thruster, I will have one on the next boat, mainly for tight docking. I can swing the 57 around in a marina, but if there is any wind or current getting the nose to move in the right direction can be sporty!!! Need a little speed to make it go straight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longy 494 #45 Posted December 16, 2020 Lots of the big fancy cats have thrusters to control the bows. Retractable units Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soma 673 #46 Posted December 16, 2020 5 hours ago, mpenman said: As for the thruster, I will have one on the next boat, mainly for tight docking. I can swing the 57 around in a marina, but if there is any wind or current getting the nose to move in the right direction can be sporty!!! Need a little speed to make it go straight. Speaking of your next boat, I got rolled like you read about by Skylark today sailing between Bequia and St. Vincent. That boat is quick!! Very odd to see a pinhead main on a cat, though 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tylo 72 #47 Posted December 17, 2020 Beautiful picture! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpenman 77 #48 Posted December 17, 2020 18 hours ago, soma said: Speaking of your next boat, I got rolled like you read about by Skylark today sailing between Bequia and St. Vincent. That boat is quick!! Very odd to see a pinhead main on a cat, though They're heading to St Barth's I believe. We'll have the exact same sail plan except carry an A3 or similar off the sprit. I thought it was more of a blade main. That boat is wicked fast. Alan is averaging 300 mile days with ease, but it is 72 feet long. The boat has very little hump in it, it just keeps accelerating until it gets way too sporty. Kenneth and I sailed with Alan in Bequia and we had that boat doing an easy 20 knots, it just did not feel like you were going fast until you looked at the wake. It's a little unnerving at first. Very excited to see what the pShip will do. How you all doing? You're in one of my favorite areas!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trovão 469 #50 Posted January 21 46 minutes ago, soma said: Heh. my eyes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soma 673 #51 Posted January 21 My favorite part is the 4 solar panels. That’s a cute fig leaf. Like it won’t have a generator running 24/7... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trovão 469 #52 Posted January 21 1 minute ago, soma said: My favorite part is the 4 solar panels. That’s a cute fig leaf. Like it won’t have a generator running 24/7... that pic should be right by the definition of "condomaran" in the dictionary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
he b gb 86 #53 Posted January 21 I’m getting vertigo just looking at that photo!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith 893 #54 Posted January 22 Why bother with a rig. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TwoBirds 83 #55 Posted January 22 21 minutes ago, Keith said: Why bother with a rig. Shade 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Autonomous 365 #56 Posted January 22 A combo gooseneck-masthead fitting would streamline fitting these condomarans out. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dex Sawash 479 #57 Posted January 22 8 hours ago, Autonomous said: A combo gooseneck-masthead fitting would streamline fitting these condomarans out. Optional regatta sail plan 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpenman 77 #58 Posted January 22 17 hours ago, soma said: My favorite part is the 4 solar panels. That’s a cute fig leaf. Like it won’t have a generator running 24/7... Singlehanded sailor delivered a Sunreef 74 and said it did okay up to about 10 knots. Could not go longer than 2 hours without running the genset. Had like 14 fridges on it. My only question is WHY? Why not just purchase a motoryacht. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Autonomous 365 #59 Posted January 22 Did each head bathroom suite have a refrigerator? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
