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Fountaine Pajot Samana 59

I predict the next step in the evolution of big cruising catamarans will be to put the master cabin on the flying bridge and just build it like a wedding cake...

 

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54 minutes ago, Zonker said:

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Fountaine Pajot Samana 59

I predict the next step in the evolution of big cruising catamarans will be to put the master cabin on the flying bridge and just build it like a wedding cake...

 

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Fountaine Pajot Catamaran New 59 | The Luxe Guide Luxury Specialist

Why the fuck is it so damn high?! What is going on?

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The main on these things is more like a steadying sail, like on a fishing boat, to help take the violence out of rolling, should the hapless mariner ever find themselves momentarily beam on?  Up in April, down in October, and keep sheeted hard down 24/7, that's the way to do it. The portion close to people just throws unwanted shade, and contributes very little to roll reduction, so away it goes.  Progress at work, people.

I would get a big tent to surround the upper saloon, then add a small flybridge above.  Or would that be too much?

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Personally, I’ve always thought boats like that make great motorsailors. One thing I’ve never understood though, how do you see around the headsail?

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23 minutes ago, Training Wheels said:

Personally, I’ve always thought boats like that make great motorsailors. One thing I’ve never understood though, how do you see around the headsail?

Looks like it sheets to the coach roof, so a lookout somewhere other than the flybridge should have better visibility than you would on a standard aft cockpit cat.

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Just another fugly power cat with a rig stuck on top. 

 

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2 hours ago, garland823 said:

Looks like it sheets to the coach roof, so a lookout somewhere other than the flybridge should have better visibility than you would on a standard aft cockpit cat.

So, a cruising boat that always requires 2 people on watch.......

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The only thing they're watching is the level in the bottle and if the ice us running out. Hard to criticise because if I was on that shitter I'd be the same.

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16 hours ago, European Bloke said:

The only thing they're watching is the level in the bottle and if the ice us running out. Hard to criticise because if I was on that shitter I'd be the same.

You’re certainly correct. I’m sure it sails much better after a copious amount of rum!

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On 10/23/2020 at 2:59 PM, teamvmg said:

That would be a good looking boat without the top floor.

Indeed, and apparently they don't even offer a no flybridge version ...

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On 10/23/2020 at 2:37 AM, maxstaylock said:

I would get a big tent to surround the upper saloon, then add a small flybridge above.

That would be less flybridge and more crow's nest!

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On 10/23/2020 at 11:37 AM, maxstaylock said:

The main on these things is more like a steadying sail, like on a fishing boat, to help take the violence out of rolling,

This.

 

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When I go to boatshows like Barcelona and Palma it always calls my attention when I walk by the cat dealers... Those booms are WAY up in the air

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With one working headsail, that boat was not really meant to be sailed any distance or in any seas.

That's what folks looking for a sailing vacation obviously want.

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You could probably build a nice performance cat with the amount of plastic in this area alone, holy shit

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Which manufacturer will be the first to put the master cabin up there? It's the natural progression.

It is doing very close to 10 knots (the wave trough amidships, single wave along the waterline cresting at the transom or so). Not bad for a totally empty 60' cruising cat in a strong breeze with an assymetric spinnaker.

sqrt (59) x 1.34 = 10.3

 

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On 10/26/2020 at 9:18 PM, yl75 said:

Indeed, and apparently they don't even offer a no flybridge version ...

Saws are not that expensive.

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I'm expecting to see cats with pullouts like motorhomes have any day now.

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3 hours ago, Zonker said:

Which manufacturer will be the first to put the master cabin up there? It's the natural progression.

It is doing very close to 10 knots (the wave trough amidships, single wave along the waterline cresting at the transom or so). Not bad for a totally empty 60' cruising cat in a strong breeze with an assymetric spinnaker.

sqrt (59) x 1.34 = 10.3

 

Not entirely sure that's not a render. They're getting a lot better nowadays. Look at soft surfaces, like sail packs. Realism gets a bit lazy there. The asym detail is oddly fuzzy at the clew end as well.

... and that way you could graphically dial in any speed you'd like ;-)

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11 hours ago, Zonker said:

Which manufacturer will be the first to put the master cabin up there? It's the natural progression.

It is doing very close to 10 knots (the wave trough amidships, single wave along the waterline cresting at the transom or so). Not bad for a totally empty 60' cruising cat in a strong breeze with an assymetric spinnaker.

sqrt (59) x 1.34 = 10.3

 

But pretty fast for a three story condominium

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Anyone have any experience with how horrible the visibility is from up there under sail?
It looks like you would have about 120deg of blind spot with that gennaker up and close to 90 with the genoa! With one helm on center you'd barely be able to see anything to leeward and by the time you take leeway into account it looks like you wouldn't even effectively see in the direction you are sailing!
That shot at 0:15 in the video is concerning!

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17 minutes ago, Airwick said:

Anyone have any experience with how horrible the visibility is from up there under sail?
It looks like you would have about 120deg of blind spot with that gennaker up and close to 90 with the genoa! With one helm on center you'd barely be able to see anything to leeward and by the time you take leeway into account it looks like you wouldn't even effectively see in the direction you are sailing!
That shot at 0:15 in the video is concerning!

As you can tell from the video the boat comes with wait staff. Once your manservant has done the washing up he can play lookout for you. The all black staff uniform is chic. Do You suppose it would be uncomfortable in the tropics?

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I’m so gauche, how did I not know that?

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Hey, now it can be the power cat it was always meant to be assuming that mast is broken just under surface

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17 hours ago, Airwick said:

Anyone have any experience with how horrible the visibility is from up there under sail?
It looks like you would have about 120deg of blind spot with that gennaker up and close to 90 with the genoa! With one helm on center you'd barely be able to see anything to leeward and by the time you take leeway into account it looks like you wouldn't even effectively see in the direction you are sailing!
That shot at 0:15 in the video is concerning!

Maybe front camera is standard? Aft camera is at least 980€ extra.

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I'm sure it's for the crewed charter market. So a pro crew. Honestly bow thrusters are not that important if your two main engines are 25' apart. Lots of turning ability.

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My comment was a wonder at this whole thing. A flying bridge and bow thrusters on a catamaran is a joke. One literally has to have a lot of money and refuse to do any home work to buy something like this. Now the whole thing comes down to safety. If one is going to buy something like this, what is their sailing ability? I am amazed that this is even on the market.

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On 12/14/2020 at 8:10 PM, Airwick said:

Anyone have any experience with how horrible the visibility is from up there under sail?
It looks like you would have about 120deg of blind spot with that gennaker up and close to 90 with the genoa! With one helm on center you'd barely be able to see anything to leeward and by the time you take leeway into account it looks like you wouldn't even effectively see in the direction you are sailing!
That shot at 0:15 in the video is concerning!

I sail regularly on 6mr class boats (with the boom below my head and a 185% genoa) so I find the view from that sailing apartament quite impressive...

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About that 59ft. cat, It may sail like shit and look like shit, but I'd love to take my family on vacation on it.

 

The chef can come too

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13 hours ago, Zonker said:

I'm sure it's for the crewed charter market. So a pro crew. Honestly bow thrusters are not that important if your two main engines are 25' apart. Lots of turning ability.

Yup, the video showed them on a perfect point of sail, with the perfect amount of canvas to move the boat, and perfectly flat seas. Just looking at that boat and how it's setup, it's gonna need a full time crew just to keep that thing fixed.  Has to have a Genset that runs every 6-12 hours to charge the batteries. Does not look to have a single solar panel.

Can exit your cabin without going thru the salon, dango, another opening. Has a forward cockpit and virtually no net.  That boat can ONLY be used as a charter boat.

If we had some decent marketing we'd have more females in sailing. On our boat it simply does not work that way. My wife is also not afraid of offshore passages either. Imagine having to reef the main, or get to that boom in 6-8 ft seas. Frigging death defying.

As for the thruster, I will have one on the next boat, mainly for tight docking. I can swing the 57 around in a marina, but  if there is any wind or current getting the nose to move in the right direction can be sporty!!! Need a little speed to make it go straight.

 

 

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Lots of the big fancy cats have thrusters to control the bows. Retractable units

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5 hours ago, mpenman said:

As for the thruster, I will have one on the next boat, mainly for tight docking. I can swing the 57 around in a marina, but  if there is any wind or current getting the nose to move in the right direction can be sporty!!! Need a little speed to make it go straight.

Speaking of your next boat, I got rolled like you read about by Skylark today sailing between Bequia and St. Vincent. That boat is quick!! Very odd to see a pinhead main on a cat, though  

 

 

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18 hours ago, soma said:

Speaking of your next boat, I got rolled like you read about by Skylark today sailing between Bequia and St. Vincent. That boat is quick!! Very odd to see a pinhead main on a cat, though  

They're heading to St Barth's I believe. We'll have the exact same sail plan except carry an A3 or similar off the sprit. I thought it was more of a blade main.

That boat is wicked fast. Alan is averaging 300 mile days with ease, but it is 72 feet long. The boat has very little hump in it, it just keeps accelerating until it gets way too sporty.

Kenneth and I sailed with Alan in Bequia and we had that boat doing an easy 20 knots, it just did not feel like you were going fast until you looked at the wake. It's a little unnerving at first. Very excited to see what the pShip will do.

How you all doing? You're in one of my favorite areas!!!

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46 minutes ago, soma said:

Heh. 

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my eyes...

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My favorite part is the 4 solar panels. That’s a cute fig leaf. Like it won’t have a generator running 24/7...

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1 minute ago, soma said:

My favorite part is the 4 solar panels. That’s a cute fig leaf. Like it won’t have a generator running 24/7...

that pic should be right by the definition of "condomaran" in the dictionary

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I’m getting vertigo just looking at that photo!!

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21 minutes ago, Keith said:

Why bother with a rig.

Shade

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A combo gooseneck-masthead fitting would streamline fitting these condomarans out.

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8 hours ago, Autonomous said:

A combo gooseneck-masthead fitting would streamline fitting these condomarans out.

 

Optional regatta sail plan

 

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17 hours ago, soma said:

My favorite part is the 4 solar panels. That’s a cute fig leaf. Like it won’t have a generator running 24/7...

Singlehanded sailor delivered a Sunreef 74 and said it did okay up to about 10 knots. Could not go longer than 2 hours without running the genset. Had like 14 fridges on it.

My only question is WHY? Why not just purchase a motoryacht.

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