coconha 0 #1 Posted October 26 First time posting here, we race offshore out of Sydney Harbour on an 34'. We know the basics of sail trim and still manage to get some good results every now and again. However, we are not consistent and sometimes we fail to find the right configuration to drive the boat. We are considering hiring a professional to come aboard and coach us to improve our sail trim and general racing skills. Anyone has any tips where I can look for a coach? Cheers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rain Man 586 #2 Posted October 26 Buy a new sail from one of the local sailmakers - they will usually put one of their team on board for a race or two to make sure the sail is set up properly. I learned a lot from having sailmakers do a race or two on the boat. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCARECROW 463 #3 Posted October 26 Or go to the local junior skiff club and invite winning crew to come out for a few races on your boat then let your egos go long enough to let them do their thing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ISA 24 #4 Posted October 26 Brett Beyer. Message us for his contact details. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VWAP 832 #5 Posted October 26 get a good crew (see below) then put the word out you are lookin for a coach and we come a runnin. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rain Man 586 #6 Posted October 26 @coconha - the first rule of SA is to put VWAP on ignore. There are some other rules around here somewhere but I can't seem to find them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sail4beer 1,879 #7 Posted October 26 VWAP has the crew locked down. Now all you have to do is PM LB15 and ask him to come aboard for a few races. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coconha 0 #8 Posted October 26 Thanks for the posts. The sailmaker and the skiff winning crews are great ideas, but in the mean time I will see if I can reach Brett Beyer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coconha 0 #9 Posted October 26 VMAP, if I had that crew, I don't think my concern would be sail trim. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROADKILL666 286 #10 Posted October 26 18 hours ago, VWAP said: get a good crew (see below) then put the word out you are lookin for a coach and we come a runnin. You would never get anything done with those two on board.But who cares and you would have the best rail meat in the area. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason AUS 246 #11 Posted October 27 On 10/26/2020 at 1:03 PM, coconha said: First time posting here, we race offshore out of Sydney Harbour on an 34'. You get points for bravery. That would be very lumpy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spoonie 68 #12 Posted October 27 Well, I'll hopefully have my coach certificate by the end of the year... Google and word of mouth is a good start. Many of the guys running campaigns will coach on the side (normally to kids which is where the market is at). there is normally at least one or two qualified coaches at a given club, otherwise Sailing Australia has a list I think. Riggers and sail makers are worth asking but contrary to belief sail makers don't always make good coaches. Nor do good sailors. Understand what you want to get out the coach though. A good coach in your instance should probably teach you the process of learning with some instruction. A longer path than jumping on the boat and telling you how to go fast but you will be a better sailor for it. The problem with the latter is one guy will jump on with his or her opinions, the next guy will have theirs. There is tacit knowledge in making a boat go fast that can't be taught directly. What can be taught is the process of learning that tacit knowledge. Out of interest (and a little market research) what sort of budget did you have in mind? And would you consider a online service for a monthly subscription? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panoramix 1,036 #13 Posted October 27 On 10/26/2020 at 4:06 AM, VWAP said: get a good crew (see below) then put the word out you are lookin for a coach and we come a runnin. Aren't they a bit top heavy to be really fast? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pulpit 177 #14 Posted October 28 On 10/26/2020 at 2:06 PM, VWAP said: get a good crew (see below) then put the word out you are lookin for a coach and we come a runnin. On 10/28/2020 at 3:26 AM, Panoramix said: Aren't they a bit top heavy to be really fast? Now Panoramix, Your not thinking out side the square. These 2 heathy young ladies are perfect as a crew. They maybe top heavy to you. I see them as perfect rail meat and getting their weight out compared to some other crews I’ve seen. I do remember many years ago a young lady that Worked the foredeck on a Y88 who always wore short shorts. And it was always interesting to see her play with the other crews at mark rounding. Lol The rest of her crew mates would just carry on as normal during the race and would piss themselfs after the race at the mistakes the other crews would make. Needless to say she was a very talented sailor to have on board. Pulpit 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickDastardly 204 #15 Posted October 28 On 10/26/2020 at 1:27 PM, ISA said: Brett Beyer. Message us for his contact details. Brett's awesome, I've used him but tends to be dinghy focused AFAIK. Not sure whether he does much on offshore keelboats. Stuart Broom, Steve McConaghy are both excellent. Stu more on boat and crew organising, trimming and moves, Steve that plus more out of the boat on-water stuff. And ask around the yacht clubs who the various owners use. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickDastardly 204 #16 Posted October 28 On 10/27/2020 at 5:50 PM, Jason AUS said: You get points for bravery. That would be very lumpy! Once upon a time 34 was a good mid size for offshore. Age has caught up with you Jason!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LB 15 4,144 #17 Posted October 29 On 10/26/2020 at 12:16 PM, SCARECROW said: Or go to the local junior skiff club and invite winning crew to come out for a few races on your boat then let your egos go long enough to let them do their thing. What makes you think the local Skiffies want to spend a day on a 4knot shitbox? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LB 15 4,144 #18 Posted October 29 On 10/26/2020 at 12:03 PM, coconha said: First time posting here, we race offshore out of Sydney Harbour on an 34'. We know the basics of sail trim and still manage to get some good results every now and again. However, we are not consistent and sometimes we fail to find the right configuration to drive the boat. We are considering hiring a professional to come aboard and coach us to improve our sail trim and general racing skills. Anyone has any tips where I can look for a coach? Cheers. Look no further. I am 10K a day plus expenses. (Expenses include a private gulfstar from Brisbane to Sydney, limos at either end and a case of XXXX each day.) Get your people to call my people. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spoonie 68 #19 Posted October 29 6 minutes ago, LB 15 said: Look no further. I am 10K a day plus expenses. (Expenses include a private gulfstar from Brisbane to Sydney, limos at either end and a case of XXXX each day.) Get your people to call my people. Quarantine fees? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LB 15 4,144 #20 Posted October 29 Just now, Spoonie said: Quarantine fees? Good point. Make that 15k a day. Plus some hookers and blow. Send pics of the hookers first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KC375 1,579 #21 Posted October 29 39 minutes ago, LB 15 said: What makes you think the local Skiffies want to spend a day on a 4knot shitbox? $$ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coconha 0 #22 Posted October 29 On 10/27/2020 at 5:50 PM, Jason AUS said: You get points for bravery. That would be very lumpy! Lol, posting here for the first time requires bravery. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coconha 0 #23 Posted October 29 7 hours ago, DickDastardly said: Brett's awesome, I've used him but tends to be dinghy focused AFAIK. Not sure whether he does much on offshore keelboats. Stuart Broom, Steve McConaghy are both excellent. Stu more on boat and crew organising, trimming and moves, Steve that plus more out of the boat on-water stuff. And ask around the yacht clubs who the various owners use. Thanks @DickDastardly, I will reach out to them too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 648 #24 Posted October 29 9 hours ago, LB 15 said: Look no further. I am 10K a day plus expenses. (Expenses include a private gulfstar from Brisbane to Sydney, limos at either end and a case of XXXX each day.) Get your people to call my people. or add these On 10/26/2020 at 2:06 PM, VWAP said: get a good crew (see below) then put the word out you are lookin for a coach and we come a runnin. then you are cheap? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sail4beer 1,879 #25 Posted October 29 Make sure to have someone take a bump of the blow for you in case it is loaded with fentynal. Can’t be on your game if you are nodding off like a junkie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LB 15 4,144 #26 Posted October 30 15 hours ago, The Dark Knight said: or add these then you are cheap? Not as cheap as them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coconha 0 #27 Posted October 30 On 10/28/2020 at 3:22 AM, Spoonie said: Well, I'll hopefully have my coach certificate by the end of the year... Google and word of mouth is a good start. Many of the guys running campaigns will coach on the side (normally to kids which is where the market is at). there is normally at least one or two qualified coaches at a given club, otherwise Sailing Australia has a list I think. Riggers and sail makers are worth asking but contrary to belief sail makers don't always make good coaches. Nor do good sailors. Understand what you want to get out the coach though. A good coach in your instance should probably teach you the process of learning with some instruction. A longer path than jumping on the boat and telling you how to go fast but you will be a better sailor for it. The problem with the latter is one guy will jump on with his or her opinions, the next guy will have theirs. There is tacit knowledge in making a boat go fast that can't be taught directly. What can be taught is the process of learning that tacit knowledge. Out of interest (and a little market research) what sort of budget did you have in mind? And would you consider a online service for a monthly subscription? Please PM with your details. Happy to chat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason AUS 246 #28 Posted October 31 On 10/29/2020 at 10:57 AM, DickDastardly said: Once upon a time 34 was a good mid size for offshore. Age has caught up with you Jason!! What? I can’t hear you! Speak up, you young Snap Her, Whip Her! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Cloud 279 #29 Posted November 2 On 10/29/2020 at 11:47 AM, LB 15 said: Good point. Make that 15k a day. Plus some hookers and blow. Send pics of the hookers blow first. Priorities LB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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