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3 hours ago, Grrr... said:

 Conservatism is resistance to progress.

If conservatives had always been in charge we'd still be living in caves eating raw meat.

Improved shelter and cooking with fire would still require more study.

This was about 150 years ago - it seems nothing has changed since.

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On 11/19/2020 at 11:40 AM, Sean said:

 

Wayne County Republican who asked to ‘rescind’ her vote certifying election results says Trump called her

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/19/wayne-county-rescind-certifying-election/


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President Trump called a GOP canvassing board member in Wayne County who announced Wednesday she wanted to rescind her decision to certify the results of the presidential election, the member said in a message to The Washington Post on Thursday.


 “I did receive a call from President Trump, late Tuesday evening, after the meeting. He was checking in to make sure I was safe after hearing the threats and doxing that had occurred.”

Get ready for some ethics fun with her. 
 

"ethics board found that there was enough evidence to move forward for a formal hearing Jan 20th. There is also a formal complaint against her for violating campaign finance laws with her 501c4...could result in jail time."

Palmer "filed a recall against two sitting Grosse Pointe Board Members and she would have to certify that election. She started a 501c4 to support 3 candidates for election which...she would have to certify...and she was down at the TCF during the count all...clear violations."

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11 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Get ready for some ethics fun with her. 
 

"ethics board found that there was enough evidence to move forward for a formal hearing Jan 20th. There is also a formal complaint against her for violating campaign finance laws with her 501c4...could result in jail time."

Palmer "filed a recall against two sitting Grosse Pointe Board Members and she would have to certify that election. She started a 501c4 to support 3 candidates for election which...she would have to certify...and she was down at the TCF during the count all...clear violations."

Federal crimes?

If so, a meeting with President Trump could square that away.

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4 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Federal crimes?

If so, a meeting with President Trump could square that away.

There may be federal issues. Not sure. Story about the complaint:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/30/grosse-pointe-school-board-election-ethics-complaint-board-of-canvassers/6087909002/

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29 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:
34 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Federal crimes?

If so, a meeting with President Trump could square that away.

There may be federal issues. Not sure. Story about the complaint:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/30/grosse-pointe-school-board-election-ethics-complaint-board-of-canvassers/6087909002/

I wonder if the visit to DC could result in a Squid pro Quote.

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On 11/19/2020 at 8:40 AM, Sean said:

“I did receive a call from President Trump, late Tuesday evening, after the meeting. He was checking in to make sure I was safe after hearing the threats and doxing that had occurred.”

Heh...right out of Hollywood. Trump says "Nice family ya got there. Just makin' sure they are safe. Hate for sumtin' to happen to the kids."

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47 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I wonder if the visit to DC could result in a Squid pro Quote.

More likely a promise of a pardon.  

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2 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

More likely a promise of a pardon.  

That's what I was suggesting.

He gets her to decertify by offering a pardon.

Kinda like the arrangement I have with my wife.  She scratches my back.....and, I let her.

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38 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

That's what I was suggesting.

He gets her to decertify by offering a pardon.

Kinda like the arrangement I have with my wife.  She scratches my back.....and, I let her.

I was actually thinking of the Michigan republican legislators who are apparently going to the White House on Tuesday.  That is true and blatant attempted fuckery.

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3 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

I was actually thinking of the Michigan republican legislators who are apparently going to the White House on Tuesday.  That is true and blatant attempted fuckery.

Relax, won't happen.  

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2 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

I was actually thinking of the Michigan republican legislators who are apparently going to the White House on Tuesday.  That is true and blatant attempted fuckery.

Completely agree.  They aren't even trying to hide their efforts to steal the election.

We just need one of the Faithful to tell us the Democrats did this first/worse/too.

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11 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

Relax, won't happen.  

His attempts to steal the election, with rabid support from way too many people, are indeed likely to fail.  They obviously fail on the merits and on the absurdity of the Giuliani clown show.  

But...Now is NOT the time to relax.  

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McConnell has to be shitting himself, more than usual.  If the GOP lose both Senate seats in GA, doesn't that make it 50-50?  Which means that Kamala will break all ties.  In essence, Mitch will be neutered.  I assume they do co-speakers if it's split equally.  Mitch has to get on the phone and tell Trump to quit fucking around for his own preservation.  

Trump's actions should create the greatest Democratic voter turnout in GA ever.  I get self-preservation and the desire to stay out of jail, but the time has come dipshit.  Stop the bullshit.  Take it like a man, now and then again in prison.  

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Posted this in another thread.

This is scary.

Why Republican voters say there’s ‘no way in hell’ Trump lost

“If President Trump comes out and says: ‘Guys, I have irrefutable proof of fraud, the courts won’t listen, and I’m now calling on Americans to take up arms,’ we would go,” said Fryar, wearing a button-down shirt, pressed slacks and a paisley tie during a recent interview at his office.

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7 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

McConnell has to be shitting himself, more than usual.  If the GOP lose both Senate seats in GA, doesn't that make it 50-50?  Which means that Kamala will break all ties.  In essence, Mitch will be neutered.  I assume they do co-speakers if it's split equally.  Mitch has to get on the phone and tell Trump to quit fucking around for his own preservation.  

Trump's actions should create the greatest Democratic voter turnout in GA ever.  I get self-preservation and the desire to stay out of jail, but the time has come dipshit.  Stop the bullshit.  Take it like a man, now and then again in prison.  

Won't it be sweet watching that asshat clown from KY squirm when Madame Veep walks into his house and sits next to his bigoted ass on the dais.

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12 minutes ago, JimBowie said:

Won't it be sweet watching that asshat clown from KY squirm when Madame Veep walks into his house and sits next to his bigoted ass on the dais.

^^This^^

And, when this happens - 

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1 hour ago, Left Shift said:

I was actually thinking of the Michigan republican legislators who are apparently going to the White House on Tuesday.  That is true and blatant attempted fuckery.

I hope we get to see the video as they spend the first hour each offering fawning praise to their leader. That and Ghooliani going apeshit crazy...

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On 11/20/2020 at 5:04 AM, Dog said:
On 11/20/2020 at 3:13 AM, Grrr... said:

Ah, back to changing shit inside the quote box so it can't be quoted easily.  You're so much fun.

While I disagree with you entirely, let's take a look at one thing in particular.  This statement:

>>It's quite interesting that your argument would continue the prevalence of whites in politics.  It would select on the basis of merit (like the NBA)

My initial reaction to this statement was incredulity.  You can't possibly be that stupid.  You can't bullshit an NBA game.  The guys who score more points win.  The players that play consistently better have better statistics.  There is no intellectual possibility of ever doing the same in politics.  The day that you can remove legacies, money, old boys clubs, tribalism, populism, nationalism and idealism from politics AND institue some kind of black and white points system is that day that your statement becomes true.  Which is fucking impossible.

You're a closet racist dog.  Conservatism is resistance to progress.

You're the one advocating discrimination on the basis of race...You're the racist.

Our system - our entire culture, economy and legal system - is deeply steeped in racial inequality.

This is beyond dispute. There are facts and figures to show that in every single walk of like white people out-represent minorities on the good stuff (jobs, income, wealth) and under-represent on the bad (drug convictions, prison sentences, etc.), so just stipulate it for a minute and don't try to be your usual sealioning self.

Given there is racial inequality throughout pretty much all walks of life in the U.S., it is virtually impossible to fix racial inequity without selecting for and addressing race.

You can't do it.

When white people have a long history of admitting white people to the ranks of management at corporations or to universities, you can't just say "Hey you, you need to be race-blind in your hiring/admitting now" and expect to accomplish ANYTHING. This has been shown repeatedly. You have to address the inequity head on, and yes, that indeed does require some degree of discrimination by race.

You have to say "Hey you, corporation with more than 500 employees, you need to have at least X% of your white collar jobs be not white people." Expecting people who have been running and supporting a racist system to fix it on their own does not work.

In this case, discrimination by race to offset racial inequity is not racist, it is in fact anti-racist because it is fixing the imbalance.

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3 hours ago, JimBowie said:

Won't it be sweet watching that asshat clown from KY squirm when Madame Veep walks into his house and sits next to his bigoted ass on the dais.

I don't have much hope it will happen if it didn't happen in the general, but man, it would help let me believe that the majority of people can be decent again.

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37 minutes ago, bhyde said:

Well, well, well. Looks like Trump's little visit from Michigans finest didn't go as planned.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/20/trump-meets-michigan-lawmakers-part-challenge-biden-win/6361814002/

Game, set, match. 

The Mango must not have had the same people who worked over Miss Lindsay so thoroughly do a deep dive on these guys.  Finding out nasty stuff like the time one of them pulled a girl's pigtails in 6th grade wasn't good enough to turn them.  

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41 minutes ago, bhyde said:

Well, well, well. Looks like Trump's little visit from Michigans finest didn't go as planned.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/20/trump-meets-michigan-lawmakers-part-challenge-biden-win/6361814002/

Game, set, match. 

Good them, I say.

(from the above link) WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump met Friday with Michigan lawmakers as part of an overall effort to reverse election losses in key states – but his guests said later that Michigan's electoral votes should go to the winner of its popular vote, and that is Joe Biden.

"The candidates who win the most votes win elections and Michigan's electoral votes," said a joint statement from Mike Shirkey, the majority leader in the Michigan state senate, and Lee Chatfield, speaker of the Michigan House. "These are simple truths that should provide confidence in our elections.”

Looks like there are a number of Republicans who have resisted the Trumpalo siren song....

3 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

The Mango must not have had the same people who worked over Miss Lindsay so thoroughly do a deep dive on these guys.  Finding out nasty stuff like the time one of them pulled a girl's pigtails in 6th grade wasn't good enough to turn them.  

I do not know what hold Trump has over the people who fawn over him so ridiculously, but I'm glad to see a bunch that don't. SecSt Raffensperger in Georgia seems to a man with some spine and a very good calm public demeanor. Probably not going to play well to voters though

- DSK

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14 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Good them, I say.

(from the above link) WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump met Friday with Michigan lawmakers as part of an overall effort to reverse election losses in key states – but his guests said later that Michigan's electoral votes should go to the winner of its popular vote, and that is Joe Biden.

"The candidates who win the most votes win elections and Michigan's electoral votes," said a joint statement from Mike Shirkey, the majority leader in the Michigan state senate, and Lee Chatfield, speaker of the Michigan House. "These are simple truths that should provide confidence in our elections.”

Looks like there are a number of Republicans who have resisted the Trumpalo siren song....

I do not know what hold Trump has over the people who fawn over him so ridiculously, but I'm glad to see a bunch that don't. SecSt Raffensperger in Georgia seems to a man with some spine and a very good calm public demeanor. Probably not going to play well to voters though

- DSK

Like I said, don't worry, at least about Michigan.

Isn't Trump running out of excuses? 

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Ahhh, do not worry, Trump and his sycophants here on PA will have gotten new orders from Giuliani by morning. All new circus come Monday.

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1 hour ago, Swimsailor said:

I don't agree with Mitt's policies but I do agree with his character.

Too little, too late.

This is his character;

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2 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Too little, too late.

This is his character;

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Yeah, he has had to play politics, otherwise he wouldn't be a Senator. He did vote to impeach Trump.

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6 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Posted this in another thread.

This is scary.

Why Republican voters say there’s ‘no way in hell’ Trump lost

“If President Trump comes out and says: ‘Guys, I have irrefutable proof of fraud, the courts won’t listen, and I’m now calling on Americans to take up arms,’ we would go,” said Fryar, wearing a button-down shirt, pressed slacks and a paisley tie during a recent interview at his office.

Don’t ignore this,    I know people who talk like this in the three red states I know well.   Some are ex military, one still has a government job.   All are good family men who think they are patriotic.   They all have guns.    None have a tie.   I don’t know how many would decide to leave their kids and act if Trump calls on them.   If enough start others will join.   

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You KNOW there will be a point where the inauguration stage will start going up.

I hope the hammering doesn't wake Donald up.

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20 minutes ago, Mike G said:

You KNOW there will be a point where the inauguration stage will start going up.

I hope the hammering doesn't wake Donald up.

I hope the hammering is nailing Donald up.

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5 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Got any evidence yet, bullshitters?

Don't hold your breath.

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11 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

Our system - our entire culture, economy and legal system - is deeply steeped in racial inequality.

This is beyond dispute. There are facts and figures to show that in every single walk of like white people out-represent minorities on the good stuff (jobs, income, wealth) and under-represent on the bad (drug convictions, prison sentences, etc.), so just stipulate it for a minute and don't try to be your usual sealioning self.

Given there is racial inequality throughout pretty much all walks of life in the U.S., it is virtually impossible to fix racial inequity without selecting for and addressing race.

You can't do it.

When white people have a long history of admitting white people to the ranks of management at corporations or to universities, you can't just say "Hey you, you need to be race-blind in your hiring/admitting now" and expect to accomplish ANYTHING. This has been shown repeatedly. You have to address the inequity head on, and yes, that indeed does require some degree of discrimination by race.

You have to say "Hey you, corporation with more than 500 employees, you need to have at least X% of your white collar jobs be not white people." Expecting people who have been running and supporting a racist system to fix it on their own does not work.

In this case, discrimination by race to offset racial inequity is not racist, it is in fact anti-racist because it is fixing the imbalance.

You can't end racial discrimination by practicing it.

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34 minutes ago, Dog said:

You can't end racial discrimination by practicing it.

Reading comprehension just ain't your thing.

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8 hours ago, Mike G said:

You KNOW there will be a point where the inauguration stage will start going up.

I hope the hammering doesn't wake Donald up.

What hammering?

 I can see certain people purposefully banging large sections of steel staging into large sections of aluminum decking, and the compressors running the impact drivers might be a little distracting... But by then Trump will either be quivering in the bunker, or down in Mar-a-loblo getting ready for his competing rally to be held at the same time as the inauguration, by snorting 8 balls of aderall, eating mountains  of hamberders, drinking covfefe, and diet coke.... Probably rent a couple of hookers to try to blow him too.... So he'll need a box of Viagra.

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1 hour ago, Dog said:

You can't end racial discrimination by practicing it.

You can't end racial discrimination by having a large number of people scream that ending it would be taking something away from them, that they're under attack

- DSK

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14 hours ago, Lark said:

Don’t ignore this,    I know people who talk like this in the three red states I know well.   Some are ex military, one still has a government job.   All are good family men who think they are patriotic.   They all have guns.    None have a tie.   I don’t know how many would decide to leave their kids and act if Trump calls on them.   If enough start others will join.   

Talk is cheap.

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6 hours ago, Dog said:

You can't end racial discrimination by practicing it.

You can't end racial discrimination or racism if you don't understand what it is or how it works. Your ideas are noble...sort of...from the perspective of someone who doesn't see or experience racism.

Stupidity can't be fixed, but ignorance can. I don't think you're stupid, even though you say a lot of not-smart things.

Also available at your library.

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2 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

 I don't think you're stupid, even though you say a lot of not-smart things.

I would disagree.

Have you any evidence of The Mutt posting anything non-stupid?

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Kinda brutal...Penn suit 

bolding mine.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057.202.0_1.pdf

 

I. INTRODUCTION In this action, the Trump Campaign and the Individual Plaintiffs (collectively, the “Plaintiffs”) seek to discard millions of votes legally cast by Pennsylvanians from all corners – from Greene County to Pike County, and                                                              1 Doc. 125. 2 Id. Since the filing of the initial complaint, there have also been several intervenors and amicus petitioners. Case 4:20-cv-02078-MWB Document 202 Filed 11/21/20 Page 1 of 37 - 2 - everywhere in between. In other words, Plaintiffs ask this Court to disenfranchise almost seven million voters. This Court has been unable to find any case in which a plaintiff has sought such a drastic remedy in the contest of an election, in terms of the sheer volume of votes asked to be invalidated. One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens. That has not happened. Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence. In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more. At bottom, Plaintiffs have failed to meet their burden to state a claim upon which relief may be granted. Therefore, I grant Defendants’ motions and dismiss Plaintiffs’ action with prejudice.

 

D. Plaintiffs’ Claims Plaintiffs’ only remaining claim alleges a violation of equal protection. This claim, like Frankenstein’s Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together from two distinct theories in an attempt to avoid controlling precedent.

 

 

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Just now, Mike G said:

Kinda brutal...Penn suit 

bolding mine.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057.202.0_1.pdf

 

I. INTRODUCTION In this action, the Trump Campaign and the Individual Plaintiffs (collectively, the “Plaintiffs”) seek to discard millions of votes legally cast by Pennsylvanians from all corners – from Greene County to Pike County, and                                                              1 Doc. 125. 2 Id. Since the filing of the initial complaint, there have also been several intervenors and amicus petitioners. Case 4:20-cv-02078-MWB Document 202 Filed 11/21/20 Page 1 of 37 - 2 - everywhere in between. In other words, Plaintiffs ask this Court to disenfranchise almost seven million voters. This Court has been unable to find any case in which a plaintiff has sought such a drastic remedy in the contest of an election, in terms of the sheer volume of votes asked to be invalidated. One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens. That has not happened. Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence. In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more. At bottom, Plaintiffs have failed to meet their burden to state a claim upon which relief may be granted. Therefore, I grant Defendants’ motions and dismiss Plaintiffs’ action with prejudice.

 

D. Plaintiffs’ Claims Plaintiffs’ only remaining claim alleges a violation of equal protection. This claim, like Frankenstein’s Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together from two distinct theories in an attempt to avoid controlling precedent.

 

 

Bullshitters just have such a tough time in the room where they have to take an oath or provide evidence. 

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Another version

 

Judge Dismisses Trump Lawsuit Seeking to Delay Certification in Pennsylvania

 

A federal judge in Pennsylvania dismissed on Saturday night a lawsuit by the Trump campaign that had claimed there were widespread improprieties with mail-in ballots in the state, ending the last major effort to delay the certification of Pennsylvania’s vote results, which is scheduled to take place Monday.

In a scathing order, Judge Matthew W. Brann wrote that Mr. Trump’s campaign, which had asked him to effectively disenfranchise nearly seven million voters, should have come to court “armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption” in its efforts to essentially nullify the results of Pennsylvania’s election.

But instead, Judge Brann complained, the Trump campaign provided only “strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations” that were “unsupported by evidence.”

The lawsuit, filed on Nov. 9, accused Pennsylvania’s secretary of state, Kathy Boockvar, and several counties with largely Democratic populations of unfairly handling mail-in ballots, which were used in unprecedented numbers during this year’s election. The suit claimed that under Ms. Boockvar’s guidance, the Democratic counties gave voters who had submitted mail-in ballots with minor flaws an opportunity to “cure” or fix them while counties with mostly Republican populations did not alert voters about faulty ballots. 

 
 

That, according to the campaign, violated the equal protections clause of the U.S. Constitution.

But Judge Brann rejected this argument, likening it to Frankenstein’s monster, which had been “haphazardly stitched together.” He ruled that the Trump campaign, lacking standing to make the claim, could not prove that it had suffered any harm if some counties, anticipating a deluge of mail-in ballots, helped their voters to file proper ballots while others did not. 

“That some counties may have chosen to implement” Ms. Boockvar’s suggestions while others did not, “does not constitute an equal-protection violation,” Judge Brann wrote.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/21/us/politics/pennsylvania-trump-court-ballots.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

 

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I think this is what Lindsay Graham meant when he said, “We have to reject this demagoguery, and if we don’t reject Donald Trump, we’ve lost the moral authority to govern this great nation.”

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21 minutes ago, Teener said:

I think this is what Lindsay Graham meant when he said, “We have to reject this demagoguery, and if we don’t reject Donald Trump, we’ve lost the moral authority to govern this great nation.”

He has said a lot of things which he apparently no longer believes.

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hands up anyone who doesn't believe tRump is expecting Quid pro quo from the SCOTUS

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WITH PREJUDICE.

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"One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens. That has not happened," Brann added. "Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence."

This is is so beyond ridiculous at this point.  Just admit it Bullshitters, you want war.

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48 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Rudy flaileth.

Is Sidney Powell really an alien?

I think "her" face was stolen from a person half her size and stitched on late last night.

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McEnany: Trump's path to victory is Supreme Court, exposing 'systemic' voter fraud

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“We have 234 affidavits in Michigan, of voters in one county saying this is what I observed. We have voters in Pennsylvania saying 'I showed up to vote, was told I couldn’t cast my ballot because there is a mail-in ballot that was cast on my behalf that wasn’t cast by me,'” McEnany said on "Fox & Friends Weekend."

McEnany said “real systematic claims” exist and will be brought before judges.

“Our justice system is where that will play, and that is something that the media cannot get in the way of. They can try to hide it, but the American people are smart. The 73 million people who showed up to vote for this president -- the most-ever votes for a sitting president -- they have a voice. We will be heard.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcenany-democrats-seized-on-a-pandemic-to-create-voter-fraud-epidemic

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4 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Rudy flaileth.

Is Sidney Powell really an alien?

It's a cook book! 

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On 11/20/2020 at 8:16 PM, SloopJonB said:

Too little, too late.

This is his character;

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One of the few R;s with a gag reflex.   

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3 hours ago, Mid said:

McEnany: Trump's path to victory is Supreme Court, exposing 'systemic' voter fraud

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcenany-democrats-seized-on-a-pandemic-to-create-voter-fraud-epidemic

Not wasting my life listening very long to that professional liar but...

Every time she made a ludicrous claim  she grinned as though she was barely able to keep herself from laughing at the absurd lie she was spouting. 
 

Despite her shape and healthy body, she certainly is an ugly person. . 

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She is my favorite cast member. She has no shame whatsoever. Mommy and daddy raised a good little liar and she will pass that abuse to her kids with no shame at all. She is the perfect face for the Age of Trump.

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In scathing ruling, judge dismisses Trump campaign's effort to overturn election results in Pennsylvania

Brann noted that the less than two-week-old case developed a "tortured procedural history" that included a parade of lawyers for the campaign, shifting legal arguments to avoid clashing with a federal appeals court ruling, and an eleventh-hour motion to delay a hearing.

Brann wrote that the lone legal claim left standing — an alleged violation of the U.S. Constitution's equal protection clause — was like "Frankenstein’s Monster ... haphazardly stitched together" from two legal theories.

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"One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption," he wrote. "Instead, this court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, ... unsupported by evidence."

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11 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

That’s just PR. Bullshit by bullshitters, for consumption by bullshitters. 

Drip drip drip

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18 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

You can't end racial discrimination or racism if you don't understand what it is or how it works. Your ideas are noble...sort of...from the perspective of someone who doesn't see or experience racism.

Stupidity can't be fixed, but ignorance can. I don't think you're stupid, even though you say a lot of not-smart things.

Also available at your library.

Your ideas are noble too.

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Wisconsin officials: Trump observers obstructing recount

A steady stream of Republican complaints in Milwaukee was putting the recount far behind schedule, county clerk George Christenson said. He said many Trump observers were breaking rules by constantly interrupting vote counters with questions and comments.

“That’s unacceptable,” he said. He said some of the Trump observers “clearly don't know what they are doing.”

Bullshit.  They know EXACTLY what they are doing.

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18 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Wisconsin officials: Trump observers obstructing recount

A steady stream of Republican complaints in Milwaukee was putting the recount far behind schedule, county clerk George Christenson said. He said many Trump observers were breaking rules by constantly interrupting vote counters with questions and comments.

“That’s unacceptable,” he said. He said some of the Trump observers “clearly don't know what they are doing.”

Bullshit.  They know EXACTLY what they are doing.

That’s stuff that is actually happening, so it doesn’t matter, let alone the fact that it’s Americans doing it, not democRATS. 

What matters is what could be happening and how bad it would be if it was happening and democRATS were doing it. 
 

Right Bullshitters?

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Just the right believing that they are right.  Evidence is for losers.  What they need is affidavits.  Every incident where they are reprimanded from obstructing the vote is another affidavit from every Trump employee in the room.

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9 hours ago, Gouvernail said:

Despite her shape and healthy body, she certainly is an ugly person. . 

After learning about Santa, that was probably my first major disillusionment as a child - realizing that physically beautiful people could be stupid, nasty and ugly inside.

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5 hours ago, Dog said:

Drip drip drip

MUELLER: 'If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so'

Now compare that to the PA ruling.  

Keep bullshitting.

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We need to have a few of those affadavits proven to be false, and a few people go to jail over them.  Given that lying is now de rigueur for Trump supporters, having a few people face real consequences for those lies would be a refreshing change.

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2 minutes ago, Rain Man said:

We need to have a few of those affadavits proven to be false, and a few people go to jail over them.  Given that lying is now de rigueur for Trump supporters, having a few people face real consequences for those lies would be a refreshing change.

Sunday news/talk shows addressed this heavily. One interview was with a lawyer for the firm that dropped representing the Trump campaign after going into court with zero evidence. He said they were quick to drop the case  rather than wait for Trump to fire them, because there are consequences in the legal profession for lying to judges or even treading close to the line of lying.

Kind of undercuts the argument that "Trump is exploring his legal options" when in fact he cannot present a case in court that has the slightest fact to back it up.

Also, vote-counting rooms are commonly under video surveillance. Video of Trump supporters obstructing the vote count in Wisconsin should go over real well on Fox News.

Former Gov. Chris Christie came out this morning soundly condemning Trump and his "strategy." Unfortunately a number of pro-Democrat talking heads attacked him on the issue anyway. Maryand Gov. Hogan also strongly condemned the Trump Campaign's actions and lack of transition.

FWIW I would say that lying was always de rigeur for Trump supporters. One of their primary go-to justifications.

- DSK

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32 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Video of Trump supporters obstructing the vote count in Wisconsin should go over real well on Fox News.

C'mon man, it's Fox News!  You're talking about brave patriots in the line of fire!

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41 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Sunday news/talk shows addressed this heavily. One interview was with a lawyer for the firm that dropped representing the Trump campaign after going into court with zero evidence. He said they were quick to drop the case  rather than wait for Trump to fire them, because there are consequences in the legal profession for lying to judges or even treading close to the line of lying.

Kind of undercuts the argument that "Trump is exploring his legal options" when in fact he cannot present a case in court that has the slightest fact to back it up.

Also, vote-counting rooms are commonly under video surveillance. Video of Trump supporters obstructing the vote count in Wisconsin should go over real well on Fox News.

Former Gov. Chris Christie came out this morning soundly condemning Trump and his "strategy." Unfortunately a number of pro-Democrat talking heads attacked him on the issue anyway. Maryand Gov. Hogan also strongly condemned the Trump Campaign's actions and lack of transition.

FWIW I would say that lying was always de rigeur for Trump supporters. One of their primary go-to justifications.

- DSK

They didn't lie - they presented alternative facts.

Once a statement was no longer operative they issued a new set of alternative facts.

Blatant and transparent lying has been Republican SOP since Ron Ziegler at least.

Goldwater famously said “Nixon was the most dishonest individual I have ever met in my life. He lied to his wife, his family, his friends, his colleagues in the Congress, lifetime members of his own political party, the American people and the world.”

Yet compared to the shitstain Nixon was a boy scout.

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5 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Whoops. It’s time to forget that you knew Sidney Powell. 

Trump prefers attorneys that leak fluids?

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There is always a tweet: From the stable genius on Nov 14th:

"I look forward to Mayor Giuliani spearheading the legal effort to defend OUR RIGHT to FREE and FAIR ELECTIONS! Rudy Giuliani, Joseph diGenova, Victoria Toensing, Sidney Powell, and Jenna Ellis, a truly great team, added to our other wonderful lawyers and representatives!

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19 minutes ago, bhyde said:

Ah yes. I always thought we had just a little too much democracy...

Key GOP Michigan canvassing board member expected to vote against certifying results

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/22/politics/michigan-election-result-certification/index.html

Let him. The state drops out of the election. I'm sure he'll be popular. Fucknugget Trumpistador.

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7 minutes ago, Ishmael said:
27 minutes ago, bhyde said:

Ah yes. I always thought we had just a little too much democracy...

Key GOP Michigan canvassing board member expected to vote against certifying results

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/22/politics/michigan-election-result-certification/index.html

Let him. The state drops out of the election. I'm sure he'll be popular. Fucknugget Trumpistador.

How are they going to get around the Faithless Elector laws that the US Supreme Court decided were good, just this summer?

- DSK

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1 minute ago, Steam Flyer said:

How are they going to get around the Faithless Elector laws that the US Supreme Court decided were good, just this summer?

- DSK

They will never get to that if he succeeds in not certifying the vote. He will just cancel the votes of the entire state because he's having a Trumptrum.

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Rudy needs more money for towels, he's sweating 45 gallons a day and increasing.

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3 minutes ago, Mid said:

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He's not looking forward to a huge crowd. What's the capacity, 200? 300 with guaranteed Covid?

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