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10 minutes ago, ed__miller said:

Promising to be the most accessible and viewed AC ever... 

https://www.americascup.com/how-to-watch

Well I like this bit 

Every matches and racing of the 36th America’s Cup presented by Prada will be streamed live on Youtube, Facebook and americascup.com in almost every country around the world.

because it has removed the caveat relating to where they have sold the broadcasting rights. But I'm still not clear whether they will cover the Christmas regatta in this way

(And I'm unimpressed with the standard of English for a press release)

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Let’s hope we can tune in live on YouTube from wherever we are around the globe and not subject to local tv paywalls. Dammed if I am going to pay for a SKY sports package just to watch a few ACraces and not the endless football related shite ;) 

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LIVE PRODUCTION

WEST4MEDIA SAILS TO THE AMERICA'S CUP

In spring 2021, the America's Cup - the oldest regatta in the world - sets course for Auckland, New Zealand. In an international tender, we in the team with Riedel Communications prevailed against major competition. Together we were able to convince with a technically and content-wise innovative concept. For the implementation of this Herculean task, the new production company "circle-o" has now been founded, based in Vienna.

For the America's Cup, circle-o is developing many technical innovations that promise a whole new experience of the major sports event. It doesn't start in 2021, but in 2019 with the "America's Cup World Series". A total of 8 regattas in Europe, USA and Asia will be produced by us until the final. 

The America's Cup is one of the greatest sporting events in the world. It is comparable to the Super Bowl, a soccer World Cup final or Formula 1. As far as the complexity of the TV broadcast is concerned, the task is even more difficult.

WEST4MEDIA and Riedel Communications have together over 60 years of experience with TV LIVE productions. As specialists in the field of camera technology, broadcast production, content and communication, Riedel Communications and WEST4MEDIA are responsible for major sporting events such as Formula 1, Olympic Games, Red Bull Air Races or the Stratos jump. A total of six Emmy Awards demonstrate success and know-how in this segment.

The audience can look forward to unconventional approaches and impressive pictures.

The America's Cup is a sailing regatta that was first held in 1851. The boats of two yacht clubs compete against each other in several races. At the America's Cup 36, the defending champion from New Zealand will fight the challenger who will be wanted over the next three years. The defending champion has home rights. That is why Auckland will be sailing in 2021.

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11 hours ago, Stingray~ said:
13 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

Super-fun audio, worth a listen. 

Ian, without question, is the original Energiser Bunny! 

I first met him in '95 in San Diego, along with my American-born son who'd just graduated college.  Ian and the ARL guys were installed in rooms down the hall in the hotel where we stayed. This was ARL's first essay into sailing graphics for TV.  Son started volunteering, then joined ARL and went back to NZ with the team. He's still in NZ. 

Talking about his company's first graphic work tracking Cup boats for TVNZ,  Ian recalls pitching their services to a room full of executive suits, only to be told it was impossible to do, and most certainly not in the time available.  His instant and indignant response: "I have boys who can do this!"

They could and they did.

 

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10 minutes ago, Indio said:

Why don't they bring in some guest commentators from the UK and US as a nice gesture to their Challengers?

c'mon .. thats just being desperate for anyone that knows which way up a sail goes

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15 minutes ago, Indio said:

Scotty Stevenson to call AC TV coverage?? WTF!! He barely knows anything about rugby which he's been calling since he was a little girl!!

Why don't they bring in some guest commentators from the UK and US as a nice gesture to their Challengers?

Saw in a North newsletter yesterday that Ken Read is coming to Auckland to do AC television commentary. Knows his stuff, obviously. Nice relaxed style.  The article did not state who he will be commentating for.

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11 minutes ago, KiwiJoker said:

 

Saw in a North newsletter yesterday that Ken Read is coming to Auckland to do AC television commentary. Knows his stuff, obviously. Nice relaxed style.  The article did not state who he will be commentating for.

That's good news - he'll complement Lester nicely if he gets the TVNZ gig although with the different broadcasters involved, we might get the option of different commentators. Freddy Carr was great value in BDA as well when BAR were knocked out..

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8 hours ago, Indio said:

Scotty Stevenson to call AC TV coverage?? WTF!! He barely knows anything about rugby which he's been calling since he was a little girl!!

Why don't they bring in some guest commentators from the UK and US as a nice gesture to their Challengers?

Worse than Scotty will be having to endure Toni Street at least Jesse Tuke who has quite a few clues will be reporting from on the water.

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https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/other/broadcast-coverage-details-36th-americas-cup-announced

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I expect the World Feed with Ken Read (Reed ?) and cohosts will be the best, and widely available online from everywhere. 
 

Am curious about if the new company will be able to reach or maybe even exceed Stan Honey’s LiveLine technology, that was very impressive considering it was developed to be effective even from moving heli’s. 

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8 hours ago, Priscilla said:

Worse than Scotty will be having to endure Toni Street at least Jesse Tuke who has quite a few clues will be reporting from on the water.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/other/broadcast-coverage-details-36th-americas-cup-announced

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If I read this correctly the TVNZ generated viewing will be "before and after" stuff and fluff.

"Each race day will kick off on TVNZ 1 an hour prior to the starting horn with insights, interviews, weather reports and news.

"Following the build-up, TVNZ will broadcast the world feed with data and graphic information for every event, along with a world-class commentary team."

 

 

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16 hours ago, KiwiJoker said:

 

Saw in a North newsletter yesterday that Ken Read is coming to Auckland to do AC television commentary. Knows his stuff, obviously. Nice relaxed style.  The article did not state who he will be commentating for.

Ken's a decent commentator - and a great guy! - but they really hold him back by making him explain absolutely everything. The amount of times he stumbled through trying to describe VMG in a unique way last cycle was ridiculous...

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2 hours ago, Varan said:

I would love to see this pair cover it...

 

 

Fuck hope not! The race will be over before they can complete a full sentence in English! And just imagine if the pre-start was tight and exciting...

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1 minute ago, Indio said:

Fuck hope not! The race will be over before they can get complete a full sentence in English! And just imagine if the pre-start was tight and exciting...

Yeah but it'd a bloody riot !!!! I'd sign up !!! 

And they know what they're talking about 

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51 minutes ago, Indio said:

Fuck hope not! The race will be over before they can complete a full sentence in English! And just imagine if the pre-start was tight and exciting...

Yes ahh its ah transition ah to ah similar to ah isa the keel of the boat but ah its different uh form uh the other us boatsa but a the keela....

Shoot me now. Great guys, but OMG the English is painful. And I'm Italian so I have official approval to rip 'em. 

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tvnz1 are covering the cricket so im guessing its their go to sports coverage channel

its also mentioned on the tvnz site  ( i was thinking it would be duke )

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19 minutes ago, Enzedel92 said:

SIMPLE QUESTION - WHAT CHANNEL WILL THE CHRISTMAS RACE BE TELEVISED ON?

It’s exclusive to Chapels and Cathedrals, better make a reservation! 

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Is anyone in NZ running a Plex server I could access :) I have tried VPN / Location Guard to watch TVNZ, but it fails, will keep trying, but if you are setup already = less trying

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10 hours ago, Enzedel92 said:

Well it wouldnt be the Americas Cup unless they made it a bitch to view.....

Except it's not the America's Cup, but carry on.

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10 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

It’s exclusive to Chapels and Cathedrals, better make a reservation! 

Where's the app? You told us "one hears" there's gonna be an app.

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On 11/12/2020 at 5:46 AM, ed__miller said:

Let’s hope we can tune in live on YouTube from wherever we are around the globe and not subject to local tv paywalls. Dammed if I am going to pay for a SKY sports package just to watch a few ACraces and not the endless football related shite ;) 

Leave the beautiful game out of this plz!

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6 hours ago, Indio said:

Except it's not the America's Cup, but carry on.

Not it the literal sense......

No the overarching theme since the year 2000 is that the Americas Cup and lead up events ALWAYS seem to NEVER have the TV coverage figured out until the last second.  And it is unusually and unnecessarily expensive or complicated.

Try this with the Super Bowl or the World Cup....would never happen.

 

Now we get into secret VPN hiders, bootlegged live feeds.....it just gets exhausting man........they have only had 4 years to plan.....

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I wonder if the entry fee situation for Christmas Cup has created a coverage impasse between CoR and D.

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5 hours ago, Enzedel92 said:

Not it the literal sense......

No the overarching theme since the year 2000 is that the Americas Cup and lead up events ALWAYS seem to NEVER have the TV coverage figured out until the last second.  And it is unusually and unnecessarily expensive or complicated.

Try this with the Super Bowl or the World Cup....would never happen.

 

Now we get into secret VPN hiders, bootlegged live feeds.....it just gets exhausting man........they have only had 4 years to plan.....

They did - but they've just this discovered the incompetence of Mayo&Calder who were engaged to manage the whole broadcasting infrastructure and worldwide agreements - and rightly sacked the fuckers!!

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3 hours ago, rh3000 said:

I wonder if the entry fee situation for Christmas Cup has created a coverage impasse between CoR and D.

There was an application by ERTNZ to the Arbitration Panel a little while back against LR-PP/CoR for failing to pay their share of the broadcasting budget.

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On 11/26/2020 at 6:35 AM, Flags said:

Is anyone in NZ running a Plex server I could access :) I have tried VPN / Location Guard to watch TVNZ, but it fails, will keep trying, but if you are setup already = less trying

TVNZ works fine with a VPN.  I'm busy watching TVNZ 2.  Works quite nicely.

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I see that Shirley Robertson was boarding a flight to NZ today. Might be for UK BBC stream, but more likely for the host broadcast?

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13 minutes ago, winchfodder said:

I see that Shirley Robertson was boarding a flight to NZ today. Might be for UK BBC stream, but more likely for the host broadcast?

As its unlikely that BBC will be live,  she could probably do both

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21 hours ago, Colomba said:

https://amp.tvnz.co.nz/news/story/JTJGY29udGVudCUyRnR2bnolMkZvbmVuZXdzJTJGc3RvcnklMkYyMDIwJTJGMTElMkYyNiUyRmFtLWN1cC02
What’s new? Looks like last time but facelifted? The grid was never calculated from the racing yachts?

I've always wondered how they did the grid, considering the shot from the helicopter was often moving so there were no consistent stationary reference points around which to build the ladder rungs.

Though as long as the graphics are more consistent than in SailGP, I honestly don't really care what they look like.

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6 hours ago, Ripclaw said:

TVNZ works fine with a VPN.  I'm busy watching TVNZ 2.  Works quite nicely.

WHich VPN service are you using? I use private internet access, and I believe their servers are "share / identified"

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On 11/23/2020 at 6:28 PM, KiwiJoker said:

 

Saw in a North newsletter yesterday that Ken Read is coming to Auckland to do AC television commentary. Knows his stuff, obviously. Nice relaxed style.  The article did not state who he will be commentating for.

I do like the way Ken speaks. Enough high level stuff to keep yachties interested and laid back enough to not sound like a normal American.

 

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6 hours ago, Swanno said:

I do like the way Ken speaks. Enough high level stuff to keep yachties interested and laid back enough to not sound like a normal American.

 

And happy to voice his astonishment at the speed and agility of new foiling yachts (as in the AC50's last time).

Like all of us, I imagine he'll be pretty amped about the first AC75's races.

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15 hours ago, winchfodder said:

I see that Shirley Robertson was boarding a flight to NZ today. Might be for UK BBC stream, but more likely for the host broadcast?

Good if she's part of the broadcast team...

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16 hours ago, Flags said:

WHich VPN service are you using? I use private internet access, and I believe their servers are "share / identified"

I'm using ExpressVPN.

If you've got an Android TV box or an Android device, e.g. a phone or a Chromecast, and are au fait with Kodi, you can read this by Matt Huisman, and then if you're comfortable, follow his guide.

Note that in order to run the TVNZ add-on for Kodi, you will need to have a VPN running, where you're spoofing your location as New Zealand.

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Who do we think is going to be the Kiwi voice on commentary? PJ Montgomery? Cameron Dunn, Pete Lester? I wouldn’t mind someone younger that knows what they’re talking about. Maybe Leo Takahashi? Alex Maloney? 

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49 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

Leo Takahashi?

Would be great to include him, even if for ‘color’ shots from the water. PJM is experienced but I’d prefer Lester for commentary.. easier on the ears :) 

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Sounds like Shirley Robertson and Ken Read are confirmed for the World Feed most of us will get. Haven’t seen any other names yet? 

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Peter Lester Phil Robertson and Jesse Tuke with Scotty Stevenson and Toni Street shoreside according to TVNZ

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51 minutes ago, Crux said:

Peter Lester Phil Robertson and Jesse Tuke with Scotty Stevenson and Toni Street shoreside according to TVNZ

There is no way PJ would not be in the mix.

Even in the last minute of the final race....

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Eeee....nuff already with PJM - & Lester is no spring chicken, skip to a new generation please, but sailors, max' 10% for the 'TV personalities' :D

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What has been your experience with NBC Sports Gold?  As best I've been able to determine this service is the sole means for watching AC36 in the United States.  A subscription  costs in the neighborhood of $180.  That gives access to all the practice sessions, the ACWS and the Cup competition.  Of these, only the first - practice -  is available free of commercials.   World Series and Cup events will allow the minimum exposure time agreed to by NBC and contracting sponsors.  I'm having a hard time convincing myself I should pay for the service and give my time away to advertising.  Clearly, this is not the Pay Per View business model.

Telecasts of AC35 and Sailing GP events had the network interrupt an event regardless of the what was happening on the water.  Close crosses, telling tactical moves and like events that contribute uniquely to the outcome were relegated to replays - another interruption - or missed entirely.   Banal commentary, often on subjects only weakly related to sailboat racing and rarely having anything to do with the race while we watch it, burdened discontinuity with disappointment.   I'm looking to folks who have used NBC Sports Gold to warn me if I should expect the broadcast to be little better than what NBC offers on a non-subscription basis.  Is NBC Sports Gold a reiteration of what I see through a cable service?  How often and in how many ways am I expected to pay for a privilege?

The sole alternative may be waiting for videos of the racing to be posted on YouTube.  I'd be in a position to say how much am I willing to pay to watch the events live if I could be assured of the quality of the telecast.

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I’m willing to pay for the NBC thing if it is commercial-free. Would like to know if that’s the deal? 
 

Otherwise, will just use a VPN and watch it on AC.com or YT. 

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If YouTube is not offered, there will be the one or the other pirate site around. Plus a HDMI cord or - for the ones with a smarter TV set - wireless projection, and you can get the broadcast for free.
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On 12/3/2020 at 4:41 PM, NZL4EVER said:

There is no way PJ would not be in the mix.

Even in the last minute of the final race....

I'll be desperately searching for the world feed if that is the case.

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No experience with NBC Gold but I'm not paying $175 for something that isn't commercial-free.

If it's anything like the NBC olympic streaming, be ready to get let down.

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We get NBC Sports, have not even seen if our carrier has Gold.

Maybe the screaming Aussie from Banging the Corners can do YouTube? 

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On 12/2/2020 at 11:03 PM, Stingray~ said:

Sounds like Shirley Robertson and Ken Read are confirmed for the World Feed most of us will get. Haven’t seen any other names yet? 

That works for me

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12 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

We get NBC Sports, have not even seen if our carrier has Gold.

Maybe the screaming Aussie from Banging the Corners can do YouTube? 

Nope, get this Irish guy on board!
 

 

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On 11/11/2020 at 11:28 AM, ed__miller said:

Promising to be the most accessible and viewed AC ever... 

https://www.americascup.com/how-to-watch

Fuck that noise. $175 USD to watch on a shit ass network in the states? What a bunch of hypocritical bullshit. Yeah I know I can get a VPN and do some pirate streaming, which is what I'll end up doing anyways, but this is fucking bullshit. ETNZ is all about #AC36FORALL, but what they really mean is #AC36FORRICHPEOPLE. Just what our sport needs.

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22 minutes ago, Just A Skosh said:

Fuck that noise. $175 USD to watch on a shit ass network in the states?

I was hoping that due to being a Comcast subscriber it was freely available but when I tried to login it didn’t recognize my Xfinity account. It’s also not made clear if that NBC Gold broadcast will be commercial-free; if it is then I may still subscribe to it and record to the box. It’s a lot of racing and color that’ll be included, the price per hour may be a reasonable value for a ‘fanatic.’ 

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Sailing My Cubicle offers a painful reminder:

"If it's anything like the NBC Olympic streaming, be ready to get let down."

I had thought my example of of the broadcast of Sail GP would suffice as an instance of poor production work degrading the event itself.  By citing coverage of the Olympics, Sail My Cubicle reminds us of NBC using an international event as a stage for marketing to what statisticians call a 'demographic."   The pace of the coverage and the commentary were bent along lines such films as  'Star Wars' and 'Fast & Furious' make familiar to us  These productions resonate with viewers.  Watch for their design though and you will see resonance being effected in the way a bell ringer pulls a rope:  Bang! Bang! Bang!  Two or three minutes of this leaves the audience eager for the pace to continue.  No wonder, then, that a commentary and coverage which follow this model offer little insight into an event we watch develop, some bits telling to the outcome, some not and much that just happens.   What's wrong here?  Well, for one, the pace is slow.  A 'bang!' comes once in a while.  Too much time is lost in while for the event on the water to sustain interest in 'bang!'

 

The technique I outline here compensates for the dulling effect of reality by juxtaposing rapid changes in perspective.  Boats maneuver in anticipation of a mark that lies minutes ahead.  Maneuvering on the water is brought to the screen in a collage of camera positions.  The collage is paced so as to create 'Bang! Bang! Bang! '   Suppose a telling maneuver goes overlooked.  No problem!  We'll grab it back in replay.  That's another 'bang!'  And the producer can impose the missing gybe wherever it fits.  Meanwhile, the race continues on the water.  

 

Sailing My Cubicle does us the favor of bringing to mind a familiar instance of the quality of an event out shining the mode of its presentation.   NBC is not alone in treating us this way.  I'm reticent to spend $175 for the privilege of having it done to me again.     

 

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2 hours ago, Just A Skosh said:

Fuck that noise. $175 USD to watch on a shit ass network in the states? What a bunch of hypocritical bullshit. Yeah I know I can get a VPN and do some pirate streaming, which is what I'll end up doing anyways, but this is fucking bullshit. ETNZ is all about #AC36FORALL, but what they really mean is #AC36FORRICHPEOPLE. Just what our sport needs.

Jesus. What's your problem?

WATCH ONLINE

Every matches and racing of the 36th America’s Cup presented by Prada will be streamed live on Youtube, Facebook and americascup.com in almost every country around the world.

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Interesting reading....as stated at the first press conference after ETNZ won the cup, viewing is available on line FOC in just about every country. The main glaring ommission China.

Surprising really, at one point a Chinese challenge for this cycle was being talked about.

But then again we are talking about China.

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On 11/10/2020 at 8:08 PM, zillafreak said:

Will the Christmas Cup be televised? Prada Cup? Streamed? Pirate TV? 

Guess what, 99.999999% of the world doesn't give a fuck - not even 10% of a fuck. Ernesto and Larry dirtied it beyond belief. We hoped the Kiwis would redeem it, but this shitshow just proves that it means less than the nothing it was before when only 99% of the world didn't either know about it or give a fuck.

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Rugby commentator doing the TV coverage with Peter Lester commenting?

But he has had a ride on ETNZ boat 1    !!

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4 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Looks like it will be on the Duke channel which is channel 23.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/categories/tvnz-1

 

they have been advertising it as tvnz1   .. its on their future nothing mentioned on duke .. although thats the channel it should be on

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On 12/3/2020 at 12:03 PM, Stingray~ said:

Sounds like Shirley Robertson and Ken Read are confirmed for the World Feed most of us will get. Haven’t seen any other names yet? 

I hope we can get Shirley and Ken here in NZ cos they will be a lot better than the local "talent".

I really enjoyed Ken, Shirley and Alistair Eyken last time.

Sounds like Alistair isn't coming so maybe Shirley will get even more air time which would be great.

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5 hours ago, Kate short for Bob said:

Duke is TVNZ1.  Check the guide https://tvguide.sky.co.nz/

tvnz has 3 channels

tvnz1  ( 1 with a circle around it )

tvnz2  ( 2 with a circle around it ) ... both at the top of that page

DUKE

on the 18th its advertised as being on duke .. but tvnz1 and tvnz2 have ... Programme Information Unavailable  ..

 

.. my guess would be its likely to be on duke and tvnz1 at the same time and or the more important races will be on one

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2 minutes ago, phill_nz said:

.. my guess would be its likely to be on duke and tvnz1 at the same time and or the more important races will be on one

I don't see why it would be on both.  Commercially why disrupt your main revenue earning channel - advertising and programming - to broadcast something that your normal audience isn't interested in?

However it is likely you are right but the only advance programming information that I have seen so far has it on DUKE except this ad which has it on TVNZ 1 and TVNZ On Demand.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/36th-americas-cup

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12 hours ago, enigmatically2 said:

GD: “You can push a button and watch it live, basically anywhere in the world.”

Here’s hoping this means the AC.com, YT and FB feeds will be completely open, no territorial restrictions. He does imply that.

Am also hoping for data feeds, maybe even including real-time like what ARL provided a simple app for last time, although post-race is fine too; and maybe  another ‘Virtual Eye’ type app? 
 

The World Feed will likely be great if they can do as good or better than LiveLine but TV is a bit one-dimensional given what’s been accomplished since AC34 SF. 

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4 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said:

I don't see why it would be on both.  Commercially why disrupt your main revenue earning channel - advertising and programming - to broadcast something that your normal audience isn't interested in?

However it is likely you are right but the only advance programming information that I have seen so far has it on DUKE except this ad which has it on TVNZ 1 and TVNZ On Demand.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/36th-americas-cup

 

i have no idea why they would put it on one when duke is underutilized and its demo is male

they put the cricket on 1 ( just brought the rights to it )

and have only broadcast one game so far .. they could have put it all on duke which is predominantly dead air when the cricket is being played

which i guess is my way of saying .. they don't have a fukin clue what they are doing or what should be done .. as is quite common in the fake area of media presentation .. reality is something you make up

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She pretty gusty out there at the moment!

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For the Brits, just to note, a flick through next weeks TV mag shows. Live racing from 2AM next Thursday, Friday, Saturday on Sky Sports Main Event and Mix. Couldn't find any BBC coverage.

 

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Isn't is still the plan that the live tv feed will be broadcast free on YouTube or similar. I thought that was what GD was aiming for?

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4 hours ago, winchfodder said:

Isn't is still the plan that the live tv feed will be broadcast free on YouTube or similar. I thought that was what GD was aiming for?

I’m getting that understanding too, YT and FB and AC.com will run it all live online for free from anywhere. The quality may be better via TV services but it’s all good if that’s going to be the case.
 

Guess we will find out for sure come next week. 

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4 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

I’m getting that understanding too, YT and FB and AC.com will run it all live online for free from anywhere. The quality may be better via TV services but it’s all good if that’s going to be the case.
 

Guess we will find out for sure come next week. 

Given YT does 1080p and at a very high bit rate, perhaps even 4k for this event, I can't imagine broadcast/cable would be anywhere near as good

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14 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

I’m getting that understanding too, YT and FB and AC.com will run it all live online for free from anywhere. The quality may be better via TV services but it’s all good if that’s going to be the case.
 

Guess we will find out for sure come next week. 

Here's hoping!

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15 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

I’m getting that understanding too, YT and FB and AC.com will run it all live online for free from anywhere. The quality may be better via TV services but it’s all good if that’s going to be the case.
 

Guess we will find out for sure come next week. 

Tell us about the app you heard was being developed.

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