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14 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

I am fairly prolific in posting, and make no bones about my positions.  Plenty of others know me and my politics.

However, if you say you don't you don't.

I will not shy away from calling bullshit when I think someone is bullshitting.  While you may not always be doing that, I do find you tend to hold forth on just about everything as if you are an expert.  That is pretty close to bullshitting, IMHO.  And, I am hardly alone in seeing your long-winded soliloquies as such.

Regardless, I have no problem with a "reset".  I've said my piece, and will move on.

That's the narrative.

But if you actually look at my posts, you'll find that I have a very narrow area of opinions and an even narrower area of expertise.

I don't comment on most threads. If I see a thread that is going in a direction that I agree (most threads, btw) then I have no comment, just an upvote here or there. Those upvotes are terrific time savers. But if I see the "pile on" technique used inappropriately, then I'll comment, and I'll comment extensively.

I have no problem with disagreement, or "calling bullshit." If an intelligent person can defend their position, that's great, that makes websites like this the king of all social media!

But when someone disagrees, and the limit of their disagreement is memes or one-line insults, that's not discourse, it's not debate, it's not really even calling bullshit. It's just childish nonsense.

You are obviously not one of those people. We do know people like that here, however. Sometimes they are sufficiently intelligent that it's worth the shitfight. Sometimes it's just a waste of time because it's not possible to shitfight with a septic tank.

(Cue some "seppo" barbs from the usual suspects.)

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A person cannot really be a peace-nik 

while countenancing Israeli treatment of the Palestinian people. 

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8 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

A person cannot really be a peace-nik 

while countenancing Israeli treatment of the Palestinian people. 

Are you confused?

Israel and Palestine have had more prolonged peace than any other nations who have been forced into the warring positions of resource extraction by the British Colonial system of conflict cartography.

By your logic, no cities or towns in the USA are safe to live since all cities and towns in the USA have crime.

It's good that you have convinced yourself that only your own brand of activism is acceptable, in that tenure-like determinism. But of course, that outlook has a narrow scope..

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1 hour ago, mikewof said:

Israel and Palestine have had more prolonged peace than any other nations who have been forced into the warring positions of resource extraction by the British Colonial system of conflict cartography.

Well, much as I don't cotton much to perfidious Albion, only a lunatic would blame the Brits 

for the sins of modern Zionism. 

You are nutso.  

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34 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

... the sins of modern Zionism. 

 

 

Israel was founded by WW 2  and holocaust survivors.  From day one it was been encircled by regimes dedicated to the total destruction of the Jewish state. It has been in a state of permanent low-level conflict with occasional outbreaks of war. 

The Israelis have won every war and expanded their territory every time they won. They also have nukes, and their neighbours know they will use them if forced to do so. As a result they are a little bit more secure than they were before. But this is the middle east, which means the shit is endless. 

I had an illuminating conversation with a young intelligent Israeli tourist a year or so ago. He said something that really struck me: "Israel, the whole nation has PTSD. Everybody."

So for us in our safe homes to judge some of the harsh shit they do shows unawareness of their reality. In  the USA, Canada, Australia, the continued existence of our country is not under unending threat.

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1 hour ago, AJ Oliver said:

Well, much as I don't cotton much to perfidious Albion, only a lunatic would blame the Brits 

for the sins of modern Zionism. 

You are nutso.  

I'm a nutso to blame the Brits who divided up land with the specific purpose of resource extraction and tribal unrest?

Or are you a nutso for not seeing what is right in front of your face? Even the advent of radical Islamic fundamentalism wore the fingerprints of the Crown?

The "sins of modern Zionism" seem oddly centered around the fashionable progressivism of singling out a remarkably peaceful democracy while variations of the same theme times a thousand go unnoticed in all the other places of the planet. But there is a reason that your scope limits itself, you'll just never have to face that reason because everyone around you is similarly afflicted.

That's by design.

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12 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

A person cannot really be a peace-nik 

while countenancing Israeli treatment of the Palestinian people. 

Yeah but what do you suggest should be done?

FKT

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Just now, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Yeah but what do you suggest should be done?

FKT

The answer is fairly obvious. Conflict between Jews and Muslims?

The Pork Bomb. Threaten both sides with an aerosol weapon containing rotten pig guts and they'll start being civil to each other.

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7 minutes ago, Happy said:

The answer is fairly obvious. Conflict between Jews and Muslims?

The Pork Bomb. Threaten both sides with an aerosol weapon containing rotten pig guts and they'll start being civil to each other.

Now that's a winner :)

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5 hours ago, Happy said:

 

Israel was founded by WW 2  and holocaust survivors.  From day one it was been encircled by regimes dedicated to the total destruction of the Jewish state. It has been in a state of permanent low-level conflict with occasional outbreaks of war. 

The Israelis have won every war and expanded their territory every time they won. They also have nukes, and their neighbours know they will use them if forced to do so. As a result they are a little bit more secure than they were before. But this is the middle east, which means the shit is endless. 

I had an illuminating conversation with a young intelligent Israeli tourist a year or so ago. He said something that really struck me: "Israel, the whole nation has PTSD. Everybody."

So for us in our safe homes to judge some of the harsh shit they do shows unawareness of their reality. In  the USA, Canada, Australia, the continued existence of our country is not under unending threat.

I've had very similar conversations with Israelis, and I think it's a realistic assessment.

The Jewish conservative parties have become the bad guys though. The response to the Holocaust of 3 generations ago should not be to visit a new Holocaust on your neighbors. Most of the Israelis I know are either in academia or medicine, and are neither strongly religious nor conservative.

- DSK

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The Zionist Reich cannot even handle a debate about their conduct. 

Just ask Norman Finkelstein and so many others who got fired for speaking out about Israeli mis-behavior. 

And Jewish guy Bernie Sanders, brave as always, supports Palestinian rights. 

If the US stopped sending military aid to Israel, they'd make peace with the Palestinians in a week. 

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5 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

I've had very similar conversations with Israelis, and I think it's a realistic assessment.

The Jewish conservative parties have become the bad guys though. The response to the Holocaust of 3 generations ago should not be to visit a new Holocaust on your neighbors. Most of the Israelis I know are either in academia or medicine, and are neither strongly religious nor conservative.

- DSK

That you equate Israel's and Palestine's ongoing unrest to a "new Holocaust" suggests that you either don't know anything about the Holocaust, or you don't know anything about Israel and Palestine.

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2 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

The Zionist Reich cannot even handle a debate about their conduct. 

Just ask Norman Finkelstein and so many others who got fired for speaking out about Israeli mis-behavior. 

And Jewish guy Bernie Sanders, brave as always, supports Palestinian rights. 

If the US stopped sending military aid to Israel, they'd make peace with the Palestinians in a week. 

Bernie should support Palestinian rights, because Palestinians have rights. Despite occasional border disputes, Israel obviously supports Palestinian rights and Palestine obviously supports Israeli rights.

As for Finkelstein, he used to teach at my old school. When you want tenure, and then you won't play the game, you don't get tenure. Tenure is the carrot dangled in front of those who refuse to accept a future of variability. What working-class person gets any kind of tenure for doing things like fixing diesel engines, nailing shingles on a roof, or assembling electric cars on an assembly line? If you want to be part of some weird-ass upper crust that has a guaranteed job until you're ready for the emeritus party, then you have so little connection to the realities of life, that you get what you get. Finkelstein didn't play the game property, he lost. Boo fucking hoo, cry me a river.

The U.S. sends military aid to Israel because all these Americans are scared to shit of their own shadows, and the idea of China, Russia, India, or even France with the same electronic warfare that we buy from Israel, terrifies us. So we bribe them to not sell it to anyone else. The reality is that Israel HAS made peace with the Palestinians, and the Arabs, and the Jordanians, and the Egyptians and that sphere of peace keeps growing. That apparently drives a highly cultured, highly-intelligent Zionist-hater like you mad with fury.

But ultimately, it's not really a new story here is it AJ? The cracker-ass slaveholder in the old South could just love his house Negroes to the end of days, but the minute a few them got uppity and wanted some freedom, or wanted their own country where they didn't have to keep seeing their pasts and futures wiped out in a constant parade of pogroms, Holocaust and mayhem, then it was time to lay down the beating.

Them Jews, right AJ? Them fucking Jews, right man? Like Steam Flyer writes, they're fine when they're in "academia or medicine" and they're fine when they're "neither strongly religious nor conservative" just like the House Negroes. But they want their own destiny? They want their own country? They want to get their hands dirty building a future? They don't want to lay down while the world rolls over them? Hell, just tighten you bow-tie, look at the emeritus plaque on the wall, and call them a "Reich" even as the choices that you make, the wealth and luxuries you enjoy, prolong the oppression in your own country. And it's an oppression that $1,500 to some charity might remove some of the guilt, but ultimately a bunch of 501(c)3 salaries of fellow academics is not going to undo oppression.

Fuckin' Jews, right, brother?

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I'm sitting here in my office with my stack of books to read next to me. 

On top of the stack is On Palestine by Chomsky & Pappe. I've read a lot of Chomsky, another brilliant Jewish guy; who is hugely critical of the Zionist project as it is today. 

And in fact, millions of American Jews are highly critical of Israel, as well they should be. 

If you think that Israel treats the Palestinian people with any decency at all, I would invite you to spend some time with a Vets For Peace or Christian Peacemaker Team in Hebron (for example) so you can watch Israeli settlers throw stones at Palestinian kids trying to go to school. The Teams provide unarmed escorts for the kids, and get beaten for their trouble with some frequency. 

For most of the world community, Israel gets no pass for its aggression and human rights abuses just because of the Holocaust. 

And I see Mikey is playing the anti-Semitism card, the go-to argument used against any criticism of Israel. 

 

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6 minutes ago, mikewof said:

Israel obviously supports Palestinian rights

I really did not read much farther than this B-S Crazy assertion. 

Mike you are just as nuts about the Middle East as you are about COVID. 

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4 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

I'm sitting here in my office with my stack of books to read next to me. 

On top of the stack is On Palestine by Chomsky & Pappe. I've read a lot of Chomsky, another brilliant Jewish guy; who is hugely critical of the Zionist project as it is today. 

And in fact, millions of American Jews are highly critical of Israel, as well they should be. 

If you think that Israel treats the Palestinian people with any decency at all, I would invite you to spend some time with a Vets For Peace or Christian Peacemaker Team in Hebron (for example) so you can watch Israeli settlers throw stones at Palestinian kids trying to go to school. The Teams provide unarmed escorts for the kids, and get beaten for their trouble with some frequency. 

For most of the world community, Israel gets no pass for its aggression and human rights abuses just because of the Holocaust. 

And I see Mikey is playing the anti-Semitism card, the go-to argument used against any criticism of Israel. 

 

Anti-Semitism? Nah, for you, let's pick Anti-Zionist instead. At least you won't deny that you hate the idea of a bunch of self-determined Jews.

My old man mailed a bunch of his old WWII weapons (including some German war-prize guns) to Israel in the 1950s when they were fighting with whatever they could dredge up. If you think that "millions of American Jews" are willing to equate Zionism as Nazism as you have done in this thread, then you have rocks in your head that no amount of tenure can erase.

That you are able to focus on Israel's pretty good track record with the people who have tried to exterminate Israel, and simultaneously ignore your own country's dismal record with killing literally hundreds of thousands of innocents in an unending string of wars, just labels you as the anti-Zionist that you are. And yeah, you're proud of hating Zionists, it puts wind in your sails. But you send a few Shekels to the "regretful former soldiers" and Jesus then cleanses your soul, you get to ignore the massive damage of your own making, while pointing out any flaw in the people you hate.

Your lack of balance clearly shows you hate certain people. And yes, you're okay with the House Jews, but you are very clear of your hatred for the Jews who took it on themselves to forge their own destiny and become Zionists.

In your mind, there is no difference between a Jew who wants to determine his or her own future, and a Nazi.

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15 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

I really did not read much farther than this B-S Crazy assertion. 

Mike you are just as nuts about the Middle East as you are about COVID. 

And you equate any self-determined Jew with Nazis.

 

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7 minutes ago, mikewof said:

And you equate any self-determined Jew with Nazis.

An obvious lie, and libelous besides. 

I turned you into the mods. 

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5 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

The Zionist Reich cannot even handle a debate about their conduct. 

Just ask Norman Finkelstein and so many others who got fired for speaking out about Israeli mis-behavior. 

And Jewish guy Bernie Sanders, brave as always, supports Palestinian rights. 

If the US stopped sending military aid to Israel, they'd make peace with the Palestinians in a week. 

You think so? I'd give odds that they'd do ethnic cleansing on a massive scale right up to defensible borders, then stop and make peace.

That may not be the outcome you had in mind.

I keep saying it - the Israelis are never going to make peace on the terms the Palestinians demand because if they do, there won't be an Israel any longer. I am not defending what they've done since 1967, I think the creeping theft of land needs to stop and they need to pay a massive penalty for it, but they're not going to agree to peace terms involving return to 1948 borders *AND* right of return of original inhabitants and all subsequent descendents. They cannot agree to that and still have a country.

I also asked what your personal proposals were. Crickets.

FKT

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8 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

An obvious lie, and libelous besides. 

I turned you into the mods. 

Of course you did.

And yet, oddly, your words shine like a beacon across your outrage ...

11 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

Zionist Reich

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Zionist Reich

11 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

Zionist Reich

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Zionist Reich

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6 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

I also asked what your personal proposals were. Crickets.

How can he have a rational proposal for people whom he likens to Nazis?

His rationality jumped the shark far too long ago for a proposal. Like the Nazis, he wants any and all Zionists obliterated, put into the ground, their impact on history erased, their legacy left with little more than an historical footnote.

And to be clear, he is very clear that any Jew (and even some non-Jews) who believe that Jews should have their own nation, is a Zionist, and thus a Nazi.

The wicked irony here of course, is that the "Land of Jews" has become the most freedom-loving destination for Arabs, Christians, B'hai, Sufis, and others who not only maintain their Israeli citizenship, but have their own parliamentary representation, in a region where they often can't be safe if their sexual orientation, faith, or political ideals fall outside of the norms of the Muslim world. These people too, are Zionists, and thus A.J. considers them Nazis, and he supports their eradication.

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It is pretty obvious that the Zionists, many of whom a great souls, 

are not the same as the "Zionist Reich" - who do share some characteristics with fascists. 

Mikey misunderstands purposefully - and suggests that any criticism of Israel 

is anti-Semitic. That is total BS. But that is the game they play (see below). 

My main man Bernie called Netanyahu as “a reactionary racist . ." 

Sounds like Bebe merits the label of "Reichista" to me; or if you prefer "Zioniost Reich". 

I owe FKT absolutely nothing - but I will say that it is way past time for the US to pull back on

unconditional support of Israel - and terminate or limit military and other aid. 

Actually this year is looking pretty good for our side (the side of a balanced US-Israel policy). 

Both Reps Omar and Tlaib were targeted by the Israeli lobby, and both won handily. 

Good article Intercept  https://theintercept.com/2019/02/11/ilhan-omar-israel-lobby-documentary/

 leaders of the pro-Israel lobby speak openly about how they use money to influence the political process, in ways so blunt that if the comments were made by critics, they’d be charged with anti-Semitism. 

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9 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

An obvious lie, and libelous besides. 

I turned you into the mods. 

Fuck you are a prissy little man child. You come on to this unmoderated forum, label everyone, then go running off to the Mods crying like a whiny cunt the second you get a single grain of sand kicked in your festering vagina.

You are nothing but tiresome bearded Homo.

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1 minute ago, LB 15 said:

Fuck you are a prissy little man child. You come on to this unmoderated forum, label everyone, then go running off to the Mods crying like a whiny cunt the second you get a single grain of sand kicked in your festering vagina.

You are nothing but tiresome bearded Homo.

What an arrogant punk you are. 

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3 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

What an arrogant punk you are. 

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@LB 15

If you think this site is "unmoderated", just stop being 

deferential to the owners of big guns as see what happens. 

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2 minutes ago, Chris in Santa Cruz, CA said:

 Pretty much a troll fest. 

Shhhhhhhhhh. I want to play Professor douche bag for a bit longer.

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6 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

@LB 15

If you think this site is "unmoderated", just stop being 

deferential to the owners of big guns as see what happens. 

Bit early to be on the Sherry fat boy. What the fuck are your rambling on about?

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1 minute ago, LB 15 said:

Shhhhhhhhhh. I want to play Professor douche bag for a bit longer.

Well the bar is pretty high around here and that shit is hard to fake unless you really get in character and stay there. I wish you the best.

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It would be a pretty fucking unhumorous world without Monty Python and Australia. ;)

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1 minute ago, Chris in Santa Cruz, CA said:

Well the bar is pretty high around here and that shit is hard to fake unless you really get in character and stay there. I wish you the best.

Cheers. I will give it my best shot.

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2 minutes ago, 3to1 said:

hey LB15, next time you go for a bike ride, use a saddle.

Good one. Now shut the fuck up - I am trying to be 'deferential to the owners of big guns' like old Proff cunt mouth told me to be.

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18 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Good one. Now shut the fuck up - I am trying to be 'deferential to the owners of big guns' like old Proff cunt mouth told me to be.

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There have been more than a few twinkies over the bow with that one though I am sure I could motivate anyway.

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11 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Bit early to be on the Sherry fat boy. What the fuck are your rambling on about?

Can your snarky self deal with the content of post #  223 ??  how about 215 ? 

I seriously doubt it.  

And Sherry is for dilettantes - I do Cab. 

 

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41 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

... Zionists.... "Zionist Reich"... fascists..."Reichista"..."Zioniost Reich". 

This post? I edited out all the boring shit and just left your labels. Think yourself lucky. Not everyone gets to look at a cunt every morning while they clean their teeth. Or do you just leave yours in a glass by the bed?

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10 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

I'm sitting here in my office with my stack of books to read next to me. 

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3 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

This post? I edited out all the boring shit and just left your labels. 

You likely care about as much about the rights of the indigenous in OZ. 

You wear your distain for learning and humanity as a badge of honor. 

I have more respect for Mikey than you - which is saying something. 

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19 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

You likely care about as much about the rights of the indigenous in OZ. 

You wear your distain for learning and humanity as a badge of honor. 

I have more respect for Mikey than you - which is saying something. 

And I have nothing but disdain for you. The only real difference is that I know how to spell it.

You really are a stupid cunt.

 

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2 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

I have more respect for Mikey than you - which is saying something. 

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The score so far is about 7-0 in LB's favour. (That includes 2 bonus points for style and artistic expression.)

Particular style points for using only four "cunts" and originality for "tiresome bearded homo."

This is more fun than arguing about Israel.

 

C'mon AJ, assemble a stinging riposte involving Aussie racism, genocide, and general rudeness.

 

 

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4 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

Can your snarky self deal with the content of post #  223 ??  how about 215 ? 

I seriously doubt it.  

And Sherry is for dilettantes - I do Cab. 

 

Sherry is for men of character, men of discerning tastes. A good amontillado possesses complexities and nuances that you could never understand. You show your peasant upbringing by calling is "cab". It is Cabernet. You disgust me.

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12 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

It is pretty obvious that the Zionists, many of whom a great souls, 

are not the same as the "Zionist Reich" - who do share some characteristics with fascists. 

Mikey misunderstands purposefully - and suggests that any criticism of Israel 

is anti-Semitic. That is total BS. But that is the game they play (see below). 

My main man Bernie called Netanyahu as “a reactionary racist . ." 

Sounds like Bebe merits the label of "Reichista" to me; or if you prefer "Zioniost Reich". 

I owe FKT absolutely nothing - but I will say that it is way past time for the US to pull back on

unconditional support of Israel - and terminate or limit military and other aid. 

How can you be a professor and not know how to use a paragraph? (Top Tip: paragraph breaks are usually not placed in the middle of a sentence unless you're a 22 year old poetry chick.)

And how can you be a professor and be unable to discern the difference between Nazism and Zionism?

Your disagree with certain Zionists? Okay, people disagree with you. That disagreement does not morph you into a Nazi.

It may morph you into a dipshit, but not a Nazi.

Given that, in third grade after school reporter fashion, you've made a lot of complaints about Israel, and Palestine but no suggestions. Is your outrage the kind that you pull from a can?

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12 hours ago, Chris in Santa Cruz, CA said:

I doubt he would disagree. He is right about the unmoderated nature of this venue, though. Pretty much a troll fest. 

Yeah, and the discussion then gets nowhere. The forces of idiocy continue to rule the day.

Meanwhile, the Professor's "Zionist = Nazi" schtick still plays well to my fellow lefties who neither travel nor read the Christian Science Monitor, and they will presumably be dropped into the ground eventually with no actual curiosity about what Palestinians, Israelis and Jordanians really think.

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56 minutes ago, mikewof said:

Yeah, and the discussion then gets nowhere. The forces of idiocy continue to rule the day.

Meanwhile, the Professor's "Zionist = Nazi" schtick still plays well to my fellow lefties who neither travel nor read the Christian Science Monitor, and they will presumably be dropped into the ground eventually with no actual curiosity about what Palestinians, Israelis and Jordanians really think.

What they really think...

Example:  When my wife went to Palestine a while back many of the locals, when they found out she was a North American, would emphatically say " No CNN, No CNN!" or something similar. 

Oddly enough CNN was not reporting the Palestinians did not approve of CNN's dishonest portrayal of them. Hmmm...

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1 hour ago, mikewof said:

lefties who neither travel nor read the Christian Science Monitor,

Hmmm, I've been to 50 countries. How about you, sport ? 

And how do the worthies at the CSM treat Covid again ?? 

And Chomsky is an interesting case. He first learned about social anarchy working in an Israeli kibbutz as a young guy, and picked up the doctrine of the universal dignity of all humans. Since then, he has been a staunch defender of the weak against the strong, and of minority rights - including Palestinians. 

Bernie too. 

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1 hour ago, mikewof said:

Yeah, and the discussion then gets nowhere. The forces of idiocy continue to rule the day.

Meanwhile, the Professor's "Zionist = Nazi" schtick still plays well to my fellow lefties who neither travel nor read the Christian Science Monitor, and they will presumably be dropped into the ground eventually with no actual curiosity about what Palestinians, Israelis and Jordanians really think.

I think its safe to say a  lot think they got fucked and live just down the street from the stone age in a desert.

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6 minutes ago, Chris in Santa Cruz, CA said:

a  lot think they got fucked and live just down the street from the stone age in a desert   in the giant open-air prison that is Gaza 

Check out the Gaza Flotilla, and how the Zionist-Reich treated them . . 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/31/q-a-gaza-freedom-flotilla

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25 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

Hmmm, I've been to 50 countries. How about you, sport ? 

And how do the worthies at the CSM treat Covid again ?? 

And Chomsky is an interesting case. He first learned about social anarchy working in an Israeli kibbutz as a young guy, and picked up the doctrine of the universal dignity of all humans. Since then, he has been a staunch defender of the weak against the strong, and of minority rights - including Palestinians. 

Bernie too. 

You traveled, got tenure, and apparently get your news from Stormfront.

The world can be an odd place sometimes.

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5 minutes ago, mikewof said:

You traveled, got tenure, and apparently get your news from Stormfront.

I check the Common Dreams news site just about every day - and a number of other newsy sources as well. 

Here is a good article with information that you will not find elsewhere. 

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/12/02/despite-trump-efforts-foment-war-iran-experts-say-biden-has-chance-restore-needed

As it has periodically done over the past two decades, the U.S. intelligence community last year affirmed that Iran is not trying to build nuclear weapons and that Tehran remained in compliance with the JCPOA even after the U.S. reneged on the deal.

The US Reich seems to be deathly afraid that peace may break out. 

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3 hours ago, mikewof said:

And how can you be a professor and be unable to discern the difference between Nazism and Zionism?

Or spell disdain?

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1 hour ago, AJ Oliver said:

Hmmm, I've been to 50 countries. 

Then you have probably heard the term  ‘Douche bag’ in about 20 different languages by now. 

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2 minutes ago, LB 15 said:
3 hours ago, mikewof said:

And how can you be a professor and be unable to discern the difference between Nazism and Zionism?

Or spell disdain?

Yes it's hard to pick the difference sometimes.

They both run concentration camps.

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16 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

I owe FKT absolutely nothing - but I will say that it is way past time for the US to pull back on

unconditional support of Israel - and terminate or limit military and other aid.

Of course you don't owe me anything like a thoughtful and reasoned reply.

Which is fortunate, because you can't make one. You have not a single suggestion you're willing to put forward WRT a lasting peace settlement between Israel and the Palestinians. Not a single one.

At least, not one you're prepared to make in public.

FKT

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2 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

Hmmm, I've been to 50 countries. How about you, sport ?

Yeah, we've seen how popular those cruise ship tours were with obese US citizens.

FKT

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2 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

I check the Common Dreams news site just about every day - and a number of other newsy sources as well. 

Here is a good article with information that you will not find elsewhere. 

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/12/02/despite-trump-efforts-foment-war-iran-experts-say-biden-has-chance-restore-needed

As it has periodically done over the past two decades, the U.S. intelligence community last year affirmed that Iran is not trying to build nuclear weapons and that Tehran remained in compliance with the JCPOA even after the U.S. reneged on the deal.

The US Reich seems to be deathly afraid that peace may break out. 

I'm not going to lose sleep over the Iranian Regime. They imprison, torture, and execute feminists, Sufis, Kurds, union leaders, homosexuals and children.

I have little doubt that Iran isn't currently building a nuke, they're like an ant-pile in a playground, every time they try some miscreant six year old kicks over their pile.

I mean, seriously, what kind of mamaluk do you have to be torture Baha'is? They're the chillest people on the planet, they make Buddhists and Hindus look like a gang of soccer hooligans in comparison. But Iran does it, they fuck with Baha'is.

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Honest to Bee-Jeebus 

y'all Reichistas will do just about anything to 

avoid dealing with the Chomsky. 

I wish it were not thus, but Iran is much less of a threat 

to the well being of the species than the Hyper-Power. 

Don't make me unleash the Chomsky-Kraken. 

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7 hours ago, mikewof said:

I mean, seriously, what kind of mamaluk do you have to be torture Baha'is? They're the chillest people on the planet, they make Buddhists and Hindus look like a gang of soccer hooligans in comparison. But Iran does it, they fuck with Baha'is.

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On 12/3/2020 at 4:04 PM, LB 15 said:

Shhhhhhhhhh. I want to play Professor douche bag for a bit longer.

"do him slowly" as it were? :)

 

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33 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

Honest to Bee-Jeebus 

y'all Reichistas will do just about anything to 

avoid dealing with the Chomsky. 

Sorry, but I cannot forgive him for transformational grammar. It destroyed a year of English study for me, only for Chomsky to later come out and say it was a load of hogwash anyway.

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They all do it! Us too! Maybe we don't so much anymore but all it takes is some gut deep fear of the unknown to take hold and gitmo is back up to top speed. 

The big reality is that as a % of global population on an annual basis the deaths from starvation and/or violence are the lowest ever in human history. But, we are programmed to react intently to uncertainty and the idea of possible imminent resource depreivation or physical harm to loved ones. There is no reaction to happiness and feelings of safety so advertisers and media and politicians manipulate people by instilling in them a feeling of fear based on mythical threats or a feeling of being an outsider by not owning something or other etc.

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7 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

Honest to Bee-Jeebus 

y'all Reichistas will do just about anything to 

avoid dealing with the Chomsky. 

I wish it were not thus, but Iran is much less of a threat 

to the well being of the species than the Hyper-Power. 

Don't make me unleash the Chomsky-Kraken. 

And now you believe that a number of people here, in this sailing forum populated by millionaires with sailing yachts, are in fact Nazis too.

You care about Chomsky. Got it. He's an academic, you're an academic. Academics tend to understand each other.

Chomsky is beloved by anti-Zionists the world over because he's a Jew, and they get to wash their hands of the stink that such a position rationally generates.

Chomsky doesn't understand Zionism for roughly the same reason you don't understand it. And your incessant "Reich" bullshit is at that core. You're out of touch with reality for the same reason Chomsky is out of touch. Academia is a bastion of luxury.

You might plant a garden, but it's not because you're trying to have a mess of dirt cheap food all Autumn. You might spend a few days fingers-to-tits in the engine bay of an old car, but not because you can't afford to send it to a mechanic and have to get some fucking compression if you have a prayer of getting to work. You might hunt, you might fish, but not because your children are hungry at home.

Academia is like politics, clergy, journalism and officer training school ... It's a way for working class kids to have a chance to mingle with the elite without being of the elite. And if you spend a bit of time running errands for the elite like teaching their children, running their wars, or giving them salvation, they tend to throw a few coconuts to the ground for you.

And then you'll be able to donate $1,500 to your favorite 501(c)3 with the 62% overhead that pays people similar to yourself. You'll be able to buy the sailing yacht, just like a handful of the parents of the kids you trained, and you'll be able to judge an.entire nation full of socialists who work fingers to tits in an engine bay because that's their job, or plant cucumbers because that's their job, or nail shingles to a roof because that's their job.

And now some of those mechanics, farmers and roofers call you on your lack of grounding for the same reason that they can safely ignore Chomsky, and you label these people who disagree with you as part of the "Reich."

It fails for the same reason you fail ...

Pedantic philippics the likes of Arendt and Chomsky have long been seen to lend highbrow heft to the cause of anti-Israel advocacy. Yet in their substance, if not necessarily their style, their arguments were often indistinguishable from the manic outpourings of dime-a-dozen demagogues, firebrands and rabble-rousers. Tibor Krausz, https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/culture/how-the-left-got-zionism-wrong-the-odd-case-of-chomsky-and-arendt-612030

It fails for Israel, it fails for here, it fails for the same reason a Monday Morning Armchair Quarterback tells his mates around the office water cooler what he would have done on Fourth-and-8 on the 32 yard line that would have given his Lions one in the W-column. It fails because you and Chomsky both are pseudo-elite, genuine-intellectuals who get to fuck for pleasure and who haven't had to fuck for money in so many decades that you can't possibly understand why a bunch of working class Jews don't necessarily want to have their lifeless bodies plowed into the soil ... again.

 

So now I've wrestled in the academic pig shit with one of my own, as oblivious as you are, there is only one redemption for either of us, AJ; as always, thank heavens for Petula.

 

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3 hours ago, mikewof said:

And now you believe that a number of people here . . . are in fact Nazis too

That is about all I read of Mike's post; I guess he needs reminding that the use of 

the term "Reich" was strongly approved in a PA poll (80%). 

And his playing of the anti-Semitic card is as offensive as it is stupid. 

His story does not add up at all - there is nobody on the planet who 

opposes police violence in the US while supporting it in Israel. 

Another really good Mid East analyst is Juan Cole of the Univ of Michigan - 

speaks both Arabic and Farsi - and he was also the target of the Zionist Reich for daring to speak and write the truth. 

Here is his take on the murder of Fakhrizadeh - read him instead of Mikey. 

https://www.juancole.com/2020/12/murdering-sponsored-terrorism.html

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On 12/3/2020 at 12:03 AM, AJ Oliver said:

@LB 15

If you think this site is "unmoderated", just stop being 

deferential to the owners of big guns as see what happens. 

Well I have given both Clean and The Ed huge amounts of shit at various times with nary a hint of being banned. FYI

Also I have the worst of the nuts on here blocked, so I don't even know what they say about me and thus don't get worked up about it ;)

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1 hour ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Well I have given both Clean and The Ed huge amounts of shit at various times with nary a hint of being banned. FYI

Also I have the worst of the nuts on here blocked, so I don't even know what they say about me and thus don't get worked up about it ;)

And who cares, they are fruitcakes and their opinions are worthless. I ignore them because they have nothing besides adolescent horseshit.

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19 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

Don't make me unleash the Chomsky-Kraken. 

Keep you fly closed and that nasty shriveled little member tucked away where no one has to see it.

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8 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Well I have given both Clean and The Ed huge amounts of shit at various times with nary a hint of being banned. FYI

Also I have the worst of the nuts on here blocked, so I don't even know what they say about me and thus don't get worked up about it ;)

Whenever Scooter bans me we always have a good laugh about it and the childishness that happens on here. Clean flamed my first post 11 years ago and has never looked back. 

That is why...

Fuck I love this place.

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On 12/3/2020 at 4:52 AM, LB 15 said:

Fuck you are a prissy little man child. You come on to this unmoderated forum, label everyone, then go running off to the Mods crying like a whiny cunt the second you get a single grain of sand kicked in your festering vagina.

You are nothing but tiresome bearded Homo.

Welcome back LB, nice to see your in fine health :P

Think I’ll walk out of this bar as well. 

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On 12/3/2020 at 5:01 AM, Chris in Santa Cruz, CA said:

I doubt he would disagree. He is right about the unmoderated nature of this venue, though. Pretty much a troll fest. 

When it’s the only bar in town and all that.......:P

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On 12/3/2020 at 5:29 AM, LB 15 said:

This post? I edited out all the boring shit and just left your labels. Think yourself lucky. Not everyone gets to look at a cunt every morning while they clean their teeth. Or do you just leave yours in a glass by the bed?

I’m still in lockdown, so I’ll save the rest of this for later entertainment. Thanks LB

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Hey no worries mate. I had better get back to my shit fight with JS over on the covid thread. Busy morning.

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11 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Hey no worries mate. I had better get back to my shit fight with JS over on the covid thread. Busy morning.

Good luck, it's nice to see someone with a serious work ethic.

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Meanwhile, it looks as though the Drumph is gearing up for an attack on Iran. 

But y'all would rather flame 

Did a single one of you punks read the cites above ?  

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1 minute ago, AJ Oliver said:

Meanwhile, it looks as though the Drumph is gearing up for an attack on Iran. 

But y'all would rather flame 

Did a single one of you punks read the cites above ?  

I looked at the pictures.

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Just now, Ishmael said:

I looked at the pictures.

Describe them then . . 

you know you can't 

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2 minutes ago, AJ Oliver said:

Describe them then . . 

you know you can't 

Guess I fail this class.

 

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8 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Guess I fail this class.

Dam right you fail - as does anyone here who goes on a thread just to flame or snark; 

all that does is raise the level of stupid, which is too high already.

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2 hours ago, AJ Oliver said:

Dam right you fail - as does anyone here who goes on a thread just to flame or snark; 

all that does is raise the level of stupid, which is too high already.

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Oh my god! A meme! We have been zinged!

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2 hours ago, Chris in Santa Cruz, CA said:

This forum needs a footnotes feature.

AJ needs a blow job.

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