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Proposed: Giuliani should be disbarred

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A lawyer who engages in a pattern of violating the professional code of ethics by repeatedly filing frivolous lawsuits is at risk of being disbarred.

Now that yet another lawsuit seeking to disenfranchise millions of voters has been summarily cast out in a scathing decision by a Trump-appointed judge in Pennsylvania, it is clear that such a pattern exists. 

Because of the national importance of dealing swiftly and harshly with attempts to undermine our democratic form of self governance, I call upon the ABA to consider rendering such judgment upon Rudy Giuliani, whose recent disgusting attacks upon our nation's election officials and system of election has been shown to be frivolous and damaging.

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I agree, Rudy is now an embarrassment to the legal profession.

And that takes some doing.

Sidney Powell should be disbarred for the same reasons.

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2 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

A lawyer who engages in a pattern of violating the professional code of ethics by repeatedly filing frivolous lawsuits is at risk of being disbarred.

Now that yet another lawsuit seeking to disenfranchise millions of voters has been summarily cast out in a scathing decision by a Trump-appointed judge in Pennsylvania, it is clear that such a pattern exists. 

Because of the national importance of dealing swiftly and harshly with attempts to undermine our democratic form of self governance, I call upon the ABA to consider rendering such judgment upon Rudy Giuliani, whose recent disgusting attacks upon our nation's election officials and system of election has been shown to be frivolous and damaging.

I agree.

Can this on-line forum really disbar a lawyer? I didn't know w had such powers! If I had known I'd have been a little more careful... well, yeah, a little

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31 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Why in the world would anyone want that?

Trump needs to stick with his moronic useless legal team. God forbid he get smart lawyers :o

Why would any "smart lawyers" sign up to represent such a loser?

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1 hour ago, phillysailor said:

A lawyer who engages in a pattern of violating the professional code of ethics by repeatedly filing frivolous lawsuits is at risk of being disbarred.

Now that yet another lawsuit seeking to disenfranchise millions of voters has been summarily cast out in a scathing decision by a Trump-appointed judge in Pennsylvania, it is clear that such a pattern exists. 

Because of the national importance of dealing swiftly and harshly with attempts to undermine our democratic form of self governance, I call upon the ABA to consider rendering such judgment upon Rudy Giuliani, whose recent disgusting attacks upon our nation's election officials and system of election has been shown to be frivolous and damaging.

I'm sure they'll get right on it.

BTW... did you see what your legislature did?

House Co-Sponsorship Memoranda - PA House of Representatives (state.pa.us)

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IIRC, and this goes to the many conversations I had with my father and grandfather (both lawyers) the lawyer is obligated to do as his or her client directs them.  Of course, they have the option of refusing to take on a client (unless ordered by the court to do so) and the option to advise their client if a particular avenue is inadvisable to take.  But if a client insists, they have to proceed, as long as it's legal.

Maybe our resident attorneys can clear the air on this.

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Accountability is in order. A pound of flesh is not. 

I am a citizen of a free society,  and I expect accountability about (if not from) Trump, Giuliani, Stone, Flynn, Manafort, Prince, and even Papadopoulos. Each  showed that he had things to hide. 

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Rudy is just a clown show distraction. He’s there solely for PR, on-camera bullshitting. When the real lawyers all quit, they brought in the clowns to do PR, but the case filings were different than the on camera bullshitting, because lawyers have a duty of candor to the tribunal, and (if federal) the prospect of Rule 11 clipping them for unsupported (by evidence, bullshitters) claims. The PA court mocked them for not alleging fraud. There’s a reason for that; they don’t have any evidence. 


Disbarment? I think that’s mostly done when someone screwsor bullshits  a client. Rudy’s client wants him out there bullshitting. He’s pissed when his minions aren’t bullshitting. The guy who lied to his client is the one who is supposed to represent the American people, but bullshitted for the benefit of someone else. The AG should be disbarred. He’s the dangerous one. 

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1 hour ago, Dog said:

I'm sure they'll get right on it.

BTW... did you see what your legislature did?

House Co-Sponsorship Memoranda - PA House of Representatives (state.pa.us)

This is not what our legislature "did". What you quoted is the insignificant fol de rol of a minority of politicians in my state. It's not even a bill, not even proposed legislation.

It's an idea of something that at some point might be introduced.

I could show you what I did this morning, but I've already flushed it and then washed my hands.

When and if this ever gets introduced, I doubt it would amount to much more than headlines. Much like GOP legislation these past four years. 

Sound & fury amounting to nada

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Is the disbarment of Rudy likely? Nope, according to everything I've read. Mostly because legal types are loathe to deprive their colleagues of their livelihood just for vigorously representing their clients, but also because of the political motivations which would inevitably impact such a ruling and it's interpretation by other lawyers and the public. Doesn't mean I can't be in favor of using the threat of disbarment to dissuade rich jerks from abusing the legal system.

It should come as no surprise that California intellectual property lawyer Patrick Missud was disbarred for moral turpitude.  After all, Missud clogged the federal and state courts for years with frivolous lawsuits and bizarre, often outrageous, litigation conduct. On October 1, 2014, a Review Board of the State Bar Court of California adopted a hearing panel’s recommendation that Missud be disbarred. See In re Patrick Alexandre Missud, State Bar Court of California, No. 12-O-10026 (Oct. 1, 2014).  Given his outlandish behavior over such a long time period, the only real question is this–what took them so long?

 

From Wikipedia: Vexatious litigation is legal action which is brought solely to harass or subdue an adversary. It may take the form of a primary frivolous lawsuit or may be the repetitive, burdensome, and unwarranted filing of meritless motions in a matter which is otherwise a meritorious cause of action. Filing vexatious litigation is considered an abuse of the judicial process and may result in sanctions against the offender.

A single action, even a frivolous one, is usually not enough to raise a litigant to the level of being declared vexatious. Rather, a pattern of frivolous legal actions is typically required to rise to the level of vexatious. Repeated and severe instances by a single lawyer or firm can result in eventual disbarment.

Examples here, here's one on frivolous lawsuits regarding electoral results.

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Reasons why the 2020 presidential election is deeply puzzling

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‘Over votes.’ Pennsylvania mailed out 1.8 million ballots, but 2.5 million ballots were returned. In 10 Pennsylvania counties, Biden secured more votes than there were registered Democratic voters. In Nevada, there are 77,982 more votes in the presidential election than total ballots cast; Biden’s current margin is 33,596. Ballots exceeded the number of residents by 2.5 times in some Georgia precincts

 

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4 minutes ago, jdege said:

Reasons why the 2020 presidential election is deeply puzzling

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‘Over votes.’ Pennsylvania mailed out 1.8 million ballots, but 2.5 million ballots were returned. In 10 Pennsylvania counties, Biden secured more votes than there were registered Democratic voters. In Nevada, there are 77,982 more votes in the presidential election than total ballots cast; Biden’s current margin is 33,596. Ballots exceeded the number of residents by 2.5 times in some Georgia precincts

 

That is false

Do some better research

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2 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Why would any "smart lawyers" sign up to represent such a loser?

Rudy charges 20k a day. I wonder if Donny will pay his bill? 

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Just now, LB 15 said:

Rudy charges 20k a day. I wonder if Donny will pay his bill? 

Every morning Rudy gets his $20K in used notes in a brown paper bag. By evening he's blown at least $5K on whiskey, hair dye, hookers and blow. 

His work overheads are low because he uses interns from the DOJ to do all the writing and paperwork. He also saves by booking the press conference venues himself, when he's drunk.

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13 minutes ago, Happy said:

Every morning Rudy gets his $20K in used notes in a brown paper bag. By evening he's blown at least $5K on whiskey, hair dye, hookers and blow. 

His work overheads are low because he uses interns from the DOJ to do all the writing and paperwork. He also saves by booking the press conference venues himself, when he's drunk.

What the hell does he drink to produce such a manic-yet-brainless state? Gasoline?

- DSK

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5 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

What the hell does he drink to produce such a manic-yet-brainless state? Gasoline?

- DSK

As far as I can ascertain (by deep research and casual invention), Rudy can assign his mental and physical deterioration to our Aussie friends shipping him cases of Bundaberg spiced rum monthly.  

We all thank you.

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8 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

As far as I can ascertain (by deep research and casual invention), Rudy can assign his mental and physical deterioration to our Aussie friends shipping him cases of Bundaberg spiced rum monthly.  

We all thank you.

Goes beautifully with purple Kool Aid.

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3 hours ago, phillysailor said:

I think his smart lawyers quit or are in jail

 Maybe the ones in jail are not so smart.....But they are certainly losers.

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Just now, Left Shift said:

As far as I can ascertain (by deep research and casual invention), Rudy can assign his mental and physical deterioration to our Aussie friends shipping him cases of Bundaberg spiced rum monthly.  

We all thank you.

Perhaps he's also become a fan of Aussie NFL? Watching that will knock off at least ten IQ points a week.

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4 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

It seems remarkably like the fact-free Guiliani lawsuit that was just laughed out of court.

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9 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

The AG should be disbarred. He’s the dangerous one. 

Mr. Barr ain't right.  It takes talent for cat that fat to twist himself up like a pretzel.

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8 hours ago, Happy said:

Every morning Rudy gets his $20K in used notes in a brown paper bag. By evening he's blown at least $5K on whiskey, hair dye, hookers and blow. 

His work overheads are low because he uses interns from the DOJ to do all the writing and paperwork. He also saves by booking the press conference venues himself, when he's drunk.

I think you pretty much covered it.

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Now that I have thought about it, Rudy should be dismembered, or whatever the argument started with.

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12 hours ago, Jules said:

IIRC, and this goes to the many conversations I had with my father and grandfather (both lawyers) the lawyer is obligated to do as his or her client directs them.  Of course, they have the option of refusing to take on a client (unless ordered by the court to do so) and the option to advise their client if a particular avenue is inadvisable to take.  But if a client insists, they have to proceed, as long as it's legal.

Maybe our resident attorneys can clear the air on this.

They can choose not to but then some other fucker will get the hourly rate to tilt at windmills and then they feel stupid because they can tilt at windmills and fleece their clients as good as anyone so they might as well!

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1 hour ago, Ishmael said:

Now that I have thought about it, Rudy should be dismembered, or whatever the argument started with.

He and Dershowitz should be made to eat each other's dicks while sitting on epsteins grave. I think plochmans mustard and a nice Chianti would be fitting.

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18 hours ago, Jules said:

IIRC, and this goes to the many conversations I had with my father and grandfather (both lawyers) the lawyer is obligated to do as his or her client directs them.  Of course, they have the option of refusing to take on a client (unless ordered by the court to do so) and the option to advise their client if a particular avenue is inadvisable to take.  But if a client insists, they have to proceed, as long as it's legal.

Maybe our resident attorneys can clear the air on this.

They can, and sometimes do, quit.

Trump Campaign Lawyers Quit Pennsylvania Lawsuit—Again

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17 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Chances are that this matter was not the first, nor will it be the last case those attorneys had before that judge. The judge will remember the bullshitters who brought specious, evidence-free bullshit into the courtroom, just as sure as if they had squatted down and snapped off a steaming log right in front of the bench. They’re not going to throw away their careers for one bullshitter who isn’t likely to pay their bills anyway. 

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The ABA doesn't disbar or otherwise discipline lawyers. There is a disciplinary authority in each state for that. 

A lawyer may not be shielded from discipline for committing an unethical act merely because a client directed the act. The obligation to follow client directives extends only to ethical acts. 

A lawyer may not file meritless law suits without violating the duty of candor to the court, among others. 

I have no idea what if anything will happen with Giuliani, but there is a lot of misinformation here. 

 

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On 11/28/2020 at 11:02 AM, Ishmael said:

Sidney Powell should be disbarred for the same reasons.

Have you seen her latest filings?  Absolutely Priceless.

On 11/28/2020 at 1:21 PM, Sol Rosenberg said:

The PA court mocked them for not alleging fraud

Well that's over.  Because Sidney's new suits DO allege fraud.   

Her evidence is a downright bizarre mix of "expert" affidavits (read: unsupported conclusions, that read more like paranoid ramblings than anything else) and hearsay that's already been tossed out in other suits (if there was any doubt: she didn't remove the old case number before typing in the new: the header's a garble with both, superimposed).  The whole thing's a typo-fest, nobody proofread it... it's just a ridiculous mess.  She's getting compared to Orly Taitz  -  which is, frankly, an insult to Orly.

 

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13 minutes ago, frenchie said:

Have you seen her latest filings?  Absolutely Priceless.

Well that's over.  Because Sidney's new suits DO allege fraud.   

Her evidence is a downright bizarre mix of "expert" affidavits (read: unsupported conclusions, that read more like paranoid ramblings than anything else) and hearsay that's already been tossed out in other suits (if there was any doubt: she didn't remove the old case number before typing in the new: the header's a garble with both, superimposed).  The whole thing's a typo-fest, nobody proofread it... it's just a ridiculous mess.  She's getting compared to Orly Taitz  -  which is, frankly, an insult to Orly.

 

Never heard of Orly Taitz... wow, thanks... I think....

Looks like the Hugo Chavez election tampering claim is recycled from her... wonder if they're paying her royalties?

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On 11/28/2020 at 2:27 PM, jdege said:
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‘Over votes.’ Pennsylvania mailed out 1.8 million ballots, but 2.5 million ballots were returned.

In 10 Pennsylvania counties, Biden secured more votes than there were registered Democratic voters. In Nevada, there are 77,982 more votes in the presidential election than total ballots cast; Biden’s current margin is 33,596. Ballots exceeded the number of residents by 2.5 times in some Georgia precincts

 

Pennsylvania mailed out 1.8 million ballots... for the June primary... and received 2.5 million ballots... for the November general election.

Hurr, durr.

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3 minutes ago, frenchie said:

Pennsylvania mailed out 1.8 million ballots... for the June primary... and received 2.5 million ballots... for the November general election.

Hurr, durr.

jdege is apparently one of those gullible people that Trump loves.

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12 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

jdege is apparently one of those gullible people that Trump loves.

PT Barnum was spot on the money.

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On 11/28/2020 at 11:40 AM, LB 15 said:

Rudy charges 20k a day. I wonder if Donny will pay his bill? 

He'[s not asking for anything, by the look of it. 

 https://thehill.com/homenews/526360-giuliani-denies-asking-for-20000-a-day-to-do-legal-work-for-trump

 The Trump Family6 follows the mafia-associate business model. Made members, or "associates" earn, they don't get paid. Being associated with some organizations allows for a heck of a lot of earning so it makes sense. See the movie "Casino" for an example. Their head guy in Vegas "still had to earn" despite that "earning" placing the whole operation at risk. In the world of celebrities hanger-ons can do all kinds of stuff to make money. Write books, paid speaking, even taking a cut in transactions like "buy and bury" stories, sue people who know they would be bankrupted by legal bills IF they were to out-last Trump lawyers, pay off porn stars, et al.    

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47 minutes ago, frenchie said:

Pennsylvania mailed out 1.8 million ballots... for the June primary... and received 2.5 million ballots... for the November general election.

Hurr, durr.

I heard they mailed out close to 3 million for the general.  
 

Frankly as a Republican, these efforts embarrass me.  
 

There are a lot of irregularities across the board but I expect it is more from the shear numbers of mail in and absentee ballots, most states had to deal with rather than any sinister plot. 

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57 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Never heard of Orly Taitz... wow, thanks... I think....

Looks like the Hugo Chavez election tampering claim is recycled from her... wonder if they're paying her royalties?

- DSK

I just read the Wikipedia article about her.  Sounds like she would fit right in with Rudy and Sidney Powell.  

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1 minute ago, The Joker said:

There are a lot of irregularities across the board but I expect it is more from the shear numbers of mail in and absentee ballots, most states had to deal with rather than any sinister plot

There would have had to be several hundred times more fraud committed and not just "irregularities"...

https://shass.mit.edu/news/news-2020-pandemic-voting-mail-safe-honest-and-fair-stewart

There simply was not the fraud that Trump claims there was.  And anyone who thinks there was should show Giuliani so he can present it.

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Not difficult to make the case there was in fact massive election fraud. There has been nothing the republican administration has accused the democrats of that they, the republicans have actually been doing themselves. 

And this election they, the republicans, have the Dems over a barrel. There is no way Dems will hew and cry at any signs of fraud, they won the election. It's not in the Dems best interest.

Republicans have, and still are trying, to throw this last election. They pulled out all the stops, made their best effort, and as is their pattern, was not enough to outweigh the will of the majority of Americans. 

However, republicans will not stop trying to undermine our Democracy. We Americans were lucky this time, women, young people, and our brothers, and sisters came to rescue the nation.

We can only hope we have the will, and strength to do it again. 

If not, our nation is lost.

 

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7 hours ago, The Joker said:

There are a lot of irregularities across the board but I expect it is more from the shear numbers of mail in and absentee ballots, most states had to deal with rather than any sinister plot. 

States that have universal mail-in were already prepared and relatively irregularity free.  The rest of the country should follow their lead.

The voter suppression through resource allocation (targeted oppressively long lines), was headed off by mail-in and early voting.  I expect there was a net benefit in the outcome in spite of the, sometimes deliberate, incompetence of administering mail-in voting.

Let's hope that Georgia doesn't to return to the status quo with the run-off.

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9 hours ago, Teener said:

States that have universal mail-in were already prepared and relatively irregularity free.  The rest of the country should follow their lead.

The voter suppression through resource allocation (targeted oppressively long lines), was headed off by mail-in and early voting.  I expect there was a net benefit in the outcome in spite of the, sometimes deliberate, incompetence of administering mail-in voting.

Let's hope that Georgia doesn't to return to the status quo with the run-off.

We have had mail-in voting in WA State for 10+ years, and it works great.  I've had my ballot rejected due to them not liking my signature (because of my tremor).  They contacted me and now like my new signature. . . I think that they will accept anything from me now.  My wife and I once put our ballots in each other's envelope by mistake.  They also contacted us for verification of our ballots and then accepted them.  They are checking.

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Well dadgummit how in the hell are we supposed to go through all the trouble to selectively close polling stations to suppress the nigra vote if’n y’all is just gonna let them send their ballots by mail. Someone needs to slow down the postal service, especially in “those” areas. 
 

wait what? Really?

um, never mind that last part. 

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On 11/28/2020 at 11:00 PM, phillysailor said:

A lawyer who engages in a pattern of violating the professional code of ethics

That would equate to about a 90% disbarred rate. :lol: 

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On 11/30/2020 at 7:30 AM, Venom said:

That would equate to about a 90% disbarred rate. :lol: 

Do you have to make everything you post stupid?

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Do you have to make everything you post stupid?

I don't think it's a choice.

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Disbarred  only if he doesn’t die from Covid

 

Rudy just tested positive.
It’s the only positive thing on his resume  in the past four years

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5 minutes ago, dacapo said:

Disbarred  only if he doesn’t die from Covid

 

Rudy just tested positive.
It’s the only positive thing on his resume  in the past four years

Stay positive Rudy

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16 minutes ago, dacapo said:

Disbarred  only if he doesn’t die from Covid

 

Rudy just tested positive.
It’s the only positive thing on his resume  in the past four years

But wait...Positive is good, right?  We're always told to think positive.  And tRump is positive he won the election.  So, good on ya, Rudy!  

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That's really positive news, I do hope he has been working closely with all of the lawyers bullshitters  claiming election fraud, that might tie things up nicely in time for New Year.

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As much I wish Rudy would stop the bullshit, I can't wish illness on him. I hope he does well and recovers quickly.

- DSK

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3 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

As much I wish Rudy would stop the bullshit, I can't wish illness on him. I hope he does well and recovers quickly.

- DSK

I am finding it increasingly difficult to muster up even the minimum amount of empathy for folks who treat this as anything less than a big fucking deal.

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1 hour ago, frenchie said:

Can't decide where to post this... here will do.

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Where’d that come from frenchie?

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23 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

As much I wish Rudy would stop the bullshit, I can't wish illness on him. I hope he does well and recovers quickly.

- DSK

you are a much better person than I

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1 hour ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

So that’s what was dripping down his face. 
 

It’s almost as if bullshit doesn’t stop a virus. 

What?

That was liquid bullshit seeping out of his skull, not hair dye?

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21 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I am finding it increasingly difficult to muster up even the minimum amount of empathy for folks who treat this as anything less than a big fucking deal.

I can find thoughts and prayers

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25 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

As much I wish Rudy would stop the bullshit, I can't wish illness on him. I hope he dies well

- DSK

FTFY

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6 minutes ago, bridhb said:
30 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

As much I wish Rudy would stop the bullshit, I can't wish illness on him. I hope he does well and recovers quickly.

 

you are a much better person than I

Of course!

Sorry, couldn't resist... actually I am not, but wanted to at least aspire to setting a good example... for a change...

- DSK

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I'm going to get hate for this but  let's consider- Rudy is actively attempting to over turn a valid election. 

 

He's a treasonous fuck head. I hope he dies twice.  

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Disbarred? I thought it was disemboweled.

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13 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Word I hear is he has been admitted to Georgetown.

They have a prison in Georgetown?

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Even if he survives it will be disappointing to not have him on the campaign trail for the next two weeks.  He's been pure gold for the grifting team. 

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“Just to play devil’s advocate, [Biden] would probably say, ‘I haven’t gotten Covid and the president did, and he’s not a big fan of wearing masks’,” pointed out MacCallum, before being interjected by Giuliani.

“And I haven’t either, and I don’t wear masks as much as probably I should … What they claim is science is nonsense,” said Giuliani.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/06/trump-lawyer-rudy-giuliani-masks-coronavirus-fox-news

Now, he's got it?  Good. Fuck him.

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6 minutes ago, benwynn said:

“Just to play devil’s advocate, [Biden] would probably say, ‘I haven’t gotten Covid and the president did, and he’s not a big fan of wearing masks’,” pointed out MacCallum, before being interjected by Giuliani.

“And I haven’t either, and I don’t wear masks as much as probably I should … What they claim is science is nonsense,” said Giuliani.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/06/trump-lawyer-rudy-giuliani-masks-coronavirus-fox-news

Now, he's got it?  Good. Fuck him.

Hopefully the  Biden inauguration finally tips him over the edge......

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If he gets it like I got it he’s going to have a rough time with his age and general state of decrepitude.  I hope he does OK but won’t lose any sleep if he doesn’t.

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Hydroxychloroquine. Lots and lots of hydroxychloroquine. Maybe with a bleach chaser.

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34 minutes ago, roundthebuoys said:

Even if he survives it will be disappointing to not have him on the campaign trail for the next two weeks.  He's been pure gold for the grifting team. 

I think he's been pure gold for SNL 

still, I wouldn't wish anyone dead.

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I have to admit I’m a little surprised he’s been hospitalized.  COVID is said to have originated with bats.  I thought with his shared DNA  it wouldn’t affect him.

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5 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

I have to admit I’m a little surprised he’s been hospitalized.  COVID is said to have originated with bats.  I thought with his shared DNA  it wouldn’t affect him.

He hasn't been hanging upside down enough.

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29 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

Hydroxychloroquine. Lots and lots of hydroxychloroquine. Maybe with a bleach chaser.

Stick a fluorescent tube up his ass and turn it on.

Or break it.

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3 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

He hasn't been hanging upside down enough.

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Word around the campfire is that he may have exposed hundreds of people.  

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4 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Stick a fluorescent tube up his ass and turn it on.

Or break it.

Are you looking for a job in Gitmo? 

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