WetHog 522 #1201 Posted January 17 Just now, Piet56 said: Wash your mouth out bitch..... Oooh, we have a tough guy, or gal. WetHog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 67 #1202 Posted January 17 Just now, WetHog said: Oooh, we have a tough guy, or gal. Yup - tough as a chocolate frog on a gas heater on full flame.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gissie 932 #1203 Posted January 17 3 hours ago, shanghaisailor said: A sport or event without spectators can very rapidly fade into insignificance Except the Cup survived for over a hundred years not giving a fuck about spectators. The recent holders of 'precious' have driven it in this direction and now cry it will stop forever without spectators. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,160 #1204 Posted January 17 The haters back tracking big time! They thought yesterdays should've been called off, now they thought this one should've been let go, now watch them say this next one should be called off because its light and patchy again lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raptorsailor 308 #1205 Posted January 17 Prada with higher VMG but Ineos with better manouvres. They were consistently gaining a dozen metres or so on each tack/gybe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WetHog 522 #1206 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, Piet56 said: Yup - tough as a chocolate frog on a gas heater on full flame.... As tough as a minion me thinks. WetHog 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsn7821 30 #1207 Posted January 17 Where can I read what the penalties are? Do they have to splash down? Circle? At the very end UK had an unforced penalty from going out of bounds at the bottom, curious how that would have played out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 67 #1208 Posted January 17 That's just despicable..... :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enzedel92 106 #1209 Posted January 17 Just now, Raptorsailor said: Prada with higher VMG but Ineos with better manouvres. They were consistently gaining a dozen metres or so on each tack/gybe. Yeah but didn’t InEOS chew Prada’s ass on the last downwind? Started 600 meters behind and cut it down to 100 meterez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 436 #1210 Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: AM only faster on that last leg. LR had better VMG on other legs including downwind. AM ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 108 #1211 Posted January 17 18 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said: I feel the same, not allowing a reach during an AC if there is a shift is just nonsense. So these $ 100 M boats can't sail on the reach ? I believe prior to event they agreed on wind parameters, they can sail fine on a reach, they have all agreed not to do so. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raptorsailor 308 #1212 Posted January 17 Just now, Enzedel92 said: Yeah but didn’t InEOS chew Prada’s ass on the last downwind? Started 600 meters behind and cut it down to 100 meterez pretty much, but Italians fell off the foils... UK didn't. Bruni/Spithill being silly sausages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 612 #1213 Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, Enzedel92 said: Yeah but didn’t InEOS chew Prada’s ass on the last downwind? Started 600 meters behind and cut it down to 100 meterez That's cos they were sailing in to the rightie first. Nothing to do with the boat itself. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enzedel92 106 #1215 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, Forourselves said: The haters back tracking big time! They thought yesterdays should've been called off, now they thought this one should've been let go, now watch them say this next one should be called off because its light and patchy again lol I will go on record. Once the starting gun is fired, you race until you cross the finish line. I don’t give a rats ass about wind or lack thereof or busted ass computer softerware 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WetHog 522 #1216 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, Forourselves said: The haters back tracking big time! They thought yesterdays should've been called off, now they thought this one should've been let go, now watch them say this next one should be called off because its light and patchy again lol Yeah my bad. Sailors like Spithill and Ainsle can’t handle wind shifts in a sailboat race. What was I thinking? I apologize Minion 1. WetHog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 698 #1217 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, mako23 said: AM ?? Oooops! Was watching another replay whilst typing. Du-oh! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 265 #1218 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, Enzedel92 said: Yeah but didn’t InEOS chew Prada’s ass on the last downwind? Started 600 meters behind and cut it down to 100 meterez They had the wind shift earlier hence the extraordinary VMG they showed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
southseasbill 102 #1219 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, Enzedel92 said: Yeah but didn’t InEOS chew Prada’s ass on the last downwind? Started 600 meters behind and cut it down to 100 meterez They were sailing with completely different wind to LR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 67 #1220 Posted January 17 I knew I had seen you somewhere Wethog..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 189 #1221 Posted January 17 In general in every sailing race, the committee and every crew need to know when to stop sailing and stay safe. That's in all the rules. And there are plenty of really bad examples of failing to do so in the history of sailing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 265 #1222 Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, Enzedel92 said: I will go on record. Once the starting gun is fired, you race until you cross the finish line. I don’t give a rats ass about wind or lack thereof or busted ass computer softerware So you haven't liked the last 3 America's Cups? That's sad and must make life pretty miserable for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trt131 182 #1223 Posted January 17 9 minutes ago, jaysper said: Just gone through the Hand book - don't see the words "fair" anywhere .... it is what is is once the gun goes.... I dont know which handbook you are looking at, but certainly World Sailing protocols are to abandon when the race gets unfair. It happens all the time in major events, eg. World Champs, Olympics and other major international events.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 612 #1224 Posted January 17 4 minutes ago, Enzedel92 said: I will go on record. Once the starting gun is fired, you race until you cross the finish line. I don’t give a rats ass about wind or lack thereof or busted ass computer softerware I agree. It's not like the wind gods are specifically favouring one boat over the other. They all just need to drink a hot cup of concrete and harden the fuck up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forourselves 1,160 #1225 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, WetHog said: Yeah my bad. Sailors like Spithill and Ainsle can’t handle wind shifts in a sailboat race. What was I thinking? I apologize Minion 1. WetHog Rules are rules. Shit, we lost the AC because of the rules. You can't have it both ways. You can't say call a race off because I don't like it, but let this one go because i do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 108 #1226 Posted January 17 6 minutes ago, WetHog said: Oooh, we have a tough guy, or gal. WetHog Ex Legionaire, I suspect he is a very tough guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redreuben 64 #1227 Posted January 17 Lol, Handbags V Sandbags. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.......................... 192 #1228 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, Piet56 said: I knew I had seen you somewhere Wethog..... I thought that was Bradley Wiggins ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 612 #1229 Posted January 17 4 minutes ago, trt131 said: I dont know which handbook you are looking at, but certainly World Sailing protocols are to abandon when the race gets unfair. It happens all the time in major events, eg. World Champs, Olympics and other major international events.. Ummm, your quote shows something someone else said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 436 #1230 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, XPRO said: I thought that was Bradley Wiggins ... https://www.amazon.com/How-Make-Enemies-Offend-People/dp/0670087033 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 265 #1231 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, jaysper said: I agree. It's not like the wind gods are specifically favouring one boat over the other. They all just need to drink a hot cup of concrete and harden the fuck up. Shit next you'll be expecting them to be sailing through the spectator fleet! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trt131 182 #1232 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, jaysper said: I will go on record. Once the starting gun is fired, you race until you cross the finish line. I don’t give a rats ass about wind or lack thereof or busted ass computer softerware You may go on record but it wont change anything. The RC did the right thing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,256 #1233 Posted January 17 10 minutes ago, Forourselves said: The haters back tracking big time! They thought yesterdays should've been called off, now they thought this one should've been let go, now watch them say this next one should be called off because its light and patchy again lol NO, both should not have been sailed! The winds yesterday were not there and it was obvious. Today, they know the weather, they know that a front is coming in that will hit during the first race and shift the winds. They are trying to force races into bad conditions and are looking like a joke! Just like in the Xmas cup, they didn't even schedule in the time for a make up day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 436 #1234 Posted January 17 The racing stopped and people started fighting, it’s almost like you need an Antisocial Personality Disorder to thrive in this place. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 67 #1235 Posted January 17 Just now, mako23 said: The racing stopped and people started fighting, it’s almost like you need an Antisocial Personality Disorder to thrive in this place. I understood it was a REQUIREMENT!... racing now due at 30 past the hr 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 436 #1236 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, The_Alchemist said: NO, both should not have been sailed! The winds yesterday were not there and it was obvious. Today, they know the weather, they know that a front is coming in that will hit during the first race and shift the winds. They are trying to force races into bad conditions and are looking like a joke! Just like in the Xmas cup, they didn't even schedule in the time for a make up day. To be fair Alchemist the weather is notorious fickle in Auckland. Can’t be helped Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pusslicker 283 #1237 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, mako23 said: The racing stopped and people started fighting, it’s almost like you need an Antisocial Personality Disorder to thrive in this place. The racing is just a detail of no consequence here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idontwan2know 90 #1238 Posted January 17 I don't have a problem with abandoning the race, it was becoming a farce. I don't have a problem if the teams agreed specifically to certain course orientation standards for racing. Just don't tell me that you abandoned racing today because it was unfair and that yesterday was somehow more fair. Cause that's a load of shit. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 612 #1239 Posted January 17 6 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said: Shit next you'll be expecting them to be sailing through the spectator fleet! Well, they used to didn't they? In fact I remember the 12s using the spectators for cover. Awesome! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 698 #1240 Posted January 17 8 minutes ago, nroose said: In general in every sailing race, the committee and every crew need to know when to stop sailing and stay safe. That's in all the rules. And there are plenty of really bad examples of failing to do so in the history of sailing. Pffft! Everything's getting wrapped in cotton wool. Best fun I ever had was in a Southerly Buster with a skipper who wouldn't say die. I was the bunny that had to change the jib to a handkerchief. Scared, somewhat. Loving it, yes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 265 #1241 Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said: Today, they know the weather, they know that a front is coming in that will hit during the first race and shift the winds. FFS they only mistimed by 10 mins. The Front was forecast to arrive AFTER BOTH races. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 612 #1242 Posted January 17 7 minutes ago, trt131 said: You may go on record but it wont change anything. The RC did the right thing. Eh? I didn't write that. Suddenly everything is attributed to me? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,062 #1243 Posted January 17 What a shamozzle this is. Let's hope we get a normal race for a change in 11 minutes or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 1,927 #1244 Posted January 17 Please don't hound the RC with "stop the steal" or similar nonsense. It was their call. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GSBTom 10 #1245 Posted January 17 No rule in the RRS that says the RC can’t abandon a race mid race. They can even abandon after boats finish (though a rule does cover their requirements on that). That said, the protocol for the series can dictate otherwise, and as such are considered rules (for example, the wind speed limits are rules per the protocol). I haven’t read the protocol, but could be that a skewed race course is auto abandon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 67 #1246 Posted January 17 8 min to pre-start.... fingers crossed... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,062 #1247 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, Varan said: Please don't hound the RC with "stop the steal" or similar nonsense. It was their call. 100% it should of been abandoned..! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,256 #1248 Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, mako23 said: To be fair Alchemist the weather is notorious fickle in Auckland. Can’t be helped yes, but the TV crew even mentioned it in the commentary how the front was predicted to come in and have a wind shift. They could have just postponed the start for about an hour and let the front go through and stabilize. Now they had to abandon the race and wait to move the course. They tried to fit in a race before the front and it all became a waste of time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 189 #1249 Posted January 17 5 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: Pffft! Everything's getting wrapped in cotton wool. Best fun I ever had was in a Southerly Buster with a skipper who wouldn't say die. I was the bunny that had to change the jib to a handkerchief. Scared, somewhat. Loving it, yes. Sure. It's always about judgement. And often the conditions that are most fun are a little dangerous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,062 #1250 Posted January 17 Now been pushed back to 4.35pm 11 minutes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
167149 134 #1251 Posted January 17 5 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: Pffft! Everything's getting wrapped in cotton wool. Best fun I ever had was in a Southerly Buster with a skipper who wouldn't say die. I was the bunny that had to change the jib to a handkerchief. Scared, somewhat. Loving it, yes. good times very early 70's doing just that right on this course in NZ Mullet boats....22' hull, 8' sprit, 22' boom and carrying an imperial ton of ballast 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 67 #1252 Posted January 17 extended again by 5 min.... 14h35 re-start Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rh3000 1,600 #1253 Posted January 17 Just now, The_Alchemist said: yes, but the TV crew even mentioned it in the commentary how the front was predicted to come in and have a wind shift. They could have just postponed the start for about an hour and let the front go through and stabilize. Now they had to abandon the race and wait to move the course. They tried to fit in a race before the front and it all became a waste of time. In hindsight yes, but they don't really have the mandate to contravene start conditions because they *think* it might not last,... and what if they had waited, and it never arrived, then what? Pitchforks at dawn? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 612 #1254 Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, Piet56 said: 8 min to pre-start.... fingers crossed... I have an ugly feeling we might have shot our loads for the day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pusslicker 283 #1255 Posted January 17 What a clusterfuck. There are so few races in this regatta that shit is going to be what predominates. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mako23 436 #1256 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, The_Alchemist said: yes, but the TV crew even mentioned it in the commentary how the front was predicted to come in and have a wind shift. They could have just postponed the start for about an hour and let the front go through and stabilize. Now they had to abandon the race and wait to move the course. They tried to fit in a race before the front and it all became a waste of time. But it was entertaining to watch, and both Teams learnt valuable information. We learnt that Prada is not a slouch in the wind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 698 #1257 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, 167149 said: good times very early 70's doing just that right on this course in NZ Mullet boats....22' hull, 8' sprit, 22' boom and carrying an imperial ton of ballast Sounds like a heap of fun! In the early Sydney 18 footers, you got chucked overboard if the wind dropped a bit! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 67 #1258 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, 167149 said: good times very early 70's doing just that right on this course in NZ Mullet boats....22' hull, 8' sprit, 22' boom and carrying an imperial ton of ballast Hell yes..... those boats were cool..... had the ability to be "man-eaters" but damn they were fun..... remember seeing Roy Dixon driving one of those with 1 of the Knightly brothers on board Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 189 #1259 Posted January 17 Seems like the sailing world has learned many times that there need to be a little extra time, a few extra races, to accommodate the issues that happen due to weather. They should probably have 2 courses ready each day, and a few extra days. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 265 #1260 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, jaysper said: I have an ugly feeling we might have shot our loads for the day. Not surprised you have as you've had your hand on it all day. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,256 #1261 Posted January 17 7 minutes ago, Kate short for Bob said: FFS they only mistimed by 10 mins. The Front was forecast to arrive AFTER BOTH races. 10 minutes? Finishing the first race and then completing the second race would have taken much more than 10 minute. They can recheck the forecast anytime the before they start the race. There is no way they would not had a more accurate forecast and know that it was iffy to get the race in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 67 #1262 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, jaysper said: I have an ugly feeling we might have shot our loads for the day Achmed... the terrifying terrorist.... "Premature Detonation" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,062 #1263 Posted January 17 Waiting to see if it gets pushed out again.? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,062 #1264 Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, pusslicker said: What a clusterfuck. There are so few races in this regatta that shit is going to be what predominates. CLUSTERFUCK IS THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR LOL.....! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 67 #1265 Posted January 17 On the 5 min.... now wind against tide..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 1,927 #1266 Posted January 17 It takes 10 minutes to reset the marks, but 35 more to recalibrate the software the draws the boundary lines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kate short for Bob 265 #1267 Posted January 17 Just now, The_Alchemist said: 10 minutes? Finishing the first race and then completing the second race would have taken much more than 10 minute. They can recheck the forecast anytime the before they start the race. There is no way they would not had a more accurate forecast and know that it was iffy to get the race in. 10 minutes to complete the first. Murray said they hoped to get BOTH races complete before the FORECAST change! Do you live in NZ? Auckland is renowned for 4 seasons in one day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pusslicker 283 #1268 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, terrafirma said: CLUSTERFUCK IS THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR LOL.....! Love these boats, but this venue fucking sucks. The courses fucking suck as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MaxHugen 698 #1269 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, Piet56 said: Achmed... the terrifying terrorist.... "Premature Detonation" What was the last thing that went through your mind? "My arse". "I keeel you!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 612 #1270 Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, Piet56 said: On the 5 min.... now wind against tide..... That will make it "fun" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varan 1,927 #1271 Posted January 17 Just now, Kate short for Bob said: 10 minutes to complete the first. Murray said they hoped to get BOTH races complete before the FORECAST change! Do you live in NZ? Auckland is renowned for 4 seasons in one day. Must be nice. We only have three seasons. Last winter, this winter and next winter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redreuben 64 #1272 Posted January 17 Heeeere we go ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 612 #1273 Posted January 17 Just now, pusslicker said: Love these boats, but this venue fucking sucks. The courses fucking suck as well. Oh FFS! Remember Valencia? Fuck I lost sooooo much sleep for no racing. Get over it, thats sailing. Or you prefer we get a giant fan out so that everyone always gets the same wind? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Alchemist 1,256 #1274 Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, nroose said: Seems like the sailing world has learned many times that there need to be a little extra time, a few extra races, to accommodate the issues that happen due to weather. They should probably have 2 courses ready each day, and a few extra days. Exactly! If the venue is this fickle, they need to have back up. Why have back up courses if you do not have the ability to use them. Yesterday they forced the races on course that was not suitable. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
167149 134 #1275 Posted January 17 6 minutes ago, MaxHugen said: Sounds like a heap of fun! In the early Sydney 18 footers, you got chucked overboard if the wind dropped a bit! heh heh heh..... why ?.... someones gotta gather all that crap in again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tugboat 54 #1276 Posted January 17 Beautiful start by both boats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaysper 612 #1277 Posted January 17 So LR just spat INEOS out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 67 #1278 Posted January 17 Just now, 167149 said: heh heh heh..... why ?.... someones gotta gather all that crap in again Peeling to the Gennaker....... wait.... no... noooooo......(splash) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tugboat 54 #1279 Posted January 17 Match race on! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jean-Baptiste 108 #1280 Posted January 17 I admit no expert in English but everyone talking over each other is nearly impossible for me to understand 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redreuben 64 #1281 Posted January 17 Looks like Luna had a Vmg advantage again 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 67 #1282 Posted January 17 Just now, Jean-Baptiste said: I admit no expert in English but everyone talking over each other is nearly impossible for me to understand You want to see it from our side J.B..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pusslicker 283 #1283 Posted January 17 5 minutes ago, jaysper said: Oh FFS! Remember Valencia? Fuck I lost sooooo much sleep for no racing. Get over it, thats sailing. Or you prefer we get a giant fan out so that everyone always gets the same wind? Valencia had 4 months of racing. This has 3 weeks. The product is a different thing now. It's been packaged for tv and I expect it to work every time if that is what I'm being sold. This current race is nice though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 189 #1284 Posted January 17 LR going down wind with the trav above midline! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 189 #1285 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, Redreuben said: Looks like Luna had a Vmg advantage again Ben just said "killing us aren't they". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 67 #1286 Posted January 17 Telling comment from B.A.... "Those waves are killing us"...... interesting.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
terrafirma 1,062 #1287 Posted January 17 The Italians are smoking..! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rh3000 1,600 #1288 Posted January 17 Weather conditions look like an entirely different day now... Welcome to Auckland's four seasons in one day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redreuben 64 #1289 Posted January 17 Just now, terrafirma said: The Italians are smoking..! In Perth you knew when the Italians were going to tack when the fags went overboard 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redreuben 64 #1290 Posted January 17 Or was that the French ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piet56 67 #1291 Posted January 17 1 minute ago, Redreuben said: In Perth you knew when the Italians were going to tack when the fags went overboard Believe ot was the French.... same thing applied up till the Cat's came in...... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GSBTom 10 #1292 Posted January 17 Big left right there for Ineos... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nroose 189 #1293 Posted January 17 Ineos just made the pass with a righty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
