The Dark Knight 696 #1 Posted December 25, 2020 The big Hobart race for 2020. and the big news...... Alive Yachting Merry Christmas all! Given the disappointing last minute cancellation of the Rolex Sydney Hobart, we are thrilled to announce that after a nail biting few days of waiting for confirmation from Tasmanian Health Department, our Skipper and crew have been deemed to be of low risk, allowing us to be a late entrant into the Launceston to Hobart Yacht Race 2020 instead. A big thankyou to the team at Derwent Sailing Squadron Inc for their assistance in making this possible for us and the Tamar Yacht Club for their wonderful reception upon arrival into Tasmania. https://l2h-dssinc.org.au/event/l2h-2020/ Launceston to Hobart 2020 Currently there are 31 competitors entered. BOAT NAME SAIL NO CREW SKIPPER DESIGN STATE ADVANTEDGE PD147 crewCREW LIST Andrew Jones Josh Jones Max Gluskie Michael Jones Nicholas Smart Ross Edmunds Sam Edmunds Samuel Jones Scott Creedon Shayne Hansen Andrew Jones Inglis 47 TAS ALIVE 52566 crewCREW LIST Adam Marmion Chris Jones David Chapman Duncan Hine Elliott Noye Glenn Myler Lewis Noye Luke Watkins Oliver Burnell Peter Fletcher Phil Armstrong Sam Tiedemann Scott Brain Phillip Turner Reichel/Pugh 66 TAS AS GOOD AS IT GETS 5846 crewCREW LIST Christopher Hadrill David Paine Grant Finlay Ian Marshall Kate Legge Michael Faure Paul Clayton Stuart McGuinness Ian Marshall Beneteau First 40.7 TAS B&G ADVANTAGE 5441 crewCREW LIST Alex Jarvis Cassandra Olive Darryn White Gary Eiszele Jarryd Cohen Jeff Cordell Jim Thorpe Paul Curry Jeff Cordell Mumm 36 TAS BLACK MAGIC 6137 crewCREW LIST Andrew Clark Andrew Clark Cameron Lynch Chris Fidden Christopher Fidden Damien Charlton Duane Pitt Graham Mansfield Guy McDougall Paul Davies Rodney Barnes Scott Steedman Graham Mansfield Ed Dubois Ior 40 TAS DETAIL FIRST M88 crewCREW LIST Brian Corcoran Callum Hollingsworth James Bulter John Ryan Max Cottier Scott Broadby Thomas Males Will Sargent Scott Broadby Farr 1104 TAS DREAM SM8 crewCREW LIST Ben Machin Christian Teutenberg Louise Miles Mark Watson Matthew Arblaster Peter Newman Robert Green Rowan Keast Sam Harrington Scott Blough Tim Fisher Tim Grogan Robert Green Pacific 50 VIC FLYIN' SCUD 5700 crewCREW LIST Adam Goode Brent Dowton Marcus Carter Matt Kardas Natasha Edwards Robert Knoop Stuart Denholm Victoria Logan Adam Goode Lyons 40 TAS FOOTLOOSE 881 crewCREW LIST Andrew Baker David Belbin David Fulton Dustan Belbin Richard White Stewart Geeves Wayne Wagg Stewart Geeves Young 88 TAS GREEN 56 crewCREW LIST Ken Gourlay Piers Findlay Rob Moreton Tristan Gourlay Ken Gourlay Pogo 40 TAS HEAT WAVE 7505 crewCREW LIST Anthony Ozols Chris Bidgood Dan Followes John Wearne Joshua Ey Matthew Keal Niels Veltkamp Stuart Griggs Matthew Keal Mumm 36 TAS HIP-NAUTIC 7811 crewCREW LIST Jean-Pierre Ravanat Richard Boult Jean-Pierre Ravanat Jeanneau Sunfast 3300 TAS HONEY POT 8100 crewCREW LIST Damon Wecker Jodie Sullivan Josh Clark Narissa Mcelwee Nick McElwee Stephen McElwee Uluka Bayne Nick Mcelwee Damon Wecker Hick 35 TAS INVINCIBLE A33 crewCREW LIST Alison Merridew Bryan Walpole Chris Steilberg David Schofield Grace Holligan Jimmy Dodd Olivia Coyne Tim Walpole Bryan Walpole Farr 1104 TAS JAZZ PLAYER SM390 crewCREW LIST Charlotte Armstrong Dylan Reid Finlay Cooper Gavin Dagley Grant Atherton Jai Mckay John Dryden Luka Smillie Michelle Lucas Qamar Schuyler Will Armstrong John Dryden Bakewell-White Z39 TAS KRAKEN 42S D099 crewCREW LIST Amos Wherrett Andrew Sinclair Courtney Howard Dave Macgill Jacob McConaghy Joe Kowaluk Mark Bayles Theo Somssich Ty Dobie Mark Bayles / Andrew Sinclair Cookson 12 TAS ODESSA PD15 crewCREW LIST Anthony Bezemer Douglas Reid Paul Badcock Teresa Badrock Tim Ferguson Paul Badcock Paul Badcock 975 TAS OFF-PISTE 834 crewCREW LIST Ben Thiessen Greg Rowlings James Pirie Jon Tiller Paul Einoder Stuart Addison Toby Travers Paul Einoder Beneteau Oceanis 34 TAS PRIMA DONNA 6868 crewCREW LIST David Calvert David Short Heather McCallum Julian Salter Kirsty Salter Royce Salter Tom Stearnes Royce Salter Hick 35 TAS QUEST 9090 crewCREW LIST Adam Mills Bradley Lynch Jay Nibbs John Grant John Lawrie John Mills Matthew Pearce Nathan Mills Tim Freeman Tom Mullavey Vaughan Lynch Will Thomas Quest Syndicate Nelson Marek 43 TAS RAD 4964 crewCREW LIST Brent McKay Max Mclagan Nelson Brown Oliver Mckay Oscar Wyatt Saul Davidson Thomas Malone Zac Beecroft Brent McKay Radford 35l TAS RUMBEAT SM3598 crewCREW LIST Adam Lincoln Andrew Burnett Andrew Sharman Brendan Quirk Finn Payenberg Jim Ried Justin Barr Tim Jones Justin Barr Farr 1104 TAS SASSY TYC65 crewCREW LIST Ian White Jason Harriss Josh Harriss Lynn Dawson Robert Dawson Tim White Ian White Delphia 37 TAS TALOFA 1988 crewCREW LIST David Leake James Cowmeadow John Brown Michael Burrows Rob Cawthorn Ryan Cawthorn Steve Reid Rob Cawthorn Northshore 38 TAS THE DOG HOUSE R300 crewCREW LIST Ambrose Coad Benjamin Coad Charlie Frankcombe David ONeill Peter Coad Roger Masters Stephan Duggan Steve McConaghy Ambrose Coad Austral 30 TAS TILT 4913 crewCREW LIST Catherine Cretan Daniella Polita Edward Thompson George Cretan Gus Mckay Jack Knight Paul Nanscawen Peter Cretan Richard Van Neutegem Solomon Foster Peter Cretan Marten 49 TAS TWITCH 5885 crewCREW LIST Aaron Mckibben David Rust Grant Skingle Jane McDougall Jim Bedford Ritchie Upton Sandy McManus Will Keyes Will Keyes Eureka 31 TAS ULTIMATE CHALLENGE S82 crewCREW LIST Alex Grant Alice Grubb Claire Fitzgerald Finn Prosser-Wood Grant Cooper Lucy Rees Peter Jenkins Simon Coad Steph Speirs Peter Jenkins Dubois 40 TAS WINDROSE 660 crewCREW LIST Ashok Mani Brett Smith Charles Blundell Geoffrey Gribble Gerry Downton John Claridge Lucas Upton Shannan Hart Ashok Mani S&S 48 TAS WINGS THREE 3938 crewCREW LIST David Haros Derek Inglis Edward Paterson Glen Jeffery Glenn Phillips Matthew Denholm Peter Haros Thomas Windsor Peter Haros Northshore 38 TAS ZEPHYR INSURANCE MA HKG1943 crewCREW LIST Cheryl Sward Craig Squires Diana Reale Ian Johnston Karl Van Drunen Shaun Hancock Tom Hoyle Ian Johnston Farr 41 Mx TAS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
(p)Irate 65 #2 Posted December 25, 2020 Letting Alive enter with some crew that left Sydney, spent a day at sea, then drove from the north of the State to the south to spend quarantine at home for less than a week makes a mockery of the whole isolation regime. Especially when other arriving boats were turned around by police, later amended to having to a port and spend two weeks in quarantine. Good luck to Duncan and the crew on the water though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Livia 682 #3 Posted December 25, 2020 14 hours ago, (p)Irate said: Letting Alive enter with some crew that left Sydney, spent a day at sea, then drove from the north of the State to the south to spend quarantine at home for less than a week makes a mockery of the whole isolation regime. Especially when other arriving boats were turned around by police, later amended to having to a port and spend two weeks in quarantine. Good luck to Duncan and the crew on the water though. That is just bullshit by the decision makers when at the same time it seems a well known boatbuilder from the south doing a delivery south for a family with young kids on board is told to stop at Flinders and then to put back to sea with adverse weather approaching. Well, it will be harder for the Race Committee to bring out more water at Eddystone rather than Mooloolaba. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Livia 682 #4 Posted December 25, 2020 What is funny about the crew lists is that the usual Hobart suspects who are not from Sydney have found a way to get a another ride for the holidays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 696 #5 Posted December 25, 2020 49 minutes ago, Livia said: What is funny about the crew lists is that the usual Hobart suspects who are not from Sydney have found a way to get a another ride for the holidays. Are you talking about Alive or all boats in general? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Livia 682 #6 Posted December 25, 2020 Boats in general. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Couta 476 #7 Posted December 26, 2020 ^^^ Go Fletch! ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 523 #8 Posted December 26, 2020 Ok, who started the argument about ratings: Police and emergency services are on the scene of a sudden death in Wellington Street in Launceston’s CBD @abchobart Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Livia 682 #9 Posted December 27, 2020 Alive in slealth mode, no AIS on , calling Jack Sparrow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mezaire 29 #10 Posted December 27, 2020 Watched the start today, bit rainy but was a nice day on the water. Alive was in another class boat speed wise but will be interesting if she can take the irc overall against a fleet of tassie club racers. Pogo 40's suck for sub 10k windward work. At one stage ( 30min into the race), the 80yo ketch was beating the Pogo!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
(p)Irate 65 #11 Posted December 27, 2020 Loving the blanket coverage by ABC TV News Tasmania. Nothing. Every year after showing S2H updates they show footage of the starts of the races from Melbourne and the L2H. This year fuck all. There is a world outside of Sydney!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Livia 682 #12 Posted December 27, 2020 Must be high tide and board up on the Marten 49 Inside Waterhouse Island! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mezaire 29 #13 Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Livia said: Must be high tide and board up on the Marten 49 Inside Waterhouse Island! High (ish) tide, plenty of depth really!! Been through there with a 5ft draft at low tide no problem Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mezaire 29 #14 Posted December 27, 2020 On the boat on the Tamar, gusting 25k westerly here now so plenty of push coming! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Livia 682 #15 Posted December 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, mezaire said: On the boat on the Tamar, gusting 25k westerly here now so plenty of push coming! I assumed it was a mark of the course as when cruising up that way it was deep enough on the southern side. About another 15 miles ahead will get interesting in the dark if you on the beach Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Livia 682 #16 Posted December 27, 2020 2 hours ago, mezaire said: Watched the start today, bit rainy but was a nice day on the water. Alive was in another class boat speed wise but will be interesting if she can take the irc overall against a fleet of tassie club racers. Pogo 40's suck for sub 10k windward work. At one stage ( 30min into the race), the 80yo ketch was beating the Pogo!! Looking at the tracker, seriously nursing Alive. As soon as it turns the corner, all over. Any little boat needs to finish by dark tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCANAS 523 #17 Posted December 27, 2020 46 minutes ago, (p)Irate said: Loving the blanket coverage by ABC TV News Tasmania. Nothing. Every year after showing S2H updates they show footage of the starts of the races from Melbourne and the L2H. This year fuck all. There is a world outside of Sydney!! As far as ABC goes, the reporters volunteer for SH duty. Likely they were given the option of a holiday instead of covering the other races. Chopper budgets also been slashed over the years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
(p)Irate 65 #18 Posted December 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, Livia said: Looking at the tracker, seriously nursing Alive. As soon as it turns the corner, all over. Any little boat needs to finish by dark tomorrow. The tracker is bullshit. Showing The Dog House (Austral 30) in the lead, well ahead of Alive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Livia 682 #19 Posted December 27, 2020 30s plus at Swan Island and 40 at Eddystone. And now west of North Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bayboy 28 #20 Posted December 27, 2020 Must be a bit lumpy for the fleet at the moment, wont be surprised with more retirements overnight Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
(p)Irate 65 #22 Posted December 27, 2020 This tracker is more than bullshit. 5 mins ago these were the placings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
(p)Irate 65 #23 Posted December 27, 2020 Just now, (p)Irate said: This tracker is more than bullshit. 5 mins ago these were the placings. And just now Alive has taken a huge shortcut overland. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huey 2 602 #24 Posted December 27, 2020 B&G Advantage retired , then Prima Donna. Windy is different on the tracker 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bayboy 28 #25 Posted December 27, 2020 Well just taking foiling to a whole new level going across land, cant see why they are doing the America's cup when we have boats across land... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALL@SEA 259 #26 Posted December 27, 2020 Zepher out with rudder damage:( The old Austral 30 having a good race with the new SF3300 (wish I was out there on Prion!). Both ahead of the (only remaining) Mumm/Farr 36. Green (Pogo) came through the fleet while I was asleep. Good gace between Jazz Player (Z39 as usual sailing really well), and AdvatEdge (Inglis/Barrett 47ish?) - 8' longer, but just out of the shed and probably still coming to grips with her. Alive, gone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mezaire 29 #27 Posted December 27, 2020 I've had zero issues with the tracker. Alive has till about 8pm tonight to break the record. Looking like a light day between Maria and Tasman before a NW kicks in. Might come down to exactly what time the new breeze shows up as there should be enough to get her up there Derwent in good time 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mezaire 29 #28 Posted December 27, 2020 So Alive has 11.5 hours to do 90 miles, avg of about 7.3 knots. Sounds easy for a 66ft yacht but it is the derwent!! Actually hope they don't break it as Fork is a race stalwart and it would be a shame to see a one off competitor break it, even if it is a Tassie yacht Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Weyalan 283 #29 Posted December 27, 2020 B&G apparently lost the whole rig, was towed back into BP after fuel line issues Prima Donna broke mast, but proceeded east and south, rather than trying to motor into big breeze, currently Binalong (I'm guessing to try and secure more fuel), all on board are ok 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mezaire 29 #30 Posted December 27, 2020 51 minutes ago, Weyalan said: B&G apparently lost the whole rig, was towed back into BP after fuel line issues Prima Donna broke mast, but proceeded east and south, rather than trying to motor into big breeze, currently Binalong (I'm guessing to try and secure more fuel), all on board are ok L2H FB page said mast issues for both but Primma Donna motor/sailing to Hobart? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mezaire 29 #31 Posted December 27, 2020 Alive now needing to avg 7.7 knots!! Mercury Passage is rarely a quick place to sail!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Secret Experiment 52 #32 Posted December 28, 2020 15 hours ago, (p)Irate said: Loving the blanket coverage by ABC TV News Tasmania. Nothing. Every year after showing S2H updates they show footage of the starts of the races from Melbourne and the L2H. This year fuck all. There is a world outside of Sydney!! ABC = SBS (Sydney Broadcasting Service). They think Paramatta is regional NSW and Tasmania is where they send foreign correspondents, if they had the funds now for foreign correspondents which they don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPORTSCAR 696 #33 Posted December 28, 2020 15 hours ago, (p)Irate said: Loving the blanket coverage by ABC TV News Tasmania. Nothing. Every year after showing S2H updates they show footage of the starts of the races from Melbourne and the L2H. This year fuck all. There is a world outside of Sydney!! Melb-Devonport start was covered on all TV Channels' news reports here and also scored front page of todays The Australian. It's rare to knock cricket off the front page at this time of the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mezaire 29 #34 Posted December 28, 2020 Just went past B&G, no mast Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Weyalan 283 #35 Posted December 28, 2020 5 hours ago, mezaire said: L2H FB page said mast issues for both but Primma Donna motor/sailing to Hobart? I believe Prima Donna has enough mast left to run a trisail and storm job (I'm guessing the latter off the pole topper), I think they got some more fuel at Binalong and will try limp to Hobart, via Dunalley, I'm guessing. Anyone got any word on what sort of "rudder damage" Jonno suffered? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mezaire 29 #36 Posted December 28, 2020 58 minutes ago, Weyalan said: I believe Prima Donna has enough mast left to run a trisail and storm job (I'm guessing the latter off the pole topper), I think they got some more fuel at Binalong and will try limp to Hobart, via Dunalley, I'm guessing. Anyone got any word on what sort of "rudder damage" Jonno suffered? FB page mentioned a clamp slipping 30mm so allowing water in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bayboy 28 #37 Posted December 28, 2020 I doubt Alive will make it in before the river shuts down, far cry from her last 2 Hobarts where she flew home on the seabreeze Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Weyalan 283 #38 Posted December 28, 2020 46 minutes ago, bayboy said: I doubt Alive will make it in before the river shuts down, far cry from her last 2 Hobarts where she flew home on the seabreeze I can see her now, with naked eye, has rounded Cape Raoul Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALL@SEA 259 #39 Posted December 28, 2020 Alive just finished, what was the time to beat? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bayboy 28 #40 Posted December 28, 2020 She just made it before the shutdown, but others still showing good speed off the east coast but will be a slow going once in the river Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALL@SEA 259 #41 Posted December 28, 2020 I know all about the shutdown. Been on the receiving end more often than not. I just can't recall the record - was it Helsal III, and did Alive set a new one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 696 #42 Posted December 28, 2020 PRIMA DONNA SHOWING OFF THEIR NEW JIB TOP! After a tough night in Banks Strait the crew of Prima Donna have made amazing recovery to jury rig the remains of their mast and continue their journey down the East Coast of Tasmania. Although they have now officially retired, they are still in close contact with the fleet and making great progress back to Hobart, motor/sailing. Definitely showing their seamanship skills! Travel safe! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mezaire 29 #43 Posted December 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, ALL@SEA said: I know all about the shutdown. Been on the receiving end more often than not. I just can't recall the record - was it Helsal III, and did Alive set a new one? Fork had the previous record I think, Alive beat it by about 90min 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bayboy 28 #44 Posted December 28, 2020 Wind has picked up in the river at the moment, also would be great to have around Tassie race over regatta long weekend start on the wed night and be back by sat/ sun and a little bit in it for everyone.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Livia 682 #46 Posted December 29, 2020 Pirate is right, that tracker is crap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Livia 682 #47 Posted December 29, 2020 Love it, 0.5miles to the finish and the speed is down to 3 knots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dark Knight 696 #48 Posted December 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Livia said: Pirate is right, that tracker is crap The YB trackers can be set to transmit your position any where from every second or so to once a day. So if boats have a different transmit frequency, then the race positions will jump around and of course you may get jumps over land. I think that tracker is pretty good and certainly better than the S2H tracker. Crews playing around with the settings or turning them off messes up the data. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Weyalan 283 #49 Posted December 29, 2020 5 hours ago, Livia said: Pirate is right, that tracker is crap You could ask for your money back! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huey 2 602 #50 Posted December 30, 2020 Detail First is provisional winner of Launceston to Hobart Race 30 December 2020 After a tough two days of sailing, the Hobart-based team, Detail First, is the provisional winner of the TasPorts Launceston to Hobart Yacht Race, with an IRC corrected elapsed time of 1 day, 22 hours, 49 minutes and 18 seconds. While Alive, skippered by Duncan Hine and owned by Philip Turner, won line honours and set a new race record, the Notice of Race for the event determines the overall winner as the winner on IRC handicap overall. The result for Detail First skipper Scott Broadby, sailing his Farr 1104, is a testament to the team’s hard work and grit on the race track, and to the race itself, in which boats under 40 feet can take the silverware. “We feel absolutely elated and relieved to be home. It was a hard race, but our tough boat loves the tough conditions. The first night in particular when the gale came through was a challenge and was the first time that I have had two reefs in the main and no other sail up and just hanging on, but then we had some really good kite runs and we were lucky enough to get back before the breeze dropped out which was a big goal of ours,” said Broadby. To add to this success, the Detail First team is also the provisional overall winner on AMS and performance or PHS handicaps, and Division 2 on IRC, AMS and PHS, while Alive has won on ORCi handicap. And not many skippers can win an offshore race without leaving home. “A few years ago, my wife and I sold our house, and while we were waiting to buy another house, we lived on Detail First for a year, and we loved it so much, we decided to buy another boat which we now live on,” said Broadby. Joining skipper Broadby in this year’s success were Will Sargent, Callum Hollingsworth, Thomas Males, James Butler, John Ryan, Max Cottier and Brian Corcoran. “The crew was absolutely brilliant, I can’t speak highly enough of them, some of them felt sick throughout the race but they stepped up and kept doing their thing, including the younger guys onboard,” said Broadby. The Farr 1104 was designed in 1975 as Bruce Farr's first commission for a full IOR race boat. This year’s fleet featured three Farr 1104s including Detail First, Rumbeat (Justin Barr) and Invincible (Bryan Walpole). Heatwave Brierley MC, a Mumm 36 skippered by Matthew Keal, is in second place on PHS overall followed by Hip-Nautic, skippered by Jean-Pierre Ravanat with Richard Boult, who sailed the new Jeanneau Sunfast 330-7811 two-handed in the challenging race. When asked the secret to their success, Broadby reflected upon the race. “In the last few years, we’ve been in some good positions in the race, but have been unlucky and have been ‘glassed out’ on the Derwent [River], so our focus was to really push hard and get back before the breeze dropped out. And part of our strategy this year was to put the spinnaker up at night which we hadn’t done that much before. All in all, we worked very hard and that got us the result we were after,” said Broadby. Final results will be published on Wednesday with presentations to be held at the Derwent Sailing Squadron at 12:30pm on 31 December 2020. Race trackers: http://yb.tl/L2H2020 - Jane Austin. Mysailing. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ALL@SEA 259 #51 Posted December 30, 2020 Well earned "Clean sweep" (Detail First is a cleaning company). They were more than a match for the other 1104s, despite (last time I checked) not having the best sail wardrobe. Good bunch of guys, but that can be said for most of the guys and girls in the race. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TUBBY 304 #52 Posted January 1 On 12/27/2020 at 6:15 PM, mezaire said: Watched the start today, bit rainy but was a nice day on the water. Alive was in another class boat speed wise but will be interesting if she can take the irc overall against a fleet of tassie club racers. Pogo 40's suck for sub 10k windward work. At one stage ( 30min into the race), the 80yo ketch was beating the Pogo!! Be nice she is a 61 year old yawl! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites