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Have you Qlder's all gone secretive on us? No mention on here of the new stealth beng built

 

We have all been told!

 

So whats happening. No new boats out of qld in a while. Is everyone buying Melges and SB3's?

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Have you Qlder's all gone secretive on us? No mention on here of the new stealth beng built

 

We have all been told!

 

So whats happening. No new boats out of qld in a while. Is everyone buying Melges and SB3's?

 

 

 

Pffftttttt!

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Results are up from day 2 of the sportboat saturday series, races 3 and 4! http://results.rqys.com.au/11sportsboatsat/series.htm Race 4 will change as peow was miles ahead again but for some reason there has been a timing glitch! Unless they did miss something! :blink:

 

Constant rain all day, about 15knots of wind and constant rain! Close racing for the selfrighting boats, the gaggle finishing places were allways decided on the last run! Having the finish in about 6 foot of water made it real interesting, with i think everyone smacking the bottom behind the line! 7 boats out there this time.

 

Was a good day, with the rain just making it interesting!

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Overall results are now up from the sportboat saturday series weh had here in brisbane!

 

http://results.rqys.com.au/11sportsboatsat/series.htm

 

Last day light winds and shallow water, boats hitting bottom as crossing finish line made it interesting, and starts, couldnt go too low of the line and risk getting stuck!

 

Race 5 we got stuck on the bottom mark even though we were 8 feet off it (didnt protest :rolleyes: ) and the 30 footer miss judged the clearance top mark and had to reround, thats why results are a little out! Peow without the heavy weights on board still had the pace in the light breeze, but were closer!

 

Race 6, once the boats that took more than 2 boat lengths to drop a kite got off the mud, was light as well, bloody close race between the M24, Shaw, 30 footer and us! Nearly got to the finish before the shaw for a change but the 30 footer decided to get its shit together on the last run and blanket us which put pay to that! Big kite on that thing!

 

The bookies wouldnt accept any money on the final result, what with a M and Shaw there the writing was already on the wall! ;)

 

Well done to the Peow which had different skipper each race i think and the M24 which was 1st and 2nd!

 

Was a good event, bar the shallow bits, and starting the Sportboats last and with a little longer leg than the etchells and skiffs, contenders, hobie's and what ever else was out there worked well, didnt seam to go anywhere near the other fleets even though we all shared the same bottom gate!

 

Looking forward to doing it once a month for the whole next season if it happens!

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It's AT RQYS, never seen it out. OMG what a rough job. There is a hose down the side of the boat and into the end.

 

Good boat wrecked!

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Think of a Pierre-style Sports 8 - that dined out on a big bowl of steroids...

not even close

 

ask yourself ..... what will it it be racing 'in' and against

 

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Obs, it was for sale, sure bet it's been bought

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Man news gets around, it's my new boat.... I bought the boat a couple of months ago. Its taken me 2 months to get her back to Oz. If people are interested Karam Police is for sell and is in Melbourne, would love to have two of these on the harbour.

 

 

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Think of a Pierre-style Sports 8 - that dined out on a big bowl of steroids...

not even close

 

ask yourself ..... what will it it be racing 'in' and against

 

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Obs, it was for sale, sure bet it's been bought

 

OK - well maybe a baby Cookson 50 is a better description. It is a hell of a lot of boat for a 30-odd-footer. What will it race in and against? Good question.

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Have always been a fan of alternate boats, for me its grin factor for bang factor. Orbit has a good equation. Looks like my racing career is going to be chasing 40+ footers in my super 30???, will just have to wait and see.

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Have always been a fan of alternate boats, for me its grin factor for bang factor. Orbit has a good equation. Looks like my racing career is going to be chasing 40+ footers in my super 30???, will just have to wait and see.

 

 

 

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Have always been a fan of alternate boats, for me its grin factor for bang factor. Orbit has a good equation. Looks like my racing career is going to be chasing 40+ footers in my super 30???, will just have to wait and see.

 

 

 

NOICE

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Have always been a fan of alternate boats, for me its grin factor for bang factor. Orbit has a good equation. Looks like my racing career is going to be chasing 40+ footers in my super 30???, will just have to wait and see.

 

 

 

NOICE

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Man news gets around, it's my new boat.... I bought the boat a couple of months ago. Its taken me 2 months to get her back to Oz. If people are interested Karam Police is for sell and is in Melbourne, would love to have two of these on the harbour.

 

Congrats on the buy Matt; you've got yourself quite a weapon there so good luck on the steep bit of the learning curve.

Just a minor correction to your post. Rob Shaw has asked me to see if we can line up an Aus buyer for his sensational 9m "Karma Police" but she is still in Auckland NZ, not here in Melbourne.

Rob and I will both be at Airlie Beach Race Week, he on a Shaw 650, me on a (leadmine) X-35 so interested parties can form an orderly queue at the beer tent, there to commence meaningful negotiations.

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Afternoon storm today, 70+ knots recorded at the coast guard near entrance of the harbour! Of course just as a 50+ wags fleet was comming in harbour! Perfect timing!

 

All crew ok, couple of boats with minor damage, glad we were just 50m from jetty when it started to hit, got real wet, and lost a nearly full can of Rum! <_<

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Daylight. it went a long way from where it was parked!! I think barman took this photo!

 

 

Daylight. it went a long way from where it was parked!! I think barman took this photo!

 

 

Shit! V.sorry to see that. How's the boat?

 

 

Should be good to go for this weekends sports boat saturday

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Daylight. it went a long way from where it was parked!! I think barman took this photo!

 

 

Daylight. it went a long way from where it was parked!! I think barman took this photo!

 

 

Shit! V.sorry to see that. How's the boat?

 

 

Should be good to go for this weekends sports boat saturday

 

Good to hear! :)

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Afternoon storm today, 70+ knots recorded at the coast guard near entrance of the harbour! Of course just as a 50+ wags fleet was comming in harbour! Perfect timing!

 

All crew ok, couple of boats with minor damage, glad we were just 50m from jetty when it started to hit, got real wet, and lost a nearly full can of Rum! <_<

 

No suit on Goggles....fail!

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Bloody hell Goggs are you guys alright, a full can of rum you say

 

 

Fuck hope it wasnt Bundy

 

 

Yep 3/4 can of Bundy!

 

Terrible moment!

 

Hey 83TER, did the boat land on a Chicken? Saw a lot of feathers under the gunwale!

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Wynnum Manly Yacht Club starts its 2up Series this Sunday, come on down, good weather forecast, it's great to beat up on the lead bellies in these races, last time we lead the local Farr 36 for half the course.

 

Cheers Barman!

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Wynnum Manly Yacht Club starts its 2up Series this Sunday, come on down, good weather forecast, it's great to beat up on the lead bellies in these races, last time we lead the local Farr 36 for half the course.

 

Cheers Barman!

Great day out there today, two E7's and Thirsty Camel on his T650.

 

It was great weather and also great to beat the T around the track! Just! ;-)

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Afternoon storm today, 70+ knots recorded at the coast guard near entrance of the harbour! Of course just as a 50+ wags fleet was comming in harbour! Perfect timing!

 

All crew ok, couple of boats with minor damage, glad we were just 50m from jetty when it started to hit, got real wet, and lost a nearly full can of Rum! <_<

was that BlackJack on the rocks?

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Afternoon storm today, 70+ knots recorded at the coast guard near entrance of the harbour! Of course just as a 50+ wags fleet was comming in harbour! Perfect timing!

 

All crew ok, couple of boats with minor damage, glad we were just 50m from jetty when it started to hit, got real wet, and lost a nearly full can of Rum! <_<

was that BlackJack on the rocks?

 

 

The little one, RP 42, Blackjack 2

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Well, the time has arrived! The Barney Army clan are off on a big lap of this great country of ours! 126 days on the road, life is short and we have no time to loose! Looking forward to seeing the west coast and the kimberlies. Yeah I know it's not sailing oriented and I don't own a sporty anymore but I don't give a shit!

 

Anyone in Perth or Darwin want to take me for a sail?

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Well, the time has arrived! The Barney Army clan are off on a big lap of this great country of ours! 126 days on the road, life is short and we have no time to loose! Looking forward to seeing the west coast and the kimberlies. Yeah I know it's not sailing oriented and I don't own a sporty anymore but I don't give a shit!

 

Anyone in Perth or Darwin want to take me for a sail?

When are you in Perth?

Im sure we could organise something

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Well, the time has arrived! The Barney Army clan are off on a big lap of this great country of ours! 126 days on the road, life is short and we have no time to loose! Looking forward to seeing the west coast and the kimberlies. Yeah I know it's not sailing oriented and I don't own a sporty anymore but I don't give a shit!

 

Anyone in Perth or Darwin want to take me for a sail?

 

Drive carefully Barman. Don't call room on any road trains.

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SMS is big in W.A. barney, club every week

 

there are some Redwitches around tho

Im sure we can arrange a sail on a redwitch or 40.

Hell you can probably take one home with you and no one would notice it missing.

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Well, the time has arrived! The Barney Army clan are off on a big lap of this great country of ours! 126 days on the road, life is short and we have no time to loose! Looking forward to seeing the west coast and the kimberlies. Yeah I know it's not sailing oriented and I don't own a sporty anymore but I don't give a shit!

 

Anyone in Perth or Darwin want to take me for a sail?

 

Drive carefully Barman. Don't call room on any road trains.

 

 

Remember, they are taking the land rover, they wont be passing anyone! :lol:

 

Watch this space while Barman is gone, the Barney Army might do some regattas still! ;)

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Will be in Perth about early August

There are 2 sports boat races at SoPYC during August.

The first is on Sunday the 5th, the second on Sunday the 18th.

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over the line - first day

 

Sports Monohull - 127 Attitude Ultimate 30 back after 3 years absence. Winner in 30th Bay to Bay close behind and still in line for a SMS corrected time win.

 

Standard Monohull - 201 Bakers Dough first over the line closely followed by 223 Endangered Species Barry Colson Barry Colson from Bribie Island 208 Local Hervey Bay sailor Jim Harris in Alkira owner designed Harris 6.8 and 237 70 N Sexy Gunter Huechmer from Ballina NSW are in a 4 way intense battle for fastest timeall with a chance to win the Bay to Bay CBH corrected time Bay to Bay trophy.

 

Multihulls - 511 Mad Max George Owen 1st over line light winds and shortened courses will mean no race record but still looking good to win the 32nd Bay to Bay.

 

Standard Multihull - 539 John Loury Tatoo an Oatac Tramp first with Turning Point John Dowling leading Seawind 24

 

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Standard Multihull - 539 John Loury Tatoo an Oatac Tramp first

 

incorrect GS Chris Chapman ostac tramp 3rd across line against all other multis on saturday, it was alottery and he got the winning ticket.

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thats great for a 19 1/2 footer huh

when are you getting one :)

 

 

thats just from the sailing clubs website Std Multi doesn't include the sports multis ie div 4 & 5 i think

 

be good when the results are posted !

 

what happened Sunday ?

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sunday a repeat of last year SSW 10knts spinnaker start for all divs. very square after Ungowa with varying angles and strength and then tight to the top of Woody with som extra pressure. boats got caught with the sweeping tide across the sandbar at the turning mark and were carried into shallow water Attitude was stuck for a while lucky the lads had there crane last year No Limits were stuck for a long time it help me when Nervous got carried in too

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http://www.herveybay...nal-results.pdf

 

Elap Crcted PBH Div Class No 1st Name Surname Boat Name Class Club Region SMS PBH ELAPs SMStime PBHtime 

3 1 5 Type 2 Div1 OAK 112 GRAHAM SHERRING STAY TUNED LEECH 650 SYC GC 0.818 0.823 7:37:52 6:14:32 6:16:49
2 2 2 Type 2 Div1 OAK 118 ANDREW WICKLUND AS-IF OAK 7.3m SPORTSBOAT RQYS BRIS 0.837 0.832 7:29:11 6:15:58 6:13:43
8 3 3 Type 2 Div1 OAK 107 ROD DALEY SLIPPERY DECK ELLIOTT 6.5 OAK BSC BUN 0.796 0.789 7:54:21 6:17:35 6:14:16
7 4 6 Type 2 Div1 OAK 117 DAVID HEWITT WHA-KA SHAW 650 NYRC SC 0.818 0.823 7:49:13 6:23:49 6:26:10
1 5 7 Type 2 Div1 OAK 133 BRUCE TARDREW NO LIMITS STEALTH 8 RQYS BRIS 0.907 0.897 7:11:02 6:30:57 6:26:38
10 6 9 Type 2 Div1 OAK 122 JAMIE BERNT RIP IT UP KNUCKLES 6M HBBC MB 0.815 0.810 8:02:37 6:33:20 6:30:55
5 7 8 Type 2 Div1 OAK 119 JOHN SHERIFF TRANSIT LOUNGE STEALTH 7 C SC 0.859 0.837 7:42:51 6:37:35 6:27:24
4 8 11 Type 2 Div1 OAK 127 BEN DAVIS ATTITUDE ULTIMATE 30 RQYS BRIS 1.009 1.027 7:39:45 7:43:53 7:52:10
11 NO SMS 1 Type 2 Div1 OAK 113 DENIS WARD TWISTER ELLIOTT 7 MBYC BRIS NO SMS 0.715 8:08:00 NO SMS 5:48:55
9 NO SMS 4 Type 2 Div1 OAK 115 MATT BONZER NERVOUS ELLIOTT 7 TBA NSW NO SMS 0.790 7:54:52 NO SMS 6:15:09
6 NO SMS 10 Type 2 Div1 OAK 125 SIMON PATTERSON CHARLIE BOATSPEED 23 MK2

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Saturday was a lottery and rarely gusted above 2kts, nearly everyone had a turn at the front. Eventualy it was Attitude, As-If, Stay Tuned, Charlie, No Limits, Nervous, Wha-Ka, Twister, Transit Lounge, Rip it Up. On SMS it was Slippery Deck, Stay Tuned, As-If

 

Sunday was better, only 5kts to 8kts SW but at least it was constant. No limits broke away and won easily, Attiude ran aground before the finish so As-If was second followed by Transit Lounge, Stay Tuned, Attitude, Wha-Ka, Charlie, Slippery Deck, Nervous, Rip it Up and Twister. On SMS it was No Limits, As-If and Stay Tuned.

 

Overall SMS went to Stay Tuned from As-If and Slippery Deck.

 

The Leech 650 looked fast but just didn't get enough breeze.

 

Interestingly, if Nervous had a typical Elliot 7 SMS of under 0.780 they would have cleaned up. Oops - theyure're not a sportsboat anymore! :D

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Saturday was a lottery and rarely gusted above 2kts, nearly everyone had a turn at the front. Eventualy it was Attitude, As-If, Stay Tuned, Charlie, No Limits, Nervous, Wha-Ka, Twister, Transit Lounge, Rip it Up. On SMS it was Slippery Deck, Stay Tuned, As-If

 

Sunday was better, only 5kts to 8kts SW but at least it was constant. No limits broke away and won easily, Attiude ran aground before the finish so As-If was second followed by Transit Lounge, Stay Tuned, Attitude, Wha-Ka, Charlie, Slippery Deck, Nervous, Rip it Up and Twister. On SMS it was No Limits, As-If and Stay Tuned.

 

Overall SMS went to Stay Tuned from As-If and Slippery Deck.

 

The Leech 650 looked fast but just didn't get enough breeze.

 

Interestingly, if Nervous had a typical Elliot 7 SMS of under 0.780 they would have cleaned up. Oops - theyure're not a sportsboat anymore! :D

 

 

 

So when's the new boat coming Wiko

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Saturday was a lottery and rarely gusted above 2kts, nearly everyone had a turn at the front. Eventualy it was Attitude, As-If, Stay Tuned, Charlie, No Limits, Nervous, Wha-Ka, Twister, Transit Lounge, Rip it Up. On SMS it was Slippery Deck, Stay Tuned, As-If

 

Sunday was better, only 5kts to 8kts SW but at least it was constant. No limits broke away and won easily, Attiude ran aground before the finish so As-If was second followed by Transit Lounge, Stay Tuned, Attitude, Wha-Ka, Charlie, Slippery Deck, Nervous, Rip it Up and Twister. On SMS it was No Limits, As-If and Stay Tuned.

 

Overall SMS went to Stay Tuned from As-If and Slippery Deck.

 

The Leech 650 looked fast but just didn't get enough breeze.

 

Interestingly, if Nervous had a typical Elliot 7 SMS of under 0.780 they would have cleaned up. Oops - theyure're not a sportsboat anymore! :D

 

 

 

So when's the new boat coming Wiko

 

 

Made the fists steps this week - put As-If into an industrial shed ready for tidy-up and have cancelled the hardstand at RQ. Currently building a steel frame so we can lift it off the trailer and keel and wheel it around.

Have listed it on Boatpoint yesterday - so will see what interest we get.

 

When are you getting back into Sportsboats?

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Saturday was a lottery and rarely gusted above 2kts, nearly everyone had a turn at the front. Eventualy it was Attitude, As-If, Stay Tuned, Charlie, No Limits, Nervous, Wha-Ka, Twister, Transit Lounge, Rip it Up. On SMS it was Slippery Deck, Stay Tuned, As-If

 

Sunday was better, only 5kts to 8kts SW but at least it was constant. No limits broke away and won easily, Attiude ran aground before the finish so As-If was second followed by Transit Lounge, Stay Tuned, Attitude, Wha-Ka, Charlie, Slippery Deck, Nervous, Rip it Up and Twister. On SMS it was No Limits, As-If and Stay Tuned.

 

Overall SMS went to Stay Tuned from As-If and Slippery Deck.

 

The Leech 650 looked fast but just didn't get enough breeze.

 

Interestingly, if Nervous had a typical Elliot 7 SMS of under 0.780 they would have cleaned up. Oops - theyure're not a sportsboat anymore! :D

 

 

 

So when's the new boat coming Wiko

 

 

Made the fists steps this week - put As-If into an industrial shed ready for tidy-up and have cancelled the hardstand at RQ. Currently building a steel frame so we can lift it off the trailer and keel and wheel it around.

Have listed it on Boatpoint yesterday - so will see what interest we get.

 

When are you getting back into Sportsboats?

 

When you need someone to make up the numbers. :);):lol:

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Well a beautiful day out on the bay today, with a potential buyer for a T7, now that his boat has been banned for eternity from sportboat races, but he wasnt prepared for the blinding speed of an old school, overweight non SMS rater under full flight in a non spinnaker race!

 

Well he is tucked into bed at the Manly hotel, safe from the prowling cougar bro's and wynnum chicks below in the beer garden!

 

He has had a double dose of Queensland cordial, fresh from the aged square bottle!

 

Have a good rest, and hope the heart rate is down to a normal level in the morning petal!

 

Night night Billy Goat!

 

Mwah ha ha ha ha ha

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Not your T7 Turks?

 

 

Dont know yet!

 

Like most heavy boat owners, how long can one throw money at a boat within a system just to make the numbers up!

 

 

So Bill E, calmed down from sportboat excitement yet! The leap from sym boats to real sportboats is so huge, you can see why the E's were banned now hey! :rolleyes:

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the Es weren't banned

 

 

 

Correct!

 

The poles they hang there shutes off were cause of scare tactics!

 

 

 

Oooooooooo scary!

no they can sail

 

what are scare tactics and how can they get u banned

 

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the Es weren't banned

 

 

 

Correct!

 

The poles they hang there shutes off were cause of scare tactics!

 

 

 

Oooooooooo scary!

no they can sail

 

what are scare tactics and how can they get u banned

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the Es weren't banned

 

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hey goggs why don't you get an E7 ? ? ?

 

Boats that don't carry an Assymetric kite are banned. - That means E7's are banned.

 

However they have kindly said we can apply for an exemption to have the honour of racing with them for two years, we are still banned but allowed to play. I don't think a magic 25 with a symmetrical was granted the same don't know why.

 

I have to thanks Slapper for stopping me from considering a sportsboat in the future as they are really fast and scary to sail, As you can see I was TERRIFIED. I am now happy that the E7 better suits me as it is so slow and boring and more to what I am used to.

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I don't think a magic 25 with a symmetrical was granted the same don't know why.

 

 

or a Runnals 8 with a symmetrical

or the S.A. Rockets with a symmetrical

 

appears to be No conspiracy at all.

 

now the Exemptions, consistency there too

 

Magic 25 has its OD design trapezes ..Exempted although disallowed in the regular asba fleet

Melges24 has its OD design hiking lines Exempted " " " " " " " " " " " " "

Elliott 7 has its OD design equipment.. Exempted " " " " " " " " " " " " "

 

does anyone know why goggles won't swap his t boat for an E ? the CBH of .835 he'd be able to sail up to that ?

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I don't think a magic 25 with a symmetrical was granted the same don't know why.

 

 

or a Runnals 8 with a symmetrical

or the S.A. Rockets with a symmetrical

 

appears to be No conspiracy at all.

 

now the Exemptions, consistency there too

 

Magic 25 has its OD design trapezes ..Exempted although disallowed in the regular asba fleet

Melges24 has its OD design hiking lines Exempted " " " " " " " " " " " " "

Elliott 7 has its OD design equipment.. Exempted " " " " " " " " " " " " "

 

does anyone know why goggles won't swap his t boat for an E ? the CBH of .835 he'd be able to sail up to that ?

 

Now why would i want an E7? If only exempted for as some say, for only 2 years? And as far as im aware, havnt been granted it yet! The T7's and rest of the heavy boats will be banned next!

 

Melges exemption hit is obviously too low as they win! Is it fair a boat with exemptions can beat boats that fit the rules fairly?

 

Magic not allowed to race in either form! Once again as far as i know they havnt been granted the exemption yet either!

 

Mabe GS you should get a new informer, or a boat that races in this fleet and with current trends all market values for boats not on the chosen ones list will be worthless real soon! Now that dosnt seam good for the fleets!

 

Exemption is good how? Well of course if you have the only chosen design with exemption that hasnt been hit hard!

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If only you knew!

 

 

And i have a vested interest remember!

 

And the difference here is as you mentioned, i race all of them, on them and against them!

 

You, just here!

 

Mmmmmm

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Gob Shit - you must understand that getting a SMS rating doesn't get you into the exclusive ASBA club, unless they invite you and you aren't a threat.

 

The E7 has no problems getting an SMS rating, it is however not eligible to race in regatta's where the class is required to comply to the ASBA definitions.

 

If something is not banned why does it need an exemption

 

And WTF is this shit

 

Elliott 7 has its OD design equipment.. Exempted

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and why wouldn't i understand that you potty mouthed cunt

 

and WTF is this shit "If something is not banned why does it need an exemption"

of course the symmetric is banned, thats the topic, concentrate Bill E

now

- you can race OD,

- you can race TYa,

- and if you want you can race Sportsboat assoc.

- that's three (3) times the events of most other trailables

Haven't you got something more important to whinge & fuck on about than being eligible to race wherever - whenever you want

and .. you know damn well that the 'vote'* was not aimed at E7s

*tell us about your vote Bill E, the proxy of yours whilst not being in the association and eligible to vote

.... We had a fantastic regatta, with close racing by a great group of people that are all keen to help each other out.

We don't give a fuck about the increasingly irrevalent ASBA

take your bat & ball mate, hasta la vista

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asba has given me an exemption, i didn't say anything about 2 years. but i am slow so they have no worries about me winning

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you want to resort to namecalling & personal you whining dumb fuck?

 

how on earth your better half put up with ur snivelling & moaning for so long is anyones guess hey

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NOT that this affects your Sym. T7 in any way whatsoever ... ( yes just one more opportunity. for you to moan & shitstir on the forums)

 

your post in question was so full of erroneous '?facts?" it wasn't worth the reply which was just mud wrestling with a pig basically

 

You questioned my 'informer or information YET you haven't even read, or are vaguely familiar with the eligibilty/ exemption clauses,

you said that the OD magic is ineligible but is has been for years, there is one on the SMS listing

 

of course 'being aware' would not be in your interests, that being moaning like a fuck about all & sundry that does NOT affect your program

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