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Ziggy Stardust and I have had some brief discussions about organising an Aussie FT10 Association.

 

As a first step, if you are an Australian who has a deposit on an FT-10 or if you are a serious potential buyer in Australia would you please contact me. Let me know if you are a depositor or an interested party (or something else, god forbid). I guess for the moment I'd be happy to add any NZ people to our list as well, until someone in the land of the long white cloud asks to take over their own association (or until we decide that a combined AUS/NZ association is a good thing).

 

I think there are some very good things we can start to do - many of which have already been mentioned in the main owners association topic - for example, we can contact Tohatsu and discuss an association price for motors, we can make sure that Aussie / NZ sailmakers know we're here, we can get some competitive activity going re: Trailers, we can begin to socialise the existance of the FT10 to some of the state associations and major regattas and we can contact AYF and begin to get the ball rolling with them if necessary. Some of us may wish to work with AYF/RORC toward an early IRC rating (and some of us may think thats a bad thing).

 

Anyway, communicating and sharing info will be a good thing. I believe that there are something like 10 or 12 FT-10's already on deposit for Australia/New Zealand at this time. 5 of them are in one city in Oz so we may have a viable early one design fleet up and running this year.

 

Once we get a bit more organised we'll schedule some online meetings so we can discuss our ideas and let the global owners association know our thoughts and any regional issues that we wish to pursue.

 

Send me a PM via SA with your name, email address, hull number if you wish to disclose it and any other info or ideas that you think will be helpful.

 

I'll be happy to do early organisation until we formally get together and consider who can and should do what.

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I forgot to mention one other thing we can do together that may pay major dividends - that is to negotiate with freight companies for an association rate on containers from China to OZ/NZ. We ought to be able to save some major $$$ doing that.

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SPARKY:

 

LAURA WILL SEND YOUR E-MAIL TO ALL IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS JUST IN CASE ONE OF THEM MISSES THIS THREAD.

 

GOOD LUCK

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So how much for one of these landed in OZ then?

and what's the local freight?

Looks like 60 grand AUD FOB.

So maybe another five freight, plus insurance, plus and customs, plus costs of putting it together with an outboard? Looks like not much change from 75. How am I doing?

What is the deal with a new boat in kit form?

And. Where are they landing, looks like the outposts so far only. WA and Tas?

Like the idea and look of teh project. Just tyre kicking here really.

 

I'm waiting for the list from DA-MAN's office but there are a number of boats going to WA, 1 so far in Tasmania and I believe at least 1 in Sydney.

 

If there are a total of 8 deposits in Australia (a guess at this point) then we have more coming here per capita than are going to the U.S. :-)

 

I have a spread sheet of approximate costs in AU$ and I'll post the pertinent cost estimates here in a little while - they are just my estimates and guesses, not based on any info from the company.

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Cost estimates:

 

FT-10 $A 60,000

Freight (TAS) $A 6,000

Outboard $A 2,700

unpack and rig $A 2,000

Misc fitout $A 2,500

 

#3 jib for Tassie winds $A 2,200

Chicken chute $A 3,000

 

Total $A 78,400

 

(about $US 57,200)

 

THESE ARE JUST MY BEST GUESSES MADE ON THE BASIS OF SOME VERBAL QUOTES AND SOME SPECULATION.

 

As we get closer to delivery we'll be contacting the outboard manufacturer and freight companies to try to organise group buys - hopefully with the support of HipTrader.

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$60AUD = $44USD

 

does this mean that the "post first-fifty" price IS known ??

 

any other plus-fifty's can support this ?

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$60AUD = $44USD

 

does this mean that the "post first-fifty" price IS known ??

 

any other plus-fifty's can support this ?

 

No mate, it's just my best guess as to what I guess it will cost for my boat (#53).

 

Like I said above...

 

"THESE ARE JUST MY BEST GUESSES MADE ON THE BASIS OF SOME VERBAL QUOTES AND SOME SPECULATION."

 

I'm also hoping that the $44K US pricing will be effective for the first 50 boats delivered, as a few more will drop out along the way and I think I'll wind up getting a 'first 50' boat, even if I just missed being a first-fifty depositor.

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Cost estimates:

 

FT-10 $A 60,000

Freight (TAS) $A 6,000

Outboard $A 2,700

unpack and rig $A 2,000

Misc fitout $A 2,500

 

#3 jib for Tassie winds $A 2,200

Chicken chute $A 3,000

 

Total $A 78,400

 

(about $US 57,200)

 

THESE ARE JUST MY BEST GUESSES MADE ON THE BASIS OF SOME VERBAL QUOTES AND SOME SPECULATION.

 

As we get closer to delivery we'll be contacting the outboard manufacturer and freight companies to try to organise group buys - hopefully with the support of HipTrader.

 

You might also need to add:

 

Trailer

full set of racing sails - the sails coming with teh boat are dacron (at least that was the case last week - could have changed this week)

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You're right Christian - might need to add. Until here is some official word about sails I'll not speculate and certainly not everyone will want or need a trailer.

 

I did get a verbal quote from Kings Trailers in Hobart of about $A 5K for a trailer. Sounded a bit high to me and I hope we can do better if we organise a group buy.

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I believe you will also have to add duty (10% if FTA isn't finalised by shipment) and then add up all the costs (purchase price, shipping, duty, clearance...) and add 10% GST.

 

Can others confirm this?

 

Still a great buy but.

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I believe you will also have to add duty (10% if FTA isn't finalised by shipment) and then add up all the costs (purchase price, shipping, duty, clearance...) and add 10% GST.

 

Can others confirm this?

 

Still a great buy but.

 

 

Yep the government will want its cut. The crazy thing is you will pay GST on the total price including the import duty!!!! A TAX on a TAX !!!

 

So the $75k figure is going to be about $90K.... :o

 

Still better value than most local boats.

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That really sucks tax ing the tax.

estimate for Brisvegas with second hand o/b to start and cutting freight to say, 4,500, I was going to say about 73,000; but the tax thing blows it off my potential budget.

Any ways around? Like having it delivered elsewhere to a company, from whom you buy and bring/sail it in a year later?

Yowie

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That really sucks tax ing the tax.

estimate for Brisvegas with second hand o/b to start and cutting freight to say, 4,500, I was going to say about 73,000; but the tax thing blows it off my potential budget.

Any ways around? Like having it delivered elsewhere to a company, from whom you buy and bring/sail it in a year later?

Yowie

 

 

Nope they will value it when you import it and you pay tax on that amount. By brining it in a year later you only save the depreciation that happens in the first year but open yourself up to the valuation process that customs uses. They may value your boat for more than you paid for it!!!

 

Only options I know of are to buy it through a company and then claim the gst bit back as an input tax credit. You would have to show that operating the boat was the central thing the company did. The tax office has clamped down on this sort of thing I think.

 

Another option is get it delivered to somewhere else and never really import it into Australia. It can come in temporarily but then has to be re-exported.

 

I am not an expert in this so there may be other options but rest assured that the government wants you to pay for enjoying yourself.

 

there is more info at: http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=4365

 

nobody

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Thanks mate.

shall have a look.

Y.

 

Nope they will value it when you import it and you pay tax on that amount. By brining it in a year later you only save the depreciation that happens in the first year but open yourself up to the valuation process that customs uses. They may value your boat for more than you paid for it!!!

 

Only options I know of are to buy it through a company and then claim the gst bit back as an input tax credit. You would have to show that operating the boat was the central thing the company did. The tax office has clamped down on this sort of thing I think.

 

Another option is get it delivered to somewhere else and never really import it into Australia. It can come in temporarily but then has to be re-exported.

 

I am not an expert in this so there may be other options but rest assured that the government wants you to pay for enjoying yourself.

 

there is more info at: http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=4365

 

nobody

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Just checked the progress of the FTA and it is still in the preliminary stages. Round 4 of negotiations starts about now in Canberra. If you have secured a FT10 with a number around 70, You might just be lucky (say two years out) and save the duty.... assuming boats are included. But you will still have to pay the GST.

 

Fingers crossed...

 

Australia-China-FTA-logo.jpg

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So the price of a FT10 makes an Adams10 new at $90k ,around the same.

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Just checked the progress of the FTA and it is still in the preliminary stages. Round 4 of negotiations starts about now in Canberra. If you have secured a FT10 with a number around 70, You might just be lucky (say two years out) and save the duty.... assuming boats are included. But you will still have to pay the GST.

 

Fingers crossed...

 

Australia-China-FTA-logo.jpg

 

BUT you are not trading with China,

 

Hiptrader is USA !

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So the price of a FT10 makes an Adams10 new at $90k ,around the same.

 

Interesting comparison. I'd hope that the FT-10 will be somewhat faster downhill in moderate to heavy air. I'd guess that light air performance might be similar. Adams 10's are quick boats when well sailed and good fleets exist in some areas. It's interesting that there are no Adams 10's in Hobart now - I understand that there used to be a decent fleet some years ago. There is one in Kettering hat competes in Sailing South each year. It's helmed by a fellow who is so experienced and level headed that you might consider doing a Syd-Hobart with him if he said it was ok in his boat :-)

 

Does the $90K Adams 10 price include equivalent equipment (like sails and the outboard), GST and delivery to wherever?

 

If sails, motor and GST are not included then the Adams price might well be around $112k instead of 90.

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Just checked the progress of the FTA and it is still in the preliminary stages. Round 4 of negotiations starts about now in Canberra. If you have secured a FT10 with a number around 70, You might just be lucky (say two years out) and save the duty.... assuming boats are included. But you will still have to pay the GST.

 

Fingers crossed...

 

Australia-China-FTA-logo.jpg

 

 

I don't know if the FTA will cover boats. The website I posted earlier (http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=4365) dosent distinguish between countries. I could be wrong.....

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re duties, taxes

 

anyone looked into taxes/gst's re unassembled, or CKD as they used to call it with cars that required assembly in OZ, remember no motor too

 

mebbe an angle ?

 

I'm thinking you could argue that without a motor and a 'completed rig' you could argue it's not a completed yacht, but the container is a box of parts?

 

remember the mast requires assembly (is in 3 pieces ) then rigging attached.

 

the FTA (with US) angle must be investigated!

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Just checked the progress of the FTA and it is still in the preliminary stages. Round 4 of negotiations starts about now in Canberra. If you have secured a FT10 with a number around 70, You might just be lucky (say two years out) and save the duty.... assuming boats are included. But you will still have to pay the GST.

 

Fingers crossed...

 

Australia-China-FTA-logo.jpg

 

BUT you are not trading with China,

 

Hiptrader is USA !

 

Unfortunately they have thought if that one. It appears Duty is applied based on the 'Country of Origin' of the goods not where they are purchased.

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Bryce , you got a Govt. URL for that ?

 

(Updated) Bryce I think I found it, FT10 would NOT be considered "US originating goods" , that sucks US originating goods document -customs

 

however it maybe that a percentage may apply to non-China components , but you know tax beauracracy would it be worth it ? (technically Ozzie CST mast and US Harken fitting are exempt duty, don't know about glass,resin)

 

oh well ROLL ON THE AUS-CHINA FTA ! tho that may crush ALL other industries in Australia. weigh it up

 

other misc shyte

 

AUSFTA 'Orgin' techno-babble

some AUSFTA Chapter 89 'ships'boats, floating vessels'

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technically Ozzie CST mast and US Harken fitting are exempt duty, don't know about glass,resin)

 

 

You might be better off getting the mast from CST direct....

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being Sydney i certainly would want to pick it up in 'ONE' piece, and 5% duty(+GST) saving , not much $200?

TAS, W.A. where the ordered FT's are going logistics are different

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A10s around the $90 sailing,depends on what you want to add,same as any boat.

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Australian Customs INFO extract, thanks Nobody for that reference:

This is what happens if you bring a new yacht in:

 

Yachts are subject to a general rate of duty of 5% based on the customs value (basically the price paid) and 10% GST calculated on the customs value plus international transport and insurance plus the duty.

 

Privately imported yachts are generally valued using the transaction method of valuation when purchased overseas new or second-hand for export to Australia. Circumstances where Customs may use an alternative method of valuation include such situations as where:

 

* the yacht was constructed by owner/labour;

* the yacht has been extensively modified since purchase;

* the purchaser and vendor are related parties and that relationship has influenced the purchase price; or

* the original purchase price is too far removed in time.

 

In these instances the yacht will have to be valued by a marine surveyor in Australia. This valuation will be based on the market value and as such will include elements such as customs duty and GST. Customs will have to deduct these elements plus overseas transport from the local valuation.

 

Where the yacht is sailed to Australia, overseas freight will be determined having regard to essential sailing costs incurred under the most commercially viable conditions. Such costs would include sailing expenditure necessarily incurred while the vessel is actually sailing (and entering and leaving) those ports of call on the most commercially viable route. It would not include any in port expenditure related to the vessel's period of stopover

 

. Where supported by sufficient/reliable information, essential sailing costs would also include:

 

* cost of maps, charts pilot books, light/radio lists, etc.

* crew's hire/wages or forage allowance in lieu

* victualling or food costs (does not include tobacco and alcoholic beverages)

* bunkering or oil/fuel costs.

 

So, there may be a case put by customs that you put it together, so you pay duty on that valuation post delivery and on-shore "construction".?

Alternatively, if you put the bits together and sail it here, you get some deductibles, but risk tax on ahigher value.

Confusing to this lil black duck.

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Bryce , you got a Govt. URL for that ?

 

(Updated) Bryce I think I found it, FT10 would NOT be considered "US originating goods" , that sucks US originating goods document -customs

 

however it maybe that a percentage may apply to non-China components , but you know tax beauracracy would it be worth it ? (technically Ozzie CST mast and US Harken fitting are exempt duty, don't know about glass,resin)

 

oh well ROLL ON THE AUS-CHINA FTA ! tho that may crush ALL other industries in Australia. weigh it up

 

other misc shyte

 

AUSFTA 'Orgin' techno-babble

some AUSFTA Chapter 89 'ships'boats, floating vessels'

 

 

Also look here.... http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=4579

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Thanks Bryce,

Looks like however you carve it up, 44 can become 77 or even 88 pretty easily.

Get a nice second hand Lyons for that from Mackay Marine, looking in the current Book of Dreams".

Yowie out.

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On the tax issue, I have a friend buying a new ultralite plane from the states. He has arranged with the factory to say he is building more than 51% off it so he doesn't get hit with some sort off import tax. The only thing is he has to go over there for 4 weeks to make it look like he is building it. It takes them that long to build it and pack it into the container. He said the amount he saves more than pays for the 4 weeks holiday he has over there. If they are going to turn these things out in a week or 2 you may get a cheap trip to china and save some money

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I am sure that your friend will have a very busy four weeks ahead of himself, as would we in China, for the erudition of any lurking fiscal fiend! :rolleyes:

what is the potential saving? I wonder its not a bit harder to show that for a boat than a plane. No way I could do 51%... of the tender maybe.

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He is not actually touching the thing. He will be in vegas most off the time. The point off going over is to basically to get a stamp in his passport to show customs he was there. Even if customs rang the builder they will say he did it, they cannot prove otherwise. Don't know the actually savings but the plane costs about 230k so the saving are going to be higher. Might not be worth it in your case.

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Of course in Oz you could do this

 

Get appointed east coast dealer with a limited geographic area (say Pittwater)

 

Register for an ABN nos and say you carry on an "enterprise' for tax purposes

 

Acquire the boat as goods essential to the efficient conduct of your business of dealer

 

You then:

 

Claim a GST imput tax credits (ITCs) on the acquisition of the goods ($7k-$9k refund)

 

Claim ITCs on the maintaince/mooring/repairs etc and as you get no real income you get a GST refund every quarter (say $1500 pa)

 

Claim depreciation on the goods over the effective life of the boat (7 years so $10k deduction pa)

 

And if you on sell the boat do a GST adjustment

 

So after the first year you have recovered nearly 1/4 of the purchase price in real terms

 

Just get your accountant to sign off on the arangements to be sure

 

Of course the penalty imposed might be 75% of the tax liability

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But if you follow the advice given on SA you get what you deserve!!!

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whats the scoop on shipping these boats in a container...last time i checked the internal dimensions of a 40ft container was 2.33m..these flying tigers are 2.79m beam so the website says...shipping on a flat rack is very diferent from a cost perspectine than a 40 ft container..is ther something here i have missed or is the stated bmax less than 2.33m in reality?

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whats the scoop on shipping these boats in a container...last time i checked the internal dimensions of a 40ft container was 2.33m..these flying tigers are 2.79m beam so the website says...shipping on a flat rack is very diferent from a cost perspectine than a 40 ft container..is ther something here i have missed or is the stated bmax less than 2.33m in reality?

 

 

I think it goes in at an angle....

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whats the scoop on shipping these boats in a container...last time i checked the internal dimensions of a 40ft container was 2.33m..these flying tigers are 2.79m beam so the website says...shipping on a flat rack is very diferent from a cost perspectine than a 40 ft container..is ther something here i have missed or is the stated bmax less than 2.33m in reality?

 

http://www.hickmarine.com.au/index_files/image4701.jpg

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SPARKY:

 

LAURA WILL SEND YOUR E-MAIL TO ALL IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS JUST IN CASE ONE OF THEM MISSES THIS THREAD.

 

GOOD LUCK

 

Hey Bill is it time for a new update on how many hull numbers we have and the retired numbers?

 

Hull #68 :ph34r:

 

Laura has updated the pinned thread as of today: I counted 75 hulls, plus the two M.I.A. We should be at 77 then.

 

Cazza

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SPARKY:

 

LAURA WILL SEND YOUR E-MAIL TO ALL IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS JUST IN CASE ONE OF THEM MISSES THIS THREAD.

 

GOOD LUCK

 

Hey Bill is it time for a new update on how many hull numbers we have and the retired numbers?

 

Hull #68 :ph34r:

 

Laura has updated the pinned thread as of today: I counted 75 hulls, plus the two M.I.A. We should be at 77 then.

 

Cazza

 

My hull # is 79

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Laura has updated the pinned thread as of today: I counted 75 hulls, plus the two M.I.A. We should be at 77 then.

 

Cazza

 

My hull # is 79

 

where is it going?

 

Cazza

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Laura has updated the pinned thread as of today: I counted 75 hulls, plus the two M.I.A. We should be at 77 then.

 

Cazza

 

My hull # is 79

 

where is it going?

 

Cazza

 

Home is in Arizona, however work and sail East Coast of Florida. Hopefully by the time #79 is ready I will be sailing in San Diego

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re duties, taxes

 

anyone looked into taxes/gst's re unassembled, or CKD as they used to call it with cars that required assembly in OZ, remember no motor too

 

mebbe an angle ?

 

I'm thinking you could argue that without a motor and a 'completed rig' you could argue it's not a completed yacht, but the container is a box of parts?

 

remember the mast requires assembly (is in 3 pieces ) then rigging attached.

 

the FTA (with US) angle must be investigated!

 

 

CKD has no bearing on the duty charge other than the unfinished product should be cheaper hence less duty. Follow on savings in the GST component

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Now it looks like production is under way I thought it is time to bring the Aussie FT10 fleet back to the top to see where we are at so far as the fleet is going for Austraila.

I am hull No77 for Albany WA. I have heard of 3 for Busselton, 1 Bunbury, 1 Perth all WA, 1 Sydney and 1 in Tasmania. Is this all correct.

What date is the first one due into WA. There are others intrested in Albany but would like to see one first.

My best guess is delivery for the 70s boats would be April 2007 to late for Geographe Bay race week but ready for the following year.

Any talk of Moters, Trailers ETC ?

Lets get the talk going for Aussie fleet.

Cheers

Strobe

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What is a an approx figure all up to land in oz.

 

Some months ago Sparky gave a reasonable estimate. See below.

 

The only things I can think of to add to it are GSA at 10% and import duty at about 3%. Maybe a trailer?

 

Nobody

 

 

Cost estimates:

 

FT-10 $A 60,000

Freight (TAS) $A 6,000

Outboard $A 2,700

unpack and rig $A 2,000

Misc fitout $A 2,500

 

#3 jib for Tassie winds $A 2,200

Chicken chute $A 3,000

 

Total $A 78,400

 

(about $US 57,200)

 

THESE ARE JUST MY BEST GUESSES MADE ON THE BASIS OF SOME VERBAL QUOTES AND SOME SPECULATION.

 

As we get closer to delivery we'll be contacting the outboard manufacturer and freight companies to try to organise group buys - hopefully with the support of HipTrader.

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It would be great to join you, but the extra dollars (freight, duties, and GST etc) knocked me out.

 

Still good value though. Great to see a few coming this way, surprised not more coming to east coast.

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It would be great to join you, but the extra dollars (freight, duties, and GST etc) knocked me out.

 

Still good value though. Great to see a few coming this way, surprised not more coming to east coast.

 

Putting on my asshat cap. Reasons the east coast isn't buying (both US and AU)

1. (AU) Wot, no trapezes? WTF is it good for?

2. (AU&US) A Bob Perry designed boat built in China? Hell, so and so built (the latest rocket) and I'm sure I can get the plans and slap it together (with modifications) less than the import duty/taxes/etc from China.

3. (US, specifically NYYC) Less than $50000, are you kidding? Someone get a hold of the owners of Swan. Design us a boat that reflects our needs. We need to show our conspicuous consumption.

 

:lol:

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Broomy

What is your best guess of when Perth built will hit WA. Then when you think Ours in the 70s might arrive. I can tow my boat to Albany for putting together but would be keen for help on the mast.

 

I am also keen to talk group buys with any of the extra gear we may need.

 

Would love to here from hull 23 owner in Perth.

 

Cheers

Strobe

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I'll be happy to contact the Tohatsu importer and see what can be arranged for a group buy. I'll let you all know what I discover, maybe we can play the old "West vs East" card to get ourselves the best possible pricing.

 

Also, since I'm on the east coast, I'll make contact with some of the electronics importers and see if any of them are willing to deal with us.

 

For both the motor and elec tronics, in my opinion, the deal we make should include delivery through a local dealer. That way if there are any problems we won't run into the "she'll be right mate" shrig of the shoulders.

 

Would Aussie depositors have a look at the thread on instrumentation and lets discuss if thats what we want in Oz.

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For West Aus sailors...

 

Guys I would love to:

 

A) have a look / sail on an FT10 when 1 arrives

B) Help with deliveries to Geographe if you are short on crew.

C) work in conjuction with owners to set up a rigging replacement package that complies with OD once the supplied ropes need replacing.

 

Cheers

 

SW

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Hi, Expecting No 23 into RPYC around September and by the sound of it there will be a lot of people to help me get it out of the container. Will set it up for a Saturday and I will buy the Keg... see you all there.

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Jaymac

I would love to hear when the boat arrives. Drop me an e-mail via SA. The keg sounds like a good idea. Can call it our first meeting for WA FT10 fleet.

 

I know there are many people wanting to see how she sails against the Foundations and the Mumm's at RPYC.

 

Cheers

Strobe

PRSC

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Hi, Expecting No 23 into RPYC around September and by the sound of it there will be a lot of people to help me get it out of the container. Will set it up for a Saturday and I will buy the Keg... see you all there.

 

Count me in mate. My wife and I will fly over from Tassie to help out and see how she goes.

(don't worry, she's a better sailor than me :-)

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The boat looks fantastic.. cheap .. light.. fast and enough space to take the kids away for the weekend.. The reservation I would have is the 15% cost of getting it through customs.. and eagerly await news on the hassle involved on delivery that we can all learn from.. also the bulb weight looks a bit light.. every picture seems to have a boat load of chinese just to keep it upright... if and when a boat turns up in Sydney..would like to offer some help in setting up and have a closer look.

 

My hull number is 101, and destined for Rushcutters Bay, East Sydney. I look forward to contact with any other depositors in Sydney.

 

Adrian

East Sydney

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How many going east coast?

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How many going east coast?

As far as I know there's mine (Hobart), Adrian in Sydney and, if I recall correctly one more somewhere in Sydney.

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Two Aussie based questions.

 

1. Has anyone else noticed how much this boat has ended up looking like the Adams 10.6.

 

2. Sparky, I might be about to move to Hobart. Do you need crew?

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Two Aussie based questions.

 

1. Has anyone else noticed how much this boat has ended up looking like the Adams 10.6.

 

2. Sparky, I might be about to move to Hobart. Do you need crew?

 

Very possibly - I'll send you a pm

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Hi, Expecting No 23 into RPYC around September and by the sound of it there will be a lot of people to help me get it out of the container. Will set it up for a Saturday and I will buy the Keg... see you all there.

 

 

Jaymac will have to alert you by courier pigeon as his privileges have been severely curtailed on SA.

 

Anyone know why ?.

 

(surely not the editors bitch about dacron sails ?)

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OK, wassup??

 

Just hoping to get a little justice happening, and don't give me the "benevolent dictator" routine. :(

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I saw jaymacs take on the dacron thing. Was pretty tame compared to the Eds rant. Frakka was there some PMing between the Ed and Jaymac we dont know about?

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OK, wassup??

 

Just hoping to get a little justice happening, and don't give me the "benevolent dictator" routine. :(

 

Hey, I'm with you! So wassup? Somebody bounced for disagreeing?

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From the Dacron thread (scuse the pun). I don't want to shitstir here, but is this exchange why Jaymac got bounced? Surely not.

 

 

Factory sails for class racing during the period of delivery of the first 100 boats is the the right idea to provide the development of one design class racing. After this period, no doubt, there will be changes that include the input of owners, who will by this time have the experience to offer it.

 

This project belongs to the builders and I applaud their leadership, it does not belong to the editor and I condemn his childish dummy spit.

 

Meanwhile if you want to spend money, there is plenty of opportunity to develop your own PHRF sails, just keep the delivery sails for the times when speed does not matter and we all race equally together.

 

Jaymac No23

 

 

Condem me? That's funny! Let's not forget I'm the guy who helped put this fucking boat on the map. Something tells me I know a bit more about sails than you, and besides most owners here want better sails. The Dacron spec'd in the Class rules blows. You want to race around with that, go right ahead. It's not for me.

 

 

I remember this cos jaymac is the first West Aussie in line so was interested in his view on the subject.

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And he's been bounced? Pathetic if that's the case. The benevolent dictator was an off the cuff comment, nought else....

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And he's been bounced? Pathetic if that's the case. The benevolent dictaor was an off the cuff comment, nought else....

 

No problem Grumps, now you're on the program. Glug's post and quote above is why Jaymac has been parked up for a while, unless there has been some offline dialogue we're not privy to. I thought the editor might drop in and clear the matter up ?. :(

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And he's been bounced? Pathetic if that's the case. The benevolent dictator was an off the cuff comment, nought else....

you callin Scot pathetic ?

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QUOTE(GRUMPY @ Aug 28 2006, 04:16 PM) *

 

And he's been bounced? Pathetic if that's the case. The benevolent dictator was an off the cuff comment, nought else....

 

Quate(GybeSET @Aug 30 2006)

"you callin Scot PATHETIC"

 

And you can fuck right off too GS. Why do you want to lick his ring? A pathetic thing to do is what I'm saying.

 

No need or call for you bring your foolishness here.

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too ??

 

you mean me and ....

I mean you're a fucking wanker, no wonder your brother sat you on your arse. Grow up, act your age,christ sake you'll be 60 soon.

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no, decades out

 

thanks for multiplying my age by over a third

 

are you turning yet another forum into my 'in error' personal details, which are the result of innacurate conjecture, guesswork and PM'ing between the " Yobbo AUS Anarchists Club Inc." Gang of Five, who have never met me and would pass me in the street, in fact they live 1000's of kms away (in 4 separate directions)

yessiree, they are "right on the fucking money". ROFLMAO;

 

 

and you call one other "pathetic" , look in the mirror, Dopey

.

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Very possibly - I'll send you a pm

 

SPARKY

 

I have requested from Hiptrader details as follows:

 

"I shall have some specific documentary requirement (as will all other

> Australian purchasers) including:

>

> Standards under which built. E.g. ABS

>

> Permanently marked hull identification number.

>

> Builder’s Certificate

> http://www.amsa.gov.au/Forms/AMSA211.pdf

>

> Bill of Sale

> http://www.amsa.gov.au/Forms/AMSA159.pdf

>

> Vessels will have to comply with requirements for registration under Shipping

> Registration Act 1981.

>

> Would you please advise an approximate date for delivery of this yacht?

>

> What is the approximate date for further deposit?

 

I have not yet had a response but, to be fair, they will have to enquire about having such documents notarised in China, and accpetable to Australian authorities. That should be done through an Australian Embassy and I assume will take some doing. There are other matters which will arise.

 

Adrian

East Sydney (Australia)

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Saw Jaymac at wednesday arvo sailing (pure decadence) and he tells me the FT has been delayed one week, missed a customs deadline in China, guess it should be here around 21st October. Also BTW Jaymac has eaten crow and apologised to the editor, be nice to see the Ed bestow that "moment of kindness" sometime soon ?.

 

Look forward to the owner updating progress and posting the pic's of the first boat arriving in Australia.

 

u.

 

(I see Neil Pryde made front page today :) )

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Saw Jaymac at wednesday arvo sailing (pure decadence) and he tells me the FT has been delayed one week, missed a customs deadline in China, guess it should be here around 21st October. Also BTW Jaymac has eaten crow and apologised to the editor, be nice to see the Ed bestow that "moment of kindness" sometime soon ?.

 

Look forward to the owner updating progress and posting the pic's of the first boat arriving in Australia.

 

u.

 

(I see Neil Pryde made front page today :) )

 

I've seen no such apology...

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I've seen no such apology...

 

I've sent Jaymac a "please explain" email....... :(

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What is the latest ETA of the first FT10 to Perth???? or WA for that matter?

 

Thanks for your support over this...it is great to be reinstated, as at

this time it will be really valuable for me to access unloading and assembly

info from the forums. The Boat has slipped another week, thru failure of

outgoing customs documentation. It will be end Oct now, provided that incoming

docs run smoothly.

You are at liberty to post this, unlike other communications that I may have

made!

 

Jaymac.

 

Why don't you ask Jaymac directly, he's back on deck now.

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Why don't you ask Jaymac directly, he's back on deck now.

 

 

Hey Jaymac

Whens it arriving :unsure:

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'Panthera' Due into Fremantle on Monday 23... should be into RPYC Crawley for unpacking on Thursday morn. Will not be sailing for the week end. should launch around Wed. Will update you further....Jaymac

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'Panthera' Due into Fremantle on Monday 23... should be into RPYC Crawley for unpacking on Thursday morn. Will not be sailing for the week end. should launch around Wed. Will update you further....Jaymac

 

welcome back jay.

 

And congratulations with your new boat! (Just got notice that shipment of mine is delayed to oct. 30 for better packing... feedback is working. ETA nov. 20)

 

Cazza

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Thanks Cazza... its good to be back.

Mine will perhaps be the first unsupervised assembly, will let you know how I get on.

I see in another thread Code Z complains about no special fast planing pics, he had better put his name down for my team! We will give it a real go in a couple of weeks. Jaymac.

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Thanks Cazza... its good to be back.

Mine will perhaps be the first unsupervised assembly, will let you know how I get on.

I see in another thread Code Z complains about no special fast planing pics, he had better put his name down for my team! We will give it a real go in a couple of weeks. Jaymac.

 

JayMac,

 

Let me know how I can help.

 

Clew

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Thanks Cazza... its good to be back.

Mine will perhaps be the first unsupervised assembly, will let you know how I get on.

I see in another thread Code Z complains about no special fast planing pics, he had better put his name down for my team! We will give it a real go in a couple of weeks. Jaymac.

 

jaymac

 

I hope that you are writing the assembly manual for the benefit of everyone else. I, for one, would be grateful to hear and see just what it takes to assemble the FT.

 

Has anyone an update on delivery schedules?

 

What deposit number are they up to?

 

I am trying to get an idea on when I might expect #101 in Sydney.

Anyone want to charter me an Adams 10 for the next 6 months?

 

Adrian

East Sydney

#101

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jaymac

 

I hope that you are writing the assembly manual for the benefit of everyone else. I, for one, would be grateful to hear and see just what it takes to assemble the FT.

 

Has anyone an update on delivery schedules?

 

What deposit number are they up to?

 

I am trying to get an idea on when I might expect #101 in Sydney.

Anyone want to charter me an Adams 10 for the next 6 months?

 

Adrian

East Sydney

#101

 

Adrian,

unpacking instructions, provided by HT, are accessible to members on the class website. If you're not a member email "info at ft10class.info" and I'll send you a copy.

 

Cazza

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jaymac

 

I hope that you are writing the assembly manual for the benefit of everyone else. I, for one, would be grateful to hear and see just what it takes to assemble the FT.

 

Has anyone an update on delivery schedules?

 

What deposit number are they up to?

 

I am trying to get an idea on when I might expect #101 in Sydney.

Anyone want to charter me an Adams 10 for the next 6 months?

 

Adrian

East Sydney

#101

 

Adrian,I don't know if the A10 thats moored off the RSYS has been sold or not.He's chartered before.Look up his details in the for sale section of the website.www.adams10.yachting.org.au

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Adrian,I don't know if the A10 thats moored off the RSYS has been sold or not.He's chartered before.Look up his details in the for sale section of the website.www.adams10.yachting.org.au

 

Thanks, I rang him yesterday and he said is taking a deposit today. When I can get an idea when FT will be delivered, I can work out what i want to do in the meantime.

 

Adrian

East Sydney

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Thanks, I rang him yesterday and he said is taking a deposit today. When I can get an idea when FT will be delivered, I can work out what i want to do in the meantime.

 

Adrian

East Sydney

 

That is interesting. It is not the best A10 and needs a lot of work.

 

If you want to get out for a sail on a Saturday and have a steer etc just let me know as there is always room on Animus. The other option is you can send me a pm with your details etc that I can mail out to all owners at MHYC and see if any can loan you their boat for a race or two.

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Panthera due into RPYC at 7.30 am Thursday morning. its take 18 months but tomorrow is the day. Any extra hands welcome... Jay

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Panthera due into RPYC at 7.30 am Thursday morning. its take 18 months but tomorrow is the day. Any extra hands welcome... Jay

 

 

Congrats,

 

It will be good to see it.

 

Cheers

 

GBM

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Hull #12 arrived at RPYC this morning. Fittings, mast, keel and boom removed ok but as you can see in the photos the side of the container had been caved in. Fortunately it was at the stern area of the boat and no damage, but the cradle cannot be moved until the container side is straightened. Jay is waiting for a fitter/welder to arrive.

 

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You can see the bulge in the container here, bows in about 200mm over about 1.5m. Pretty difficult to jack out because of the hull. Probably cut the wall out, I'll check back in later.

 

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Guess what ?, Panthera got parked next to Frakka !. That's the FT boom on the trailer, rigging and fittings on the ground behind.

 

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See the bang in the bin here as well. Not sure about the rigidity of the tiller, first sail in a breeze here will answer the question I guess. I'll go and see how the can opening is going, sort of like a caesarium or breach birth. :)

I'm sure Jay will have lots to say when the boat is released.

 

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Jeezus!!

 

Lucky the boat looks ok. Imagine watching the truck arrive and seeing that dent in the side.

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Guess what ?, Panthera got parked next to Frakka !. That's the FT boom on the trailer, rigging and fittings on the ground behind.

 

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Now theres a boat I've spent some time on (sigh). You too gbm. How long have the rainbow stripes been gone for?

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Why is the keel unfinished?

I can be corrected but I think Jaymac chose to have it antifouled in factory.

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Can opener worked, got the hull out undamaged. Missed the action but Jay & co have pics.

 

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Saw her this morning. Theres a couple of nasty scrapes in the get coat, and one in the keel. Did these happen before or after the container?

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Congratulations Jaymac

Boat looks sweet - Quality of finish surprised me from previous reports

I agree with previos critisism's re the tiller and outboard bomb doors - They do need changing

How the hell did they FORGET to put those lovely dacron sails in though :P:D

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