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39 minutes ago, Rawhide said:

It's not the wine its the glory.

I was doing the race results after a twilight race a few years ago and when I announced the winner, as he approached to take his bottle of Club sponsor product, I heard him say "I've been waiting three years for this". Then I knew that we had a problem!

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On 7/13/2017 at 0:20 PM, SPORTSCAR said:

The rationale behind the PHS system is that if you sail your boat badly enough for long enough, you will eventually win a yacht race. Conversely, if you sail your boat well for long enough you will find yourself in the position whereby you cannot possibly win a race.

ie Good sailing is punished, bad sailing is rewarded. Go figure.

When picking up our 2nd for AMS for the Range Series this year, they also gave me 3rd for PHS, should I be concerned?

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30 minutes ago, float drop said:

When picking up our 2nd for AMS for the Range Series this year, they also gave me 3rd for PHS, should I be concerned?

It just means they under estimated your sailing abilities. So you should feel insulted... not concerned.

Mex

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Phs doesn't translate across different venues because the conditions are different.....

 


Measurement rules typeform, performance rules are open to sandbagging. One is as corrupt as the other.

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9 hours ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

It's not called "dial a winner" for nothing, or as it's known at out club "the east coast phenomenon"

Dart Board Racing

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So far on this site I have seen IRC dumped on, AMS dumped on, ORCI who cares ( only Syd Fishers has been interested here to keep those damn Victorians from having a say) and now PHS coping a serve WTF?

You tell me how you get a fair rule (other than one design and even then there are the haves and have nots (look at Aero aka JB continuous keen up in the Etcheles ) to compare the wide variety of boats and budgets.

I like to race PHS ( fairly no sand bagging) in my older and noncompetitive (IRC / AMS and probably ORCI) boat as it gives a bit of interest in the day on a smallish budget ( obviously I don't sail from the Targe) but we have fun.

Face it guys bitching about handicaps and handicap system is as old as yacht racing with the added complication of the Sydney Mafia yachting administration.

I'd happily support the Intergalactic Championships (sound a blast forgive the pun). 

As always winners are grinners and everyone else complains.

YA dinghy yardstick anyone?

 

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Anyone have the story on the bad ass looking 38 to 40 foot canting keel race boat on the hard at SYC?

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On 8/23/2017 at 0:51 PM, Chucky said:

Anyone have the story on the bad ass looking 38 to 40 foot canting keel race boat on the hard at SYC?

I heard that it's maybe been purchased by the owner of Belle??

Mex

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42 minutes ago, mexican said:

I heard that it's maybe been purchased by the owner of Belle??

Mex

Shaw design, upgrade on Little Nico. Correct re Belle owner. Also owns hot little Thommo 30 Aerosports 2 ex Foundation.

 

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Pretty certain it's not in the 38-40ft range Chucky - looks like a super 30 contender....very clean layout. These boats are pretty cool and don't come cheap......with a demand for talent to sail them well and a resale that'd make you cry. Looking at some of the Hammo vids, the FarEast 28's look like a big (fun!)  bang for the buck, some opportunity for tuning partnerships and possibly some OD racing. 

That said, if someone has the cash, talent and time to put into a program.....go for it! I'm looking forward to seeing the rig ( the keel bulb looks interesting!!)

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Sorry Sportscar - missed your post...so it's the latest Shaw 11? If so, what upgrades does it feature? Keel looks very similar....

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BIG Congratulations to the SYC J111 "Joust" crew.

3rd at the San Francisco Worlds by a whisker.

With 4 1st places a fantastic effort.

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On 8/25/2017 at 1:15 PM, Couta said:

Sorry Sportscar - missed your post...so it's the latest Shaw 11? If so, what upgrades does it feature? Keel looks very similar....

No idea what the upgrades would be but here's some pics to moisten your loins:

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10 hours ago, SPORTSCAR said:

No idea what the upgrades would be but here's some pics to moisten your loins:

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Undies gusset expanding indeed! Looking at the Little Nico vids from Hammo, she appeared a little heavy (slower to lift her skirts on the reach than some of her rivals) although it couldabeen just the squirty breeze behind Dent...

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Obvious changes to Little Nico are the two "pit" winches (LN has one central winch), no starboard side forward sliding hatch, a clear cotpit floor hatch, rather than a solid hatch. Some minor accessory equipment mods e.g. turning blocks, kite retrieval line exit point, etc. My biggest question is where are the mounting points for the running backstays??

Little Nico only weighs 2600kg about 110kgs more than Smooth Criminal, but does have quite a percentage more wetted area. That said, LN does not push more water as she accelerates, if you watch some video of her she simply accelerates over her displacement hump (what there is of it) extremely easily and quickly, so when looking at her she does not appear to accelerate. But believe me she is a monster. I've never helmed an 11 meter yacht capable of a constant 19 knots two sail reaching in 20 knots of breeze until I had the opportunity when she was at SYC before competing at Geelong.

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Hearing Damo and his PP1 boys are involved in that new Shaw program. Good guys to get the thing going fast but I wonder how much influence on the sailing the PBO will have?

Could be an interesting on-board dynamic if past history is anything to go by.

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Thanks for the comparison Don - agree with your comments re acceleration of LN. Shaw 11 specs have displacement (sailing) of 2400kg while the MC31 quotes 2150kg (I'm assuming dry).....The MC31 still has some work to do if it's to capture further market...that said, I'm convinced it's performance is yet to be fully explored. Not saying it hasn't got some issues, just that we haven't seen it worked up. The more boats in this size range, the better!

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On 8/30/2017 at 11:50 AM, Last Post said:

Hearing Damo and his PP1 boys are involved in that new Shaw program. Good guys to get the thing going fast but I wonder how much influence on the sailing the PBO will have?

Could be an interesting on-board dynamic if past history is anything to go by.

Now hearing all is not rosy in the program and there may be a few "issues"

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I'm assuming it is Faze who has had this built. Give the man his due, he has kept many a boatbuilder and sailmaker going when he goes off on another tangent. If anyone tracked his boats it would have most people's bucket list yachts on it.

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On 9/7/2017 at 6:41 AM, Jono said:

I'm assuming it is Faze who has had this built. Give the man his due, he has kept many a boatbuilder and sailmaker going when he goes off on another tangent. If anyone tracked his boats it would have most people's bucket list yachts on it.

Affirmative, Faze it is. Not sure this one is going quite the way he may have planned. No progress in the last 2 weeks, rumours abound... but you get that in boatyards.

Agreed, he does have great taste in fine yachts. His 60 fter Belle has sat for weeks / months at Sandy without her mast in yet another case of yachtus interruptus, for which he is well known. He has developed a bit of a habit of mothballing good boats.

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On 9/8/2017 at 5:27 PM, DickDastardly said:

And in other news I understand a certain Cookson 50 may be heading north soon.

So that leaves Primative Cool.

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What are the odds that the 6th J111 coming to SYC will be named Scarlet Runner?

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1 minute ago, Don said:

What are the odds that the 6th J111 coming to SYC will be named Scarlet Runner?

Take it to the bank

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On 9/8/2017 at 5:27 PM, DickDastardly said:

And in other news I understand a certain Cookson 50 may be heading north soon.

Sold or what? It heads north about this time nearly every year.

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1 hour ago, Last Post said:

Sold or what? It heads north about this time nearly every year.

May well be about time it headed north, but it is essentially sold.  Probably leaving next week.

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Must be about time to rename this thread with Primitive C the only "big" 50+ boat left on this puddle. And they're not exactly worth a thread of their own.

On the "Melbourne A Bit Smaller Boat Fleet" theme, hearing one of the very few Soto 30s built back when that projects driver Long Tim was inhabiting these pages is heading our way from somewhere in Asia. 

Maybe they can help revitalise the more affordable 30ft sport/keelboat that isnt competitive under AMS or IRC scene?  

Meanwhile, the brand spanking new Shaw 'Little Nico' clone parked in the yard at Sandringham continues to be a bustling hive of inactivity.

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Big is a subjective thing. A 30ft keelboat is big compared to an opti

PC is probably aground for the start of your races Hoppy - maybe CBF racing against themselves in any case

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21 hours ago, Modurn-ate said:

Big boats in Vic = longer than a Couta!

Rule revision Aug 2017 :)

Easy Tiger...you might be surprised how big I am... <_<

 

 

 

 

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On 11/09/2017 at 1:44 PM, DickDastardly said:

May well be about time it headed north, but it is essentially sold.  Probably leaving next week.

Sold.  Leaving Mebourne on Monday.   First race in Sydney October 7.  We got some learning to do...

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On 9/16/2017 at 10:51 AM, DickDastardly said:

Sold.  Leaving Mebourne on Monday.   First race in Sydney October 7.  We got some learning to do...

New owner?

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50 minutes ago, Change said:

So is the Cookson to be sold?

Has been.  First to see it bought it.  Carl Crafoord, whose offsider in a range of other projects used to question to me a lot about the boat's seemingly impossible rating.  So they bought it!  Nothing accidental about that rating, and nothing hidden either.  It's all visible on the ORCi certificate.

Clearly the best optimised C12 around, we spent an awful amount of time thinking things through over the 16 years we raced it to end up in the mode  it's in - no stone was left unturned.  That said, the boat still runs the original 1995-design IMS foils.  We ran several alternative keels through VPPs a few years back but we simply couldn't justify changing foils as the trade-offs just didn't work.  

We never did Hobart in it as it's simply not moded to perform upwind in breeze, but near sister Pazazz won its division last year, having never beaten About Time on IRC an any of our previous encounters.  

JFP and a couple of the team are leaving Melbs in the 50 today with some help provided by the previous owner.  Boat will be renamed About Time.  We should get a couple of training days in before our first race.  Sorted.

 

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9 hours ago, DickDastardly said:

Has been.  First to see it bought it.  Carl Crafoord, whose offsider in a range of other projects used to question to me a lot about the boat's seemingly impossible rating.  So they bought it!  Nothing accidental about that rating, and nothing hidden either.  It's all visible on the ORCi certificate.

Clearly the best optimised C12 around, we spent an awful amount of time thinking things through over the 16 years we raced it to end up in the mode  it's in - no stone was left unturned.  That said, the boat still runs the original 1995-design IMS foils.  We ran several alternative keels through VPPs a few years back but we simply couldn't justify changing foils as the trade-offs just didn't work.  

We never did Hobart in it as it's simply not moded to perform upwind in breeze, but near sister Pazazz won its division last year, having never beaten About Time on IRC an any of our previous encounters.  

JFP and a couple of the team are leaving Melbs in the 50 today with some help provided by the previous owner.  Boat will be renamed About Time.  We should get a couple of training days in before our first race.  Sorted.

 

Nice breeze today for them to get out of Melbourne, blowing oysters off the rocks 

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1 minute ago, Last Post said:

Nice breeze today for them to get out of Melbourne, blowing oysters off the rocks 

Just rounding Wilsons Prom as I write

 

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Interesting Motion #4 put at SYC AGM last night. Went over like a curry fuelled fart in a phone box. 

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2 hours ago, Last Post said:

Interesting Motion #4 put at SYC AGM last night. Went over like a curry fuelled fart in a phone box. 

Got the wording,

The outcome?

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On 9/20/2017 at 11:37 AM, Dark Cloud said:

our committee don't need no stinkin diversity -_-

We already have plenty of diversity - 8 different beers, 5 different gins, 6 different rums plus a huge selection of wines. How much more diversity can we stand?

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On 9/27/2017 at 0:17 PM, hoppy said:

What, no Scotch? :-O I'm glad I never joined.

I deliberately didnt mention the 18 different varieties of Scotch. Dont want the riff raff joining up.

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2 hours ago, hoppy said:

I thought SYC was full of riff-raff. As an outer suburbs club I would imagine that the haircut de-rigueur in the club house would be the mullet

Stay right where you are. Enjoy the long walk? 

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Some Melbourne Clubs kicked off their seasons last weekend. Its opening day at Royal Sandy tomorrow, the weather looks sensational for the Sail Past for a change. With somewhat unfortunate timing, they have chosen the theme for the day to be "Cruisin' the Caribbean". Hope we dont see boats washed up on the beach. 

...and I can say this with absolute certainty:

FREE BEER TOMORROW (Conditions apply)

Happy Sailing everyone for 2017-18

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Always amusing that SYC used to have the Free Beer session BEFORE the Sail Pissed.

Free Beer session is now later. Bloody Fun Police... "Don't drink and Gybe".

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On 10/6/2017 at 3:23 PM, hoppy said:

Very much a pass...

Perhaps GF day would be ok if there was a big promo for watching the game in the clubhouse, but picking another day, like the pointless public holiday would be better. 

HUNDREDS of boats, sail, power, offbeach dinghies etc in the Sandy Sail Past on their Opening Day. Just sayin'. Get with the strength.

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19 hours ago, Ockaroo said:

So the newly branded Nautilus Marine Series kicked off on the weekend, http://websites.sportstg.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-10084-0-0-0&sID=303369

Primitive Cool sailing around by themselves nearly getting beaten by Beneteaus, Hartbreaker struggling and getting beaten by Beneteaus, at least the weather was nice. 

Situation normal then.

Question: Is PC the slowest big boat or the biggest slow boat in Melbourne?

As for Arseraper, that thing, or at least the way they sail it, is a disgrace.

Surprisingly good numbers on the courses.

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1 minute ago, hoppy said:

Arcadia v The Bookmaker.

Arcadia is normally the fastest in the RMYS fleet (after PC) and the Bookmaker is one boat that's for sale and almost within my $80k budget. There are RMYS boats in Div 2 but BM was faster than all, so it would be interesting to see the gap to Arcadia.

To give you an idea, on AMS:

Arcadia .956

Bookmaker .920

 

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One for the road looks to be an A40, Arcadia is an a40rc. Slightly newer design, a little quicker around the track, and a slightly better IRC rating. 

The a40rc are great w/l machines, not as strong reaching, especially in heavy air. Have a look at what sort of legs were in a race before making too many conclusions between the boats. 

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15 hours ago, hoppy said:

Raced Arcadia in the twilight this evening but never saw her. Only saw the boats that started before us as we were passing them :)

Bookie with Josh on the tiller has towelled Arcadia on numerous occasions, particularly in A's first season here, jus' sayin'.

But then Arcadia was National IRC Champ under Rod Jones a few years back.

Has a lot to do with who's who on the boat at the time. Twilight pursuits will tell you absolutely fuck all about performance or potential

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8 minutes ago, Last Post said:

Twilight pursuits will tell you absolutely fuck all about performance or potential

^ Like looking at a chick in a burka

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8 hours ago, Rantifarian said:

One for the road looks to be an A40, Arcadia is an a40rc. Slightly newer design, a little quicker around the track, and a slightly better IRC rating. 

The a40rc are great w/l machines, not as strong reaching, especially in heavy air. Have a look at what sort of legs were in a race before making too many conclusions between the boats. 

Isn't this your old boat Rant?

Im in Melbourne at the mo, weather's grey and overcast , storm predicted,  looks perfect for sailing. 

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I am somewhat familiar with Arcadia, yes . . . 

I'm pretty sure the new owner has made a few mods, anchor windlass and hot water were on the cards I think. It still seems to be doing ok so he can't have put too much shit onboard

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16 hours ago, Ockaroo said:

Wont be on the tiller anymore... 

Oh dear, has he shit in another nest?

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23 hours ago, trt131 said:

http://www.sail-world.com/Australia/Akatea-makes-a-statement-in-the-Lipton-Cup-Regatta/158902

Does this make Akatea the fastest boat on Port Phillip?  Really, an 11 metre boat.  Come on Melbourne get your act together.

Yes. She would be the fastest boat on Port Phillip if you are using Primitive Cool, Hartbreaker, and Simply Fun as her main competition.

Yes. An 11 metre boat, but unfortunately a canting keeler.

Last I checked her sister ship Little Nico was pacing the good 52 footers in Sydney, so PC is no match based on current performance.

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Don, These are great little boats and absolute rocket ships.  I guess the point I was making is that the big boat scene in Melbourne has slipped somewhat in the last few years.  This doesn't take away from the quality of racing though.

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18 hours ago, lydia said:

So where is Simply Fun off too?

As far as I know she is yet to be sold? anyone with more info?

The new Scarlet Runner (J111) looks a treat. Apparently built in France, and a much higher quality finish than the USA built boats.

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Just wow, the new Shaw 11m "Akatea" was smokin' fast today, finishing 35 min ahead of the next boat, a 50fter. Notably, they were 59 minutes faster around the track than Smoothie which must be feeling like they had the brakes jammed on. "Akatea's" performance backs up from starting as distant last starter in last Thursday nights SYC Twilighter pursuit race and winning that too by over 7 minutes from the next boat. An expensive way to win, no doubt, but winners are still grinners, no matter the cost.

https://www.syc.com.au/raceresults/2017/klbt/pt/01RGrp20.htm

 

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18 hours ago, Last Post said:

Just wow, the new Shaw 11m "Akatea" was smokin' fast today, finishing 35 min ahead of the next boat, a 50fter. Notably, they were 59 minutes faster around the track than Smoothie which must be feeling like they had the brakes jammed on. "Akatea's" performance backs up from starting as distant last starter in last Thursday nights SYC Twilighter pursuit race and winning that too by over 7 minutes from the next boat. An expensive way to win, no doubt, but winners are still grinners, no matter the cost.

https://www.syc.com.au/raceresults/2017/klbt/pt/01RGrp20.htm

 

Amazing what an 800k 11m boat can do hey! 

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22 hours ago, hoppy said:

Dream does not sound like much of a 50ft racer, but Akatea's is pretty impressive. Their PHS will take a hit after this.

RMYS looks like it has added a little boat that will stir up the fleet. The MC31 "38 SOUTH RACING" is now owned by a RMYS member and has started racing as "NEXT STEP". Based on it's PHS handicap, it looks like it will romp on Arcadia. PC is the only yacht with a higher handicap and I presume that in light conditions the MC31 could give PC a run for it's money?

No

 

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On 11/26/2017 at 12:14 PM, SCANAS said:

Amazing what an 800k 11m boat can do hey! 

Sure is a slippery little sucker in that light stuff

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On 11/25/2017 at 3:50 PM, Last Post said:

Now showing as sold. I wonder if they got the collar and leash with the deal?

Are you suggesting the boat is a dog?

I didn't realise you'd sailed on the boat so extensively to form that opinion...

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6 hours ago, Ockaroo said:

Dream is a fast boat, cruiser/racer and sailed by a bunch of grumpy old men, but fast. Second in line honours against some quick boats.

Dream won the 2016 Cock of the Bay against a good mixed fleet. Robt Green knows a thing or two about sailing. 

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6 hours ago, mexican said:

Are you suggesting the boat is a dog?

I didn't realise you'd sailed on the boat so extensively to form that opinion...

Never set foot on it Mex, observed it plenty.

Canine reference was perhaps a bit harsh and is hereby retracted, bit of an under-achiever for her rating might be a better position to take? 

Admittedly, she creamed the 4KSB fleet at Sandy in the Club's 2017 winter series but that's hardly stellar competition for a design with that rep.

Leaving the Bay?

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On 11/25/2017 at 7:37 PM, hoppy said:

Dream does not sound like much of a 50ft racer, but Akatea's is pretty impressive. Their PHS will take a hit after this.

RMYS looks like it has added a little boat that will stir up the fleet. The MC31 "38 SOUTH RACING" is now owned by a RMYS member and has started racing as "NEXT STEP". Based on it's PHS handicap, it looks like it will romp on Arcadia. PC is the only yacht with a higher handicap and I presume that in light conditions the MC31 could give PC a run for it's money?

Ignorance is bliss!

MC 31 is a fun little boat to race but really not that quick for what it was intended to be. Even a poorly sailed PC (which it often is) should have more than enough legs to see off that boat in any conditions.

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Entries for the Aust Keelboat Champs are looking good as are the FOS numbers for the brilliantly named "Cruising with Spinnakers" div.

Rumour is fact that the Cookson 12 "A Cunning Plan" has changed ownership and name - now Voodoo and will have a new team aboard to push it at both regattas....good news as this boat has been beautifully maintained but rarely sailed for several years....

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Ichi Ban changed masts over today. Assuming going from an offshore stick to an inshore one. Would be nice to have that kind of money.

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7 hours ago, Couta said:

Entries for the Aust Keelboat Champs are looking good as are the FOS numbers for the brilliantly named "Cruising with Spinnakers" div.

Rumour is fact that the Cookson 12 "A Cunning Plan" has changed ownership and name - now Voodoo and will have a new team aboard to push it at both regattas....good news as this boat has been beautifully maintained but rarely sailed for several years....

Glamour boat - never had a good enough crew to exploit itwhen it was Sydney based but it rates too high to be competitive for a C12 IMHO.

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Assume Ichi Ban has an inshore set of sails and another IRC certificate to go with the mast change over?

The new Ray Roberts Botin 40 (or 42?) looks like a fast machine which apparently weighs just over 4T so will be interesting how it goes.No doubt will be full of some high quality sailors with some of the North Sydney loft in Melbourne to help set up this new flyer.

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38 minutes ago, Chucky said:

Assume Ichi Ban has an inshore set of sails and another IRC certificate to go with the mast change over?

The new Ray Roberts Botin 40 (or 42?) looks like a fast machine which apparently weighs just over 4T so will be interesting how it goes.No doubt will be full of some high quality sailors with some of the North Sydney loft in Melbourne to help set up this new flyer.

Interesting ( in a weird kinda way) hull shape. Hope they have good boots, gonna get wet feet if the southerlies kick in. That McConaghy built Botin 40 has about the same freeboard as my SUP ffs.

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7 hours ago, BlueBoy said:

Ichi Ban changed masts over today. Assuming going from an offshore stick to an inshore one. Would be nice to have that kind of money.

Well get off this site and get back to work! LOL

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On 11/27/2017 at 9:08 PM, hoppy said:

It's got me where I am today...... Wherever that may be. 

Been looking through the super 11 site and with "NEXT STEP" and Tigress it looks like RMYS has two of the least competitive S11's in the bay.

I notice that S11 allows older boats by invitation to race under PHS, but I can't see any entry lists or results. I guess they have not invited anyone.

Don't hold your breath mate.

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10 hours ago, DickDastardly said:

Glamour boat - never had a good enough crew to exploit itwhen it was Sydney based but it rates too high to be competitive for a C12 IMHO.

Similar issue when Melbourne based - so not really sure how she'll go...but certainly looks the goods and with new rags there'll be few excuses. DickD -What is its rating issue cf other C12's and what can be done?

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Anyone here got info on the Cookson 12? I've just reviewed the certificates of the boat formerly named A Cunning Plan - now rebadged Voodoo and plan to give her a shakedown at the Australian Keelboat Champs at SYC next week....then on to Geelong for FOS. Certificates are one thing but I'm chasing a comparison and need to get an idea of how this one stacks up....all input appreciated!

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8 hours ago, Couta said:

Anyone here got info on the Cookson 12? I've just reviewed the certificates of the boat formerly named A Cunning Plan - now rebadged Voodoo and plan to give her a shakedown at the Australian Keelboat Champs at SYC next week....then on to Geelong for FOS. Certificates are one thing but I'm chasing a comparison and need to get an idea of how this one stacks up....all input appreciated!

If this is the ex-Blackadder, she's got a slightly different keel to a standard Cookson 12 - as in, deeper than the norm and a bit sexier in profile. Always immaculately prepared and with some good guys on board, but without the long term, close knit team that About Time had. We used to tickle her up quite a bit on OCL 1, but AT was definitely the benchmark of the three Cookson 12's.

Blackadder also never really sailed to the rating hit that the keel change caused. Compared to About Time the crew was more handsome, just not as fast...

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8 hours ago, Couta said:

Anyone here got info on the Cookson 12? I've just reviewed the certificates of the boat formerly named A Cunning Plan - now rebadged Voodoo and plan to give her a shakedown at the Australian Keelboat Champs at SYC next week....then on to Geelong for FOS. Certificates are one thing but I'm chasing a comparison and need to get an idea of how this one stacks up....all input appreciated!

PM Me.  I'm a known expert on Cookson 12s

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46 minutes ago, Jason AUS said:

If this is the ex-Blackadder, she's got a slightly different keel to a standard Cookson 12 - as in, deeper than the norm and a bit sexier in profile. Always immaculately prepared and with some good guys on board, but without the long term, close knit team that About Time had. We used to tickle her up quite a bit on OCL 1, but AT was definitely the benchmark of the three Cookson 12's.

Blackadder also never really sailed to the rating hit that the keel change caused. Compared to About Time the crew was more handsome, just not as fast...

I'll take that as a complement having navigated AT for 15 years or so...

Blackadder didn't have keel mods, was built that way.  True that it was never sailed to potential but IMHO it has too much keel and rig to be competitive on IRC, as was/is the case with GO (Ex Pazzaz) and Philosophers.  I delivered Pazzaz back to Sydney around 18 months ago with the then owner and talked through the keel at length.  It was noticeable how much less slippery it was downwind than About Time, despite being lighter and having a bigger rig.  He subsequently shaved 300kg off the bulb and dumped most of the lead in the fin as lead shot.  Helped a lot. 

About Time and OCL 1 were built with the original IMS keel and despite much investigation over the years we could never justify changing it (we thoght about it regularly and even had VPP studies done).  The drag penalty from the 200mm deeper fin and bigger bulb was surprisingly large and while in some circumstances the results were better, given our program the base option was always superior.

Ex-Blackadder is a glamour boat though, it would be great to see how competitive it could be well sailed.

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2 hours ago, hoppy said:

I think some of them measure in as deep as 2.84.  About Time (now known as Sail Exchange) was 2.57.  It's all visible on the ORC certificates and IRC listings.  Assuming they were correctly measured of course.

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