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12 minutes ago, mad said:

No wonder the bowman is running like fuck back to the end of the bus!! 

LOL...he was the one saying "we can make it ! "...actually by the wake you can see "red" was bearing away hard trying to duck

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Slight thread drift.

Youse guys who sailed on Maxis BITD, what number of crew did those boats require for delivery trips and other such non- powered up sailing?

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49 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Slight thread drift.

Youse guys who sailed on Maxis BITD, what number of crew did those boats require for delivery trips and other such non- powered up sailing?

Long deliveries were generally 7 or 8.  Two watches of 3 or 4.  All hands on deck for things like a heavy air gybe, but generally reduced the sailplan pretty early.  Dacron sails only.

Also all hands on deck for the mid-Atlantic or Equator crossing party.

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1 hour ago, SailBlueH2O said:

LOL...he was the one saying "we can make it ! "...actually by the wake you can see "red" was bearing away hard trying to duck

There seemed to be a lodge meeting going on in the cockpit at the time so a crash tack would have worked if the guy on the helm hadn't had the headlights in his eyes.  Choke city, who was driving?

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7 hours ago, P_Wop said:

Long deliveries were generally 7 or 8.  Two watches of 3 or 4.  All hands on deck for things like a heavy air gybe, but generally reduced the sailplan pretty early.  Dacron sails only.

Also all hands on deck for the mid-Atlantic or Equator crossing party.

And sometimes all hands for the skipper's birthday party.  I had 4 birthdays in a row in the Atlantic in late May, Caribbean to Europe.  

I have horrid memories of one hung-over morning after, going to brush my teeth only to find that my ever-loving crew had squeezed out all my toothpaste and back-filled the tube with Preparation H.  I was well into the scrub before the foul taste and evil green-brown froth in my mouth alerted me that something was seriously wrong.

Massive laughter on deck.

Bastards.

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On 1/14/2019 at 12:55 PM, sledracr said:

Saw her last July, tied up in front of someone's house in Port Ludlow, WA.  Looked to be in decent shape.

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Where is Longy?  Same paint job on Jubie when we on Secret Love, the bright red Peterson 45, got “tapped” by Jubie during prestart maneuvers on WLIS. Jubie was trying to steer inside us and missed, denting SL stainless toe rail track Starboard side aft. 

I was below in the centerline nav station of SL and got rocked off the seat, popped up out of the deck hatch just fwd of the helm (twin wheels? If memory serves) to see the aftermath.  Jubie is aluminum and wasn’t damaged at all. Later after the race alongside Indian Harbor YC, Longy unbolted the bent track that took most of the hit and tossed it in the drink. SL had a minor ding in the FG rail.

I was working at Banks Sails that summer, mid ‘80s (fuzzy memory) when Longy came in to get some sails fixed after SORC, sailing up from FL to Newport, inviting us to go racing on SL. He was headed with the boat to Europe for Sardinia Cup eventually. 

Longy can relate the details of the time Secret Love got grief from the San Francisco Pilots when Lowell North steered her under the bow of a big ship, taking a short cut during BBS. 

Saw Longy again a few years later in Naples, Italy on a white Baltic 55 also called Secret Love. 

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On 1/14/2019 at 6:55 PM, sledracr said:

Saw her last July, tied up in front of someone's house in Port Ludlow, WA.  Looked to be in decent shape.

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Prototype of First 53 ??

 

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6 hours ago, Frumious Bandersnatch said:

Longy can relate the details of the time Secret Love got grief from the San Francisco Pilots when Lowell North steered her under the bow of a big ship, taking a short cut during BBS.

That was 1983. Secret Love earned her very own paragraph in the Sailing Instructions the following year.

BBS seems to have a penchant for that. I was sailing with Larry Klein (RIP) in the 1994 BBS when that tragedy took place which gave rise to the "K" flag. My parents were watching from the race deck, and... let's simply say that day was bad.

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   Ship incident was 1982, IIRC. We only raced BBS twice, boat was donated to USN after Sardine Cup '84. Jubie went into us 6" on deck, about 18" down the topsides. Luckily I'd towed the brand new "Brooke Ann" ( in Fl, just launched for SORC) back to the shipyard after the shaft gland spun down & locked the shaft preventing her from motoring, so Hieneman (?sp) owned me a favor. We fixed the damage right there at the YC. They had a big crowd power lunching there every day, parking lot full of expensive cars. We did all the grinding at lunch, all cars had a THICK layer of grp dust on them. Somehow, never heard a complaint.  Aluminum track on the rail, tho, so a bit softer than ss. And it was the start, we were both over early & circling back to the pin. Jube thought she could turn inside us, as she was 1/2 a length to weather. This was 1984.

      The YC was very proper, had launch service out to the moorings, & the launch driver kids would bang off a morning 12 g in the cannon every morning at eight. This disturbed my sleep so I made off with the cannon one night. A couple of days after I returned it, the little bastards snuck out to the mooring I was on, placed the cannon directly over my berth & fired it off.  They almost dropped it into the drink they were giggling so hard getting back into the launch.

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Longy, I remember that.  I was fast asleep on the Farr 59 Orlanda right next to you.  When that gun went off I banged my head on the deckhead so hard.  Happy days.  And Jubes raced Cowes Week the following year, with Bob Fisher aboard too.  Good boat, good owner, good program.

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16 hours ago, Frumious Bandersnatch said:

Where is Longy?  Same paint job on Jubie when we on Secret Love, the bright red Peterson 45, got “tapped” by Jubie during prestart maneuvers on WLIS. Jubie was trying to steer inside us and missed, denting SL stainless toe rail track Starboard side aft. 

I was below in the centerline nav station of SL and got rocked off the seat, popped up out of the deck hatch just fwd of the helm (twin wheels? If memory serves) to see the aftermath.  Jubie is aluminum and wasn’t damaged at all. Later after the race alongside Indian Harbor YC, Longy unbolted the bent track that took most of the hit and tossed it in the drink. SL had a minor ding in the FG rail.

I was working at Banks Sails that summer, mid ‘80s (fuzzy memory) when Longy came in to get some sails fixed after SORC, sailing up from FL to Newport, inviting us to go racing on SL. He was headed with the boat to Europe for Sardinia Cup eventually. 

Longy can relate the details of the time Secret Love got grief from the San Francisco Pilots when Lowell North steered her under the bow of a big ship, taking a short cut during BBS. 

Saw Longy again a few years later in Naples, Italy on a white Baltic 55 also called Secret Love. 

Jubilation was composite built by Eric Goetz. Saw her under construction in Bristol. 

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16 hours ago, Frumious Bandersnatch said:

Longy can relate the details of the time Secret Love got grief from the San Francisco Pilots when Lowell North steered her under the bow of a big ship, taking a short cut during BBS. 

i seem to recall reading somewhere that Secret Love crossed by something like 18 ft? 

If so, assuming the commercial vessel was only moving at 10 kts, then if Secret Love had arrived one second later, she would have been but a smudge of paint on the bow of that vessel.

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I'm sure most remember this.

What happens when one of those idiot maneuvers goes wrong.

 

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1 hour ago, SF Woody Sailor said:

Latitude 38 says 1983.  Good chance they were smoking dope though.

OK, '83 it was - long time ago. The crossing got overblown by a couple of factors. First, the Coast guard was looking for a case to set the precedents, and the pilot of the car carrier followed thru and filed charges. 2nd, Lat 38 took the incident to yellow journalism heights, filling many pages for many months, & made quite a few false claims along the way. Crossing distance was around 150'. There were a lot of telephoto distorted pic's that made things look closer, and one that 38 claimed was SL was actually of Annabelle Lee (?? some Pet 48) which was actually still mid span of the GG bridge. It was no short cut. We saw the ship come under the bridge & were taking constant bearings on her, all bearings indicated we were crossing ahead. What threw us off was the ship was turning to stbd as she traveled from the gate past Chrissy fields, so she was hunting us. Ship went down the city front, only ship I've ever seen do that. Contrary to rumors, we were completely ready to jibe around & reverse course if we got seriously worried.

  One of the quotes from the hearing, by L North "we could not have impeded the progress of the ship even if she had hit us".

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Speaking of the Canada's Cup. Whatever happened to Agape? Other than getting it's butt kicked. I believe in 1978.

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11 hours ago, longy said:

L North "we could not have impeded the progress of the ship even if she had hit us".

^^^ that made me laugh.  I can totally picture him saying that, with his "I'm an engineer, this is indisputable" voice...

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On 2/10/2019 at 8:50 AM, SF Woody Sailor said:

BBS seems to have a penchant for that. I was sailing with Larry Klein (RIP) in the 1994 BBS when that tragedy took place which gave rise to the "K" flag. My parents were watching from the race deck, and... let's simply say that day was bad.

Was there when Larry Klein was lost. We'd finished for the day, were easing up to the dock and noticed fire trucks in the parking lot and EMTs rolling a loaded gurney along the dock. Turned a good day into a sad event when we learned the details - several on the boat knew Larry and were quite shaken.

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We wuz on Stbd tack, it's a broad reach across the top of the bay. Jib top or reaching spi, depending on the tide direction.

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3 hours ago, woahboy said:

Speaking of the Canada's Cup. Whatever happened to Agape? Other than getting it's butt kicked. I believe in 1978.

With a score of 4-3 I wouldn't say Agape got it's butt kicked.  It was a hard and bitterly fought contest with more contentious protests, dismastings, etc. than you could shake a stick at.

IMO Evergreen was not that great a boat, given the carte blanche nature of the campaign.  Green probably would have been better off going to another design house than C&C, who never really designed an IOR boat of any real consequence other than Evergreen - but I get the notion of tradition and trying to make it an "All-Canadian" effort.  So kudos to him for that (if that was the reason he went with C&C).

Although if he wanted to stick with a Canadian designer, I wonder what someone like Bruce Kirby could have come up with?

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1 hour ago, longy said:

We wuz on Stbd tack, it's a broad reach across the top of the bay. Jib top or reaching spi, depending on the tide direction.

As if that matters. 

SL was in the middle of a shipping lane in one of the busiest harbors on the West Coast, and you are still defending crossing a freighter by three boat lengths - or maybe 1/5 of one of theirs - at very best.  BTW, I was nearby.

Yeah, the only real question is, did Lowell say "Here, hold my beer.  I've got this."

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38 minutes ago, 12 metre said:

With a score of 4-3 I wouldn't say Agape got it's butt kicked.  It was a hard and bitterly fought contest with more contentious protests, dismastings, etc. than you could shake a stick at.

IMO Evergreen was not that great a boat, given the carte blanche nature of the campaign.  Green probably would have been better off going to another design house than C&C, who never really designed an IOR boat of any real consequence other than Evergreen - but I get the notion of tradition and trying to make it an "All-Canadian" effort.  So kudos to him for that (if that was the reason he went with C&C).

Although if he wanted to stick with a Canadian designer, I wonder what someone like Bruce Kirby could have come up with?

Ooops, my bad. Thank you for straightening me out. 

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44 minutes ago, 12 metre said:

 

 

45 minutes ago, 12 metre said:

IMO Evergreen was not that great a boat, given the carte blanche nature of the campaign.  Green probably would have been better off going to another design house than C&C, who never really designed an IOR boat of any real consequence other than Evergreen - but I get the notion of tradition and trying to make it an "All-Canadian" effort.  So kudos to him for that (if that was the reason he went with C&C).

According to Green's book, Lowell North was an integral part of the program and lobbied HARD for Green to go with Doug Peterson for the design.  After the boat showed to be so slow at the SORC Green himself asked Peterson to consult on the project.  

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11 minutes ago, AlR said:

 

According to Green's book, Lowell North was an integral part of the program and lobbied HARD for Green to go with Doug Peterson for the design.  After the boat showed to be so slow at the SORC Green himself asked Peterson to consult on the project.  

Which brings up another point.  Agree that Evergreen sucked at SORC, and I suspect her performance there is likely what led them to fine out the bow and stern of Evergreen. IIRC a particularly low point in that series for Evergreen was having the smaller Cook 1Ton ( 27.5 rater at the time)  Rogues Roost pass them upwind on a breezy upwind leg.

Keep in mind Evergreen was designed to win CC, not SORC.  So perhaps that mod may have made her become a better all around performer, but it may not have been the right mod for CC where I suspect you would design a boat for flatter water, so a fuller bow and stern may have helped in those type of conditions.

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1 minute ago, SailBlueH2O said:

 

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Is that at Bill Lee's chicken coop in the Santa Cruz Mountains?  Sure looks a bit like it.

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Just now, P_Wop said:

Is that at Bill Lee's chicken coop in the Santa Cruz Mountains?  Sure looks a bit like it.

 

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OK, I stand corrected.  Same sort of arrangement, though.  I wonder what "Health and Safety" would say about that nowadays.

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7 minutes ago, P_Wop said:

OK, I stand corrected.  Same sort of arrangement, though.  I wonder what "Health and Safety" would say about that nowadays.

Almost no composite boats would have been built and most of us would never have been able to sail based on today’s H&S and employment laws. 

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My best friend woke up one morning and Checkered Demon was on a trailer in his neighbors yard. Lars Cabrett the third was the owner( spelling ? ). Holland half tonner, I believe.

Black Star was charted by Anne Gardner for a all female SORC campaign.

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20 minutes ago, mad said:

Almost no composite boats would have been built and most of us would never have been able to sail based on today’s H&S and employment laws. 

 5 years in the orange groves of Plant City I don't recall one serious injury, lots on minor cuts and abrasions typical of manual labor, town was 5-6 miles . When we first moved to the property the owner who had dug a large hole behind the building with the idea of making it a pond but changed his mind, he told us we could toss all our trash in the hole, plywood, glass cut offs etc. I went back an visited the property and owner for the first time a year ago after leaving it in 1979. I had often wondered about that pit and went for a look, the area was heavy overgrown ground cover but I did pull a piece of C-Flex from under the vines, that put a smile on my face. The slab we poured outside the building still had hardened resin in the plan shape of the boats. 

The landlord 40 year later and the resin still stuck to the slab

 

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13 minutes ago, LarryE said:

My best friend woke up one morning and Checkered Demon was on a trailer in his neighbors yard. Lars Cabrett the third was the owner( spelling ? ). Holland half tonner, I believe.

Black Star was charted by Anne Gardner for a all female SORC campaign.

Loys Charbonnet III

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2 hours ago, Left Shift said:

As if that matters. 

SL was in the middle of a shipping lane in one of the busiest harbors on the West Coast, and you are still defending crossing a freighter by three boat lengths - or maybe 1/5 of one of theirs - at very best.  BTW, I was nearby.

Yeah, the only real question is, did Lowell say "Here, hold my beer.  I've got this."

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, such as it is. The ship never signaled she was turning to stbd, only sounded danger pattern, starting as soon as she was under the GG bridge. Given the number of boats in the area, and the rarity of her course, we were clearing the area as fast as we could. We were exiting the channel at 90 to the channel. There were no boats astern of us, the ship could have safely straightened her turn to give more clearance & still remained in the channel easily. Yes, hindsight says we could have tried calling the vessel on VHF for her intentions.

IIRC, Ron Love was on the helm. 

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There’s a rigging guide to Evergreen & Agape in an old Spyglass on my desk. (vol.6, 1979).  Also articles on CC series, interviews with Don Green, Paul Fuchs & Peter Shumaker. From same:

”When innovative boats win, everyone is quick to praise them, but when they lose, everyone seems equally quick to criticize;  the yachting press delighted in Evergreen’s difficulties.

She was modified in between the SORC and the CC, and her rig was changed to a somewhat more stable three-spreader design. While many components of her deck layout are custom built, many others are simple and cheap.  Lowell North called Evergreen’s deck layout the best he had ever seen.”

North with a backhanded compliment there?

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15 hours ago, SailBlueH2O said:

 

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Checkered Demon is sailed actively in eastern Long Island sound. Looks like it’s in perfect shape. Pictures at Photo Boat under Off Soundings.

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IIRC, Agape was eventually sold to am owner in  Maine.  I was at the Portland YC talking with the new owner. 

He told me he had flown out to Sheboygan and met Terry Kohler.  His comment was something like, boy is he rich. 

This would have been mid '80s. 

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On 2/11/2019 at 4:17 PM, ROADKILL666 said:

Anyone remember Checkered Demon?

 

Raced on her once last year!  Owner Neil still has one of the Checkered Demon comic books of the perverted Demon!!  He has rebuilt the boat a couple of times since he's owned for at least 20 years, I reckon!  Very competitive for the pickle dishes, and Neil is a terrific sailor and decent bloke all around!

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On 9/17/2007 at 9:23 AM, MangoMan said:

Any sightings of the little Boomerang?

65 foot Derecktor built, got a cruising interior and was renamed Cheetah III, then I think was renamed Dauntless?

I just found your post trying to answer the same question. My father Tom Worrell owned the boat and had the conversion done. I was in my college years and begged him not to sell the boat. I would love to know where she is. I had some great sails on that boat. I so badly hope to one day own a 50+ Ketch or sloop. For now I just dream and remember the good old days. This is the first mention of the boat I’ve ever seen or found. Take care.

 

Best,

-zack worrell

www.monolithknives.com

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14 minutes ago, zmastablasta said:

I just found your post trying to answer the same question. My father Tom Worrell owned the boat and had the conversion done. I was in my college years and begged him not to sell the boat. I would love to know where she is. I had some great sails on that boat. I so badly hope to one day own a 50+ Ketch or sloop. For now I just dream and remember the good old days. This is the first mention of the boat I’ve ever seen or found. Take care.

 

Best,

-zack worrell

www.monolithknives.com

Really cool website and products !....other than a bunch of proud Virginians ....nowhere does the www say where you are ...and is it open to the public ?

Found it with a little digging...

 

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17 minutes ago, SailBlueH2O said:

Really cool website and products !....other than a bunch of proud Virginians ....nowhere does the www say where you are ...and is it open to the public ?

Found it with a little digging...

 

Thanks. Being in Charlottesville I’m a bit too far from the water to own a big boat. I keep a picture of that 65 maxi, Boomerang/Cheetah III right over my knife grinder where I took a sharpie and wrote over it, “ dreams”. Best time of my life was spent on that boat  

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I've a sister and brother in law in C'ville both UVA grads and have lived there since early 70's, he just retired from his law practice in town. They live in Earlysville ,I sent my sis your info as I think her husband Larry would be interested in checking out your work and studio. Beautiful knives !

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It’s a small town. I’m sure we know each other. My family are all Wahhos except me. Thanks again for the kind words. 

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16 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Si or no?

Not for 39K obviously.  It’s been thrashed. 

What’s up with all the rivets running 2/3 up the front of the mast?

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1983/nelson-marek-36-2802910/

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Ah the good ship Tinder Box.  Funny the ad calls out the 1984 Lipton Cup.  We almost won-DSQ for some reason or another cost us.  Dont rememebet the details.

Was built by a contractor in his shop on Laguna Canyon.  Beautiful and very fast when new.

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Fasteners up the front will be securing internal stiffeners, a common method to get a stiff lower section without ending up with a heavy/stiff  top section. 

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3 hours ago, some dude said:

Ah the good ship Tinder Box.  Funny the ad calls out the 1984 Lipton Cup.  We almost won-DSQ for some reason or another cost us.  Dont rememebet the details.

Was built by a contractor in his shop on Laguna Canyon.  Beautiful and very fast when new.

Great name for a woody.

Broker says it’s still raced regularly.  It looked abandoned.  Hatch cover literally looks like they pulled a piece of driftwood out of the water.  

But yeah.  Cool boat.

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Just now, kinardly said:

My first reaction was it was Rush. Same design?

Marek.

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I meant same design, not same designer. The Bruces have done a lot of great boats but I remember Rush out for a sea trial when it was first launched. Looked a lot like this one. 

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Just now, kinardly said:

I meant same design, not same designer. The Bruces have done a lot of great boats but I remember Rush out for a sea trial when it was first launched. Looked a lot like this one. 

No clue, sorry.

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On 2/18/2019 at 8:13 PM, zmastablasta said:

Thanks. Being in Charlottesville I’m a bit too far from the water to own a big boat. I keep a picture of that 65 maxi, Boomerang/Cheetah III right over my knife grinder where I took a sharpie and wrote over it, “ dreams”. Best time of my life was spent on that boat  

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A shame almost all your field and folding knives are sold out, or have no price information available. 

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2 hours ago, kinardly said:

I meant same design, not same designer. The Bruces have done a lot of great boats but I remember Rush out for a sea trial when it was first launched. Looked a lot like this one. 

Agree, sure looks the same.  Rush was for sale in the classifieds here about a year ago...don't know the current status.  

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3 hours ago, kinardly said:

I meant same design, not same designer. The Bruces have done a lot of great boats but I remember Rush out for a sea trial when it was first launched. Looked a lot like this one. 

Couple years later.  There was a sister (but frac rigged) put of San Diego called Crackerjack 

Tinder Box was beautiful when new.  Haven't been on board in 30 years, but I do know it sat on the hard in front of a broker's in Long Beach for a long time in the 90s at one point.

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On 2/18/2019 at 3:13 PM, zmastablasta said:

Thanks. Being in Charlottesville I’m a bit too far from the water to own a big boat. I keep a picture of that 65 maxi, Boomerang/Cheetah III right over my knife grinder where I took a sharpie and wrote over it, “ dreams”. Best time of my life was spent on that boat  

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I have a pic of 65' Boomerang in my office at work.  It was taken a year or two before I joined the boat in '81 or '82, as it did not yet have the Scott Kauffman re-designed transom modification.  In '82 I had Polo crew shirts made for Block Island Race Week that said "BI Week", which caused quite a stir with the bisexual connotation that some read into that! LOL!!

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Amazing Grace. Hazy memories of serious parties with those good guys in Lauderdale during the 1986 SORC.

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That's good to see - Grace was looking pretty sad a few years ago.

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Was AMAZING GRACE a C&C Custom?????

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38 minutes ago, FINS said:

Was AMAZING GRACE a C&C Custom?????

Yes,  a 45 or 46, I can't recall which, but she would have been the big boat on the team.

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21 hours ago, some dude said:

Couple years later.  There was a sister (but frac rigged) put of San Diego called Crackerjack 

Tinder Box was beautiful when new.  Haven't been on board in 30 years, but I do know it sat on the hard in front of a broker's in Long Beach for a long time in the 90s at one point.

Wasn't Crackerjack the first Jim Bets aluminum boat? I think the owners previously commissioned and raced Blivit and then Crackerjack, with Dr. Mike Bush (Chris' dad) joining the partnership. I can't remember the other names, I want to say one was Reighlly, but the distinctive thing about them was they were just basic down to earth guys who pooled their money for a modestly sized boat and then went out and kicked a lot of San Diego YC Brahmin ass. 

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34 minutes ago, 12 metre said:

Yes,  a 45 or 46, I can't recall which, but she would have been the big boat on the team.

Amazing Grace was a C&C 45ft design and the big boat in the 1981 and 1983 Canadian Admirals Cup Team. The 1981 official guide states the hull colour was Blue but the 1983 guide says maroon. Her IOR rating was 34.4

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1 hour ago, kinardly said:

Wasn't Crackerjack the first Jim Bets aluminum boat? I think the owners previously commissioned and raced Blivit and then Crackerjack, with Dr. Mike Bush (Chris' dad) joining the partnership. I can't remember the other names, I want to say one was Reighlly, but the distinctive thing about them was they were just basic down to earth guys who pooled their money for a modestly sized boat and then went out and kicked a lot of San Diego YC Brahmin ass. 

Sounds right.  DC drove in that Lipton Cup in 84 or so.  Was white, with a big frac, same hull as Tinder Box and yes I think Dr. Busch was part owner.

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11 hours ago, P_Wop said:

Amazing Grace. Hazy memories of serious parties with those good guys in Lauderdale during the 1986 SORC.

I had not thought of Lauderdale in a long time!   Staying in a flop house of an apartment roughly half way between the Lauderdale YC and South Port Raw Bar during the East coast events.   The "crew vehicle" was a rusted out 70s Ford station wagon that the "O" had picked up in Fort Lauderdale for less than $500.     We had installed plywood cutouts to fit on the foot wells to keep your feet inside of the car.   I think we just left it parked on the side of the road with the keys in the ignition when we loaded up for the Nassau race.

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That's what I used to do with my $100 parts chasers when they died. I'd park in a rush hour zone and take the plates - that way it was gone by 6 AM.

BAD CITIZEN!

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I was standing up on the bridge of a 637 class nuke back in March of 1981 at Port Everglades watching the sailboats arrive back in port one afternoon after an offshore race.  This one caught my eye:   

 

Amazing Grace @ Lauderdale.jpg

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20 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

That's what I used to do with my $100 parts chasers when they died. I'd park in a rush hour zone and take the plates - that way it was gone by 6 AM.

BAD CITIZEN!

No, this is just catch and release.

GOOD RECYCLING CITIZEN!

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On ‎3‎/‎12‎/‎2019 at 12:25 PM, southerncross said:

Broker says it’s still raced regularly.  It looked abandoned.  Hatch cover literally looks like they pulled a piece of driftwood out of the water.  

But yeah.  Cool boat.

It was in the slip next door (MdR) when I was prepping my boat for a ride on a truck in 2015.

It looked pretty rough at that time - structurally, nothing obvious wrong, but lots of deferred TLC (missing hardware, wood areas in visible need of repair, etc)

Was owned at the time by an MdR broker (apparently still is). 

It's not clear (to me) whether he's actually trying to sell it, or just wants someone to chip in $1k/month for some time-sharing.

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3 hours ago, Pointy End said:

I was standing up on the bridge of a 637 class nuke back in March of 1981 at Port Everglades watching the sailboats arrive back in port one afternoon after an offshore race.  This one caught my eye:   

 

Amazing Grace @ Lauderdale.jpg

As a teenager I idolized that boat in Toronto.  Then in 1992, I was in a fish and chips shoppe  in Rye, Victoria (a small town near the mouth of Port Phillip Bay, Aus), and there she was, a beautiful huge picture of Grace on the wall.  I couldn't believe it - the kids working there had no idea how the picture got there.  Cool though.

Great to see she's still sailing!

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On 3/13/2019 at 1:01 PM, Yachtbum said:

Amazing Grace is in North Vancouver looking very nice indeed. 

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Did Admiral's Cup on the Canadian team w/ Pachena, Amazing Grace was on the team and that dog could not hunt!

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On 3/13/2019 at 1:01 PM, Yachtbum said:

Amazing Grace is in North Vancouver looking very nice indeed. 

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Raced on Gracie when it came to Vancouver. A couple of years of fun. A monster upwind in some decent breeze. Dig a huge hole downwind in anything over 20 when it was up to speed. 25 knots and up? It was downright scary! In a broach or wipeout, all you could do is hang on and pray. Hope not to break shit; particularly yourself or the crew. Funny story: Doing a winter race and it was getting up there in windspeed. The driver was known to sail the boat very low. Almost by the lee. Probably doing 10 or 11 knots BS and on the wrong gybe as we are running of real estate as Stanely Park was in the way. I said we have to gybe and  I hope we don't broach. A newbie/younger sailor said: "what's a broach?" That was about the time we are coming into the valley of doom and went into a full-on Chinese gybe. The young guy in the cockpit got completely firehosed right out of his cruiser suit up to his head. We started to recover but the poor guy was completely wide-eyed from shock. Then with water dripping on his nose I said: "Tony - THAT was a broach! Ever since we dubbed him Tony Snorkelson! Too funny. I think he moved to Saskatchewan shortly afterward.

Wonder if Gracie still has the mainsail halyard ball/lock anymore? An adventure on to its self!         

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On 3/13/2019 at 3:35 PM, kinardly said:

Wasn't Crackerjack the first Jim Bets aluminum boat?

The half-model of Crackerjack is on the office hallway wall at Betts Boats.

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On 3/15/2019 at 7:30 AM, zenmasterfred said:

Did Admiral's Cup on the Canadian team w/ Pachena, Amazing Grace was on the team and that dog could not hunt!

You know you have a slow boat when half eaten cans of dog food keep appearing on the bow.

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12 minutes ago, savoir said:

You know you have a slow boat when half eaten cans of dog food keep appearing on the bow.

LMFAO

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44 minutes ago, savoir said:

You know you have a slow boat when half eaten cans of dog food keep appearing on the bow.

Like the Ron Holland maxi Sassy, aka Lassie. "Can't fetch. Can't run."

But it was bloody good at digging holes.

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Bob Derektor designed and built, prior to the more square Scott Kauffman transom refurb.

 

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6 hours ago, billy backstay said:

Bob Derektor designed and built, prior to the more square Scott Kauffman transom refurb.

 

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Loved that Line 7 gear!!!

 

 

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34 minutes ago, Matt DI said:

Loved that Line 7 gear!!!

 

It was fine for the time, until Gortex came along.  Before my arrival into that program in '82, Steve Lirakis had been a regular Crew Member, so of course, my Owners CEO of the boating program had bought lots of Likaris harnesses and tethers for offshofore racing. George Coumantaros was a great owner and overall boss!

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  Did you know Paul Skopos/(Skokos?)  said he ran the small boomer for a while.

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4 hours ago, Matt DI said:

Loved that Line 7 gear!!!

Nothing like the stink of vinyl in the morning.

And it was always a good place to stow a spare sail tie around your middle to stop the smock blowing over your head.  

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10 hours ago, longy said:

  Did you know Paul Skopos/(Skokos?)  said he ran the small boomer for a while.

 

I don't remember his name but I handed the boat of to a Greek guy, could have been Paul something?  The boat was no longer racing, just sitting for sale on a canal near the 17th St Fisheries restaurant. I wanted off, so I could join the new Frers 80 for the delivery from BDA to Hawaii, and the '84 Clipper Cup, which we won, IIRC?  I cracked a bone in my wrist on the 2nd to last race, and then I went back to CT, to start a new career in Real Estate, and a wife and kids, and I didn't set foot on a race boat for 10 years, until 95, when Bill Alcott from Detroit, who I had "met" on the Compuserve Sailing Forum, invited me to crew on "Equation", his Reichel Pugh 50 at Block Island Race Week.  That was when he had a bunch of crew from Bill Kochs America3 A-Cup team.

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