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Gunther Cunningham, Defensive Coordinator/asst. coach

 

27 years of NFL coaching.

 

Thoughts on him from the NFL...

The answers were all basically the same.

 

"He's half-crazy,'' said one defensive coordinator in the league. "Good coach, but he's half-crazy. Very, very intense.''

 

"Explosive,'' said an assistant coach. "He doesn't tolerate anybody stepping out of line. Those players will learn very quickly that they can't test him.''

 

"They had a terrible defense in Kansas City but you can't always put that on the coach. They obviously had some other issues over there,'' said another assistant coach. "He's got a pretty good track record. He's a high intensity guy.''

 

"For a coach who didn't have a history with him, (Cunningham) might be a problem because of his personality,'' said an NFL scout. "But Schwartz has worked with him, so he'll know what he's getting into. (Cunningham) might be an interesting fit in Detroit -- he'll definitely shake those players up a little bit.''

 

 

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Any bets on next season's record yet?

 

I can tell you the LieDowns record before the season even starts. 0-0.

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I'll get my hat.

 

Does that include preseason?

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Gunther Cunningham, Defensive Coordinator/asst. coach

 

27 years of NFL coaching.

 

Gun's a great coach. They just kept taking his horses away from him here in KC and expecting him to put together a decent defense. Think he works better if he's up in the booth during the games though. On the field he tends to throw stuff.

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Gunther Cunningham, Defensive Coordinator/asst. coach

 

27 years of NFL coaching.

 

Gun's a great coach. They just kept taking his horses away from him here in KC and expecting him to put together a decent defense. Think he works better if he's up in the booth during the games though. On the field he tends to throw stuff.

 

 

I've heard he's half crazy....

 

Lions also hired the Broncos DC as a secondary coach.... WOW, hire coaches that are over qualified!!! WHAT A CONCEPT!!!

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Gunther Cunningham, Defensive Coordinator/asst. coach

 

27 years of NFL coaching.

 

Gun's a great coach. They just kept taking his horses away from him here in KC and expecting him to put together a decent defense. Think he works better if he's up in the booth during the games though. On the field he tends to throw stuff.

 

 

I've heard he's half crazy....

 

Lions also hired the Broncos DC as a secondary coach.... WOW, hire coaches that are over qualified!!! WHAT A CONCEPT!!!

Just like the Bears, eh?

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Gunther Cunningham, Defensive Coordinator/asst. coach

 

27 years of NFL coaching.

 

Gun's a great coach. They just kept taking his horses away from him here in KC and expecting him to put together a decent defense. Think he works better if he's up in the booth during the games though. On the field he tends to throw stuff.

 

 

I've heard he's half crazy....

 

Lions also hired the Broncos DC as a secondary coach.... WOW, hire coaches that are over qualified!!! WHAT A CONCEPT!!!

Just like the Bears, eh?

 

Not quite. The Bears draft players who are qualified too...

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Gunther Cunningham, Defensive Coordinator/asst. coach

 

27 years of NFL coaching.

 

Gun's a great coach. They just kept taking his horses away from him here in KC and expecting him to put together a decent defense. Think he works better if he's up in the booth during the games though. On the field he tends to throw stuff.

 

 

I've heard he's half crazy....

 

Lions also hired the Broncos DC as a secondary coach.... WOW, hire coaches that are over qualified!!! WHAT A CONCEPT!!!

Just like the Bears, eh?

 

Not quite. The Bears draft players who are qualified too...

 

Yeah, allstars like cedric benson.

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Gunther Cunningham, Defensive Coordinator/asst. coach

 

27 years of NFL coaching.

 

Gun's a great coach. They just kept taking his horses away from him here in KC and expecting him to put together a decent defense. Think he works better if he's up in the booth during the games though. On the field he tends to throw stuff.

 

 

I've heard he's half crazy....

 

Lions also hired the Broncos DC as a secondary coach.... WOW, hire coaches that are over qualified!!! WHAT A CONCEPT!!!

Just like the Bears, eh?

 

Not quite. The Bears draft players who are qualified too...

 

Yeah, allstars like cedric benson.

 

Ok, let's go down that path, rounds 1-3 2002-2007

 

2002 - Joey Harrington, Kalimba Edwards, Andre Goodman

2003 - Charles Rodgers, Boss Bailey, Cory Redding

2004 - Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, Teddy Lehman, Keith Smith

2005- Mike Williams, Shaun Cody, Stanley Wilson

2006 - Ernie Sims, Daniel Bullocks, Brian Calhoun

2007 - Calvin Johnson, Drew Stanton, Ikaika Alama-Francis, Gerald Alexander

 

Roy Williams did make one pro bowl, he is with Dallas now. Out of those 20 players, 9? are still will the team. Outside of Calvin Johnson, none are pro bowl potential, and far less could start for another team. Ernie Sims might be if he figures out his game again, but he was not very effective last year.

 

All teams miss with picks, but good teams build their core with those 1-3 round picks, Rummy. Vince Lombardi couldn't win with the talent level on the Lions, they simply don't have the level of players that can change a game or deliver in the clutch. Which is all the more damning on Millen, because of the high draft picks they have had. It will take a competent GM and personnel staff years to reverse that, plus some luck.

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Gunther Cunningham, Defensive Coordinator/asst. coach

 

27 years of NFL coaching.

 

Gun's a great coach. They just kept taking his horses away from him here in KC and expecting him to put together a decent defense. Think he works better if he's up in the booth during the games though. On the field he tends to throw stuff.

 

 

I've heard he's half crazy....

 

Lions also hired the Broncos DC as a secondary coach.... WOW, hire coaches that are over qualified!!! WHAT A CONCEPT!!!

Just like the Bears, eh?

 

Not quite. The Bears draft players who are qualified too...

 

Yeah, allstars like cedric benson.

 

Ok, let's go down that path, rounds 1-3 2002-2007

 

2002 - Joey Harrington, Kalimba Edwards, Andre Goodman

2003 - Charles Rodgers, Boss Bailey, Cory Redding

2004 - Roy Williams, Kevin Jones, Teddy Lehman, Keith Smith

2005- Mike Williams, Shaun Cody, Stanley Wilson

2006 - Ernie Sims, Daniel Bullocks, Brian Calhoun

2007 - Calvin Johnson, Drew Stanton, Ikaika Alama-Francis, Gerald Alexander

 

Roy Williams did make one pro bowl, he is with Dallas now. Out of those 20 players, 9? are still will the team. Outside of Calvin Johnson, none are pro bowl potential, and far less could start for another team. Ernie Sims might be if he figures out his game again, but he was not very effective last year.

 

All teams miss with picks, but good teams build their core with those 1-3 round picks, Rummy. Vince Lombardi couldn't win with the talent level on the Lions, they simply don't have the level of players that can change a game or deliver in the clutch. Which is all the more damning on Millen, because of the high draft picks they have had. It will take a competent GM and personnel staff years to reverse that, plus some luck.

 

 

:huh: WTF does that have to do with the bear's picks? You'd think you would be able to stay on your own topic.

 

2001

1 8 8 David Terrell WR Michigan

2 7 38 Anthony Thomas RB Michigan

3 6 68 Mike Gandy OG Notre Dame

2002

1 29 29 Mark Colombo OT Boston College

3 7 72 Roosevelt Williams CB Tuskegee

3 28 93 Terrance Metcalf OG Mississippi

2003

1 14 14 Michael Haynes DE Penn State

1 22 22 Rex Grossman QB Florida

2 3 35 Charles Tillman CB Louisiana-Lafayette

2004

1 14 14 Tommie Harris DT Oklahoma

2 15 47 Terry Johnson DT Washington

3 15 78 Bernard Berrian WR Fresno State

2005

1 4 4 Cedric Benson RB Texas

2 7 39 Mark Bradley WR Oklahoma

4 5 106 Kyle Orton QB Purdue

2006

2 10 42 Danieal Manning S Abilene Christian

2 25 57 Devin Hester WR Miami

3 9 73 Dusty Dvoracek DT Oklahoma

2007

1 31 31 Greg Olsen TE Miami

2 30 62 Dan Bazuin DE Central Michigan

3 30 93 Garrett Wolfe RB Northern Illinois

 

 

 

Starters in red. WOO WOO real stellar drafting.... (of course, against Millen's pick, any team has stellar drafting skills)

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Scott Linehan Offensive Coordinator...

 

The Detroit Lions have confirmed an ESPN report that former St. Louis Rams head coach Scott Linehan will be the team's new offensive coordinator.

 

Linehan, 45, spent the last 2 1/2 seasons as the Rams' head coach but was fired in mid-season last year and was replaced by Jim Haslett.

 

 

Prior to that, Linehan spent four years in the NFL as an offensive coordinator, three with the Vikings (2002-04) and one season with the Dolphins (2005).

 

 

Looks like they're thinking about keeping Culpepper.

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TAMPA, Fla. – Sean McHugh had just bought his family's first house in suburban Detroit.

 

He'd just found out his wife, Ashlee, was pregnant with their second child, a daughter to go along with their then-18-month-son, Jack – though the excitement was tempered due to some early complications with the pregnancy.

 

 

 

 

 

1233101913.jpg McHugh, right, celebrates with Willie Parker.

(Gene J. Puskar/AP Photos)

The good news was McHugh had just survived final cut day with the Detroit Lions, meaning he was all but assured another year in professional football. He hoped to start at fullback and would play for the league minimum – about $520,000 for his experience level.

 

But just before the first practice in September, he was summoned to the office of team president Matt Millen. He knew the drill.

 

"When they come get you and Matt wants to talk to you, it's never a good thing," McHugh said. "You just have a sinking feeling. You walk through the locker room, up a flight of stairs and you just think, 'What the heck is going on?' "

 

What was going on was that he got cut, fired, laid off by Detroit. The team had signed someone else and to make room, McHugh was out.

 

Just like that, Sean McHugh was deemed not good enough to play for the lowly Lions, who would go winless – the first 0-16 season in league history.

 

If you're not good enough to play for the worst team ever, who exactly are you good enough to play for?

 

"What are we going to do?" he thought.

 

How about play in the Super Bowl?

 

Within days of Detroit cutting him, he unexpectedly signed with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Four months later he finds himself here preparing for a shot at an NFL championship against the Arizona Cardinals.

 

Cut by the worst team, McHugh may wind up part of the best.

 

"That's the thing I'll never understand," he said. "They didn't think I was good enough to be on the worst team in the history of the NFL, but the people here think I'm good enough to help the team out and play in the Super Bowl.

 

"I go from getting cut from the Detroit Lions and thinking life's over and flash-forward and now you're getting ready to play for a Super Bowl."

 

There's never been a story like McHugh's in the NFL because there's never been a team as bad as the Lions this season. This isn't just worst to first, it's worst-ever to first.

 

"You go from the lowest low to the highest high," he smiled.

 

McHugh is a blue-collar guy from outside of Cleveland. He knows how fortunate he is to play a single down in the NFL, let alone parts of four seasons with his current salary. He's hesitant to compare his situation to the estimated 2.6 million Americans who lost their jobs in 2008.

 

He wasn't living check to check. He was pursuing a dream. He gets it.

 

Still, getting fired is getting fired. The fact he's never had more than a one-year deal means he has more in common with the fan in the stands than many of his mega-millionaire teammates.

 

"It's not like I have money set away so I can spend the rest of my life not working," he said. "We've been smart and lived within our means and saved so we have a cushion. But it's a very real possibility that that money is going to run out.

 

"So you think about [money]. You try not to obsess about it because that's life. Everybody deals with that. You look in Detroit; lots of people are out of work going through the same problems."

 

Getting fired hurt for more than economic reasons. Being a football player wasn't just a job, it was an identity. This was humiliating, hurtful, confusing.

 

"One of the hardest things you have to deal with [is] failing and feeling that you're not good enough," he said. "It's a whole series of emotions.

 

"I left all my stuff in my locker. I didn't want any of that stuff any more. I got in the car and called my wife. She was as shocked as I was. I went home. I was mad and complained a little bit."

 

McHugh contemplated his future. Was his career over at 26? Or could he catch on somewhere else? He had a bad ankle so the prospects weren't good. Besides, was bouncing all over best for a young family? McHugh had long thought about becoming a high school coach; was this reality forcing a decision?

 

Ashlee, he said, helped him look at it in a positive way. They had college degrees. They were healthy (the pregnancy has progressed fine). Something would work out.

 

McHugh recalled the advice of former teammate Dan Campbell.

 

"For people who work hard, things always seem to work out," McHugh was told.

 

That night the phone rang. It was McHugh's agent.

 

"Hey, the Steelers want to bring you in and check you out," the agent said.

 

Three days later he was signed for the season. He's been mostly a reserve fullback, making the most of his chances, doing the dirty work of blocking. He's marveled at the culture of success that the Steelers organization has established.

 

"There is an expectation when you become a Pittsburgh Steeler that you're going to win," he said. "And anything less than that is not acceptable. In Detroit it was like you were hoping to win."

 

Only as the season played on, no matter how hard they hoped, Detroit didn't win. Week after week as Pittsburgh experienced success, McHugh's old team dealt with failure. He looked on with mixed emotions. He had friends on the team. He liked the coaches.

 

Then again, this was a franchise that dumped him. He experienced schadenfreude.

 

"Oh, yeah," he smiled. "You're sitting there in warm-ups and you look at the scoreboard and see Detroit's losing. Part of me smiled. I wouldn't personally want those guys to do [badly], but the organization [is different].

 

"It's a little I told-you-so deal. It's a little satisfaction."

 

It's a little bit of redemption, a little bit of success in the face of distress; a little bit about remembering that what appears to be the worst thing can turn out to be the best.

 

"A door closed," McHugh said, "and a world opened."

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Why is it that teams that suck change their uniforms and logos so frequently?.

 

 

You mean like the Broncos, Patriots, or Bucs?.....hmmmm :rolleyes:

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Why is it that teams that suck change their uniforms and logos so frequently?.

 

 

You mean like the Broncos, Patriots, or Bucs?.....hmmmm :rolleyes:

 

No, those teams have all done pretty well. You know, playoffs, Super Bowls. No, never mind.

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Why is it that teams that suck change their uniforms and logos so frequently?.

 

 

You mean like the Broncos, Patriots, or Bucs?.....hmmmm :rolleyes:

 

No, those teams have all done pretty well. You know, playoffs, Super Bowls. No, never mind.

 

 

You missed the point where those teams won superbowls right after their logos changed.... I guess I expected too much from you though. A lame point, sure... but not as lame as your original comment.

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Why is it that teams that suck change their uniforms and logos so frequently?.

 

 

You mean like the Broncos, Patriots, or Bucs?.....hmmmm :rolleyes:

 

No, those teams have all done pretty well. You know, playoffs, Super Bowls. No, never mind.

 

 

 

You missed the point where those teams won superbowls right after their logos changed.... I guess I expected too much from you though. A lame point, sure... but not as lame as your original comment.

 

As lame as your 10-6 prediction last year?.

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Why is it that teams that suck change their uniforms and logos so frequently?.

 

 

You mean like the Broncos, Patriots, or Bucs?.....hmmmm :rolleyes:

 

No, those teams have all done pretty well. You know, playoffs, Super Bowls. No, never mind.

 

 

 

You missed the point where those teams won superbowls right after their logos changed.... I guess I expected too much from you though. A lame point, sure... but not as lame as your original comment.

 

As lame as your 10-6 prediction last year?.

 

I also predicted they'd get Jerod Mayo in the draft....just admit it, your analogy sucked.

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NBC might want to trot Matt Millen out in front of the cameras like nothing ever happened, but WDIV, NBC's affiliate in Detroit, isn't about to forgive or forget what he did to the Lions. From the Detroit Free Press:

 

Every time a certain familiar face showed up on camera Sunday during NBC's Super Bowl pregame show, Channel 4 ran a scroll at the bottom of the screen:

 

"Matt Millen was president of the Lions for the worst eight-year run in the history of the NFL. Knowing his history with the team, is there a credibility issue as he now serves as an analyst for NBC Sports?"

 

Ah, if only the NFL was like professional wrestling. Matt Millen could put on a mask, get a new set of tights, and just like that, have a whole new identity. "Hi, I'm Bob Costas, alongside Jerome Bettis and The Masked Franchise Destroyer ... "

 

He will forever be Matt Millen, though, and the name Matt Millen will forever be synonymous with losing. I've written about this before, and I don't think that being an absolute train wreck of a general manager means that Matt Millen couldn't also be a good analyst.

 

At the same time, of course, I also couldn't blame anyone in Detroit if they held a grudge against Millen for the next, oh, 1,000 years or so. I'll readily admit that if he did that kind of a hatchet job on my favorite team, I'd have no interest in ever hearing any ignorant word that ever came out of his mouth.

 

Outstanding work, Channel 4. I think this is something we can expand and use in all sports, on all networks. When Tony Kornheiser starts talking on Monday nights, we can have a scrolling warning that reads, "CAUTION: In two years of work here, this man has never said anything that has added any value whatsoever to a broadcast, and we seriously doubt that he's going to start now."

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I also predicted they'd get Jerod Mayo in the draft....just admit it, your analogy sucked.

 

Rummy, we're going to stage an intervention for you at the NOODS this year. We respect your enthusiasm for Detroit sports, hopefully there will be hockey games being played in Detroit at that point and we can reprogram you to forget the Lions. It will be like therapy, not unlike a person who is suppressing memories of abuse, we will rid you of these Lions issues :lol: :lol:

 

In the words of Tony "Duke" Evers (Apollo Creed's trainer) "Let it go, let it go"

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I also predicted they'd get Jerod Mayo in the draft....just admit it, your analogy sucked.

 

Rummy, we're going to stage an intervention for you at the NOODS this year. We respect your enthusiasm for Detroit sports, hopefully there will be hockey games being played in Detroit at that point and we can reprogram you to forget the Lions. It will be like therapy, not unlike a person who is suppressing memories of abuse, we will rid you of these Lions issues :lol::lol:

 

In the words of Tony "Duke" Evers (Apollo Creed's trainer) "Let it go, let it go"

 

Won't be able to make the NOODS this year...wish I could... I have a new kid(Lion's fan) arriving a week or so before the event. So you express guys will just have to trailer up north to give me that intervention. ;)

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I also predicted they'd get Jerod Mayo in the draft....just admit it, your analogy sucked.

 

Rummy, we're going to stage an intervention for you at the NOODS this year. We respect your enthusiasm for Detroit sports, hopefully there will be hockey games being played in Detroit at that point and we can reprogram you to forget the Lions. It will be like therapy, not unlike a person who is suppressing memories of abuse, we will rid you of these Lions issues :lol::lol:

 

In the words of Tony "Duke" Evers (Apollo Creed's trainer) "Let it go, let it go"

 

Won't be able to make the NOODS this year...wish I could... I have a new kid(Lion's fan) arriving a week or so before the event. So you express guys will just have to trailer up north to give me that intervention. ;)

 

 

Poor kid doesn't even have a chance

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I also predicted they'd get Jerod Mayo in the draft....just admit it, your analogy sucked.

 

Rummy, we're going to stage an intervention for you at the NOODS this year. We respect your enthusiasm for Detroit sports, hopefully there will be hockey games being played in Detroit at that point and we can reprogram you to forget the Lions. It will be like therapy, not unlike a person who is suppressing memories of abuse, we will rid you of these Lions issues :lol::lol:

 

In the words of Tony "Duke" Evers (Apollo Creed's trainer) "Let it go, let it go"

 

 

Won't be able to make the NOODS this year...wish I could... I have a new kid(Lion's fan) arriving a week or so before the event. So you express guys will just have to trailer up north to give me that intervention. ;)

 

 

Poor kid doesn't even have a chance

 

We could pitch in and buy the kid an OWEN 16 jersey. Maybe offset some of that Rummy karma.

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I also predicted they'd get Jerod Mayo in the draft....just admit it, your analogy sucked.

 

Rummy, we're going to stage an intervention for you at the NOODS this year. We respect your enthusiasm for Detroit sports, hopefully there will be hockey games being played in Detroit at that point and we can reprogram you to forget the Lions. It will be like therapy, not unlike a person who is suppressing memories of abuse, we will rid you of these Lions issues :lol::lol:

 

In the words of Tony "Duke" Evers (Apollo Creed's trainer) "Let it go, let it go"

 

Won't be able to make the NOODS this year...wish I could... I have a new kid(Lion's fan) arriving a week or so before the event. So you express guys will just have to trailer up north to give me that intervention. ;)

 

 

Poor kid doesn't even have a chance

 

Oh and congrats on multiplying

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Why is it that teams that suck change their uniforms and logos so frequently?.

 

 

You mean like the Broncos, Patriots, or Bucs?.....hmmmm :rolleyes:

 

Broncos Suck regardless..........

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Detroit sports fans might be interested, but not terribly surprised, to find out that the odds of the Lions winning the 2010 NFL championship are set at 150-1. That’s good for dead last, or 32nd out of as many NFL teams.

 

 

Here are the odds:

 

New England Patriots 6-1

Pittsburgh Steelers 7-1

New York Giants 8-1

Indianapolis Colts 8-1

Dallas Cowboys 9-1

Baltimore Ravens 11-1

Carolina Panthers 12-1

Philadelphia Eagles 12-1

Tennessee Titans 12-1

San Diego Chargers 14-1

Arizona Cardinals 15-1

Atlanta Falcons 16-1

New Orleans Saints 18-1

Green Bay Packers 20-1

Minnesota Vikings 22-1

Miami Dolphins 25-1

Washington Redskins 25-1

New York Jets 28-1

Chicago Bears 28-1

Jacksonville Jaguars 30-1

Tampa Bay Buccaneers 35-1

Denver Broncos 35-1

Houston Texans 40-1

San Francisco 49ers 40-1

Buffalo Bills 50-1

Seattle Seahawks 60-1

Cleveland Browns 60-1

Cincinnati Bengals 75-1

St. Louis Rams 100-1

Kansas City Chiefs 100-1

Oakland Raiders 100-1

Detroit Lions 150-1

 

 

 

There we go. Buy your season tickets now!(it's the only way you'll get to see good teams play in Detroit).

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> MUSLIM QUARTERBACK

> The coach had put together the perfect team for the

Detroit Lions.

> The only thing that was missing was a good quarterback. He

had scouted

> all the colleges and even the Canadian and European

Leagues, but he

> couldn't find a ringer who could ensure a Super Bowl win.

 

> Then one night while watching CNN he saw a war-zone scene

in

> Afghanistan. In one corner of the background, he spotted a

young

> Afghan Muslim soldier with a truly incredible arm. He

threw a hand-

> grenade straight into a 15th story window 100 yards away.

>

>

>

> KABOOM!

>

>

>

> He threw another hand-grenade 75 yards away, right into a

chimney.

>

>

>

> KA-BLOOEY!

>

>

>

> Then he threw another at a passing car going 90 mph.

>

>

>

> BULLS-EYE!

>

>

>

> "I've got to get this guy!" Coach said to himself. "He has

the

> perfect arm!"

>

>

>

> So, he brings him to the States and teaches him the great

game of

> football. And the Lions go on to win the Super Bowl. The

young

> Afghan is hailed as the great hero of football, and when

the coach

> asks him what he wants, all the young man wants is to call

his mother.

>

>

>

> "Mom," he says into the phone, "I just won the Super

Bowl!"

>

>

>

> "I don't want to talk to you, the old Muslim woman says.

"You

> deserted us. You are not my son!"

>

>

>

> "I don't think you understand, Mother," the young man

pleads "I've

> won the greatest sporting event in the world. I'm here

among

> thousands of my adoring fans."

>

>

>

> "No! Let me tell you!" his mother retorts. "At this very

moment,

> there are gunshots all around us. The neighborhood is a

pile of

> rubble. Your two brothers were beaten within an inch of

their lives

> last week, and I have to keep your sister in the house so

she

> doesn't get raped!" The old lady pauses, and then

tearfully says,

>

>

>

> "I will never forgive you for making us move to Detroit!"

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NFL DRAFT: MATTHEW STAFFORD

Stafford undaunted by past Lions’ QB woes

If Detroit drafts former Georgia Bulldog, he could be a fitting end to the Bobby Layne curse

 

By Nicholas J. Cotsonika

 

Detroit Free Press

 

Thursday, February 19, 2009

 

Detroit — Matthew Stafford knows what it would mean if the Lions draft him first overall April 25. He knows about Bobby Layne.

 

And he is undaunted.

 

 

Associated Press

‘I’d love to have the opportunity to be a Lion,’ former UGA quarterback Matthew Stafford says.

If drafted, will Stafford end Detroit's Bobby Layne curse?

Yes. He'll turn the Lions around.

No. The Lions are hopeless.

 

 

“I know about the curse,” Stafford said Tuesday in a phone interview from Phoenix, where he has been training since leaving Georgia after his junior season. “I know he went to my high school. I know it all, man.

 

“It’s crazy. It really is weird to think about. It’s kind of a cool irony, I guess, that it could happen.”

 

Layne led the Lions during their glory years in the 1950s. But they traded him to Pittsburgh in ‘58, and he supposedly said they wouldn’t win for 50 years. They have had one playoff victory and one Pro Bowl quarterback since.

 

Now, 51 years later, the Lions are coming off the NFL’s first 0-16 season. Before he was even hired, their new coach, Jim Schwartz, cracked in a news conference: “It’s probably time to find a replacement for Bobby Layne.”

 

And here comes Stafford, who went to Dallas’ Highland Park High, the alma mater of Layne and Doak Walker, another Lions Hall of Famer from the 1950s.

 

Many mock drafts have Stafford going to Detroit first overall. It isn’t because of the Layne thing. It’s because analysts rank Stafford as the best quarterback available and the Lions need a QB for the future.

 

Still, doesn’t it seem like destiny?

 

“I don’t know if it’s destiny, but I’d love to have the opportunity to be a Lion, for sure,” Stafford said. “I think it’s a great opportunity for me. It could work out in the end, for sure.”

 

The Lions have already called. While Stafford and Lions general manager Martin Mayhew were in Tampa for Super Bowl XLIII, Mayhew played phone tag with Stafford’s father, trying to find a time when they could meet. They never connected.

 

But they will at the NFL scouting combine in the coming days. Stafford expects to have more than the normal interview with the Lions.

 

“I’m definitely going to try to make as much time as possible for them,” Stafford said.

 

Schwartz said interviewing Stafford will be “a group effort.” It will involve everyone from Mayhew and Schwartz to likely offensive coordinator Scott Linehan and quarterbacks coach Jeff Horton.

 

The Lions must vet potential No. 1 picks carefully. Whomever they choose, he likely will receive around $30 million guaranteed and become a cornerstone of the franchise.

 

“I think when you talk about the slot there and how much money it’s going to take and things like that, yeah, it is a different animal,” Schwartz said. “I’ve said before, we want to make sure we get the right person there, not necessarily lock in to a particular position.”

 

Stafford said he just wants to be honest and be himself.

 

“I want to win and do anything that it takes to get the job done,” he said. “I think in the end the stat that matters for the quarterback the most is the wins and what he can do to help his team around him. That’s the job of a quarterback, and that’s something that I pride myself in being pretty good at.”

 

If money weren’t an issue, would Stafford rather be the No. 1 pick, go to a team like the Lions and deal with the enormous pressure, or would he rather go a little later to an established team with a better chance to succeed?

 

“Truthfully, I’m a competitive person,” Stafford said. “I really do love a challenge, and I would love to have a chance to be the No. 1 pick and coming to Detroit and trying something new.”

 

Former Cowboys personnel executive Gil Brandt, who lives about three blocks from Stafford’s Dallas home, said: “He can handle the pressure, I’ll tell you that. He reminds you a lot of Layne in that he’s not a stiff, rigid guy. He’s just a good guy.”

 

But ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. said Stafford is not a “super elite” prospect, even though he could go No. 1. Kiper praises Stafford’s arm strength but criticizes his inconsistency.

 

Stafford plans to do drills like the 40-yard dash and vertical leap at the combine, but not throw.

 

“I really don’t know how much that’s going to help my stock, to tell you the truth,” Stafford said. “From what I hear, it’s only about 15, 20 throws, and teams never really get to get a good look at how a guy can make NFL throws.

 

“A lot of it’s stationary targets and things like that, and I want people to understand that I can make all the throws when the bullets are flying and guys are running around.”

 

Stafford will throw at Georgia’s pro day March 19. He said if the Lions want a private workout, he would love to throw for them, too.

 

Layne and Walker have memorials honoring them at Highland Park High. Stafford?

 

“No,” he said, laughing. “Not yet

 

 

 

 

I guess I will have to become a Lions fan.

 

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3905701 That is crazy ball velocity, hopefully he will figure out how to put better touch on the ball. Every UGA game he always had to overthrow a receiver who was 60 yards down field, I always felt like he was showing off the golden arm, now he will at least have one receiver who can get down there. Calvin will be the best receiver in the NFL soon. Even last year C. Johnson had great numbers and look who was throwing him the ball, also he was the only guy on the offense who could hurt you and defensive coordinators still could not stop him.

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Doubtful, the Lions just re signed Culpepper and they have four quarterbacks on the roster. My bet would be OLine and/or DLine and Linebacker with the first picks. If they go for a quarterback, it will probably be later in the draft.

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Doubtful, the Lions just re signed Culpepper and they have four quarterbacks on the roster. My bet would be OLine and/or DLine and Linebacker with the first picks. If they go for a quarterback, it will probably be later in the draft.

 

Yep Detroit has 4 quarterbacks, but look who they are! You may be right but I have yet to see a mock draft where he does not go to the Lions.

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Going into the draft they'll be down to 3.... Culpepper, Orlovsky, and Stanton.... Kitna will be gone next week and Henson is practice squad.

 

Cool little tid-bit on Stafford being from the same highschool as Layne.

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Doubtful, the Lions just re signed Culpepper and they have four quarterbacks on the roster. My bet would be OLine and/or DLine and Linebacker with the first picks. If they go for a quarterback, it will probably be later in the draft.

 

Yep Detroit has 4 quarterbacks, but look who they are! You may be right but I have yet to see a mock draft where he does not go to the Lions.

 

I put more faith in the coach and GM's comments to date than mock drafts from sports reporters. There are so many holes, particularly on defense that will get filled first.

 

Orlovsky will be gone, Rummy. No way the Lions will pay him enough to be a backup, and he's looking for a starting gig.

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I would be surprised if they didn't go for Stafford. The Lions seem to have a problem paying number 1 pick money to a lineman. Yes, they've screwed the pooch on the last however many first round picks(save Calvin) but that's not a reason to NOT pick a QB. Is he the next Bobby Layne? Doubtful. But, Culpepper is a mystery and I don't think Stanton is the answer. He can't seem to stay healthy.

 

My only hope is, if they choose to take Stafford or any other QB, that they go line and D with the remainder of their higher picks.

 

That said, if Backus really is moving inside to guard, they may still think line. I just don't think so.

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I would be surprised if they didn't go for Stafford. The Lions seem to have a problem paying number 1 pick money to a lineman. Yes, they've screwed the pooch on the last however many first round picks(save Calvin) but that's not a reason to NOT pick a QB. Is he the next Bobby Layne? Doubtful. But, Culpepper is a mystery and I don't think Stanton is the answer. He can't seem to stay healthy.

 

My only hope is, if they choose to take Stafford or any other QB, that they go line and D with the remainder of their higher picks.

 

That said, if Backus really is moving inside to guard, they may still think line. I just don't think so.

 

 

I hope they draft defense in the first round, Josh Freeman in the second and defense the rest of the way

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Last year most Atlanta fans wanted the Falcons to pick Glen Dorsey with the third pick. The ownership decided we needed a new 'face' of the franchise and they took Matt Ryan instead, and damn am I happy they did. We were picked my most analysts to be the worst team in the NFL and we ended up in the playoffs. I think many GM's saw this and took note. GM's don't have original thoughts. Now many teams are looking at unproven young coaches instead of retreads because of the success of Atlanta, Steelers, Baltimore and the Cards. Its a copy cat league, just look at the wildcat offense.

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I would be surprised if they didn't go for Stafford. The Lions seem to have a problem paying number 1 pick money to a lineman. Yes, they've screwed the pooch on the last however many first round picks(save Calvin) but that's not a reason to NOT pick a QB. Is he the next Bobby Layne? Doubtful. But, Culpepper is a mystery and I don't think Stanton is the answer. He can't seem to stay healthy.

 

My only hope is, if they choose to take Stafford or any other QB, that they go line and D with the remainder of their higher picks.

 

That said, if Backus really is moving inside to guard, they may still think line. I just don't think so.

 

 

I hope they draft defense in the first round, Josh Freeman in the second and defense the rest of the way

 

I wish much the same thing, but I wish a lot of things. I'm just another disappointed Lions watcher(can't call myself a fan right now) whose seen great opportunities squandered again and again. Bobby Layne's probably laughing right now because his curse has outlived even his expectations.

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Last year most Atlanta fans wanted the Falcons to pick Glen Dorsey with the third pick. The ownership decided we needed a new 'face' of the franchise and they took Matt Ryan instead, and damn am I happy they did. We were picked my most analysts to be the worst team in the NFL and we ended up in the playoffs. I think many GM's saw this and took note. GM's don't have original thoughts. Now many teams are looking at unproven young coaches instead of retreads because of the success of Atlanta, Steelers, Baltimore and the Cards. Its a copy cat league, just look at the wildcat offense.

 

And for every Matt Ryan or Flacco, there are ten Vince Youngs, Matt Leinarts, Joey Harringtons, Ryan Leifs, and a lot more. Tom Brady was a late round pick. None of the highly touted qbs available this year have the same "cant miss" tag as Ryan did. Stafford and Sanchez both have question marks I would agree with Chinabald, the Lions have too many holes on defense and O line that need to be filled first. What good is a franchise quarterback if you can't protect him or let him on the field?

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Last year most Atlanta fans wanted the Falcons to pick Glen Dorsey with the third pick. The ownership decided we needed a new 'face' of the franchise and they took Matt Ryan instead, and damn am I happy they did. We were picked my most analysts to be the worst team in the NFL and we ended up in the playoffs. I think many GM's saw this and took note. GM's don't have original thoughts. Now many teams are looking at unproven young coaches instead of retreads because of the success of Atlanta, Steelers, Baltimore and the Cards. Its a copy cat league, just look at the wildcat offense.

 

And for every Matt Ryan or Flacco, there are ten Vince Youngs, Matt Leinarts, Joey Harringtons, Ryan Leifs, and a lot more. Tom Brady was a late round pick. None of the highly touted qbs available this year have the same "cant miss" tag as Ryan did. Stafford and Sanchez both have question marks I would agree with Chinabald, the Lions have too many holes on defense and O line that need to be filled first. What good is a franchise quarterback if you can't protect him or let him on the field?

 

I think you're giving them too much credit. Can you believe, when they were 0-9 they were still talking about how they weren't eliminated from playoff contention yet? Many of the players were speaking as if they were a legitimate team with bona fide NFL players. They still seem to think they're a player or two from contending. I'm with you, I hope they take care of the lines before they go for skilled positions. If not, their new QB should take Cipher's advice to Neo "when you see an agent....run, run your ass off".

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It will take a couple of years of good drafts or signings to get something that resembles protection. Better to have the current crop of stiffs get pummeled than your QB of the future, so this year either draft linemen or defensive players.

 

Chances are pretty good the Lions will draft top 3 next year, so pick the QB then.

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It will take a couple of years of good drafts or signings to get something that resembles protection. Better to have the current crop of stiffs get pummeled than your QB of the future, so this year either draft linemen or defensive players.

 

Chances are pretty good the Lions will draft top 3 next year, so pick the QB then.

 

 

With the 2010 senior QBs, I agree.... But with a different coaching staff and the embarassment of 0-16, I see more like 5-7 wins next year...lol

 

 

Who ever the pick is... we'll know before the draft starts.

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It will take a couple of years of good drafts or signings to get something that resembles protection. Better to have the current crop of stiffs get pummeled than your QB of the future, so this year either draft linemen or defensive players.

 

Chances are pretty good the Lions will draft top 3 next year, so pick the QB then.

 

 

With the 2010 senior QBs, I agree.... But with a different coaching staff and the embarassment of 0-16, I see more like 5-7 wins next year...lol

 

That may be a bit optimistic but, hell, who knows? If the Lions have taught us anything it's that you simply CANNOT predict what they'll do or how they'll perform. That includes drafts. I'll just watch with amusement to see if they blow another one. With their awful track record, they'll probably win just enough games to prevent them from being in a position to take one of the 2010 QB's.

 

 

"I'm a Lions fan and I hate myself"

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It will take a couple of years of good drafts or signings to get something that resembles protection. Better to have the current crop of stiffs get pummeled than your QB of the future, so this year either draft linemen or defensive players.

 

Chances are pretty good the Lions will draft top 3 next year, so pick the QB then.

 

 

With the 2010 senior QBs, I agree.... But with a different coaching staff and the embarassment of 0-16, I see more like 5-7 wins next year...lol

 

That may be a bit optimistic but, hell, who knows? If the Lions have taught us anything it's that you simply CANNOT predict what they'll do or how they'll perform. That includes drafts. I'll just watch with amusement to see if they blow another one. With their awful track record, they'll probably win just enough games to prevent them from being in a position to take one of the 2010 QB's.

 

 

"I'm a Lions fan and I hate myself"

 

"I'm a lions fan, so fuck off" :D

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Hey Rummy, happy Kitna's gone?

 

 

You better believe it!

 

Lets see if they can make a trade for Cutler.

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Hey Rummy, happy Kitna's gone?

 

 

You better believe it!

 

Lets see if they can make a trade for Cutler.

How about Orlovsky? You guys are almost out of QBs.

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Hey Rummy, happy Kitna's gone?

 

 

You better believe it!

 

Lets see if they can make a trade for Cutler.

 

 

0h hell no, wtf do we want your old retread?

 

 

Speaking of the Lions, one of their guys and a Raider are missing off the coast of Clearwater, Florida right now. Took off fishing in a 21 footer yesterday. Doesn't look good..................

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Hey Rummy, happy Kitna's gone?

 

 

You better believe it!

 

Lets see if they can make a trade for Cutler.

How about Orlovsky? You guys are almost out of QBs.

 

 

Orlovsky signed with the Texans. The Lions being out of Qbs isn't necessarily a bad thing....HA!

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Don't worry, they still have the Drews. You'll see, one of them will take them to the promise land.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think I just threw up.

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wow, Bubbles looks alot meaner with stripes. . .is this what they meant by "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic?"

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At least us Lion's fans don't have to worry about this

 

http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-gen...EART-SUPERBOWL/

 

ORLANDO, Florida — Passionate football fans take heed: watching your team lose in the Super Bowl could be hazardous to your health. Researchers have found that overall and circulatory death rates in Los Angeles rose significantly after a crushing defeat for the Rams in the 1980 Super Bowl. Four years later, deaths declined after the city's other team -- the Raiders -- triumphed in the U.S. football championship game.

 

"The emotional stress of loss and/or the intensity of a game played in a high profile rivalry such as the Super Bowl can trigger total and cardiovascular deaths," said Dr. Robert Kloner, a professor of medicine at the University of Southern California, who presented the study at the American College of Cardiology scientific meeting in Orlando.

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Curry's agent attended the mini camp today.... I have my fingers crossed Curry will be the #1.

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Meanwhile......................Jay Cutler will be wearing #6 in Chicago................... :P

 

And Denver has most of Chicago's draft picks. Cutler has talent, but what a whiny bitch. I'd rather have a mediocre qb with heart than a good one with the mentality of a 12 year old. Time will tell...

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Meanwhile......................Jay Cutler will be wearing #6 in Chicago................... :P

 

And Denver has most of Chicago's draft picks. Cutler has talent, but what a whiny bitch. I'd rather have a mediocre qb with heart than a good one with the mentality of a 12 year old. Time will tell...

We had that.................I'm willing to try the whiney bitch.......................

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Meanwhile......................Jay Cutler will be wearing #6 in Chicago................... :P

 

And Denver has most of Chicago's draft picks. Cutler has talent, but what a whiny bitch. I'd rather have a mediocre qb with heart than a good one with the mentality of a 12 year old. Time will tell...

We had that.................I'm willing to try the whiney bitch.......................

 

Cutler is a gamble, hell he could be great for a lot of years. But the Bears gave up a ton to get him. And just think, you have Rod Marinelli now too. I hear Matt Millen is available to lend his expertise. ;)

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Speaking of Millen.

I heard his name was on the short list for replacements for John Madden.

Not that Collinsworth is much better

I think someone is putting LSD in the water cooler at NBC

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I'm liking the posturing by the lions... its not offen you see them pitching.

 

Give me a break Rummy, get your butt out of your face. The lions will draft the QB and he will never be what they hope. Trust me on this. You will call me names and say I'm not a fan and ..... but the lions will blow this as sure as shit. Curry is the proper choice and they never ever do the proper thing.

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I'm liking the posturing by the lions... its not offen you see them pitching.

 

Give me a break Rummy, get your butt out of your face. The lions will draft the QB and he will never be what they hope. Trust me on this. You will call me names and say I'm not a fan and ..... but the lions will blow this as sure as shit. Curry is the proper choice and they never ever do the proper thing.

 

 

 

No complaint there.... I agree that it should be Curry. If Mayhew doesn't come thru with his threats... he's no better than Millen.

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I'm liking the posturing by the lions... its not offen you see them pitching.

 

Give me a break Rummy, get your butt out of your face. The lions will draft the QB and he will never be what they hope. Trust me on this. You will call me names and say I'm not a fan and ..... but the lions will blow this as sure as shit. Curry is the proper choice and they never ever do the proper thing.

 

 

 

No complaint there.... I agree that it should be Curry. If Mayhew doesn't come thru with his threats... he's no better than Millen.

 

A monkey pressing random buttons would be better than Millen. Give Mayhew a chance. As much as I shake my head at the Lion's moves over the years, Mayhew seems to have a plan, and the means to get there. Whether he ultimately can is a whole nother question, but give him the benefit of the doubt.

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All right, I give up. For the team with the worst defense to take Pettigrew at 20 and pass on Maluaga and Lauranitis with the 33rd pick is completely beyond me.

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All right, I give up. For the team with the worst defense to take Pettigrew at 20 and pass on Maluaga and Lauranitis with the 33rd pick is completely beyond me.

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All right, I give up. For the team with the worst defense to take Pettigrew at 20 and pass on Maluaga and Lauranitis with the 33rd pick is completely beyond me.

 

Everybody passed on Rey....some teams twice....must have some skeletons hidden somewhere.

 

Anyway, I was wondering the mind set for Pettigrew and Delmas picks... Here's what Schwartz had to say..... LINKY

 

Seems on the first day of the draft, the Lions picked the best QB, the best TE, and the Best FS in the draft.... They said that position would not trump talent.

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