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Puma Volvo 70 2008 "Under Sail"

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Nice... don't know if I like the red sails but nice nonetheless.

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Looks great to me.

 

Very well branded, like Pirates last time. No one will mix this boat up with another one, nor will anyone fail to know what company is sponsoring it.

 

Really moving in that first shot.

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i like the paint job

 

and its actually a boat in the water, sailing unlike all this ac skirt lifiting

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With PUMA as a sponsor you can bet they will be spending a comensurate amount of money on advertising and marketing the program which should improve sailing's visibility in the overall sports market.

 

I for one am glad to see them participating in the event. The red sails are dynamic and I expect there will be plenty of magazine cover shots with the color contrasts in the tropics.

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With PUMA as a sponsor you can bet they will be spending a comensurate amount of money on advertising and marketing the program which should improve sailing's visibility in the overall sports market.

 

Not in this country.

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Nice... don't know if I like the red sails but nice nonetheless.

Like the Hull, Like the red sails

 

Dont care for the black cat, look wierd. I liked the white cat they had on the old ABN 2, With the stitching it looked really cool, this cat doesn't look like it match's with the rest of the boat.

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I've seen em out in RI Sound from Pt Judith and Narragansett. Hadn't seen them sailing since before late this spring. I sure hope they're doing enough sailing, cause those boys across the pond were sailing through the winter if you believe the press.

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In this photo post-4775-1210537589_thumb.jpgIt seems that they have the lazy sheet of the asymetrical ready for gybing it to the outside. Is this normal for this boats?

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anyone know what time the christening is?

 

 

The boat arrives in Boston today May 11th, and the christening is tomorrow May 12th at the ICA. The actress Salma Hayek will be in attendance at the party.

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The boat arrives in Boston today May 11th, and the christening is tomorrow May 12th at the ICA. The actress Salma Hayek will be in attendance at the party.

 

She is both the godmother and Puma's owner wife (or GF), which, in itself, is good as it shows the owner's commitment to professional sailing (and he is also the owner of Gucci, St Laurent and Christie's amongst others)

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In this photo post-4775-1210537589_thumb.jpgIt seems that they have the lazy sheet of the asymetrical ready for gybing it to the outside. Is this normal for this boats?

 

Yes this is normal for these boats.Coffee grinders in top gear and sheet burning in, its quicker and better gybing. AC boat do it with there A sails in Light airs too.

She's very wide at the stern aye. Better Sheeting angle and fast off the breeze id say.

 

Give me a go

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In this photo post-4775-1210537589_thumb.jpgIt seems that they have the lazy sheet of the asymetrical ready for gybing it to the outside. Is this normal for this boats?

 

 

 

Only time you go inside on most big boats is in very little breeze due to it wrapping on the forestay unless the distance from end of prodder to the forestay is huge as in many multihulls.

Doesn't appear to be any batton on the tack to prevent the lazy falling off the front ?

Great looking boat. Hate to be steering by telltales, would you see them through that sail ....?

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Doesn't appear to be any batton on the tack to prevent the lazy falling off the front ?

 

Looks like little nubs on the sail for holding the lazy sheet

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Looking forward to getting a glimpse of this boat in person. Ken Read should be pleased with such a nice boat!

Pretty sure the owner of Puma is Jochen Zeitz, real nice guy met him at a party.

I think the Puma team will do well, though sounds like they have some catching up to do..

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Can anyone tell me where the boat is lying in Boston and where the ICA is if so I will get some photos and post here!

 

PV

 

Normally they bring it to Rowes Wharf, but might have it at the Fan Pier if its at the ICA. ICA is in Southie. Can't miss it; big huge cantilevered building next to the fan pier.

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Looking forward to getting a glimpse of this boat in person. Ken Read should be pleased with such a nice boat!

Pretty sure the owner of Puma is Jochen Zeitz, real nice guy met him at a party.

I think the Puma team will do well, though sounds like they have some catching up to do..

 

It would make more sense than Pinault owning the boat. He's got more than enough brands to want to promote but not Puma.

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The boat is definitely at the ICA.

 

so anyone have any info about what time the event is tomorrow, whether it is open, etc.?

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Let's see how this American Team does during this VOR. It would be pretty rad for USA to win the VOR, I mean let's face it, the VOR is pretty much the America's Cup of offshore racing. It's not just a competition of of which team has the best sailors, it is a design and technology competition that produces the fastest monohull boats in the world.

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I think the Puma team will do well, though sounds like they have some catching up to do..

 

 

The Puma crew have had a pretty extensive training/selection campaign on the R/P Rambler (ex Alfa Romeo)

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Are there two of these? I saw one at Rowes Wharf on Sat. that looked almost exactly the same except the hull was all red instead of black.

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The all-red one was their previous boat. I know it was used, pretty sure it was ABN AMRO One. They bought it to practice in Narragansett and Massachusetts Bay while their new boat (the black one) was being built down in Newport

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The all-red one was their previous boat. I know it was used, pretty sure it was ABN AMRO One. They bought it to practice in Narragansett and Massachusetts Bay while their new boat (the black one) was being built down in Newport

 

 

ABN AMRO Two

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The all-red one was their previous boat. I know it was used, pretty sure it was ABN AMRO One. They bought it to practice in Narragansett and Massachusetts Bay while their new boat (the black one) was being built down in Newport

 

Close....the red one is x-ABN AMRO 2 (Ericson used ABN AMRO 1 to train) and their new boat was built in Bristol, RI then went by truck to Newport for commissioning.

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I couldn't quite figure out what was bugging me about the new sail graphics on Puma, but I think I finally figured it out. That poor kitty on the sails has to romp around the world backwards.

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yeah - why a backwards kitty cat?

I guess so that with the kite up you still see the cats head, rather than the ass.

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Well My pops is at the launch while i sit pretty back in South Africa, will try get some of his pics (he part of the press)!!

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Like it..... ! looks good and anything which draws the punters' attention to yacht racing is a good thing IMHO

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Like it..... ! looks good and anything which draws the punters' attention to yacht racing is a good thing IMHO

 

Couldn't agree more Traci , this is an in your face boat that will be hard to miss.

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Let's see how this American Team does during this VOR. It would be pretty rad for USA to win the VOR, I mean let's face it, the VOR is pretty much the America's Cup of offshore racing. It's not just a competition of of which team has the best sailors, it is a design and technology competition that produces the fastest monohull boats in the world.

 

 

American boat??

There are 4 seppos in the crew list and one is the media specialist

Each watch captain is not amercian and the majority of the crew anzac

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American boat??

There are 4 seppos in the crew list and one is the media specialist

Each watch captain is not amercian and the majority of the crew anzac

 

Thats sailing nowdays and it doesn't mean if Oracle win the next AC it won't be celebrated like an American team...! Off course it will, it's Kennie's team and he is American, thats the way the viewers will see it. Afterall at the end of the dat Kennie picked his own team. Perhaps if we had nationaility rules we would see different results through different racing but that's not gunna happen so what we got here is as close to an American team as possible.

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Launch pix & vids.

 

Bottle didn't break first wack. :huh:

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A few more from yesterday

 

 

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Hey mstr,

It's great seeing some more of your fabulous pics again

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Bottle didn't break first wack. :huh:

Ohh...That's...not...good...... :ph34r:

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Bottle didn't break first wack. :huh:

 

 

At least the bottle broke before the yacht.

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The more I look at that stern the more I think it is following the same line of thinking we are in our new International Canoe designs. Get as much positive angle of attack/planing surface area as you can with big U shaped sections in front of the rocker. Then get rid of the stern as quickly as you can and tuck it up, which will also help trim you bow at speed. Definitely no expert on big keel boat shapes, but to me shes starting to look like a planing dinghy hull. Also got a lot of volume down low in the bow, playing the a-class game of betting more volume early.

 

Just thinking aloud.

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Some more from aboard.

 

‘il mostro heads out for 2000-mile qualifier’

 

Two days after PUMA Ocean Racing christened its ferocious black boat il mostro - Italian for The Monster - in Boston Harbor, Ken Read and his crew headed out to sea to complete its 2000-mile qualifier for entry into the Volvo Ocean Race 2008-2009. Il Mostro and PUMA Ocean Racing’s other boat, Avanti, left Boston, on a bright sunny day around 10am and will be out on the waters of the Atlantic for the next several days.

 

“We’re pretty much heading out and just seeing where the wind will take us,” said Read. “The qualifier is probably something we could have done later in the summer, but we wanted to start checking off the boxes early on the things we needed to do before we get closer to the race.”

 

PUMA Ocean Racing photographer Sally Collison jumped on-board for the first hour of the trip and grabbed these shots.

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Anyone read the article in SW about the sail technology alghini had been developing and sold to north? (april 08?) From what I got out of the article it looks like this boat has this stuff, the fibers along the stress paths dont appear to be yarns, more of a "tissue paper" like the article talked about.

 

I didnt think north was going to start making these until 2009.

 

Anyone have any info on that?

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First under sail, Best chance to win?

It was like that for ABN/AMRO 1&2, To bad Mean Machine couldn't get sponsorship.

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Anyone read the article in SW about the sail technology alghini had been developing and sold to north? (april 08?) From what I got out of the article it looks like this boat has this stuff, the fibers along the stress paths dont appear to be yarns, more of a "tissue paper" like the article talked about.

 

I didnt think north was going to start making these until 2009.

 

Anyone have any info on that?

I do not have any inside knowledge on this matter. However, given Ken Read's position in the North Sails organization I would not be surprised if there were a number of items in the "development" stage that were being tested within the Puma program. Actually, I would be more surprised if North wasn't using the Puma program as a giant test platform.

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They're not first on the water.

I meant with the new VOR 70 design. Any photo's of any other team sailing 70's right now?

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I meant with the new VOR 70 design. Any photo's of any other team sailing 70's right now?

ericsson 3 has been on the water for quite some time now... That is a gen3 (gen2) Juan K design, development of AA1 (black boat, launched as second boat, which some call first gen2, other called it gen. 1.5).

 

Anyone know by the way if that one is measured yet as a VO70, seem to remember there were some 'issues' based on public interpetations of the VO70-rule...

Ericsson is two boat testing with old AA1 in lanzarote now, enough pics on http://www.ericssonracingteam.com

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ericsson 3 has been on the water for quite some time now... That is a gen3 (gen2) Juan K design, development of AA1 (black boat, launched as second boat, which some call first gen2, other called it gen. 1.5).

 

Anyone know by the way if that one is measured yet as a VO70, seem to remember there were some 'issues' based on public interpetations of the VO70-rule...

Ericsson is two boat testing with old AA1 in lanzarote now, enough pics on http://www.ericssonracingteam.com

 

Ooops, I didn't know that And I saw Telefonica Movistar is on the water as well Thank you for that.

 

I heard Botin Carkeek is naval architect for the Puma team, Juan Kouyoumdjian did the design the Erricson VOR 70. And Telefonica Movistar team klings to Bruce Farr.

 

That might be interesting!

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Ooops, I didn't know that And I saw Telefonica Movistar is on the water as well Thank you for that.

 

I heard Botin Carkeek is naval architect for the Puma team, Juan Kouyoumdjian did the design the Erricson VOR 70. And Telefonica Movistar team klings to Bruce Farr.

 

That might be interesting!

 

I suggest you do a bit more homework before touching your keyboard again. You are stating things that have been common knowledge for over a year, and showing us all photos of the old Movistar boat that is now a manmade reef. I don't think the new Telefonica boats will be on the water for a few more weeks.

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I suggest you do a bit more homework before touching your keyboard again. You are stating things that have been common knowledge for over a year, and showing us all photos of the old Movistar boat that is now a manmade reef. I don't think the new Telefonica boats will be on the water for a few more weeks.
Dude, if you're going to call someone out, you should do your homework. That's not the movistar that sank, it's ex-Brasil1, their test boat.

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Dude, if you're going to call someone out, you should do your homework. That's not the movistar that sank, it's ex-Brasil1, their test boat.

Interesting, last time I checked the 'new' movistar had twin rudders...

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Interesting, last time I checked the 'new' movistar had twin rudders...
It isn't the new one. Reading comprehension my friend, it's the OLD Brasil1. New Movistar test boat

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It isn't the new one. Reading comprehension my friend, it's the OLD Brasil1. New Movistar test boat

I know, the 'new' movistar is old basil1 that is what I agreed with you however:

 

Brasil 1 went into the shed after the VOR. Modifacations to keel area as well as fitting dual rudder. The photo shown clearly is of the old movistar (which can also be concluded from the livery) with a single rudder.

 

Movistars 3&4 will show over the summer (one build in Spain, one build in kiwi-land I think)

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It isn't the new one. Reading comprehension my friend, it's the OLD Brasil1. New Movistar test boat

 

everyone, chill out a little bit!

 

Movistar/Alicante is currently using Brazil1 as a test boat, but have modified it, adding chines in the back and double rudders. I don't believe they have launched their new boat yet (at least they havn't done press events if they have)

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I know, the 'new' movistar is old basil1 that is what I agreed with you however:

 

Brasil 1 went into the shed after the VOR. Modifacations to keel area as well as fitting dual rudder. The photo shown clearly is of the old movistar (which can also be concluded from the livery) with a single rudder.

 

Movistars 3&4 will show over the summer (one build in Spain, one build in kiwi-land I think)

I'll retract that, Movistar repainted that mid race, so it could be the original boat, but I'm pretty sure that one in the picture is Brasil. It's got different sponsors on the sail as well

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And on a side note, as I was looking through the image bank for this, I really had forgotten how badass some of the shots of these monsters were!

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Dude, if you're going to call someone out, you should do your homework. That's not the movistar that sank, it's ex-Brasil1, their test boat.

 

That is the old Movistar, the original one. It is an old photo of it test sailing long before the last race started. It has a single rudder, spinnaker pole on deck, and a big Movistar "M" on the satcom, that they had to take off before the race started. Also, Brasil One never got the full Movistar livery, since it was only a few weeks ago they finally admitted they were doing it again. Up until then the boat just had an Alicante sticker on the bow.

 

Doghouse - I await your apology!

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That is the old Movistar, the original one. It is an old photo of it test sailing long before the last race started. It has a single rudder, spinnaker pole on deck, and a big Movistar "M" on the satcom, that they had to take off before the race started. Also, Brasil One never got the full Movistar livery, since it was only a few weeks ago they finally admitted they were doing it again. Up until then the boat just had an Alicante sticker on the bow.

 

Doghouse - I await your apology!

This is the pre race livery. If it is the original, that photo was taken during the race. If so, then you have my apologies, but there's no reason to dog the other guy out for being wrong.

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I suggest you do a bit more homework before touching your keyboard again. You are stating things that have been common knowledge for over a year, and showing us all photos of the old Movistar boat that is now a manmade reef. I don't think the new Telefonica boats will be on the water for a few more weeks.

 

In a matter of fact I just googled telefonica Movistar VOR70 and that's where I got the result. I do not know it anymore. Especially because on the site of Bruce Farr explicitly the VOR 70 is mentioned. and they show the same photo's. On the other hand: the date of the design mentioned in the list is 2003. And I guess the designer did not know the design criteria by that date. Time will tell how the ship will look like. I think the paint-job will be more or less the same.

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In a matter of fact I just googled telefomica Movistar VOR70 and that's where I got the result. I do not know it anymore. You can't blame google for that. But I did some more research and guess what: on the site of Bruce Farr the photos of the brand new VOR 70 match mine! Hooray http://www.farrdesign.com/550photos.htm. But you can always argue the designer isn't the best in the field ;) But I guess he is. Sorry for that. But it made a interesting discusion though. :rolleyes::D

That is the old boat. Design #550 is from 2003

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That is the old boat. Design #550 is from 2003

You were to quick with your reaction. I got the same conclusion and corrected it. :rolleyes:

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You were to quick with your reaction. I got the same conclusion and corrected it. :rolleyes:

Right place at the right time ;)

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can't wait for the new telefonica boats to sail, a picture or rendering is nowhere to be found, but their names ar telefonica blue and telefonica black, according te VOR site. I liked the movistar, nice hull form and dutch skipper ;)

I Want to make a sailing scale model of one of the boats, il mostro would be great, and already loads of pics, but the paint job will be very hard. ericsson isn't very keen on giving information, telefonica boats don't even exist for the media.

I guess just some more waiting ;)

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Is Bowe Bekking back on Movistar , who are the crew..? Anyone know..? Bowe kept his mouth shut last Volvo when his Farr boat was breaking all the time and you may all remember the crew meeting that became public, Bowe could have or should have canned their campaign because of safety issues with the boat but he protected his investment in sailing for the Movistar sponsors again. Not sure I would be sailing with him again and I know many of the Aussies who did last time aren't going again. I am not convinced the Movistar team will do that well, having said that Mike Sanderson isn't racing his time is he, so who knows whats going to happen this time..?

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In the second pic in post 49 they have a spin up and the main trimmed to center (or almost).

 

I wonder what the TWA, AWA, WS and BS are in that pic. For a guy like me who sails pretty conventional keel boats that pic makes me scratch my head.

 

Don't try that at home...

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Is Bowe Bekking back on Movistar , who are the crew..? Anyone know..?

 

I think Bouwe is technical director for the campaign this time. No skipper/crew news yet...

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I think Bouwe is technical director for the campaign this time. No skipper/crew news yet...

Nice article today on TDS on the Movistar 2-boat campaign.

 

Bouwe will be sailing on one of the boats, 'SiFi' is nav for one of the two boats. once the boats arrive (one comes from NZ, other is build in Spain) in about a month they'll go from modified Brasil1 (for sale here: http://www.cruiser-racer.com/pdf/pdfonline...p_id=0000000306 including V2 mast, dual rudders, heavily modified hull, another 12000nm on the clock but without issues since last Volvo) to a more public campaign...

 

And if the above link doesn't work properly this one should... http://www.cruiser-racer.com/comu/vaixell....p_id=0000000306.

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can't wait for the new telefonica boats to sail, a picture or rendering is nowhere to be found, but their names ar telefonica blue and telefonica black, according te VOR site. I liked the movistar, nice hull form and dutch skipper ;)

 

On the movistar website, if you go to the video library in the "multimedia" section, you will see a pretty good rendering of the new boats.

http://www.equipotelefonica.es/multimedia.php?mtype=Video

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I wonder which boat the Puma team will be using for Newoprt Bermuda 2008? probally il mostro (the black one).....hope they do well.

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I wonder which boat the Puma team will be using for Newoprt Bermuda 2008? probally il mostro (the black one).....hope they do well.

 

Black boat.

Do well? They're in the demo class against Speedboat, Privateer, Rambler, etc.

 

edit: fuck off noob.

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Black boat.

Do well? They're in the demo class against Speedboat, Privateer, Rambler, etc.

 

edit: fuck off noob.

 

 

Wait. Who's Rambler's skipper then if PUMA is in?

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Wait. Who's Rambler's skipper then if PUMA is in?

 

Dunno...I'm sure they'll find someone up to the task.

 

BTW, Rambler is in the RACING Division, so has to go head to head with the STP 65's.

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Dunno...I'm sure they'll find someone up to the task.

 

BTW, Rambler is in the RACING Division, so has to go head to head with the STP 65's.

 

Whoops, figured water ballast would make her have to go in the open class. :rolleyes:

 

She'll give the STP's a fight with this many miles.

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Whoops, figured water ballast would make her have to go in the open class. :rolleyes:

 

She'll give the STP's a fight with this many miles.

 

Oi mates! New to the site/new to the sport, but I'm the guy who painted Il Mostro and kinda' got caught up in the race. I used to design/paint go-fasts for Outerlimits from '99-'06 but thanks to Eric Goetz and the cost of fuel I'm thinking "blow-boats" is where I'll be training my cross-hairs. It was a pleasure and an honor to work with PUMA and Goetz; you've never seen amore dedicated, committed bunch and I couldn't be any more proud to have been a part of it. Now if they can win the bloody thing.

 

I'll be around....

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Oi mates! New to the site/new to the sport, but I'm the guy who painted Il Mostro and kinda' got caught up in the race. I used to design/paint go-fasts for Outerlimits from '99-'06 but thanks to Eric Goetz and the cost of fuel I'm thinking "blow-boats" is where I'll be training my cross-hairs. It was a pleasure and an honor to work with PUMA and Goetz; you've never seen amore dedicated, committed bunch and I couldn't be any more proud to have been a part of it. Now if they can win the bloody thing.

 

I'll be around....

 

 

Nice work.

 

Looks great.

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Oi mates! New to the site/new to the sport, but I'm the guy who painted Il Mostro and kinda' got caught up in the race. I used to design/paint go-fasts for Outerlimits from '99-'06 but thanks to Eric Goetz and the cost of fuel I'm thinking "blow-boats" is where I'll be training my cross-hairs. It was a pleasure and an honor to work with PUMA and Goetz; you've never seen amore dedicated, committed bunch and I couldn't be any more proud to have been a part of it. Now if they can win the bloody thing.

 

I'll be around....

 

Yeah ... great work. Your team should go well.

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Whoops, figured water ballast would make her have to go in the open class. :rolleyes:

 

She'll give the STP's a fight with this many miles.

 

You mean on handicap..? At 90' long with water ballast she'll be way too fast boat for boat I would have thought.?

 

This race will be all about Speedboat and how far ahead she finishes. Rambler will be some form of yardstick because the RP98 Alfa Romeo will know exactly how much faster they are than Rambler etc etc. I also remember Rambler leading ICAP Leopard in the Fastnet until ICAP finally passed her, didn't beat her in by much. The STP65's will be the boats to be for handicap I would have thought.

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this is just me personally, but i dont like the whole shoe topside job there

their navy(?) paint job a while back was better

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this is just me personally, but i dont like the whole shoe topside job there

their navy(?) paint job a while back was better

Their other boat is a red trainer (with white logo)

Their new boat (Il Mostro) has always been out here for us to see in the trainer paint-job...

 

The only boat in a navy paint job (without markings) is the former brasil1 which has been modified to serve as a test platform to Telefonica (change of hull shape, dual rudders).

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