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Mauney,

 

I have not heard of any such tooling project. Being the i550 design owner, we will need to investigate. Thanks for the tip.

Tim Reiter

Watershed Sailboats

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That is an old rumor I believe and not to worry. All is good. Meanwhile, what about that rumor of a new boat works somewhere in Florida? I know you have been in contact, Tim and Susan, any truth to that? To soon to tell?

 

And any truth to the rumor of someone trying to hook some lake monster with their keel?

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Trub is, Mauney is a guy who would know. He's seldom wrong and always right, if you get my drift.

 

Yes, the very opinionated Mauney knows. :)

 

Correct, there are no worries, alternative use hull tooled from a shape that resembles the i550.

 

Mauney may not always be who you think Mauney is, multi-user input.

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We're not worried at all re: the alleged tooling project, because if it resembles an i550, it ain't an i550 .... unless the resemblance is too close and then with deal with it.

But we can confirm the Florida rumors ... very exciting, classified high-level negotiations going on.

Also, can confirm the "There Be Monsters Out There" rumors.

 

Jray, who launched his incredible yellow i550 last season on Flathead Lake, Montana has decided to tempt fate and go trolling for the infamous "Flatty" Flathead Monster that lurks deep in the largest natural fresh water lake west of the Mississippi. Although we've cautioned him to not attach a big treble hook, Jray never backs down from a challenge.

Check out his recently enhanced keel bulb ...

The Nuts at Watershed

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Thanks, Dave.

We think it's Front Page Material, too.

The "Davettes" @ Watershed

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i550 Hull License #449 goes to Goolwa Beach, South Australia. It's the fourth that will be building in Goolwa.

Cheers!

S&T

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#450 has a home in Turkey and the first Turkish build is roaring in toward its first splash.

 

The i550 is the best Bang for Buck boat. Period. more than forty countries on the list. World wide popularity the one measure of success that cannot be argued. post-1820-034393200 1332259109_thumb.jpg

 

nuf said

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Timbo,

 

HOT BATCH -MMMMMMMMMMMM huff huff.

 

smokin now

 

Pass me the microballons.

 

 

T:rolleyes:

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The one who insists he was first in the line

Is the last to remember her name

He's walking around in this dress that she wore

She's gone but the joke's the same ...

 

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Isn't shay!

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The one who insists he was first in the line

Is the last to remember her name

He's walking around in this dress that she wore

She's gone but the joke's the same ...

 

post-768-042796200 1332344044_thumb.jpg

 

 

Isn't shay!

 

Quite screwin' 'roud and get ta sandin'! Spring is here! You've a launch date comin' up! Gotta go, I've still got a bit of sandin' ta do too!

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The one who insists he was first in the line

Is the last to remember her name

He's walking around in this dress that she wore

She's gone but the joke's the same ...

 

post-768-042796200 1332344044_thumb.jpg

 

 

Isn't shay!

 

I sure hope you had to google that, and didn't know/remember word for word!

 

There's a tube going up in Missouri this weekend for some sail measuring. Rigging's been a nice change of pace from all the sanding lately.

 

You know you've moved far away when even McMaster takes two days to deliver stuff.

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Quite screwin' 'roud and get ta sandin'! Spring is here! You've a launch date comin' up! Gotta go, I've still got a bit of sandin' ta do too!

 

You got that right, Totals! Get to work man. Are you going in this month? I think we Southeasters need to schedule something for next Spring, could you make it to Lake Norman? I figure it's about as good as we'll get from FL to MD.

 

SAPOSWIAB, I did not have to google for the lyrics, but I did anyway just to be sure I remembered them right. I have been singing that song constantly since I broke into the can of 407 and am getting really tired of having it stuck in my head.

 

Like, rilly, rilly tired of it....

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Quite screwin' 'roud and get ta sandin'! Spring is here! You've a launch date comin' up! Gotta go, I've still got a bit of sandin' ta do too!

 

You got that right, Totals! Get to work man. Are you going in this month? I think we Southeasters need to schedule something for next Spring, could you make it to Lake Norman? I figure it's about as good as we'll get from FL to MD.

 

SAPOSWIAB, I did not have to google for the lyrics, but I did anyway just to be sure I remembered them right. I have been singing that song constantly since I broke into the can of 407 and am getting really tired of having it stuck in my head.

 

Like, rilly, rilly tired of it....

 

I was hoping that "Frank" would splash this month but it might not happen until the first week of April. And Lake Norman sounds good to me. Fall or next Spring. US other SE guys had talked a bit about this Fall.

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SAPOSWIAB, I did not have to google for the lyrics, but I did anyway just to be sure I remembered them right. I have been singing that song constantly since I broke into the can of 407 and am getting really tired of having it stuck in my head.

 

Like, rilly, rilly tired of it....

 

I had it in my head too, but I only remember about ten words.... in the 80's while some of my friends were pegging (I think that's the right word for it?) the cuffs of their pants and wearing bright colored shirts, I went a little opposite to that direction.

 

Mast raised and solo boat flipping:

 

Some more detailed pics of the oddball rig at the link in the sig.

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SAPOSWIAB,

That's Filippin" Amazing ...

S&T

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New never used i550 sails for sale. Completed Main, Jib and Kite can be purchased directly from the sailmaker.

Contact Kevin Farrar at Farrar Sails for details and cost:

860-447-0382

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New never used i550 sails for sale. Completed Main, Jib and Kite can be purchased directly from the sailmaker.

Contact Kevin Farrar at Farrar Sails for details and cost:

860-447-0382

 

The Bow Fell Off. Gone in 30 seconds!

My link

Free at last!

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New never used i550 sails for sale. Completed Main, Jib and Kite can be purchased directly from the sailmaker.

Contact Kevin Farrar at Farrar Sails for details and cost:

860-447-0382

 

Spoken for, thanks for the quick replies.

 

Keep Farrar Sails in mind, they do great work.

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Gosh, that just does not seem right... could you have not given her to a better home?? :(

 

New never used i550 sails for sale. Completed Main, Jib and Kite can be purchased directly from the sailmaker.

Contact Kevin Farrar at Farrar Sails for details and cost:

860-447-0382

 

The Bow Fell Off. Gone in 30 seconds!

My link

Free at last!

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Gosh, that just does not seem right... could you have not given her to a better home?? :(

 

New never used i550 sails for sale. Completed Main, Jib and Kite can be purchased directly from the sailmaker.

Contact Kevin Farrar at Farrar Sails for details and cost:

860-447-0382

 

The Bow Fell Off. Gone in 30 seconds!

My link

Free at last!

Well, I sat with the boat for a while, gave it plenty of serious thought before plugging in the sawzall.

I cut the boat for the 400+ people who are following their dreams and can't stand the ongoing battles.

Without getting into details, I won't be worrying about anyone getting hurt by it, which has nothing to do with the design or build quality. As fugly as it was, it was special to me, that was not easy.

I wish the best for the classes and builders. Please done hate what was done, it was best for all.

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Mauney,

Re: "I cut the boat for the 400+ people who are following their dreams and can't stand the ongoing battles."

The battle was always within the builder, not the build.

Anyone who knows "Mauney," (who isn't even Mauney) knows the truth. There are not 400+ who can't stand the ongoing battles. We hear from many builders daily, who are working hard and looking forward to launching and sailing. Even in this thread, there is playful banter back and forth between divergent and competitive views.

They are even talking about sailing against each other. All new classes have growing pains.

RIP 222

(Rest in Pieces) & we hope you can now find some inner peace, Peter.

Tim

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Tim,

You should STFU and give a shot at building one of these yourself. You have no idea who we are. You may be familiar with the multiple user identities right?

 

We at Mauney Motorsports challenge you to show the world what you got. No more banter, build it.

 

Take your peace of mind elsewhere.

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Talked to a long time acquaintance of yours today. Many things were confirmed. I won't engage in any further public exchanges with you.

nuf said

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Gosh, that just does not seem right... could you have not given her to a better home?? :(

 

New never used i550 sails for sale. Completed Main, Jib and Kite can be purchased directly from the sailmaker.

Contact Kevin Farrar at Farrar Sails for details and cost:

860-447-0382

 

The Bow Fell Off. Gone in 30 seconds!

My link

Free at last!

Well, I sat with the boat for a while, gave it plenty of serious thought before plugging in the sawzall.

I cut the boat for the 400+ people who are following their dreams and can't stand the ongoing battles.

Without getting into details, I won't be worrying about anyone getting hurt by it, which has nothing to do with the design or build quality. As fugly as it was, it was special to me, that was not easy.

I wish the best for the classes and builders. Please done hate what was done, it was best for all.

 

No worries, MM, we understand about the saws-all.

 

Don't think your time in with the boat all went for naught. You taught me one helluva lot, turned me on to some quality vendors and gave some excellent tips to which I still refer. Having you give advice on the different forums was a real plus, expertise from a guy who does some top quality glass work (I'm thinking of a particular Evelyn 25, or was it a 26?, in particular).

 

So it didn't work out with 222, there's no shortage of boats to build/fix/beautify in this harsh world of ours.

 

As for the infighting, to steal a quote the Great Scot Tempesta, "my days [with that] are so fucking over."

 

cheers bro!

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With a full kit K6 at $22k it doesn't look good for the future of i550 growth.

 

With all the free publicity and interest its a shame that a production i550 could not have happened by now.

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OK, I'm a noob to the SA forums so please splash me.

 

Now thats over moving on, I'm 95% decided on building an i550 having worked up to it on several smaller projects. Are there any around Sydney that I can have a look at before I make my final decision?

I'm in Canberra for work often as well, and I know there are some in the ACT.

 

Also whats the best way to go in terms of hull configuration? I'll be doing social twilight racing and taking my youing family out on weekends.

 

Cheers

 

 

Tim

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With a full kit K6 at $22k it doesn't look good for the future of i550 growth.

 

With all the free publicity and interest its a shame that a production i550 could not have happened by now.

 

 

What I got from the K6 deal is that they were having trouble moving boats so the found ways of changing it to make if less expensive and so they effectively changed their one design criteria. They did it to increase sales more than anything. In my mind, this simply reinforces what I already knew - that the i550's needed price point is below the 20K mark.

 

As the i550 is a restricted development class rather than a one design, it poses some unique challenges to be production built. Let's just start with the idea of at least three separate classes. OK, that isn't so much of an issue as only one allows for composite builds, the North American Class. But at least part of the reason there was infighting a while ago and a split into three classes was the composite construction issue. While there are still a few production boats being built of ply in the world today, the process is much more labor intensive and the materials more costly. It will take a full composite boat to be competitive in today's market place. That means it will have to be built to the NA rule set.

 

Then which version should be built? Flush deck or cabin? What is the primary market for the boat? Is it to be up against the VX? If so, then a carbon rig and fancy sails will be required. Should it be built as a great replacement for the aging Flying Scott fleets? If so, then maybe durability and lower cost is more important.

 

Another is the fact than just about all of the boats built or being built have had various parts tweaked or customized well above the original design criteria. I call this the tinkering factor. It is at least part of the appeal of the i550 experience. Even those that claim to want the purest of the i550 to sail against have tinkered with their boats. Difficult not to under the circumstances. So does this mean that the best way to bring the i550 to production is to offer hulls and decks? Ready to be tinkered with to your hearts content?

 

Lots of possibilities, some of which may actually be realized soon.

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OK, I'm a noob to the SA forums so please splash me.

 

Now thats over moving on, I'm 95% decided on building an i550 having worked up to it on several smaller projects. Are there any around Sydney that I can have a look at before I make my final decision?

I'm in Canberra for work often as well, and I know there are some in the ACT.

 

Also whats the best way to go in terms of hull configuration? I'll be doing social twilight racing and taking my youing family out on weekends.

 

Cheers

Tim

 

..depends wether you want it as a liveaboard or daysailor :rolleyes:

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With a full kit K6 at $22k it doesn't look good for the future of i550 growth.

 

With all the free publicity and interest its a shame that a production i550 could not have happened by now.

 

 

What I got from the K6 deal is that they were having trouble moving boats so the found ways of changing it to make if less expensive and so they effectively changed their one design criteria. They did it to increase sales more than anything. In my mind, this simply reinforces what I already knew - that the i550's needed price point is below the 20K mark.

 

 

 

k6 website says $25k

 

can you elaborate about these changes?

 

what did they do to change the K6 OD specs?

 

edit - ok - i saw the other thread.

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With a full kit K6 at $22k it doesn't look good for the future of i550 growth.

 

With all the free publicity and interest its a shame that a production i550 could not have happened by now.

 

ohh,,don't get your knickers in a twist :P

....i550's will always remain the most resourceful way into sportboats

..........AND (somewhat) levelclass racing ;)

 

...and where can you sleep a family on a K6 :lol: :lol:

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With a full kit K6 at $22k it doesn't look good for the future of i550 growth.

 

With all the free publicity and interest its a shame that a production i550 could not have happened by now.

 

ohh,,don't get your knickers in a twist :P

....i550's will always remain the most resourceful way into sportboats

..........AND (somewhat) levelclass racing ;)

 

...and where can you sleep a family on a K6 :lol: :lol:

 

i550 is a lot bigger than a k6 - i don't think it's the same market at all.

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With a full kit K6 at $22k it doesn't look good for the future of i550 growth.

 

With all the free publicity and interest its a shame that a production i550 could not have happened by now.

 

 

Hey Glad,

Why so sad?

If you knew what we know, then maybe you'd change your tune.

Exciting times are in the pipeline ... you'll find out when announcements are made. Just like any other posters here.

Timber & His First Mate

Watershed Sailboats

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Promises, promises. Hopefully something happens this time.

 

Glad,

Thanks for your usual ringing endorsement. Success takes persistence, hope & a positive attitude.

S&T

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OK, I'm a noob to the SA forums so please splash me.

 

Now thats over moving on, I'm 95% decided on building an i550 having worked up to it on several smaller projects. Are there any around Sydney that I can have a look at before I make my final decision?

I'm in Canberra for work often as well, and I know there are some in the ACT.

 

Also whats the best way to go in terms of hull configuration? I'll be doing social twilight racing and taking my youing family out on weekends.

 

Cheers

 

 

Tim

 

OK, another Tim. What form of the name "dave," would you like?

WELCOME! There are tons of boats being built in Australia. One of the first to be built was the famous "Tonka," in Canberra.

 

If you go to our website (i550sportboat.com) & click on the map page, you'll see all the plan sets, built & splashed. They are building i550's like crazy in Tasmania, where the Bellerive Yacht Club will be hosting the Australian Sportboat & Trailersailer Nationals this Easter weekend. We have an i550 kit cutter in Queensland.

Also, check out the forums for i550.org (not our site) for a link to the Australian i550 Class. Email us at i550watershed@yahoo.com if you have further question.

CHEERS!

S&T

Australians are so creative, get to work & usually almost always no whining.

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With a full kit K6 at $22k it doesn't look good for the future of i550 growth.

 

With all the free publicity and interest its a shame that a production i550 could not have happened by now.

 

 

Hey Glad,

Why so sad?

If you knew what we know, then maybe you'd change your tune.

Exciting times are in the pipeline ... you'll find out when announcements are made. Just like any other posters here.

Timber & His First Mate

Watershed Sailboats

 

Hot diggity. Be still my quivering taste-buds.

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Hello,Timber - WaterShed - Tim

 

Hello,TimFordi550#87 - Tim, I mean Dave

 

Hello,I live in Sydney and sometimes work in Canberra and want to build a i550 - Tim

 

Thisis Mist - Tim, builder of hull #296,

 

Ifar as which configuration to build, definitely consider the long cockpit. The short cockpit is a pain in thebottom with the keel stuck in the interior hatch area.

 

Flushor Cabin, if the sole purpose of the boat is to race - go flush. If there is anypossibility you’ll be out on the water for lengthy trips go with thecabin. Enjoy the build no matterwhat you pick.

 

 

You can call me Bob!

 

 

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Promises, promises. Hopefully something happens this time.

 

Glad,

Thanks for your usual ringing endorsement. Success takes persistence, hope & a positive attitude.

S&T

 

 

Ditto ,

Why is it that the biggest knockers of the i550 concept are "boatbuilders" who want to build a production boat?

 

Whinging will not get the job done.

Knocking what you have will not encourage others to follow your lead.

Promoting other designs on this thread or others will not encourage others to join the i550 family.

 

As Tim & Susan say "nuf said"

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Promises, promises. Hopefully something happens this time.

 

Glad,

Thanks for your usual ringing endorsement. Success takes persistence, hope & a positive attitude.

S&T

 

 

Ditto ,

Why is it that the biggest knockers of the i550 concept are "boatbuilders" who want to build a production boat?

 

Whinging will not get the job done.

Knocking what you have will not encourage others to follow your lead.

Promoting other designs on this thread or others will not encourage others to join the i550 family.

 

As Tim & Susan say "nuf said"

 

I am planning on producing a Sports 8 OD production boat, I think boats like the I550 are great, they have an awesome entry point into SB fleets. I would love to see ASBA in Australia introduce a div 3 fleet for the slower sporties like the I550, SB3 etc this is how we peomote our sport and increase numbers. The more 'entry level" boats built (I am not being derogitory here it is a reference to price point) built the more people may graduate to my Sports 8!! So please dont bag production builders as generally we completely support home builds etc as there is a hope that the need for speed results in sales of our boats. build as many boats like the I550 as you can and get ppl out on the water!

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Promises, promises. Hopefully something happens this time.

 

Glad,

Thanks for your usual ringing endorsement. Success takes persistence, hope & a positive attitude.

S&T

 

Ahhh, but you forgot to add TIME AND A LOT OF HARD WORK...

 

There is a reason that the Viper 640 is going ape-shit with growth... there is a reason why certain OD classes are growing... HARD WORK and knowledge of the subject...

 

The VX and the K6 are different from the i550, but not so much so that they aren't going to steal away a significant portion of the i550 growth.

 

The simple truth is that there have been 450 plans sold and a tiny fraction of boats are being built. Lots of people will buy plans, far fewer will build a boat. An off the shelf option makes this a realistic class.

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Ditto ,

Why is it that the biggest knockers of the i550 concept are "boatbuilders" who want to build a production boat?

 

Whinging will not get the job done.

Knocking what you have will not encourage others to follow your lead.

Promoting other designs on this thread or others will not encourage others to join the i550 family.

 

As Tim & Susan say "nuf said"

Not knocking the i550 concept at all. Just realistic about the future growth. If there isn't a production version there is only so much appeal and interest potential. There IS a saturation point; maybe not everywhere, but definitely in North America.

 

Not whinging(?) either as the PDX Mafia is definitely GETTING THE JOB DONE; I don't think that anyone in i550 land can say that they HAVE BUILT FOUR BOATS... so don't even go down that track.

 

Nor am I promoting another design at all. Simply pointing out the cold hard truth which is why build a $15,000 boat with $7000 of your labor (because time ain't free mate!) when you can buy a ready to roll boat that is very similar in performance for $22k... that's just reality.

 

The i550 is a really cool boat and I have been a tireless promoter of the idea, design and concept. Shit-oh-dear I have actually built one, two, three, ohhh four of them so far. Home built is great and there are home built Lightnings and Thistles and Star boats and I-14s and ???? that still kick ass, but the reality is that there was also a production alternative for each of those successful OD boats. Want to see the class grow, build a boat, want to see it grow faster let someone else build a lot of boats and sell the shit out of them!

 

Just keepin' it real!

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Hey BigFARMA Boy, take couchsurfer's advice & take a large CHILL pill. World Headquarters iz workin' on a solution to your dreams ... working right now on 2 possible production manufacturers.

takes time, cooperation and the right people to get where you want to go. It took decades for the ligtning, thistle & snipe to get built in GRP. So don't run down a boat that has caught fire in 4 years & didn't we see you braggin' a while back how many boats were gonna hit the water in The Pacific Northwest and the Canadian Southwest? Well, more boats are hitting the water soon from Croatia to Australia to Turkey to Missouri to all of North America. So stop with the crocodile tears & get back into promoting instead of demoting.

Yer "Buds" @ Watershed

P.S. You could buy a K6, instead, & name it "K9."

woof

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P.S. You could buy a K6, instead, & name it "K9."

woof

 

I sailed the K6 today..... I think i's a nice boat... I still keep the Vipe and wager the bets on a K6 / i550 battle. No, you are not going to sleep anybody on a K6..

 

I am not going to sleep on a i550...need a *********** hatch.. :)

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Hi Guys,

Thanks for the feedback. I have had a quick look at the sites, but mostly teh builders blogs.

 

I will mostly be datyailing and do'nt intend to be having any sleepovers, that said I will need some where to stash a portable dunny if I want the Mrs to come out.

 

With the tyvek patterns, which configuration do they come in?

Cheers

One of the Tims

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Hi Guys,

Thanks for the feedback. I have had a quick look at the sites, but mostly teh builders blogs.

 

I will mostly be datyailing and do'nt intend to be having any sleepovers, that said I will need some where to stash a portable dunny if I want the Mrs to come out.

 

With the tyvek patterns, which configuration do they come in?

Cheers

One of the Tims

You can buy the patterns in any of the configurations; 1) original TTB style short & narrow cockpit with house, 2) modified TTB style short & wide cockpit with house, 3) original long & narrow cockpit with house, 4) long & wide cockpit with house, or

 

5) The PDX designed long & wide cockpit with rounded cabin; loads of build pictures on our design can be found here: http://www.i550na.org/

 

If you are day sailing and racing the boat and want the most functional layout the PDX drawn design is probably the most user friendly and also the easiest to build, but of course we are a little partial to that design since we came up with it.

 

As for a portable dunny, ever heard of "perfect circle"? Time to teach the wife to use a bucket! One just so happens to fit right between the compression post and frame 110.

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Hey BigFARMA Boy, take couchsurfer's advice & take a large CHILL pill. World Headquarters iz workin' on a solution to your dreams ... working right now on 2 possible production manufacturers.

takes time, cooperation and the right people to get where you want to go. It took decades for the ligtning, thistle & snipe to get built in GRP. So don't run down a boat that has caught fire in 4 years & didn't we see you braggin' a while back how many boats were gonna hit the water in The Pacific Northwest and the Canadian Southwest? Well, more boats are hitting the water soon from Croatia to Australia to Turkey to Missouri to all of North America. So stop with the crocodile tears & get back into promoting instead of demoting.

Yer "Buds" @ Watershed

P.S. You could buy a K6, instead, & name it "K9."

woof

Hugs not drugs... some people should put down the bong...

 

Not demoting and have no interest in buying a K6, just pointing out the facts which you appear oblivious to. Production boats are stealing the thunder of the i550. Four years ago the i550 was hot shit and the talk of the town, but new (or revived) production sporties are taking the spotlight these days. Watershed needs to ask themselves WHY? Where has their business model failed?

 

Again, I will believe it when I see it with respect to a production i550 builder. You couldn't get the boat beyond paper plans and a photocopier until someone in the PDX mafia handed you a set of CAD files and walked your "kit cutters" through the nesting files for you. So how are you doing selling our design by the way?

 

Maybe you should be trying to get boats built by providing builders with a materials list and an accessories list and selling those items to builders, but that takes work and a first hand knowledge of how to build the boat. Remind us again how far along you are on #42?

 

And, yes we will have OD fleet racing, some team racing and even some match racing in the Pacific NW this summer; but more than that we will have a fun group of people who have spent 2 years building boats together and solving problems instead of just talking about it. We will be taking our boats all over the place to sail and drink beer and hang out together some more. The i550 is a great, fun, boat that will have fleet numbers in the NW, SE and Tasmania, but I don't see any other concentrations of boats being launched in the near future and you have had 4 years of unprecedented publicity and opportunity. There is little attention being paid to getting boats out sailing other than from a few motivated builders who have organized local fleets.

 

Harsh words? You bet your ass... this is of course ANARCHY!

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Yes, Teamgladiator, you and your group have done a great job with building your own i550 fleet in the Pacific Northwest. One of your group donated his time and efforts to improving the plans package. Kudos to him. Calling it your design, meaning the rounded or flush deck style, is a bit much as it was not the first one to be done like that nor will it be the only version. And then we still have the idea that the plan revisions were donated for the betterment of any and all who wishes to build the i550. I will say, if I was going to production build a i550, I would come up with my own version of the cabin arrangement. Just because I think it can be improved upon.

 

All along, the i550 experience has been one that is touted as a group experience where the builders are helping builders. The blogs many have are proof of that concept as everyone is out there sharing what they have learned. Even you. With a restricted development class, which is exactly what the i550 is, that is the best way to promote getting boats finished and sailing. Yes, it would be great to have many more boats sailing this Summer. But people are busy and even this little boat takes more time to finish than one would imagine.

 

Which of course, brings us back to the idea of a production boat. What version or style should be built? Which set of rules should it be built to (actually, it has to be yours, right, Teamgladiator?) or should a new, truly One Design set be written up? Should it have a cabin or not? Aluminum rig or not? Would you pay $ 22,000.00 for a sail away i550? (Really just your 15K plus 7K labor posting) What would you expect for that $ 22,000.00? Lots of things to consider when looking at making the leap from a home built boat to a production version.

 

Things will happen for the i550, it just takes a bit more time that we all prefer.

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Hi Guys,

Thanks for the feedback. I have had a quick look at the sites, but mostly teh builders blogs.

 

I will mostly be datyailing and do'nt intend to be having any sleepovers, that said I will need some where to stash a portable dunny if I want the Mrs to come out.

 

With the tyvek patterns, which configuration do they come in?

Cheers

One of the Tims

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Tim#142893Australia,

 

Tyveks come in all configurations. A1-A6 drawings on our "About" Page @i550sportboat.com. Plans are included free with Tyvek Patterns. The A4 is the long, wide cockpit, short cabin.

If you purchase Tyveks, we can email you the plans so you can study them & decide.

 

A4 might be best for the bucket brigrade. Some people might not think they can train "The wife'" like you can train a dog. Some more enlightened beings might even like & think the wife is their best friend.

 

Check out the Geougon speed build, if you haven't seen it before. That's an A4. Then you two can decide what will work well for your needs.

 

The speed i550 build video has gone viral,

, and we have seen it on car sites and even Russian sites!

It's the legendary Gougeon Bother's technical division speedy build of "Hot Canary."

 

Thanks for your interest.

 

CHEERS!

 

Tim#347892USA

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Hey BigFARMA Boy, take couchsurfer's advice & take a large CHILL pill. World Headquarters iz workin' on a solution to your dreams ... working right now on 2 possible production manufacturers.

takes time, cooperation and the right people to get where you want to go. It took decades for the ligtning, thistle & snipe to get built in GRP. So don't run down a boat that has caught fire in 4 years & didn't we see you braggin' a while back how many boats were gonna hit the water in The Pacific Northwest and the Canadian Southwest? Well, more boats are hitting the water soon from Croatia to Australia to Turkey to Missouri to all of North America. So stop with the crocodile tears & get back into promoting instead of demoting.

Yer "Buds" @ Watershed

P.S. You could buy a K6, instead, & name it "K9."

woof

Hugs not drugs... some people should put down the bong...

 

Not demoting and have no interest in buying a K6, just pointing out the facts which you appear oblivious to. Production boats are stealing the thunder of the i550. Four years ago the i550 was hot shit and the talk of the town, but new (or revived) production sporties are taking the spotlight these days. Watershed needs to ask themselves WHY? Where has their business model failed?

 

Again, I will believe it when I see it with respect to a production i550 builder. You couldn't get the boat beyond paper plans and a photocopier until someone in the PDX mafia handed you a set of CAD files and walked your "kit cutters" through the nesting files for you. So how are you doing selling our design by the way?

 

Maybe you should be trying to get boats built by providing builders with a materials list and an accessories list and selling those items to builders, but that takes work and a first hand knowledge of how to build the boat. Remind us again how far along you are on #42?

 

And, yes we will have OD fleet racing, some team racing and even some match racing in the Pacific NW this summer; but more than that we will have a fun group of people who have spent 2 years building boats together and solving problems instead of just talking about it. We will be taking our boats all over the place to sail and drink beer and hang out together some more. The i550 is a great, fun, boat that will have fleet numbers in the NW, SE and Tasmania, but I don't see any other concentrations of boats being launched in the near future and you have had 4 years of unprecedented publicity and opportunity. There is little attention being paid to getting boats out sailing other than from a few motivated builders who have organized local fleets.

 

Harsh words? You bet your ass... this is of course ANARCHY!

 

 

 

Glad,

First of all, I grew up in Wyoming & never have even seen a bong ... is that some sort of musical instrument? We live at almost 8,000 feet, that as high as we ever get, unless we drive east of town over Wolf Creek Pass, which is 11,700 feet, and then we are really "high." So go have your wife train you to stick your head in the bucket ...

As for the update on #42, check the map.

As for our business model, we are very much still alive & growing weekly. In this economy, that's saying something. i550 is still going viral with posters saying "I've been following the i550 for years & now I'm ready to build." Check out the # of replies in the SA forums in comparison to all but a few of the other threads.

You own no part of the i550 Design. (Repeat bucket lesson above).

We appreciate everyone who contributes positively. You claim credit for everything & then go and "diss' your own class boat not only on the i550 thread, but a competitor's thread. Do you think that's positive support?

Why do you think more and more builders are defecting to i550Class.org for build support?

And, we announced over a year ago that we have a Materials Sheet that we are "Glad" to send to anyone who inquires.

(Repeat bucket lesson above).

Just Susan (It would have been much worse if Tim hadn't read this first)

 

 

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Jesus, Eric, you really are a proper asswart, aren't you?

 

So how are you doing selling our design by the way?

 

"our design"...that's a joke, right?

 

I got news for you pardo. Take some time and talk to an IP attorney...there're about 25,000 pages of case law that says your having generated a crummy CAD file from a design that's already been executed hardly entitles you to any property rights. Get a grip.

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Thank you one of the other Tims. Your post saved me from posting some heated ill-advised commentary that the delete button has been used on.

 

My disagreement with some individuals is the way they don't offer any solutions to perceived needs until they unload a bunch of bile; like the guy in the stern who screams the loudest when boat handling errors occur. He's probably aware that they might occur based on previous observation but offers nothing but abuse, not problem solving. So if this guy has any sort of knowledge he needs to offer it early and get up on the bow to offer knowledge. Waiting until he explodes and spills his anger only shows his conniving laziness. This guy is not lazy per se but works hard to always be the F****** ing know -it-all who abuses those who are doing the real work.

 

If you have a good idea develop it and share it. Don't withhold your opinion and then blame any one and everyone for not knowing about the"great idea" you have.

 

I have noticed that the number of posts to your local site are way down. They have migrated to i550class.org. There are a bunch of good helpful ideas and thinking going on there. Those are the guys doing the real work. They are doing it in constructive and civil conversation. They don't need you and your corrosive personality nor do we.

 

Time to put a muzzle on.

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Hi Guys,

Thanks for the feedback. I have had a quick look at the sites, but mostly teh builders blogs.

 

I will mostly be datyailing and do'nt intend to be having any sleepovers, that said I will need some where to stash a portable dunny if I want the Mrs to come out.

 

With the tyvek patterns, which configuration do they come in?

Cheers

One of the Tims

 

 

one for sale in QLD if your interested.

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Announcement:

Class split resolved! Realizing the rules differences don't amount to anything significant and that the split is the primary impediment to class growth in the US, the two sides have agreed to bag it all and just agree to race Portsmouth instead of as a class, using the example set by the antipodeans with their rating rule.

 

Also, Watershed and I have agreed to build a production version using reclaimed cellulose core and a proprietary blend of epoxy and vinylester that is stiffer better and cheaper than anything ever used before, ever. We've received our second set of legal notices from the designer, so once those are properly ignored again, we're all set to go!

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Announcement:

Class split resolved! Realizing the rules differences don't amount to anything significant and that the split is the primary impediment to class growth in the US, the two sides have agreed to bag it all and just agree to race Portsmouth instead of as a class, using the example set by the antipodeans with their rating rule.

 

Also, Watershed and I have agreed to build a production version using reclaimed cellulose core and a proprietary blend of epoxy and vinylester that is stiffer better and cheaper than anything ever used before, ever. We've received our second set of legal notices from the designer, so once those are properly ignored again, we're all set to go!

 

nicely stated on all accounts! B)

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...wish I could photoshop a FULL cabin onto a hull about now,,,

,,,,or a cabin mounted at the 'wrong' end :rolleyes:

 

.....i550...the official sportboat of april fools everywhere!! :)

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Announcement:

Class split resolved! Realizing the rules differences don't amount to anything significant and that the split is the primary impediment to class growth in the US, the two sides have agreed to bag it all and just agree to race Portsmouth instead of as a class, using the example set by the antipodeans with their rating rule.

 

Also, Watershed and I have agreed to build a production version using reclaimed cellulose core and a proprietary blend of epoxy and vinylester that is stiffer better and cheaper than anything ever used before, ever. We've received our second set of legal notices from the designer, so once those are properly ignored again, we're all set to go!

 

You forgot to mention the animal hide glue and honey in the adhesive mix.

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A piece of string told me that if you put the cabin top on the bottom of the boat you can get an extra 3 1/2 knots of speed when surfing down a big swell....works something like a reverse "sugar scoop"!!!!!

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Hi Guys,

Thanks for the feedback. I have had a quick look at the sites, but mostly teh builders blogs.

 

I will mostly be datyailing and do'nt intend to be having any sleepovers, that said I will need some where to stash a portable dunny if I want the Mrs to come out.

 

With the tyvek patterns, which configuration do they come in?

Cheers

One of the Tims

 

 

one for sale in QLD if your interested.

 

Thanks Tim(ber) and TTB,

I'm currently looking for a project to build rather than buying a boat. Why are you selling? Hopefully to build another i550?

I caught the bug on my last project and now have the need for speed, plus doing something practical in the evenings and on weekends makes up for driving a desk all week.

I'm considering the A3 or A4 at the moment. I cant see a huge difference in either and the wider side decks of the A3 look more conformable.

 

Also if someone could provide me with a contact for one of the Canberra boats that would be great, as I'd love to use a work funded trip to look at boats!

 

Tim

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........... I cant see a huge difference in either and the wider side decks of the A3 look more conformable......... Tim

 

...the wide sidedeck prevents crew-weight from being projected efficiently at the forward end.

...I'd suggest ~14''max width

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Hi Guys,

Thanks for the feedback. I have had a quick look at the sites, but mostly teh builders blogs.

 

I will mostly be datyailing and do'nt intend to be having any sleepovers, that said I will need some where to stash a portable dunny if I want the Mrs to come out.

 

With the tyvek patterns, which configuration do they come in?

Cheers

One of the Tims

 

 

one for sale in QLD if your interested.

 

Thanks Tim(ber) and TTB,

I'm currently looking for a project to build rather than buying a boat. Why are you selling? Hopefully to build another i550?

I caught the bug on my last project and now have the need for speed, plus doing something practical in the evenings and on weekends makes up for driving a desk all week.

I'm considering the A3 or A4 at the moment. I cant see a huge difference in either and the wider side decks of the A3 look more conformable.

 

Also if someone could provide me with a contact for one of the Canberra boats that would be great, as I'd love to use a work funded trip to look at boats!

 

Tim

 

Building a Leech 650. moving up to a bigger boat. had a lot of fun and now its time to pass her along.

 

the wider side decks will make hiking harder, the narrower side decks were drawn for ergonomics but you do lose a bit of internal space.

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send us an email at i550watershed@yahoo.com and we will send ACT boats information.

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.......the wider side decks will make hiking harder, the narrower side decks were drawn for ergonomics but you do lose a bit of internal space.

 

....with the narrow sidedecks the interior space would go from 'tiny' to a bit smaller than tiny,,,,whereas you'll gain a fair bit of sailability

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1333355204[/url]' post='3654002'] .......the wider side decks will make hiking harder, the narrower side decks were drawn for ergonomics but you do lose a bit of internal space.

 

....with the narrow sidedecks the interior space would go from 'tiny' to a bit smaller than tiny,,,,whereas you'll gain a fair bit of sailability

Here's mostly narrowed sidedecks, from the inside. I also cut away the arched bit that further restricts the opening on the stock plans.I've spent some time back there recently rigging stuff under the deck, and I can say definitively that no fun will ever be had back there by anyone older than 6. My daughter thought it was cool that the space was her size...

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Hugs not drugs... some people should put down the bong...

 

Not demoting and have no interest in buying a K6, just pointing out the facts which you appear oblivious to. Production boats are stealing the thunder of the i550. Four years ago the i550 was hot shit and the talk of the town, but new (or revived) production sporties are taking the spotlight these days. Watershed needs to ask themselves WHY? Where has their business model failed?

 

Harsh words? You bet your ass... this is of course ANARCHY!

 

Failed business model? Define success, because I must not know the definition.

 

New sporties taking the spotlight? Hmmm... Is it marketing? or ADD perhaps? Have the "new sporties" destroyed the lightning fleet yet? or the star fleet? or the boat named after a burr that hurts your ass when you sail it?

 

Ripping a page from the Anarchist's cook book isn't going to help you build an i550 fleet.

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Good words Lummux.

 

Anarchy is an interesting idea to examine. In its purest sense it is the absense of rules. Individuals acknowledge a common goal or purpose and cooperate toward that end. It is based on the idea of honest transparent intention and action, not individual's agendas and actions which are destructive. There are rules of conduct everywhere: Racing Rules, traffic rules, OD rules, restricted developement rules (the i550), rules in Sailing Anarchy.

 

In any association there are standards of behavior which, if someone stays within the bounds of agreed upon acceptable behavior, they can function as a participant. A very small number of individuals in any group act unacceptably and subsequently become isolated and a liability to others of the group. Sometimes they are mindful of their bad behavior and exercise self control.

 

In some instances the bad behavior is just ignorance. Remaining ignorant is not credible. It leads to (my) conclusion of malicious contempt by an individual to the standards of behavior most others abide by. Too bad rule 69 cannot be used when one guy runs his mouth destructively or engages in activity harmful to others.

 

In an Anarchy isolation and shunning is the price paid for bad behavior. Eventually people tire of you and you have a team in name only.

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You can also just do away with the cabin and flush deck it.

 

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While most have a rounded top, like the PDX boats, we were actually going to put a cabin on this one and changed our minds so we have the removable panels that are the same shape as a cabin, just a bit ... shorter! Actually, if I wanted to camp out on this boat, I would come up with a canvas cover or "cabin" to gain headroom for the ...., well, head. Then put a boom tent on it rather than try to sleep in the cabin.

 

It goes nicely with our inboard rudders by the way. Did you notice our 1.1% advantage on those side decks? (inside joke.)

 

We missed our March goal (Don't you just hate it when working gets in the way?) but "Frank" will be sailing in 2 weeks.

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Lummux,

It is very early in the history of the i550. Put a stick in your i550 and sail it. the reason that there are Max dimensions is for righting moment calculations and to establish a max height. If it is shorter get a couple phone books so you can adjust the mast base and height to suit. going taller doesn't get you anything but slower.

 

 

Totalxs-- Frank is looking like he is near birth. The measurement team will determine the beer penalty for the side deck infraction. It is not if there is an infraction but how much you will be assessed. micro brew is preffered

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.......the wider side decks will make hiking harder, the narrower side decks were drawn for ergonomics but you do lose a bit of internal space.

 

....with the narrow sidedecks the interior space would go from 'tiny' to a bit smaller than tiny,,,,whereas you'll gain a fair bit of sailability

Here's mostly narrowed sidedecks, from the inside. I also cut away the arched bit that further restricts the opening on the stock plans.I've spent some time back there recently rigging stuff under the deck, and I can say definitively that no fun will ever be had back there by anyone older than 6. My daughter thought it was cool that the space was her size...

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There is not much room in there to do anything. I am starting to think that it would be better to go for the portland curved foredeck no cabin option and just send the kids down to retrieve sails etc.

If I go for a minimal cabin such as the PDX style, will it still meet the criteria for the Australian Trailer and Sportsboat org?

 

Tim

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