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Looking in from afar, seems that the South Shore is very quiet these days.

 

Grew up in Rochester sailing an "R" boat and family cruisers out of Sodus Bay YC back in the 60-70's, now in SFBay where we do have wind.

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I was bartending at SBYC for LYRA in '74 or '75. Missed racing, but it was a great party.

 

Had one of the Toronto R boat crews decide to "cool down" the bar at 0200 with a garden hose, and then wake the crew at 0800 with bagpipes on the foredeck.

 

Glory days...

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100 boats registered for the 100 miler this weekend....Predict Wind isn't getting any better but still an awesome race.

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The 8 Metre World Championships are starting this weekend and are hosted by the RCYC. Racing starts Sunday with the practice race at 1300, and 1100 everyday except Thursday for the rest of the week. 5 countries are represented this year and 12 boats will be on the course, 6 moderns and 6 classics including the King of Norway's 8M "Sira". Both of the Canada's Cup boats, Yquem for the USA and Hollandia for Canada will also be racing but not with Canada's Cup crews. Racing will take place south of Centennial pier with each race scheduled to be around 2 hours in length. 2 races a day are planned. Hopefully the weather cooperates and we have some good racing.

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I'd love to hear from the Gramps guys how their race went. Must have really kept her moving. I'm curious what times they rounded marks and point of sail.

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The Gramp Guys would love to share with you! Buy me a beer and a few rum chasers and I will tell all! We basically ran the rhumb line on a reach from start to finish with the exception of a bit of a nasty touch coming into Niagara when we had to beat into 20 knot gusts. We were side by side all the way with Onawa and Puffin until just before the big shift at Niagara and then lost Onawa, after the turn we chased Puffin all the way to the finish. They were reefed so we were able to hang onto them up the entire leg. Gramps love to reach it is definitely their fastest point of sail!

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Well done gents

Fun race!!!!!!

Well done gents

Fun race!!!!!!

Looks like the two old guys on the old gramp were up to their tricks again in LOSHRS - Race #6 . The Cook had domestic duties for Race #5 or might have been a clean sweep for #'s 4,5 and 6!

Well done gents

Fun race!!!!!!

Well done gents

Fun race!!!!!!

Thanks Pearl, missed you this weekend did you do Dalhousie?

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I was in Toronto Wednesday. The all yacht clubs are having problems with the water level of Lake Ontario. One club has docks 5 inches below the water level. And water levels peak in June so I was told?

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Can anyone explain why LO PHRF does not publish a full rating list with boat models? I am a PHRF rep in another region, and LO is one of the only places where I can't check ratings vs what they report to US Sailing. I would love to be wrong and find out that there is a list I can look at which includes boat models.

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LO PHRF does not publish class lists so that boat owners have to actually get a certificate.

They may provide a list on request for you in your role as a handicapper.

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15 minutes ago, Tax Man said:

LO PHRF does not publish class lists so that boat owners have to actually get a certificate.

They may provide a list on request for you in your role as a handicapper.

why would you not publish the list, and require that the racers submit a pdf of their certificates?

If local clubs want to dodge the need for current certs, they can just take out of region numbers...

 

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I contacted a helpful PHRF LO admin and got most of the information I was looking for.

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So there was some guy from Ontario Sailing on CBC this morning and he was implying that clubs were cancelling racing and regattas.

Does anyone have any clear news on this? I know QCYC starts their season this morning (in spite of much of the land base being under water), what about ABYC Open? Is it a go?

 

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PCYC has started racing around the cans. Looks like the first race with any wind will be tonight. 

SHTR (going to be cold) has 81 entered and the 300 has 77......can't wait!

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, tripper_dave said:

So there was some guy from Ontario Sailing on CBC this morning and he was implying that clubs were cancelling racing and regattas.

Does anyone have any clear news on this? I know QCYC starts their season this morning (in spite of much of the land base being under water), what about ABYC Open? Is it a go?

 

Dave,

We're currently trying to figure out what to do with the regatta in anticipation of water levels rising still higher in the coming weeks. Hopefully we'll have some kind of notice out to competitors in the next day or so.

Stay tuned for updates on the club website www.abyc.on.ca as well as the Facebook Event and through LORC.

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there were carp swimming in the parking lot at apsc the other day.

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Looking forward to ABYC on Saturday, at least the long range forecast doesn’t call for rain (yet)

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Some great post race entertainment this Saturday at ABYC The Paul James Band at 3 pm, followed by the Suburban Outlaws at 7 pm.

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Svanen what are they thinking? I have seen the people that use the Ideals. They certainly are not up to the VX. Royals must be trying to attract a totally different group. Maybe they will keep both fleets.

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I know what you mean. RCYC is more of a country club (two swimming pools, lawn bowling, multiple tennis courts, squash, etc.) than a sailing club; and outside of some round-the-cans stuff in 8 metres and J/105s, it is not really active in racing. Perhaps they hope to change that.

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Svanen, you are right about the pools, lawn bowling and tennis, sadly on the rest you are mistaken. Other than PCYC, I'm not seeing much competition from the north side of the lake for racing....which isn't saying a lot about others. 

It's a club sponsored fleet and I imagine there will be 15 by summer 2019. The Ideals will remain in place for a few more years at least as a LTS boat. 

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Agreed, PCYC currently seems to be where it's at from a racing perspective. But National and ABYC also appear to have more active racing programs than RCYC.

RCYC is a decent club. It charges hefty dues, but so what: all the country club amenities - which a majority of its membership presumably value - have to be paid for. Some people say that it is snobby, but I have never found that to be the case.

What occasionally lets RCYC down are the pretensions of some (not all) of its members. It isn't 'the senior club in Canada' (for whatever that title is worth): RNSYS is. It isn't 'home to the best sailors in Canada' ... no one club is. And the fact that it has a royal warrant: yawn, so do many, many others (e.g., RBVIYC, RHYC, RLWYC, etc. etc.). 

It's just one of many options open to Toronto sailors looking for a club: nothing more or less.

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Off the top of my head, the country club you guys speak of has in the last 12 months, hosted 8metre worlds, Canada's Cup, Opti worlds(must've been a hundred entries from South and North America, Caribbean, Europe, Asia), Shark worlds...maybe some that I'm missing?...Admittedly I don't pay much attention to whatever PHRF or beercan racing is going on during week nights and maybe this is stronger at some other clubs...I do like that PCYC has a couple of Melges 32s to duke it out on a regular basis though...

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No question RCYC is big in 8 metre racing: which now includes the Canada's Cup.

Hosting events is great as far as it goes, but doesn't really mean much without active club participation. IIRC, the recent Shark Worlds had about a dozen boats competing from the club. Meanwhile, most RCYC Sharks sat idly by, their owners apparently couldn't be arsed (why even bother owning a Shark if you're not into racing?). And the last time the Shark Worlds were in Canada (2015, Britannia YC), only three RCYC boats competed.

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A club raced shark that stays in the water all season has zero chance to compete in this type of race, so please go easy on the aging but very active fleet of club level shark sailors!!

As for Canada's Cup participation, to say that the club merely hosts the event from time to time ignores history, point blank. The fact that the club is strong in 8 metres is merely another chapter in the long history of the Cup. Up until the last challenge, the boat of record in recent years has been Farr40, and aside from the PCYC Vincere challenge, the last many challenges came from the country club, both training and race boats owned by members, training programs financed by members,  and many of the Corinthian crews comprised of club members. 

I will say, I dropped by PCYC one weekday evening last summer for a pint, happened to be in the area, and the beercan race scene seemed pretty active, and pretty chilled as well.

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I've attached some info on the RCYC VX program, were nearly at 2 containers which will mean 14 VX's by next summer. A few other clubs on the north shore have expressed interest and are welcome to attend the info session. The idea is to have them participate in midweek racing from May - September, join in on 3 - 4 weekend regattas and also have 3 - 4 one day regattas through the summer. We are planning to keep the Ideal 18 and Sonar fleets as Club owned and used by their respective user groups for the foreseeable future. I'd also like to add that we do have a fairly active youth sailing program, approximately 300 youth go through it each summer, and spring and fall sailing is around 60 participants. 

We do want to see more active sailing at RCYC and the VX is one of the avenues that hopes to achieve that. 

 

 

   2017 - Kwasind VX ONE.pdf 

 

 

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Interesting to see all the Toronto posters. Maybe the VX will help Royals find a new group of younger active sailors. Someplace for those jr club graduates to go.

Re history, i go back to Poona when there was great competition among Olympic caliber corinthians. Big boats and dinghies.

Wheres the Pope on this subject?

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On 2017-09-29 at 11:05 AM, fufkin said:

[A]side from the PCYC Vincere challenge, the last many challenges came from the country club, both training and race boats owned by members, training programs financed by members,  and many of the Corinthian crews comprised of club members.

RCYC's longstanding dominance of Canadian challenges and defences is described pretty thoroughly in Doug Hunter's Against the Odds: the incredible story of Evergreen and the Canada's Cup (1981). Anyone interested in the country club should read that book.

On 2017-09-29 at 2:22 PM, Cunningham said:

I've attached some info on the RCYC VX program, were nearly at 2 containers which will mean 14 VX's by next summer.... I'd also like to add that we do have a fairly active youth sailing program, approximately 300 youth go through it each summer, and spring and fall sailing is around 60 participants. 

We do want to see more active sailing at RCYC and the VX is one of the avenues that hopes to achieve that.

Thanks for this information. Best of luck with your VX program! Anything the club can do to promote sailing by its members is worthwhile.

You make a fair point about the youth sailing program being active. I recall RCYC did well at this year's Steerer's Junior Regatta. 

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Took the cover off earlier this week expecting to do the VC 17 this weekend -- not. Curling up in front of the fire instead jeesh.

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Anyone have a pic of  what is said to be a Moran 38 hung up on the rocks at the entrance to Bluffer's Park or what the backstory is?  There was apparently no salvage going on this weekend but can't imagine there won't be today.

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Thanks 515  - saw a crane working under floodlight  in that area last night so I assume they were pulling it . 

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Came across the lake from Sodus to Whitby two days ago. Mast down on the Bristol 45.5 since the new owner needs to do some rigging and it is easier with the mast down. For most of the 17 hr trip the water temperature was 0.6 to 0.8 °C. Dressed very warmly but still cold on the feet for some reason. Started the trip in Grenada so a hell of a difference.

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I’ve crossed the lake 4 times since April 30; 3 under kite and one White sails.....

215nm under the keel so far this season. Did 33nm Wednesday night alone in a warm flat northerly. Best sail of the season so far

Its chilly, but get out there and enjoy every chance you get.

Susan Hood Race in 5 days time, 92 boats registered

 

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Who is planning on coming to the CanAm in Youngstown this year? Registration is now open and we have has a good amount of interest in the big boat fleet. The Farr 40 from Buffalo has registered, with the Farr 47 and a 40.7 also interested in coming down from Lake Erie. I would like to help fill this fleet with other big boats from the North Shore and Rochester (and beyond). The big boat fleet can be raced in either IRC or PHRF, whichever the fleet would prefer. Early registration will help us plan the best way to have great racing and a ripping party.

ALL PHRF BOATS are enthusiastically welcome regardless of size. We will have both flying sails and non-flying sails, divisions.

In addition to our typical one-design fleets of 8 Metres, Beneteau 36.7's, J/88's, Laser 28's, C&C 29's, Tripp 26's, J/70's, Melges 24's, J/22's, and multi-hulls, any fleet that can bring 4-5 boats can have their own one-design fleet or will be welcomed in the PHRF classes.

We will have great bands, cheap booze, and top-notch race management, as always!

https://www.yachtscoring.com/emenu.cfm?eID=6161

 

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On 1/4/2019 at 9:58 AM, 'Bacco said:

Who is planning on coming to the CanAm in Youngstown this year? Registration is now open and we have has a good amount of interest in the big boat fleet. The Farr 40 from Buffalo has registered, with the Farr 47 and a 40.7 also interested in coming down from Lake Erie. I would like to help fill this fleet with other big boats from the North Shore and Rochester (and beyond). The big boat fleet can be raced in either IRC or PHRF, whichever the fleet would prefer. Early registration will help us plan the best way to have great racing and a ripping party.

ALL PHRF BOATS are enthusiastically welcome regardless of size. We will have both flying sails and non-flying sails, divisions.

In addition to our typical one-design fleets of 8 Metres, Beneteau 36.7's, J/88's, Laser 28's, C&C 29's, Tripp 26's, J/70's, Melges 24's, J/22's, and multi-hulls, any fleet that can bring 4-5 boats can have their own one-design fleet or will be welcomed in the PHRF classes.

We will have great bands, cheap booze, and top-notch race management, as always!

https://www.yachtscoring.com/emenu.cfm?eID=6161

 

Bump. We are hoping for a great turnout this year and will be having a feeder race for those boats going on to LYRA right down the lake.

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It's +6 today... Sailing on the mind. It's still very early but only 12 boats signed up for LYRA so far. 

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On 3/11/2019 at 9:29 AM, Broseidon said:

It's +6 today... Sailing on the mind. It's still very early but only 12 boats signed up for LYRA so far. 

Now at 17 registered for LYRA. It's looking like a very good turnout for this year's event. Lots of OD fleets anticipated: Olson 30's, Etchells, J/80's, J/27's, 8mR, R-Class. Possibly Sharks. Plus all the stalwart IRC and PHRF boats.

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1 hour ago, sierrawhiskeygolf said:

Now at 17 registered for LYRA. It's looking like a very good turnout for this year's event. Lots of OD fleets anticipated: Olson 30's, Etchells, J/80's, J/27's, 8mR, R-Class. Possibly Sharks. Plus all the stalwart IRC and PHRF boats.

Signed up and ready for LYRA. Should easily get to a fleet of 10 for the Etchells, hoping some of the boats from the other lakes make the trek could easily get that number to 20 boats. J/80's only one signed up so far but the rest will follow. J/27's you'll get the regular 8-12. looking like a great event! and thats only three of the fleets.

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An awesome video from LYRA 2018....

https://vimeo.com/312855870?fbclid=IwAR0FuZnb-xCTZse_n0gcCxR5FMgiYHlMsUwPi_NvbiMPVeoN_l77QrBR55w

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21 boats registered for LYRA. Etchells fleet established. It's going to be a tremendous week of racing. People who are doing CanAm at YYC can use the Founders Cup 2 from YYC to Oakville and make it a 2-weekend event!

The Shark fleet has committed as well and could bring upwards of 24 boats. Sharks will be based in BHYC for the event.

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Trying to convince the Tripp 26 fleet to head over after Can AM. There's a few C&c 33-2's in oakville wonder if they might get a 1 design turnout. 

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On 3/22/2019 at 2:48 PM, Broseidon said:

Trying to convince the Tripp 26 fleet to head over after Can AM. There's a few C&c 33-2's in oakville wonder if they might get a 1 design turnout. 

That would be great! We have one Tripp 26 registered as of now. We usually have a one-design fleet for them. We would love to have the C&C 33's. Even if we don't get enough for a one-design fleet, we do have PHRF fleets as well.

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Wish my crystal ball will predict what's going to happen to the lake levels this year.  Looks like we're about to get mucked by the IJC again.

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Army Corps of Engineers are predicting another 11 inches over 30 days - spring thaw and nowhere to send it.

One of the restrictions on how much they can release through the dams is safe navigation in the Seaway.  I guess freighters don't steer well in an 8 knot current.

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I like this tool for water levels on the lakes.

NOAA Great lakes dash board

Use the slider at the bottom to open up more history to the right of the graphs.

You can see how much more full everything upstream of us is this year.

We're definitely feeling it on the islands right now and seemingly there's lots of damage going down right now in the Muskoka's too.

 

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Fingers crossed that the south shore doesn't take another pounding.

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I'm certain the water will all stay North of the border clinging to our shoreline and we'll postpone any harsh Northerlies until August. You'll be fine.

In the plus column, looks like I'll get to moor inside the lagoon at Man Duck island this year while cruising.

 

 

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When I see what's upstream of us, I get concerned.

All wavy blue graphs are monthly averages of great lakes. Top is Superior, next is Michigan / Huron, next is Erie, bottom is Lake Ontario.

The green dots on the right are provisional averages for the month so they are likely only half way to where they are going to go this month for the bottom four lakes.

Bottom red graph is up to the minute reporting for Toronto harbor. Fluctuations track wind direction closely so a big Easterly hurts over here. Currently we're only 5cm short of the recorded 2017 peak for Toronto. Ottawa river is coming back to a second flood stage this week and Montreal is still on the verge of being exceedingly wet so it seems they'll be holding back LO as best they can for the foreseeable future.

Get your deck boots out for sail past once more.

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 So far LOCA is reporting:

 

CLOSED TO VISITORS UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE

Alexandra Yacht Club – closed to visitors until water levels stabilize below the top of their seawall.

Cathedral Bluffs Yacht Club – closed to visitors until further notice.

Harbour City Yacht Club – closed to visitors until further notice.

 

OPEN TO VISITORS

Bluffer’s Park Yacht Club – open to visitors.

Lakeshore Yacht Club – open to visitors although vacancies depend on members visiting elsewhere as they are full.

Mimico Cruising Club – open to visitors.

Newport Yacht Club Stoney Creek – open to visitors.

Whitby Yacht Club – open to visitors.

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Susan Hood race evening of Friday 31 May overnight 75+ miles.

Crew wants advice on best way to dress for warmth and comfort.

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11 hours ago, Lowly Crew said:

Susan Hood race evening of Friday 31 May overnight 75+ miles.

Crew wants advice on best way to dress for warmth and comfort.

Whatever you normally wear at home while your crazy friends do that race. 

:)

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15 hours ago, Lowly Crew said:

Susan Hood race evening of Friday 31 May overnight 75+ miles.

Crew wants advice on best way to dress for warmth and comfort.

Layers, it's the 4:00 am watch that kills you. Lake temp is only about 7.2 C degrees so that's what temp you'll be all night long at best, it'll be 4 degrees colder just a few feet down so any mixing from breeze makes it even colder.. So bust out your long johns and long sleeve tees.

I would do two layers of long johns plus some light pants plus my Salopets. Up top I'd also have multiple layers I can ditch if I have to. Toque is mandatory, plus two pairs of gloves of different weight. If I'm driving, I'd have ski gloves available plus some lighter gloves if I am working the lines etc. It ain't a fashion show and you're hiking with all that kit on so get cozy. Bring spare socks and have some decent boots.

Finally, I'd have pockets stuffed with some chocolate snacks, it most certainly eases the pain. Make sure you can heat some coffee down below, it goes a very long way towards making a happy watch. As does any hot food that can be served in a dog bowl.

Now of course it'll end up being Africa hot, so bring your bug spray because those little fuckers just seem to pop up out of the lake itself when it gets hot.

Check your weather, Susan Hood was the weekend Barrie got torn up with Tornadoes. Anything can happen this time of year.

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Another cheap dirty trick for cold sailing, particularly if its wet, is a pair of dishwashing gloves under everything. If you get totally soaked, they act like a wetsuit and keep your digits functional for along time after they might otherwise have shut down due to cold.

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be sure to keep your skin dry.  if you get wet feet, fingers, then dry them and put on dry socks and glove liners before your watch.  Know where your towel is, and bring changes of socks and glove liners.   There is also this penguin theory of staying warm, which is to boost your metabolic rate, and eat salty snacks to elevate blood pressure.  But that is a bit more complex.

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On 5/20/2019 at 7:39 PM, Lowly Crew said:

Susan Hood race evening of Friday 31 May overnight 75+ miles.

Crew wants advice on best way to dress for warmth and comfort.

This isn’t rocket science, it’s an early season overnighter...

Appropriate safety gear, technical layers with spares for the extremities, keep things dry if possible, and don’t forget something better than a ball cap for nighttime.  Also bring a set of shorts, t, and sunscreen just in case the wind dies and the sun burns through.

Oh yeah, bring coffee too!

Successful SHTR rides I’ve been onboard run the Hood as a 75 mile sprint that just happens to be overnight and could get a little chilly.

So layer up, go out, be safe, and have fun.  

And nobody mention the green garbage bag incident again, ok?

Cheers!

 

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Well at ABYC over the weekend it was going up and down probably 10" in a 20-40 minute cycle.

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2 minutes ago, blunted said:

Well at ABYC over the weekend it was going up and down probably 10" in a 20-40 minute cycle.

Huh????  Explain?  Dashboard link is useful, thanks, @blunted.

Navigation on the Ottawa River has been banned for a while, so not much sense in launching here, yet, unless one wants to pick a fight with the authorities.  I find the notion that "they", even that "we" can place an outright travel-ban on such a huge section of navigable waterway atrocious.  Apologies for thread-drift.  Lac Deschenes != Lake Ontario.

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3 hours ago, bacq2bacq said:

I realise we can get some wind-tide effects, but @Crooked Beat:  it's a "lake". 

So, 'bout the same as the south shore I reckon.  ;)

I was wondering more about the clubs in Toronto. How are they doing? There are a lot more clubs on the north shore than the south. 

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ABYC's basin has no exits so is prone to seiches - flow has nowhere to go and stacks up.  Think of it as water sloshing in a bathtub.

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Clubs in the Bluffers Park basin just east of downtown Toronto have docks underwater, and the power to docks turned off. 

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CAN AM Cancelled due to high water. Outflows are still higher than what was previously allowed and no relief seen yet. 

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2 minutes ago, T.Dirty said:

Anyone have news from the 300?

Seeing Flight Simulator RTD with "crew safely aboard USCG vessel"??

His Corsair Cruze 970 capsized off Oak Orchard. Everyone is safe and accounted for. The boat is still adrift and marked with a strobe. Efforts are being made to recover the boat today. 

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On 7/15/2019 at 1:42 PM, T.Dirty said:

Anyone have news from the 300?

Seeing Flight Simulator RTD with "crew safely aboard USCG vessel"??

Cold front brought a scary looking thunderstorm with it Saturday afternoon, we only saw about 30 knots but pretty much instantaneously. Sounds like it varied quite a bit across the fleet - this is what flipped Flight Simulator.

Wind shut of and heat turned on in classic LO300 form right as most of the fleet approached Niagara. The faster boats had better timing getting there.

Flies weren't quite as bad as anticipated given the high water, but they were there.

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