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J133 - Getting up to speed

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Hi,

 

Brand new to the forum, but I have been reading forever ...

 

Just wondering if anyone can point me towards some tips to making the J133 go.

 

I found some polars hidden away on the form, but I haven't been able to find out anything about tuning, trimming and driving these boats.

 

Stepping up from a J35, so looking forward to the new boat.

 

Thanks!

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never knew a 133 was a sport boat... go figure. guess that makes a 109 an ULDB... sweet.

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never knew a 133 was a sport boat... go figure. guess that makes a 109 an ULDB... sweet.

 

 

No, it's just that all the smart advice from experienced sprit boat pros is on this forum. I read this forum up and down great stuff.

 

I'm finding that about all I read is the Sportboat forum.

 

The best info is on this forum followed by multi, gear and cruising. Not the B.S. found other places.

 

So don't make me look like an idiot....how do you get a 133 up to speed?

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never knew a 133 was a sport boat... go figure. guess that makes a 109 an ULDB... sweet.

 

 

No, it's just that all the smart advice from experienced sprit boat pros is on this forum. I read this forum up and down great stuff.

 

I'm finding that about all I read is the Sportboat forum.

 

The best info is on this forum followed by multi, gear and cruising. Not the B.S. found other places.

 

So don't make me look like an idiot....how do you get a 133 up to speed?

 

Drive it off a cliff :lol:

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Not the greates start to your posting career was it ?. :lol: Welcome nonetheless

 

What's your headsail configuration ?

 

UK based Anarchists should chip in as the boat has done reasonably well there under IRC especially offshore. One chose to race with a #3 (JB3) and one with a #1 (Jeronimo)

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You ahve the polars so thta' a big start. I'm sure Jeff Johnstone would pitch in with some advice, and he should have soem computer polars in more detail for you.

 

After that you just go out and try things don't you, get a feel for the new boat, and decide what setup and angles work best?

 

and give yourself a year to figure it out.

 

If I could give one piece of advice for a skipper running a programme it would be:

 

pick a team who's company you enjoy, who get on well, and who are decent sailors, then:

 

give boat speed responsibility to a trimmer

give tacics to a tactician

give boat handling procedures to a crew boss, then

 

Just drive and nothing else.

 

let your "team" take care of trim, tactics and handling, and have faith in them.

 

not rocket science, but how many do this?

 

once you do you will be racing faster than ever before, and have a more committed team around you as well as they are far more involved.

 

have fun.

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Kent, sure the sprit may be a shared feature

 

but the manner in which a sportsboat reacts ( due to SA/D and DLr extremes) means that it will have little in common ?

 

In fact we have a symmetric ( large-ish kite) sportsboat here that would act far more similarly, than some lead walloper

 

in any case he wasn't asking about kites/downwind in particular , it's an all round n00b question really about a walloper/cruiser with a nice table downstairs

 

really there would be some Sbers that would know more about how to make a dinghy go than a big shitter, wrong forum

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Hi,

 

Brand new to the forum, but I have been reading forever ...

 

Just wondering if anyone can point me towards some tips to making the J133 go.

 

I found some polars hidden away on the form, but I haven't been able to find out anything about tuning, trimming and driving these boats.

 

Stepping up from a J35, so looking forward to the new boat.

 

Thanks!

 

making a J133 go... hmm...

Go get some beer, wine and steaks... Go find some good company and go cruising.

comfy looking boat indeed.

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cruising anarchy then?

 

125304.jpgphaaark the granite benchtop option ways 1/2 as much as my boatspeed 23 keel did

 

and the pot plant more than an SB rudder

 

hey frayed that flickmixer would be popular at the hardstand for washing down the sporties

 

wotatosser

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Some suggestions:

 

1. Get rid of the backstay, sporties don't need them.

 

2. Get rid of the winches, you can save a lot of weight that way. Go 2-1 on your jib sheets and 4-1 on the main sheet.

 

3. Get rid of the traveler and use a bridle. GNAV on and easing the sheet will help you depower when needed.

 

4. Get rid of the VANG and add a GNAV. It really frees up cockpit space for the crew.

 

5. Get rid of the wheel and add a tiller with extension.

 

6. Take off all of the lifelines and add some hiking straps. You can work your crew harder for righting momentum and save some weight.

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You ahve the polars so thta' a big start. I'm sure Jeff Johnstone would pitch in with some advice, and he should have soem computer polars in more detail for you.

 

After that you just go out and try things don't you, get a feel for the new boat, and decide what setup and angles work best?

 

and give yourself a year to figure it out.

 

If I could give one piece of advice for a skipper running a programme it would be:

 

pick a team who's company you enjoy, who get on well, and who are decent sailors, then:

 

give boat speed responsibility to a trimmer

give tacics to a tactician

give boat handling procedures to a crew boss, then

 

Just drive and nothing else.

 

let your "team" take care of trim, tactics and handling, and have faith in them.

 

not rocket science, but how many do this?

 

once you do you will be racing faster than ever before, and have a more committed team around you as well as they are far more involved.

 

have fun.

 

Hey thanks for the boat specific advice

 

As per the M&W sketch... specialist subject the Bleedin' Obvious

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that's the track you need, take a look back at the approach that j100 took for Key West 08 (?).

Right back into the shed and drop another $150k on mods -

off with most of the keel bulb

get some nice big wings made up (removable for transport of course)

Add at least another 10 ft on top of the rig (same amount added to pole)

get a nice big squaretop main

shouldn't affect rating too much if you get the johnstones to do the work at the factory (call it limited customer options).

see you at KW10....

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Some suggestions:

 

1. Get rid of the backstay, sporties don't need them.

 

2. Get rid of the winches, you can save a lot of weight that way. Go 2-1 on your jib sheets and 4-1 on the main sheet.

 

3. Get rid of the traveler and use a bridle. GNAV on and easing the sheet will help you depower when needed.

 

4. Get rid of the VANG and add a GNAV. It really frees up cockpit space for the crew.

 

5. Get rid of the wheel and add a tiller with extension.

 

6. Take off all of the lifelines and add some hiking straps. You can work your crew harder for righting momentum and save some weight.

7. Don't get rid of the POT PLANTS, the Queensland SB boys won't buy it then

 

then again you own 5 Nthn NSW dope farms nr. Nimbin for less

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nice boat! sail on one myself in the UK. if you're usually sailing in sub 10kt breeze you might want to think about the larger headsails. we use the non overlaping on ours but it gets sticky in under 7kts she's quite a heavy boat after all, so needs the horsepower. after 10 kts she's got plenty of power. almost scary!

 

they eat main and jib sheets!

 

As someone said up there don't pinch (unless you really have to)

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You ahve the polars so thta' a big start. I'm sure Jeff Johnstone would pitch in with some advice, and he should have soem computer polars in more detail for you.

 

After that you just go out and try things don't you, get a feel for the new boat, and decide what setup and angles work best?

 

and give yourself a year to figure it out.

 

If I could give one piece of advice for a skipper running a programme it would be:

 

pick a team who's company you enjoy, who get on well, and who are decent sailors, then:

 

give boat speed responsibility to a trimmer

give tacics to a tactician

give boat handling procedures to a crew boss, then

 

Just drive and nothing else.

 

let your "team" take care of trim, tactics and handling, and have faith in them.

 

not rocket science, but how many do this?

 

once you do you will be racing faster than ever before, and have a more committed team around you as well as they are far more involved.

 

have fun.

 

Hey thanks for the boat specific advice

 

As per the M&W sketch... specialist subject the Bleedin' Obvious

 

 

Obvious?.....of course!!

 

regularly done?.......no!!

 

biggest impact on race pace?......yes!

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