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The Naked Beach; Part Deux

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After requests to split some info out of the Tybee stuff, I started this one for Thursday through Saturday. Here's the report from last night's front page.

 

Clean Report

Four Knot Shitbox

 

While Nacra 20s and F-18 catamarans are about the last thing you think of when you hear the dreaded 4KSB term, when the wind gets light enough, everyone's got a shitbox. That's what happened during today's 100-mile leg of the Tybee 500, and at 11 PM as I write this story, just 6 boats of 24 have landed on the beach. With 3-7 knots on the course, the racing was all about playing the clouds, with runaway winner Mischa Heemskerk doing the best job of it by far. Only his girlfriend Carrie Howe kept close, and despite Mischa's 40 minute delta at the finish, the two F-18s were locked tight until just a couple of hours from the beach. “We separated around one cloud and finally got some distance on them,” Mischa told me. “Then we saw smoke from a ship and it told us there was shift and pressure inshore, and that's what let us create such a big gap to the rest of the teams.”

 

The volunteers and shore crews will party on the beach until the last cat is home - at this point, it looks like that means 4 AM - and they have to do it all again tomorrow morning on the leg to Daytona.

 

We're finally getting some good videos up - we actually beat Mischa to the finish for the first time - not a huge accomplishment given the hour - but our new Flip camcorder is working well for interviews, while a brand new HD Sanyo is supposed to show up at the hotel in the morning. Technology to the rescue!

 

Be sure to check out Sailing Anarchy TV for dozens of clips from the race - one tip is to press “pause” on the player to let the videos load before watching them - and check out more awesome pictures from Mer, as well as Team Velocity's update for more information. Check out the OTW Anarchy thread for weather, smack talk, and all the links you need.

 

5/14/2009

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I don't like to grumble, and I tend to not bitch.

But there's "naked" in the title, though not in the recital,

Which has me thinking "bait and switch."

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From the official website, posted early, early this morning. Note that our own Tad and Bailey on TVS2 was the last in to the beach after 3 AM. He ain't feeling well!

 

"...so stick with us here for the downhill side of the mountain these sailors have been ascending… without oxygen. The Cocoa Beach checkpoint continues the tradition of using up a team’s dwindling reserve, testing mettle and straining relationships, and forcing the RC to break out the night-leg equipment. Only one team walked up the beach in daylight, and only one other was able to find their way off the beach without a flashlight as the last of the sunset bled away. We collected up the last of our flock shortly after 0300 Hours – though the spindrift kept us and all of our gear wet all night, we were treated to a pretty spectacular moonrise, so I think we came out ahead on the karmic front.

Does my typing sound tired? It is. We’ll have more for you up the beach later today – for the time being, know that our sailors are safe and appear to be ready to challenge the next leg of this marathon. Watch this space."

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Breeze just turned on out of nowhere. 15 kts at the hotel. Probably just isolated to a cell, but who know. Weather info to follow.

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From the National Weather Service...(for Cocoa Beach, FL)

 

Today: A slight chance of showers, with thunderstorms also possible after noon. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 82. Southeast wind between 10 and 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 20%.

 

Tonight: Partly cloudy, with a low around 72. East southeast wind between 5 and 10 mph.

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And this camera: http://www.cocoabeachsurf.com/BeachCam1.htm

 

I think these camera links are organized where right to left is south to north.

That means this is the last camera from this company where we'll see the boats.

 

-= Rich

 

 

10:54 ESt and I see them from the Port Canaveral-Jetty Park Cam!! Moving well across the horizon!

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Holy crap you cannot believe the size of the squall we just drove through - god help them if they hit this thing!

 

Videos loading now of a very frustrating start for the teams, especially Carrie and JC. Just enough surf to knock the boats back, and no breeze to get through it. Trey got the best start with Ryan (see interview yesterday) pushing like a freight train. Carrie just couldn't get through, getting bounced north as everyone else worked their way out.

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A little heads up for y'all. We're compressing and loading five good interviews from the start, and four great start videos, including JC and Carrie getting washed down the beach for ten minutes before finally getting through the breakers. Also a pic of this storm we're in now...

 

Will update you when videos are loaded, and then we are going offline for the rest of the day. If we do not catch up on other work we have to do, we will not be able to cover the rest of the event, so this is going to be our afternoon off - that will let us do the job we need to tomorrow and Saturday.

 

It would be great if y'all could continue the great job you are doing assembling other info and posting it here. Thanks from Mer and me...

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First of the videos are up, and I really like this little camera! New one just landed at the front desk as well...yippee!

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Here is a shot of the squall we just went through. No real electricity at all, but MAN what a shitload of rain. Only wind is right at the edges, and these things are just building and building as they head for the coast.

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Also, Mer will be posting her pics before we go offline - she's got some great stuff from this morning.

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Holy crap you cannot believe the size of the squall we just drove through - god help them if they hit this thing!

 

Videos loading now of a very frustrating start for the teams, especially Carrie and JC. Just enough surf to knock the boats back, and no breeze to get through it. Trey got the best start with Ryan (see interview yesterday) pushing like a freight train. Carrie just couldn't get through, getting bounced north as everyone else worked their way out.

 

You're not from around here are you?! Blinding rain and wind (sometimes up to 60 mph) is common.

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Dude, I live in Charleston - we get the same boomers that y'all do in the summer - but being on a beach cat in one is not something I'd look forward to!

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Alright y'all - the final video from this morning is only 0:18 away from being done, so feel free to run over to SA-TV and check it out. Note that this is the last day of crappy camera footage - well, of footage from crappy cameras. The same crappy videographer will still be behind the lens, but the new camera is THE SHIZNIT!

 

Stay tuned for Mer's pics as soon as we check into this hotel. Wind is nice right now on the edge of another cloud, but was super light until just a minute ago.

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2 PM update from the deck of our hotel, looking down on some pool babes and the finish lane. Nothing in sight on the horizon, but decent breeze here. Surf's up too, chest height and frequent period and building. Maybe tomorrow's start will be excellent.

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Breeze hovering around 6-7 knots at the moment. Nothing on the horizon yet.

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The boats with the Spot trackers appear to be jibing up the beach, averaging in the high single digit speeds, and about even with the Haulover Canal in Mosquito Lagoon, putting them ~35-40 miles out.

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I expect they'll show up on these surf cams - if you watch carefully.

Some of these sites have local weather readings too - fwiw...

 

Listed South -> North:

 

New Smyrna Beach

http://www.surfline.com/surf-report/flagle...e-florida_5327/

http://www.surfline.com/surf-report/new-sm...h-florida_4420/

http://www.inletcharleys.com/surf-report/index.shtml

 

Ponce Inlet

http://www.progressivesports.com/web_cam.php (not sure how often this one updates)

 

Daytona Beach

http://www.sunglowpierlive.com/sunglowpiersouth.php

(Sunglow Pier North & South - not sure where South view is relative to T500 landing site...

Sunglow Pier = Crabby Joe's restaurant, if that helps someone tell us if it's anywhere close)

 

-= Rich

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Note that the Surfline cameras (New Smyrna Beach) only let you see 30 seconds of video...

 

That's understandable since they sell decent access (including a HD stream)

for local surfers.

 

But, it sucks since we just want to "visit" to see our fleet go by. Oh well...

 

-= Rich

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Team CHUMS/Corpus had a very difficult time getting through the surf this morning. I think we probably went 1/4 mile down the beach with them before they were able to punch through. But they did it, with only a minimum amount of "god-dammits" from Corey. It was a bit hair-raising at times (I guess it was the 2-4 foot waves slamming into us). Sharon and I weren't the best of help for this part of our job (but she will win the prize for hottest Team Manager)as between the two of us we weigh 190 pounds and we were far outweighed by the boat. Luckily some big strong yummy men helped. I love this race.

Someone lost a daggerboard on their way out. We found it in the surf and managed to pass it along to Team C/C to hopefully get to it's rightful owner out there. We reckon they might need that.....

More updates later. Right now, the laundry has to get to the dryer and it's time for a beer.

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Kites on the Daytona horizon...blue and yellow I think

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It is ASTONISHING how close these boats are, still a long way off. We can only make out what is going on through Mer's 200mm lens, then zoom way in on the screen, but they look like they are a boatlength apart. Wind is down to about 2 knots, surf is almost head high. Will be an interesting landing.

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There's 8 boats visible from our room without binoculars. I reckon the first landing will happen within the next 20 minutes.

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Here they come! (at 2 knots)

 

Royal Green drifting toward the beach, Ferrar and Schreyer just behind, Trey and Alan just behind, with two specks on the horizon waaaaay out to sea - guess who?

 

Carrie and Mischa!

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So in the slowish winds of today, we have three Nacra 20s ahead of the two Hobie Tigers? Right? Maybe it's not all about skill after all? This is good stuff!

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And they finish 1-2-3 just like that.

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GO KEY SAILING!!! yee ha!!!

 

catsailor.com sez the next two are Royal Yelo and Cat Fever

 

GO DA TAWD!!

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from the twitter:

Stray Cats - 19:29:56

Royal Yellow - 19:31:25

 

Claude says:

Seacats Orange - 19:35:56

 

 

Claude says:

Team Cat Fever - 19:41:38

 

 

Claude says:

Royal White - 19:44:06

Royal Orange - 19:45:54

 

Claude says:

Whike.com - 19:49:59

Magic Marine - 19:50:23

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Breeze has picked up, good news for the 15 still out there. Got vids, will get them up shortly.

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They're all jumping in the hotel pool with their gear on, laughing like hell. Vids almost up, light completely gone.

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Not sure what's going on right now - not enough light to see shit, but someone posted a nice video of the Hollywood finish two days ago on YouTube. Check it:

 

 

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Goddamn every sailor in the place is watching videos, because my upload went from 140 kb/s to 20 kb/s. That's fast to diiirt slow!

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Hahaha I'm one of them!

 

Dude, this is incredible! I finally had a spare moment to sit down and crack open a laptop to see what you've been up to.

 

Fantastic. Kite worked better today.. Tends to work better when its not coming unglued at the seams.

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Glad you had a better day, mate. Sorry I didn't catch your finish from up here on the 6th floor, but damn it's nice to get away from all your stinky clothes!

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Dude my soggy kneepads are so going under your pillow at the next hotel :P

 

FYI the wireless sucks here. I think it always has iic.

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Nope, it was blazing fast about 4 hours ago - at least, compared to the rest of the trip's stops.

 

 

Breeze building nicely here on the porch.

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FINISH VIDS ARE UP!

 

Here's the first one, newer ones are up the channel bar. Not that exciting, actually - but still cool as hell.

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I have not gone to sleep yet. Fuck me.

 

It is HOT. There is NO WIND. Mer passed out at 6:30. I am going to take a nap for an hour and then go shoot boats. Someone wake me.

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Any chance of an interview with Seacats White? Two really nice guys gettin' beat up by Ol' man Tybee. Good on you fellas! You're a hell of a lot tougher than I am.

 

Great coverage. The "lingering death" finishes are captivating. There are all sorts of stories about cats being destroyed there, in similar conditions. Years ago there was a black H18 magnum that just got pulverized! The owner spent an hour or so picking pieces out of the surf!

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4 boats washed back on the beach, 2 w possible rudder damage, 4 more still can't get out of the breakers, and 15 minutes after the start are almost 3/4 mile down the beach, still getting pummeled by the surf. Once again, no breeze at the start! Vids loading...

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4 boats washed back on the beach, 2 w possible rudder damage, 4 more still can't get out of the breakers, and 15 minutes after the start are almost 3/4 mile down the beach, still getting pummeled by the surf. Once again, no breeze at the start! Vids loading...

 

 

CLEAN, Which boats?

 

Any idea?

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TVS 3 (Brad and Don) and the boat that is sponsored by Kokotat, not sure who it is and can't tell from here. Everyone else making their way to the north.

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Clean. You are going to love the 8am start tomorrow.... :lol:

 

2 boats left on the beach, both with rudder damage. One rudder cracked about 2/3rds of the way down.

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Thanks. Great coverage, hopefully your doings will bring this race into at least the general sailing public eye and get more people interested.

 

..and go Accelerated Chaos.

 

-Nathan

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There were quite a few spectators on the beach this morning, lots of questions being asked and answered about what the Tybee 500 is. It is really spectacular to watch these boats try to move through that surf.

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Wait til you see the vid from the 6th floor C

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I have a lot of trouble seeing any of the videos and yes, I have updated the Adobe Flash thingie or whatever it is I needed. And yes, I try to hit pause to let it completely download. I finally gave up trying to watch any of them. I'll come up and watch them on your computer. Got beer?

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I have a lot of trouble seeing any of the videos and yes, I have updated the Adobe Flash thingie or whatever it is I needed. And yes, I try to hit pause to let it completely download. I finally gave up trying to watch any of them. I'll come up and watch them on your computer. Got beer?

This hotel has the fastest connection yet, but I'll let you play later tonight. First start video is up, second is up and good action, third is crazy, I couldn't stop filming even after five minutes of boats getting pummeled in the break.

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This hotel has the fastest connection yet, but I'll let you play with my extremely hot wife later tonight. First start video is up, second is up and good action, third is crazy, I couldn't stop filming even after five minutes of boats getting pummeled in the break.

Fixed that for you.

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Nice. Tonight is our first drinking night - we finally finished (mostly) that huge project and now it's fucking on. Bring your helmet.

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Here is the final start video - 6 minutes of some mighty good sailors getting pounded by water and sand. I am going back to sleep, then waking Mer up so she can drive me north while I get wrecked on this cheap Irish vodka I bought, if you can believe that (Boru)

 

If the video is jumpy, press pause and let it load for a few minutes before watching - it's a 60 MB file.

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Here is the final start video - 6 minutes of some mighty good sailors getting pounded by water and sand. I am going back to sleep, then waking Mer up so she can drive me north while I get wrecked on this cheap Irish vodka I bought, if you can believe that (Boru)

 

If the video is jumpy, press pause and let it load for a few minutes before watching - it's a 60 MB file.

 

Clean,

 

When you wake up. It might be a good day to interview some pushers especially the ones for the teams that punched through the surf early. They are a important part of this race and it might be fun to get the perspectives from the good ones.

 

-Nathan

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Here is the final start video - 6 minutes of some mighty good sailors getting pounded by water and sand. I am going back to sleep, then waking Mer up so she can drive me north while I get wrecked on this cheap Irish vodka I bought, if you can believe that (Boru)

 

If the video is jumpy, press pause and let it load for a few minutes before watching - it's a 60 MB file.

 

That was tough to watch Clean... thanks for the vid.

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Last boat made it through the surf and are headed north. The other boat is loaded onto the trailer headed north. And soon, I guess I have to get my shit together and head north as well.

You're on for the drinking tonight Clean.

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tell her Carv said hello

Will do. I'll even grab her ass for ya.

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tell her Carv said hello

Will do. I'll even grab her ass for ya.

 

I just realized you are not Mainsheet Girl anymore.........

 

Carry on.

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Man is it nice to not have to work. On something else! We made our way along A1A to flagler and stopped for a cheeseburger at a roadside sweet shoppe, and came down to the water to see if they'd passed by yet. TV3 was just passing. By romping in the swell at 12+ knots and we're behind the fleet!

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Hey Mr. Clean

 

Mischa gets a 40 minute penalty for "entering the exclusionary zone" but no penalty for failing to round a mark of the course. And you are our silent reporter on the beach, chatting up the women. Let's see some on camera interviews with Chuck, Mischa and the other competitors. Can you choose which marks to round (or not) in the Tybee 500? It is so unlike you to ignore problems like this.

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Hey Mr. Clean

 

Mischa gets a 40 minute penalty for "entering the exclusionary zone" but no penalty for failing to round a mark of the course. And you are our silent reporter on the beach, chatting up the women. Let's see some on camera interviews with Chuck, Mischa and the other competitors. Can you choose which marks to round (or not) in the Tybee 500? It is so unlike you to ignore problems like this.

 

The SI seem a bit "wishy washy", but if you do not sail the course, then you should be DSQ.

 

I was once DSQed in the Rolex Cup, particularly the Around St John's Race, because I rounded the wrong mark. This missing of the mark shortened my distance around the island by about 200 meters. We finished the race well over an hour ahead on corrected time and even more on elapsed time, however we did not complain. The course is the course and you should sail the same course as the others.

 

The organizers of the T-500 should consider that they could loss any right to sail in the area.

 

What do the other readers think?

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Hey Mr. Clean

 

Mischa gets a 40 minute penalty for "entering the exclusionary zone" but no penalty for failing to round a mark of the course. And you are our silent reporter on the beach, chatting up the women. Let's see some on camera interviews with Chuck, Mischa and the other competitors. Can you choose which marks to round (or not) in the Tybee 500? It is so unlike you to ignore problems like this.

 

The SI seem a bit "wishy washy", but if you do not sail the course, then you should be DSQ.

 

I was once DSQed in the Rolex Cup, particularly the Around St John's Race, because I rounded the wrong mark. This missing of the mark shortened my distance around the island by about 200 meters. We finished the race well over an hour ahead on corrected time and even more on elapsed time, however we did not complain. The course is the course and you should sail the same course as the others.

 

The organizers of the T-500 should consider that they could loss any right to sail in the area.

 

What do the other readers think?

 

I think Mischa made a mistake, was assessed a penalty as the race organizers saw fit, and that's the end of it. Was the penalty fair? Who knows... but it was their call. As for Clean, he's interviewed Mischa and others, and there sure as hell isn't anything wrong with chatting up the women on the beach as long as he posts the videos of it!

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Hey Mr. Clean

 

Mischa gets a 40 minute penalty for "entering the exclusionary zone" but no penalty for failing to round a mark of the course. And you are our silent reporter on the beach, chatting up the women. Let's see some on camera interviews with Chuck, Mischa and the other competitors. Can you choose which marks to round (or not) in the Tybee 500? It is so unlike you to ignore problems like this.

 

The SI seem a bit "wishy washy", but if you do not sail the course, then you should be DSQ.

 

I was once DSQed in the Rolex Cup, particularly the Around St John's Race, because I rounded the wrong mark. This missing of the mark shortened my distance around the island by about 200 meters. We finished the race well over an hour ahead on corrected time and even more on elapsed time, however we did not complain. The course is the course and you should sail the same course as the others.

 

The organizers of the T-500 should consider that they could loss any right to sail in the area.

 

What do the other readers think?

 

I think Mischa made a mistake, was assessed a penalty as the race organizers saw fit, and that's the end of it. Was the penalty fair? Who knows... but it was their call. As for Clean, he's interviewed Mischa and others, and there sure as hell isn't anything wrong with chatting up the women on the beach as long as he posts the videos of it!

 

 

Ha! This reminds me of one of RTI races a number of years back. Heading west toward Pensacola, we were supposed to stand well out to sea of Hurlburt AFB but the shore breeze was much better so most of the leaders were within a mile of shore. There was some dinky little powerboat with a blue flashing light that looked as if it had been stolen from a K-Mart and a cheesy little bullhorn siren buzzing around yelling at people but there was 40-50 cats and only one of him. I sure wasn't going to alter my proper course for this numb nut.

 

Right about then, this Minuteman-type rocket blasts off the restricted base and screams out into the gulf right overhead.

 

Fifty catamarans tacked in perfect unison like one big marching band.

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To the Noob:

 

 

#178345 - Today at 01:46 PM Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: Cary Palmer]

Mary

Carpal Tunnel

 

Registered: 11/12/02

Posts: 5139

Loc: Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... As far as I personally am concerned, I think that not going around any of those required marks should mean disqualification from the race, regardless of whether the reason for shortcutting is ignorance or arrogance.

 

Until this year, there was only one required mark in the Key Largo Steeplechase, and that was at the Key Largo Sheraton. We always had spotters at the hotel to make sure all the boats rounded it. If a boat skipped it, that boat would be disqualified from the race. And that mark was just required for publicity purposes for one of the race sponsors.

 

A required mark is a required mark, no matter what the reason. It should not be something that can get off with a time penalty. There is no way to assess a penalty for something like that in advance in the rules, and anything assessed after the fact is going to be arbitrary, and unfair to others in the race.

 

Disqualification is the only proper verdict, and it should be in the rules. But that's just me, and I am old school, from the years that when you hit a mark, and nobody saw you, you dropped out of that race and requested a DSQ.

 

I'll leave it to other SAers to give the Noob the traditional welcome.

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I'll see what Mischa has to say about the mark. The reason the rules are somewhat open is because the remedies are a moving target arrived at by the grand poobah. That's just the way it is.

 

Funny little vids loading from our chase along the way. Boats aren't far now, trucking. We saw maybe four boats offshore south of Jax beach with kites, a bunch more close to shore two-sail reaching. Speeds are up, the thermal is in, and the surf is manageable. And as soon as I get these vids up, I'm going down to the tiki bar to get a drink and wait for the boys and girl. Mer told me that I can't survive on one hour of sleep, and I pulled a line from Roadhouse on her: "I'll get all the sleep I need when I'm dead."

 

Mischa and Carrie aren't tracked, the tracker shows Trey ahead right now. Go the Anarchy Challenge!

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Clean- when you were hanging around in Cocoa beach for ages, could you not at least have tried tracking down everyone's "favourite" local resident, and dragged him to the beach to show him what sailing actually is?

 

Other than that- fantastic stuff so far.

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To the Noob:

 

 

#178345 - Today at 01:46 PM Re: TYBEE 500 HOTLINE [Re: Cary Palmer]

Mary

Carpal Tunnel

 

Registered: 11/12/02

Posts: 5139

Loc: Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... As far as I personally am concerned, I think that not going around any of those required marks should mean disqualification from the race, regardless of whether the reason for shortcutting is ignorance or arrogance.

 

Until this year, there was only one required mark in the Key Largo Steeplechase, and that was at the Key Largo Sheraton. We always had spotters at the hotel to make sure all the boats rounded it. If a boat skipped it, that boat would be disqualified from the race. And that mark was just required for publicity purposes for one of the race sponsors.

 

A required mark is a required mark, no matter what the reason. It should not be something that can get off with a time penalty. There is no way to assess a penalty for something like that in advance in the rules, and anything assessed after the fact is going to be arbitrary, and unfair to others in the race.

 

Disqualification is the only proper verdict, and it should be in the rules. But that's just me, and I am old school, from the years that when you hit a mark, and nobody saw you, you dropped out of that race and requested a DSQ.

 

I'll leave it to other SAers to give the Noob the traditional welcome.

 

I guess I come from a more laid back generation... Isn't sailing a race, especially one as long, drawn out, and involved as this supposed to be about fun and loving sailing? Why DSQ someone for an infraction that was penalized and isn't going to cause some great change in the grand scheme of things? Just my thoughts, you may dump on the n00b if you feel the need... :-)

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17 boats are in, and I'm on my third vodka at the tiki bar. Shitloads of video loading now...

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17 boats are in, and I'm on my third vodka at the tiki bar. Shitloads of video loading now...

 

Clean, after all is said in done, I want your honest opinion of offshore, long distance beach cat racing. I get the impression you've never really experienced the fun before :)

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First Nacra 20 to the beach - go Anarchy Challenge!

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From the Tybee site:

 

Seacats White just called us and reported a broken rear beam. They're limping the boat to the finish - hopefully. We've got em about a mile and a half from the finish

 

I just saw the boys from TVS3 - blew out their gudgeon at the start, bent it back, lost their kite halfway through, powered through and ar here before sunrise. Nice!

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And TCDYC fcking rocks! Way to go Chris and Aaron! :ph34r: And I can honestly say I've crewed with both! Gotta love south Texas beach cat racing ;)

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17 boats are in, and I'm on my third vodka at the tiki bar. Shitloads of video loading now...

 

Clean, after all is said in done, I want your honest opinion of offshore, long distance beach cat racing. I get the impression you've never really experienced the fun before :)

Oh, you'll have it Sunday night no doubt. Truth is I have read up on the Tybee/Worrell and spoke to a number of participants before coming down here, so I knew what to expect. What I didn't know was just how much more in common the race has with a Baja 1000 or a 5-break-in-5-day surf tour than any kind of sailing I've ever seen. The folks are chill, the racing excellent, and the whole scene is so much more about the people, the friends, fixing broken shit, hanging out with your bros until 2 AM waiting for more bros to land, and getting drunk.

 

This is a lifestyle like all of sailing, but here it's just more obvious.

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tell her Carv said hello

Will do. I'll even grab her ass for ya.

thanks....iou

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17 boats are in, and I'm on my third vodka at the tiki bar. Shitloads of video loading now...

 

Clean, after all is said in done, I want your honest opinion of offshore, long distance beach cat racing. I get the impression you've never really experienced the fun before :)

Oh, you'll have it Sunday night no doubt. Truth is I have read up on the Tybee/Worrell and spoke to a number of participants before coming down here, so I knew what to expect. What I didn't know was just how much more in common the race has with a Baja 1000 or a 5-break-in-5-day surf tour than any kind of sailing I've ever seen. The folks are chill, the racing excellent, and the whole scene is so much more about the people, the friends, fixing broken shit, hanging out with your bros until 2 AM waiting for more bros to land, and getting drunk.

 

This is a lifestyle like all of sailing, but here it's just more obvious.

 

My bad, apparently you DO understand ;) Welcome to our world. See you in Texas?

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So, been watching this all week. (Great job Clean as always). I am hooked, sign me up. I am seriuosly going to look into this. Here is the question........F18 or 20. It seems the 18's are kicking the snot out o' the 20's why? Besides crew that have sailed together and all. Is it a better boat. Common sailing sense says waterline and sail area are king. Not in this case.

 

I await your valued input! :)

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Alan &Mer

Fucking breakthrough media!

You finally got to the heart of this insane gig

rock on brother

here

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So, been watching this all week. (Great job Clean as always). I am hooked, sign me up. I am seriuosly going to look into this. Here is the question........F18 or 20. It seems the 18's are kicking the snot out o' the 20's why? Besides crew that have sailed together and all. Is it a better boat. Common sailing sense says waterline and sail area are king. Not in this case.

 

I await your valued input! :)

With the f18s having been more than competitive here you'd be insane to go N20. Along with this style of racing the F18 also offers large national and international fleets (worlds capped at 160 teams) and the ability to choose your ride and gear from a range of suppliers.

 

Next tybee will have more f18s than N20s mark my words.

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I just realized you are not Mainsheet Girl anymore.........

 

Carry on.

I will always be MSG. It's in my nature. :P

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So, been watching this all week. (Great job Clean as always). I am hooked, sign me up. I am seriuosly going to look into this. Here is the question........F18 or 20. It seems the 18's are kicking the snot out o' the 20's why? Besides crew that have sailed together and all. Is it a better boat. Common sailing sense says waterline and sail area are king. Not in this case.

 

I await your valued input! :)

With the f18s having been more than competitive here you'd be insane to go N20. Along with this style of racing the F18 also offers large national and international fleets (worlds capped at 160 teams) and the ability to choose your ride and gear from a range of suppliers.

 

Next tybee will have more f18s than N20s mark my words.

 

Or the Nacra 20's will get a modern chute and decent main sail from a quality sailmaker.

 

The F18's should only have an advantage when it's blowing 15 or more.... the problem is the rig is just dated.

both boats weigh about 400 lbs carry crews of 340 to 400 lbs and are 8.5 feet wide. The 20's should have an advantage in the light stuff... but they can't sail the same angles up the coast.

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From the Tybee site:

 

Seacats White just called us and reported a broken rear beam. They're limping the boat to the finish - hopefully. We've got em about a mile and a half from the finish

From the Tybee site:

 

"They didn't have a broken rear beam, the beam ripped the glass it was bolted to right out of the hull"

 

 

ouch.

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