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Kevin's fin is ready. Bulb is poured and will be faired before shipping. I expect them to be out of here beginning of February.

With Kevin's boat getting ready to be launched in couple of months now, we have a special offer for USA. Please check here for more info.

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We have installed an under deck beam which was not originally planned. I had some concerns that a person jumping from a dock might screw up the boat. Serhad and Jim had similar thoughts and had already placed one in the Windseeker build. The limited clearance between the underside of our deck and the edge of the retracted sprit required a wider beam with a pile of laminate. Ed has taken the finished rudder stock on a field trip to have a visit with a bearing maker today. The tiller is well along it's way to be finished. Peter has been fine tuning the chine and I still need more time with the 8 foot long board along the bottom's centerline. I think that we will be able to spray the bottom with the first coat of primer next weekend. With the rudder stock finished the shaping of the rudder blade has begun.

Kevin

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Hi Ben,

Yesterday we sprayed the bottom and topsides with Grey 545 primer. I have yet to decide on a color it may end up starting line white.

Kevin

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Battleship Gray? Shoots a 2.5" projectile out the bow.

Looks great, enjoy the longboard.

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Looks great! Is it an optical illusion or just the color? I think the bow and forefoot on Kevin's boat looks quite a bit sharper than the Turkish boat from W Race Boats.

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Hi Sea Dog,

Yes you are correct. I looked at how much putty it would require to striaghten the line out and decided to keep the natural hollow in the transition to the plumb bow. In truth there is not a lot of difference in the hull volume.

Kevin

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Looks great! Is it an optical illusion or just the color? I think the bow and forefoot on Kevin's boat looks quite a bit sharper than the Turkish boat from W Race Boats.

 

What I see is that Kevin has a slightly tighter profile curve at the bottom of the stem, which makes it look sharper and generates the slight hollow in the waterline Kevin mentions.

There would be no affect in performance.

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Thanks gentlemen, I appreciate your explanation.

Really love the design and the work done by

Kevin and Windseeker.

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I have with great interest followed Kevin's building project and doing some planning for a similar one back home here in Finland. To get a better understanding of the costs and the amount of work involved, do you have some kind of time & cost follow-up of the project that you would be willing to share?

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I have with great interest followed Kevin's building project and doing some planning for a similar one back home here in Finland. To get a better understanding of the costs and the amount of work involved, do you have some kind of time & cost follow-up of the project that you would be willing to share?

 

Costwise I think it will not be more advantageous than one of our boats. If you want to experience the thrill is is something else... If you are interested in something btween get in touch with me we can supply a kit for you. We had 2 full time workers working in our boat you can have a look at our thread and make a calculation.

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Bits and pieces. The hull has had another coating of primer. This one will be sanded with 180 grit and the 900mm boards. The tiller is getting faired and ready for primer and we have successfully plastered the rudder blade. Oh, and the deck pungies have been cut.

Kevin

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Kevin, I wonder if anyone will figure out what the deck pungies are for...........See you Friday . Winchgrinder

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Kevin, I wonder if anyone will figure out what the deck pungies are for...........See you Friday . Winchgrinder

 

Deck integrated stantion dicks.

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Test fitting of the G 10 wonder pungies and the rudder begins to take shape.

Kevin

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Hi Ben,

We have laminated a solid carbon fiber tailing edge on the rudder blade and the rudder itself is getting a final round of fairing before the side skins are applied. Today Ed and I have been drilling the holes through the shear for the stanchion pungies. We needed to lift the boat up a bit so the drilling jig would clear the floor. I will post some more photos before the end of the week.

Kevin

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The first four of twelve stanchion puggies are installed through the shear clamp. More of these will be glued in today and once we have all of them in they will be covered with a couple of layers of biax cloth. I picked up the two custom winch riser sheaves which lift the winches about 25mm. The sheaves spin freely on needles bearings. Beautifully machined.

Kevin

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Project update

Pungies are all in and the stanchions fit over them. Bow and stern pulpits are being fabricated. The trailer has been ordered and its constructioin should begin in a few days. The photos are of the hull recieving pads. We built two sets, one will become a cradle with dolly wheels for use in the shop and the other set will be bolted to the trailer supports. Yesterday we laminated the first two of three layers of carbon on the rudder. Later today we will build a molded Potting head for the top of the keel. This will be taken off the keel reccess in the bottom of the hull. The keel fin and bulb have arrived from WindSeeker Yachts the builder the production version of the boat. Rudder photos soon.

Kevin

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The rudder is pretty much done.

Kevin

 

That thing looks evil...

 

There must be a reason based on advanced fluid dynamics for that rudder to take the profile of a Thuggee implement of human sacrifice?

 

And where do I get one?!?

:ph34r:

 

FB- Doug

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The rudder is pretty much done.

Kevin

 

That thing looks evil...

 

There must be a reason based on advanced fluid dynamics for that rudder to take the profile of a Thuggee implement of human sacrifice?

 

And where do I get one?!?

:ph34r:

 

FB- Doug

 

 

Maximum lift at minimal drag synchronized with the structure.

Nature has arrived at similar solutions:

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The rudder is pretty much done.

Kevin

 

That thing looks evil...

 

There must be a reason based on advanced fluid dynamics for that rudder to take the profile of a Thuggee implement of human sacrifice?

 

And where do I get one?!?

:ph34r:

 

FB- Doug

 

 

Maximum lift at minimal drag synchronized with the structure.

Nature has arrived at similar solutions:

 

Damn near Poetic, JD. A thing of beauty.

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6.025 kg (13.27 lbs) with one layer of biax to go.

Kevin

 

Kevin, you're not in Bermuda?

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And we would like to thank our sponsor....!

 

;-)

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The rudder is pretty much done.

Kevin

Kevin,

 

What does your tiller weigh now?

Hey Jim Donovan, Kevin did not respond to your question about the tiller's weight....it come in at a rather ponderous 2.2 # , as I recall....... The last layer of Carbon went onto the rudder late this afternoon, and they're right, it does look EVIL..... Regards to all,,,,,Winchgrinder69

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The rudder is pretty much done.

Kevin

Kevin,

 

What does your tiller weigh now?

Hey Jim Donovan, Kevin did not respond to your question about the tiller's weight....it come in at a rather ponderous 2.2 # , as I recall....... The last layer of Carbon went onto the rudder late this afternoon, and they're right, it does look EVIL..... Regards to all,,,,,Winchgrinder69

 

Thanks WG69

 

So from the top down:

Tiller: 2.2 lbs

Upper Bearing: .55 lbs

Bearing Tube: 1 lb

Lower Bearing: .55 lbs

Rudder: 16lbs

Total Rudder/Tiller Assembly: 20.3 lbs

 

My wt estimate had a 30lbs allowance (heavier bearings)

Not bad Kevin!

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The boat looks great. I like the idea of the stanchion puggies.

where did you get them from? Do you have their contact details?

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Hi Doug2,

The g10 rods came from Current Manufacturing in East Haven, Connecticut.

 

Today I picked up the bow and stern pulpits.

Last night we sprayed primer on the hull. We will be doing a little keel fitting and with a little luck the boat should be right side up before the end of the week.

Kevin

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Hi Doug2,

The g10 rods came from Current Manufacturing in East Haven, Connecticut.

 

Today I picked up the bow and stern pulpits.

Last night we sprayed primer on the hull. We will be doing a little keel fitting and with a little luck the boat should be right side up before the end of the week.

Kevin

 

 

Kevin, It is really a joy to behold !! Carefully gaze at the entry the hull will make as it effortlessly glides along at 15 + knots........Winchgrinder69

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whats the scoop on the new boat?

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Jim Donovan just checking to make sure it's right. So if the keel isn't in straight now I can say it was designed that way.

Kevin

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it doesnt need to be straight, look at all those canters out there, they swing them around all over the place, apparently it doenst matter if it is plumb or not.........OK Joking, dont go stressing........or hurling abuse my way. Does look good.

 

Seriously Kevin. I assume that the keel is not tapered if you can use a level to check its alignment?? I would have thought it tapered towards the bottom.....just an observation. Trust me I have no idea what I am talking about, just a huge fan of these boats!!!!!

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it doesnt need to be straight, look at all those canters out there, they swing them around all over the place, apparently it doenst matter if it is plumb or not.........OK Joking, dont go stressing........or hurling abuse my way. Does look good.

 

Seriously Kevin. I assume that the keel is not tapered if you can use a level to check its alignment?? I would have thought it tapered towards the bottom.....just an observation. Trust me I have no idea what I am talking about, just a huge fan of these boats!!!!!

 

 

Jim is using a spacer in the picture on the right.....

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it doesnt need to be straight, look at all those canters out there, they swing them around all over the place, apparently it doenst matter if it is plumb or not.........OK Joking, dont go stressing........or hurling abuse my way. Does look good.

 

Seriously Kevin. I assume that the keel is not tapered if you can use a level to check its alignment?? I would have thought it tapered towards the bottom.....just an observation. Trust me I have no idea what I am talking about, just a huge fan of these boats!!!!!

 

 

Jim is using a spacer in the picture on the right.....

 

Good call Herb - we used about 4 different ways to position the fin just to be absolutely sure it was in straight.

The level w/spacers was not the primary method and just for a quick check.

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Is the leading edge of the keel blunt, as if it needs a kelp cutter or fairing?

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Jim, would you consider yourself a hands-on designer? I am impressed with the boat, and with the amount of effort you put forth to show it to the rest of us. Kevin, I also appreciate your efforts in bringing us along on this build.

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Jim, would you consider yourself a hands-on designer? I am impressed with the boat, and with the amount of effort you put forth to show it to the rest of us. Kevin, I also appreciate your efforts in bringing us along on this build.

 

 

You saw the pictures above, right? Then there is the thread on the 20-footer he built....

 

Pretty hands-on.

 

Is the leading edge of the keel blunt, as if it needs a kelp cutter or fairing?

 

 

Good observe! Kevin would say "yes" and "yes".

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So I'm guessing that is orange Chockfast fitting the keel fin?

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Jim, would you consider yourself a hands-on designer?

 

If by 'hands on' you mean: build a boat in a garage with only the assistance of a useless beer-guzzling peanut-gallery,

then that would be a YES.

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Jim, would you consider yourself a hands-on designer?

 

If by 'hands on' you mean: build a boat in a garage with only the assistance of a useless beer-guzzling peanut-gallery,

then that would be a YES.

 

Hey J. Donovan...We resemble that " useless beer-guzzling peanut gallery " remark !! Regards, Winchgrinder69

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I was thinking about writing something smart-alec about that artistic hole in the foredeck but thought the better of it. The GP is a beauty and a milestone in persistentence Kevin.

And JD I hope your audience at least delivered occasional Golf Claps for your efforts.

Timber

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I was thinking about writing something smart-alec about that artistic hole in the foredeck but thought the better of it. The GP is a beauty and a milestone in persistentence Kevin.

And JD I hope your audience at least delivered occasional Golf Claps for your efforts.

Timber

 

The "artistic hole in the foredeck" is for a round hatch, which is the best shape for spinnaker launches & take-downs.

 

Launching well forward of the shrouds has a big advantage; keeps the spinnaker clear of the spreader/shroud "clamp" that can stop a hoist when you launch from the companionway.

 

With a retrival system hooked up inside the boat that hatch will allow the spinnaker to get sucked inside the boat well forward of all the action in the cockpit during a mark rounding.

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How do you set up a retreval line on a small boat like this Jim? Is it left perminently hooked up like a dinghy, or does somebody need to re-run it after each drop more akin to a big boat?

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How do you set up a retreval line on a small boat like this Jim? Is it left perminently hooked up like a dinghy, or does somebody need to re-run it after each drop more akin to a big boat?

 

Talking to Kevin about this the other day. Best system in my opnion is similar to a big boat system with a roller inside the boat just aft of the fordeck hatch, and the retriever line led all the way aft and then out to the cockpit so the spinnaker trimmer can pull the spinnaker in the boat.

 

If you always drop on the port side the spinnaker is set for a normal port rounding bear-away set and you never need to unhook the retrival line.

I prefer weather strips coming in on port at the bottom mark because it keeps the spinnaker on the weather side of the jib so it can't go floating off under the boat or on top of the boat to leeward.

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These pieces make up the fairlead that allows the shroud to pass below deck. The tubes will be cut flush and the inside edges smoothed to limit chafe.

Kevin

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Kevin I am a little confused (not hard really!!!) These tubes will have the shrouds passing through them to the chainplates below decks???? Do you then backfill with a flexible sealant or leave it open and thus water below decks??? As you know I have no idea about most of this stuff but I am really loving the details of the construction. I hope you dont mind the numbing questions.

 

Mick

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Boat looks great, I was looking back and saw the carbon frames in the middle of the boat for the keel/rig loads. I didn't see the shroud attachement points, and I'm assuming there will be a shroud attachment point coming up thru the pictured fittings, and tensioning will be done above deck?

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The "artistic hole in the foredeck" is for a round hatch, which is the best shape for spinnaker launches & take-downs.

 

Why the "square" on the Windseeker boat?

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The "artistic hole in the foredeck" is for a round hatch, which is the best shape for spinnaker launches & take-downs.

 

Why the "square" on the Windseeker boat?

 

Hull1 round hatch, the standart.

Hull2 in Hk square hatch, owner preference.

Hull3 in progress, standart as of now...

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Finally all white and shiny. Flat grey nonskid will start going on later this week.

Kevin

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Boats looking really good kevin. How much longer do you think till she hits the water?

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Hey Kevin, I need some love where are the picks of the non-skid!!!! Crappy end to the week, a cold beer and some cool pics of a cool boat would make it all go away!!!!

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Pictures of the non-skid will be posted soon. The deck and cockpit have been sanded a prepared for paint and the application of the non-skid will start Wednesday afternoon. We laminated the mast collar today and the spar came out of Hall's autoclave the end of last week. I will install the mast collar before the non-skid goes on the cabin top.

Kevin

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What are you using for a mast collar?

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The two coats of paint (non-Skid) are on the cockpit sole and deck I have one more to go and that should happen this afternoon. The mast collar was made from e-glass (biaxle and uni) wrapped around a padded out section of the mast.

The photos seem to make the light gray deck appear lighter in color than it is.

Kevin

PS taping will come off tomorrow.

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Fine tuning of the keel bulb. 445kg is the max so we are getting close.

Kevin

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Kevin,

Thank you for taking the time to share the build with us. The quality of your work is impressive!

What did you use for non-skid?

Who's building the mast?

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I always wondered, why the cutouts in the cockpit? It seems that they are optional, but what are they used for?

 

-jim lee

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Hi Jim,

Do you mean the round holes in the de-watering boards? If so, they are for inspection ports. The space under the boards are technically air tanks. The winters are cold here in New England so any water in the board will freeze.

Kevin

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Hey Kevin, boat is looking great. Thanks for keeping us all up to date. It really is a priviledge to be able to watch.

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I mean the missing cockpit sides. Where you sit, the deck is like a shelf that you could slide things under.

 

-jim lee

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Jim from my limited understanding I think the original design had no side walls but the Windseeker guys are doing a model with sides because the owner wanted them (one of the other threads has it). From what I can gather it is personal taste.

 

I am sure Kevin or Jim will correct me if I am wrong.

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I always wondered, why the cutouts in the cockpit? It seems that they are optional, but what are they used for?

 

-jim lee

 

weight saving?

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Well. if I -really- wanted to know the answer, I guess I could always just walk up the road and ask Mr Donovan. I was figuring there was some big deal everyone knew about and I was, as always, missing.

 

-jim lee

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Well. if I -really- wanted to know the answer, I guess I could always just walk up the road and ask Mr Donovan. I was figuring there was some big deal everyone knew about and I was, as always, missing.

 

-jim lee

 

Aesthetics, pure and simple...and somewhat more expensive.

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Well. if I -really- wanted to know the answer, I guess I could always just walk up the road and ask Mr Donovan. I was figuring there was some big deal everyone knew about and I was, as always, missing.

 

-jim lee

 

Aesthetics, pure and simple...and somewhat more expensive.

 

yes aesthetics and a little of AC technology by trasferring weight from sides to cockpit sole. (probably some minimal effect)

definetely more expensive because of time required. It is optional for our boats. Hull1 demo boat is like Kevin's, Hull2 in HK more conventional style

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I will post photos soon. Much has happened since my last update. Full report in a day or two. Kevin

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Stanchions and pulpits are mounted. Support bars for the aft two stanchions are being welded today. Mainsail traveler is in.

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I will post photos soon. Much has happened since my last update. Full report in a day or two. Kevin

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Kevin, looking really good. Lots of work since I was there, it has only been two weeks. Again sorry I missed you but glad I got to see the boat. It really is looking good.

 

Have you taken more off the bottom of the rudder??? The couple of pics with it in the background look like it is more tapered at the bottom than I thought.

 

Are you going to fill the shroud holes once the shrouds are installed or do they remain open??

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was just showing the wife the pics and the three year old boy (who came in with me to see it) just walked up and said, "hey dad, thats the boat we went and saw. It looks good." He makes me so proud, he has quality sailor genes in there!!!!

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Hi Lance,

 

I certainly hope so. I am still missing some critical parts. However, I am optimistic we will see them soon! We have found a place to move the boat with a ceiling height high enough to install both keel & rudder.

 

The attached photo shows the spherical rudder bearings on the rudder shaft & bolts threaded to the bottom of the keel fin. You can also see the bottom of the kelp cutter track. The leading edge has been glassed over and the blade slot will be re-cut after fairing.

 

Kevin

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Hi Lance,

 

I certainly hope so. I am still missing some critical parts. However, I am optimistic we will see them soon! We have found a place to move the boat with a ceiling height high enough to install both keel & rudder.

 

The attached photo shows the spherical rudder bearings on the rudder shaft & bolts threaded to the bottom of the keel fin. You can also see the bottom of the kelp cutter track. The leading edge has been glassed over and the blade slot will be re-cut after fairing.

 

Kevin

 

Is there a supplier for these spherical rudder bearings or are they just custom machined?

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The bearing are custom. They were made by Tri Star manufacturing in Massachusetts.

Kevin

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looks great. im sorry i wasnt able to be involved the in the process. Maybe the next one? wink.gif

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Those sculptures are truly a picture of beauty and a joy to behold......tadahhhhh !!

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