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Im sure lots of you had adventure with powerboat while sailing. Maybe not as hardcore as the j-105 on top page , but enough to be a good story.

 

Why i hate powerboating people?

 

1-they think there is no law, they can get drunk and still be able to drive around

2- they like making waves , and turning around our fleet in a race where everyone is looking for wind.

3- they always like to make their pass close , and in front of the boat .

 

 

allright i will stop to leave you guys say why sometimes ( or all the time) you hate powerboat.

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What is the full story on that girl in the power boat? What boat was she with?

What happend to her?

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These girls aren't reckless powerboaters, they were caught in a bad situation. It wasn't their intention to go out and ram a j105 that day

 

Yes, it sucks that it happened & that they were moving up the standings. Im just glad it wasn't more serious, especially after seeing the pictures.

It would strike me that ANY powerboater without exception that strikes a sailboat is reckless. No argument needed in my boat.

 

One is going 30 knots and is quite maneuverable and has to keep clear. The other is going quite slow and can't turn as quickly. And has the right of way if under sail (which it's not clear thse guys were or not).

 

When you are faster and more maneuverable you need to keep your eyes open and watch where you are going.

 

From a weekend cruisers perspective, yet another reason to hate powerboats:

They can leave port HOURS after you do and still get where you are going in time to steal all the good moorings. So they're sitting on their swim platforms in their nylon shorts, flip flops, & wife-beaters, gold chains a-flashing, sipping a beer while you're hunting around for that elusive last mooring.

 

O, and they tend to anchor out like morons in an anchorage. Not all of them, but I've seen more that a few that think that "Scope" is for getting the tast of sour Bud out of your mouth. "Yeah, my achor reaches bottom, so I'm done."

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We were there and saw the collision. It occurred just outside the cruise ship channel, maybe 0.5 miles south of the beach. A cruise ship came in while Kinscem was cutting away her mast. The skipper of Gumption jumped on to help and an EMT from Mack Daddy (I think) tended to the injured girl. There were two women on the powerboat, the driver and a passenger. It was not the driver who was hurt but the passenger (amazing what happens when you go from 30 to zero in a flash). The passenger was pretty bloodied from a head wound that turned out to be pretty minor and require only stitches but had people scared for a while. Certainly the driver was freaked, thinking she had severely injured her friend (she said she panicked and floored the throttle as she got close to Kinscem). The Coast Guard and KW police were there in a flash and did a great job. Mack Daddy's support RIB took the injured lady in with a CG escort as the EMT didn't want to risk moving her to yet another boat. Kinscem cut everything away in about 25 feet of water and motored back in to the CG base. CG asked us to follow as well and we all gave statements. Don't know anything more about charges, etc. The bow of the powerboat looked as though it had been cut open with a cheese slicer; the shrouds cut in about a foot or so. Kinscem's deck had bottom paint dust all over it from the powerboat riding up the side. Really amazing no one was hurt more seriously.

 

I don't know the skipper from Kinscem but other posts on the site say he's a great guy. He's certainly contributed alot to the fleet at a national/organizational level. Since he wasn't racing on Friday, he lent his pole to another 105 that had broken theirs on Thursday. They also still managed to finish 5th (?) in the fleet, with three bullets in 8 races, even with not racing on Friday.

 

Answers to other questions:

 

Kinscem was under sail at the time.

 

Don't know if the mast was recovered but don't know why that would be helpful except to clear the water from debris.

 

The powerboaters were not associated with any sailboat in KWRW.

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The problem with this type of incident is the boost it gives the ‘licence everyone’ camp.

 

On a yacht you stand a chance of killing yourself or your crew through incompetence but most other people stand a reasonable chance of getting out of the way (lets not get into racing issues here).

 

A knob on a fast motorboat with no idea can fuck up a lot of people. If you’re conscious in the lead up to the incident on a power boat (and nothing serious has failed) then there’s no excuse.

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The problem with this type of incident is the boost it gives the ‘licence everyone’ camp.

 

On a yacht you stand a chance of killing yourself or your crew through incompetence but most other people stand a reasonable chance of getting out of the way (lets not get into racing issues here).

 

A knob on a fast motorboat with no idea can fuck up a lot of people. If you’re conscious in the lead up to the incident on a power boat (and nothing serious has failed) then there’s no excuse.

While I'm against adding any sort of licensing to ANYTHING, there should be some sort of common sense safety requirement for shit like this.

 

the world has become so automated, that Darwinism can no longer cull the weak and stupid!

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The problem with this type of incident is the boost it gives the ‘licence everyone’ camp.

 

On a yacht you stand a chance of killing yourself or your crew through incompetence but most other people stand a reasonable chance of getting out of the way (lets not get into racing issues here).

 

A knob on a fast motorboat with no idea can fuck up a lot of people.  If you’re conscious in the lead up to the incident on a power boat (and nothing serious has failed) then there’s no excuse.

While I'm against adding any sort of licensing to ANYTHING, there should be some sort of common sense safety requirement for shit like this.

 

the world has become so automated, that Darwinism can no longer cull the weak and stupid!

I would agree completely, bring back dangerous toys to reduce the number of stupid kids. However getting out of the way of an arsehole who’s doing 30knts could be problematic whoever you are.

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:huh:

 

Well it is interesting to hear all the anarchist condem a group of boaters! :( Can't lop ALL powerboaters into a category of idiots just because they have a powerboat. Lowell North is a powerboater, so is Gary Weisman, so am I. Love powerboats. Powerboats (Navy) got me into boating. B) Sailors usually do make the best powerboaters in handling large powerboats, for obvious reasons. But to say what you all do about power boaters just shows ignorance and a lack of powerboat experience IMHOP. <_<

 

Funny, the one picture posted here showing a boater crossing the bow of a Navy ship in a channel (San Diego) and getting hit, showed a sailboat. I have witnessed sailors challenge large powerboats and ships in narrow channels on both coasts...pretty dumb. :angry:

 

As I read the story, this was a rental boat. No mention of the skill level of the renter. I would say the problem with this was a lack of boating knowledge and the inability to handle the speed of the vessel in relation to others using the waterways.

 

But my fellow sailors, don't get so smug in your condemnation of those who use powerboats. You mat get to that age someday it seems a bit more inticing to get one of thse things and enjoy your days cruising to good sailing destinations or just going out and killing some fish! :lol:

 

Cheers,

KG

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here in central north carolina, we have to deal with a particular breed of powerboater on our lakes, specifically the bass boats; or as I prefer to call them, water-camaros.

 

These things are basically shallow-V's or flat bottomed hulls with the biggest fucking motor on the back that the owner could afford after saving up budwieser cans for recycling money.

 

Their specific purpose is to zoom across a half-mile wide pond as fast as fucking humanly allowable, stop, sit there for a while waiting to kill fish, then crank up the bad boy and zoom to the next place and sit on their thumbs.

 

I have to give them credit though, they do slow down around us smaller dinghy type craft, however, they don't realize that with that mac truck engine on the back it makes their stern wake a mile high when they aren't planing.

 

So I make sure my rudders cavitate nice and loud right around all their fishing holes, tack on their lines, yaknow, anything I can get away with and not get buckshot in the rearend.

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i like to make some zodiac run , its fun...

 

but im never wreckless like those moron...

 

and im not judging thin incident at key west...

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:huh:

 

Well it is interesting to hear all the anarchist condem a group of boaters! :( Can't lop ALL powerboaters into a category of idiots just because they have a powerboat. Lowell North is a powerboater, so is Gary Weisman, so am I. Love powerboats. Powerboats (Navy) got me into boating. B) Sailors usually do make the best powerboaters in handling large powerboats, for obvious reasons. But to say what you all do about power boaters just shows ignorance and a lack of powerboat experience IMHOP. <_<

 

Funny, the one picture posted here showing a boater crossing the bow of a Navy ship in a channel (San Diego) and getting hit, showed a sailboat. I have witnessed sailors challenge large powerboats and ships in narrow channels on both coasts...pretty dumb. :angry:

 

As I read the story, this was a rental boat. No mention of the skill level of the renter. I would say the problem with this was a lack of boating knowledge and the inability to handle the speed of the vessel in relation to others using the waterways.

 

But my fellow sailors, don't get so smug in your condemnation of those who use powerboats. You mat get to that age someday it seems a bit more inticing to get one of thse things and enjoy your days cruising to good sailing destinations or just going out and killing some fish! :lol:

 

Cheers,

KG

Ken-

 

I'm not blasting powerboaters, per se, but idiots in general. It just so happens that a LOT of the idiots on the water are running powerboats.

 

 

In Chicago, we have a bout a mile of breakwater giving us shelter along the lakeshore near Navy Pier. Every single season there are several powerboaters that die by driving into the seawall at night at full speed. Now most of us would say, fine, Darwinism at work. if you don't know the first rule of night-time navigation (Red Right Returning) you should [at the ver least] slow down.

 

So every year, several lawsuits are brought against the Army Corp of Engineers by the families of the morons, I mean deceased. It's getting so fucking expensive for the Corp to defend themselves against these frivilous suits, that they are actually considering making alterations to the Fucking seawall??!!!

 

that's just horse-shit.

 

OK, Rant over

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Ah yes, idiots in general. Now they are a rather large group with no real ties to any other group except they usually belong to another group! Worse of the worse, idiots with money and lawyers. Product liability, one of the greatest cons put forth on human beings in the past 20 years.

 

"I shot my foot off with my new Smith and Wesson because there was no warning visibile on the gun that these things could do that!"

 

The right for every man, woman, and child to be an idiot and not be responsible for their own actions. In the case in point, an argument will be made that the rental agent was negligent for not recognizing the renter did not have a clue about operating a high speed powerboat. He will be sued by all partys especially the renter who will claim that she was unaware that there was a risk involved with the rental of the boat. :angry:

 

Life is good....for the irresponsible!

 

Cheers,

KG

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The Army Corps of Enginneers should lobby the Illinois State Legislature to get a law passed limiting their liability re: breakwater.

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Is it true that they're thinking of converting the breakwall into an airport?

...Yes. Our beloved mayor will float out some wrecking machines in the middle of the night and tear down the breakwater. supposedly for new "offshore parkland"

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From a weekend cruisers perspective, yet another reason to hate powerboats:

They can leave port HOURS after you do and still get where you are going in time to steal all the good moorings. So they're sitting on their swim platforms in their nylon shorts, flip flops, & wife-beaters, gold chains a-flashing, sipping a beer while you're hunting around for that elusive last mooring.

 

B.J. - you don't live in RI or anything! Nearly fell off the chair in hysterics with the description!

 

I'm with the not anti-power boat group, but anti stupid people group. We have plenty of sailors who also own/use powerboats, and the educated guys who know the rules of the road, around here. Rarely a problem since gee, they know to go around start lines and the like!!!

 

One of the toughest days I ever had on the bay was a solo transport (yes, I had a PFD on, I'm not a complete idiot) back from a Newport regatta on a Sunday afternoon. Bare poles under a big OB (no comments on motors on a J22 .. I get enough shit from my mother!!) for power. I was getting rolled badly with the wake of the bozos coming too close without enough time for me to adjust to it. Add that it was blowing 20 knots and choppy anyway. Scary ride.

 

I suppose the most telling one was year one of sailing though ... on a lake in NH out with a Laser. I'd been sailing about 6 weeks .... a boat full of guys went by about 100 feet (if) away, threw a wake that swamped me and over I went. Pissed? You bet. At least they came back to find out if I was dead but ..... clueless that they had been closer than permissable.

 

End of my rant!

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Seems the species of powerboat moron has no borders. They seem to have a particular plumage of gold chains and hairy backs amongst this species as well

 

Any of the stories posted could have happened in Australia. I think it is the ease at which any cretin can get a boat and proceed to act like a complete fuckwit on the water that is the cause. At least with yachts it is a bit harder, but you can't deny there are still plenty of them. (See previous posts a while back on RSYS No 1 division)

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Seems the species of powerboat moron has no borders. They seem to have a particular plumage of gold chains and hairy backs amongst this species as well

 

Any of the stories posted could have happened in Australia. I think it is the ease at which any cretin can get a boat and proceed to act like a complete fuckwit on the water that is the cause. At least with yachts it is a bit harder, but you can't deny there are still plenty of them. (See previous posts a while back on RSYS No 1 division)

I think the prblem is the minimum skill level required to operate a powerboat is signing on the dotted line. You have to have some small, minimal level of skill to operate a sailobat, and the potential for mayhem is considerably less.

 

I think also certain personality types are attracted to certain types of boats...

 

Not all powerboaters are bad; but did you ever notice that when you start talking to some of the better ones, they are usuallly sailors that have strayed?

 

Not that sailing doesn't have its share of idiots.

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here in central north carolina, we have to deal with a particular breed of powerboater on our lakes, specifically the bass boats; or as I prefer to call them, water-camaros.

I feel your pain, truly, I do.

 

you forgot to mention how they cut in line at the launch ramp, then take an ungodly amount of time to launch. Usually because of some moronic thing like assuming the 250hp engine will have enough bite in the water to pull the boat off the trailer, when the boat is barely touching the water. Simply because they dont want to get the rear axle on their spankin new F350 dualie V10 diesel quad cab super duty long bed penis compensation machine wet.

 

over here (in southwest VA) we have a group of water camaro'ers who get together every thurs after work and see who can catch the most fish in the shortest amount of time. So, 30-50 bass boats crowd around the launch ramp, stinkpots stinking, someone says go, and they all crank the throttle to get to their fishing holes. god help you if you're in a little sailboat nearby.

 

I havent noticed too many of them that follow any right off way rules i've ever heard of, they really seem to think the fastest boat on the lake has ROW. far too many have underestimated my speed and ended up getting squeezed between me and the shore. at least they dont leave too much of a wake when they dont slow down.

 

we've had a few incidents here in recent years where bassboaters have run over other boaters. usually when the sun is low... they dont slow down, they cant see from the glare, dont relaize it, and they make a launch ramp out of some unlucky persons boat. one fucker even managed to run over a hydroelectric dam. (that was on Kerr lake/lake gaston - maybe you heard about it.)

 

pulling the throttle back is a last resort for these guys. there really should be some kind of mandated boater education, and water cops out to write tickets to the ones who make bad names for all.

 

in my (limited) coastal sailing experience, the powerboaters out there are by far more courteous, educated, watchful, etc... they throw bigger wakes, but at least they're nice about it.

 

god i hate bass boaters. grrrrrrrrrr

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over here (in southwest VA) we have a group of water camaro'ers who get together every thurs after work and see who can catch the most fish in the shortest amount of time.  So, 30-50 bass boats crowd around the launch ramp, stinkpots stinking, someone says go, and they all crank the throttle to get to their fishing holes.  god help you if you're in a little sailboat nearby. 

Required Reading for you and Maugan and anyone else plauged by bass boaters.

 

SW VA? Smith Mountain Lake? That's a big lake...rented boats twice there. Once a little skiff with a 5 or 6 HP engine. I think we explored a total of three coves in a long weekend.

 

The other time we got a water Camaro. Saw quite a lot of the lake, although we ran agground one evening at dusk when we returned to a pot we'd fished that day, only to find they'd lowered the damned lake since the morning.

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The bassboats are not too bad. They blast out to there fish'n hole & are not seen from again. Now the muscle heads are the big pain. 80+mph and unmuffled pipes. They race each other around the lake. Sounds like a drag strip. Can not carry on conversation when these beasts are within a half mile.

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F350 dualie V10 diesel quad cab super duty long bed penis compensation machine wet

 

Wow, where can I buy one of these

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Had a fishing boat chase a beneteau 32 back in the 80's. It was one of those cabin cruising fishing boats with the tuna tower. Now a tuna tower is nice on the ocean, but this guy was on lake michigan. WTF are you going to see from up there?? A pod of salmmon??? Anyway The beneteau was racing in a port to port and happened to cross this door nobs lines cutting them in the process. ( the guy cut infront going about 1.5 knots trooling about 5 lines)

The power boat began racing within 2 feet of the transom then backing down. did this about 5 times then proceded to threaten the skipper with a crow bar and a fish wacker. Funny part was Skip had the RC shotgun on board with blanks. He proceded to pull this out and the guy was not so aggressive. By the time we got back to port the CG had questioned the guy and was writing up the ticket.

 

 

Good times.

 

Late,

Shag

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About 5 years ago the boat I race on got hit by a powerboat while motoring home on a sunday evening after a regatta. A powerboat slammed into our boat doing about 25 kts, right on the nose, rig came down. Turns out the 3 powerboat occupants were piss drunk and were "looking for a whale" (on the detroit river) when they hit us. The only good thing was that the powerboat sank, while we got a new bow and lived to race another day.

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The bassboats are not too bad. They blast out to there fish'n hole & are not seen from again. Now the muscle heads are the big pain. 80+mph and unmuffled pipes. They race each other around the lake. Sounds like a drag strip. Can not carry on conversation when these beasts are within a half mile.

luckily my lake is too small for those guys.

 

BJ- i'm on claytor lake, near radford. smith mountain is bigger for sure, but its 2 hrs longer each way.

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Your skipper was very lucky not to have died in a hail of return fire.

Never point weapon at something you are not ready to Kill. Now a few depth charges made of a length of scrap line tossed out under his bow would be my style.

Yeah, I've seen that move stick. Line was 20 feet long nylon dockline thrown so it laid perpendicular to the menacing powerboat's course. Single screw. Stopped pretty damn fast. heh.

Never pointed it just brought it out and made a show of it.

:lol:

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One of my favorite jet ski stories:

 

After a regatta couple of summers ago we were jockeying for position at the launch ramp with about 20 or so other sail boats. These 2 jetskis decided to use the armada for slolom gates. The jackasses were buzzing the entire fleet for about 10 minutes then Bam!!!!!! They took each other out. Head on going about 20 or 30. Now they both had helmets and lifejackets on so as soon as everyone realized they were OK the cheer was unbeleavable.

 

Good times.

 

Late

Shag

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One of my favorite jet ski stories:

 

After a regatta couple of summers ago we were jockeying for position at the launch ramp with about 20 or so other sail boats. These 2 jetskis decided to use the armada for slolom gates. The jackasses were buzzing the entire fleet for about 10 minutes then Bam!!!!!! They took each other out. Head on going about 20 or 30. Now they both had helmets and lifejackets on so as soon as everyone realized they were OK the cheer was unbeleavable.

 

Good times.

 

Late

Shag

Woulda cheered more if they WEREN'T wearing helmets!!

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:)

 

yup. But seriously, when you're THAT annoying, minor head trauma can only be an improvement!

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:rolleyes:

The way I heard it was the PWC guys initially left the shore without helmets, but went back to get them when one of them said,

 

"Wait a minute...remember what happened the last time we took these out!" ;)

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well , maybe...

 

hehe...

 

once a guy try to took my waves in jetski ( a j-24 wave... now thats a big one) and just almost ran into me...

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SHAGGY is a perfect target. If ever some one who complains about on the water behavior and the lack of it then bitches about some Power Boater who dared to be fishing in his way then cuts off about 400 to 500 bucks of lures shows his complete lack of gray matter and should be banned from this board.

Yo weegs,

If said powerboater is on a course that takes him directly in the path of an entire fleet of racing sailboats that are obviously going to cross his path and said powerboater does not change course due to stupidity putting his precious lewers, boat and himself at risk and said powerboater is bound by the USCG and international right of way rules when 2 boats meet (not to mention the fact that the meeting is between a boat under power and a boat under sail) then Said powerboater deserves what he got.

 

 

 

Shag

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That’s brilliant, he can’t drive his car and he (probably) can’t drive his boat. It would also appear that either the weight of his cheap jewellery or the size of his gut means that he’s struggling to get out of the car.

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When I was young, the sailors on the local lake were constantly bothered by the water skiers from the waterfront properties. They thought they owned the lake!! We would use our throwable pfd and wipe out any skier that came within range, then nonchalantly sail over and pick up our pfd.

Great Fun!!

Nowadays, we come across fishermen in the channel with 4 lines out. We ask them how deep they are running since we have limited maneuverability. The we indicate we have a draft of x ft and watch 'em scramble. (fishing in the channel is prohibited by the Army Corp of Eng.) I remeber one guy at the launch pissin' and moanin' because a freighter came in and lost all his lures.

It's kinda like insisting you can play marbles on the freeway.

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Last fall I was racing off of Toronto Island. There were three other regattas that day; an Albacore North Americans, a local one design regatta, and an Etchells regatta. This particular weekend there was a boat show on and as an attraction a poker run was scheduled. This event was one in a series of "professional" poker runs and hence there was some very large and powefull boats participating. It was being done in the name of charity and to attract people to what has historically been a lame boat show.

 

Anyway, the poker run "course" took it right through three of the four sail boat regattas, including the Albacores, and they passed so close to my boat that I had to wipe away the spray from the wake!! I sent an email to the organizer of the boat show and she was not aware that there were any regattas planned for that day but the poker run is not part of her show, just an attraction. I am still waiting to hear back from the organizers of the poker run.]

 

The really ironic part about this whole thing is that they claimed that they were being safety concsious as they had support helocopters and all participants had to wear their PFD's, but passing with in 25' of a 15' dinghy is ok?

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I will never forget the time years ago while running a race committee stake boat I aproached the weather mark after the start to find a 14-16 foot aluminum fishing boat anchored about 30 feet off the pin. 

Reminds me of the start of the VOR on the Chesapeake. The starting line was just north of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge, and we had a huge number of "picket boats" anchored all along the edges of the course to keep other boaters and the spectator fleet off the race course. With about 15 minutes to the first gun, this guy in a sport fish calls the race committee and asks if he can fish under the middle of the bridge!

 

After a brief pause (due to the RC ROFL), the RC asks the guy if he sees all the VOR boats north of the bridge, cause they will be coming in his direction in less than 20 minutes.

 

Annother brief pause and the sport fish guy says, "Ohhh, I guess I will have to wait a while or go somewher else". :):):):)

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My brother went to Oregon state as an exchange student, got on the varsity rowing squad. He was front man on a two man shell (no cox) racing up in Seattle somewhere, big meet, 12 lanes marked out & all used. Halfway down the stretch he heard a powerboat, looked over & yelled at his partner. Luckily they both threw themselves the same way & rolled upside down. The powerboat ran over the shell 'bout midway, somehow did not injure either crew. Shell was a complete loss.

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Last fall,8 knots of wind , reaching out into the lake with only my 5 yr old daughter to help. 5 sailboats all doing the same thing and then recprcl course back. 55' lunkhead comes out of the channel un- trimmed and blows by within 20' of the first boat and blows his horn to anounce that he is passing to strbd. I look back to see him doing the same to me. Run and grab my daughter on the bow and hold on. Want to curse at him but tiny ears won't allow. Watch as he proceeds to do the same thing to every sailboat out there. Whole f..in lake and he went out of his way to do this.

Revenge is best served cold... and I won't forget or say what the name of the boat was, but...

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Last fall,8 knots of wind , reaching out into the lake with only my 5 yr old daughter to help. 5 sailboats all doing the same thing and then recprcl course back. 55' lunkhead comes out of the channel un- trimmed and blows by within 20' of the first boat and blows his horn to anounce that he is passing to strbd. I look back to see him doing the same to me. Run and grab my daughter on the bow and hold on. Want to curse at him but tiny ears won't allow. Watch as he proceeds to do the same thing to every sailboat out there. Whole f..in lake and he went out of his way to do this.

Revenge is best served cold... and I won't forget or say what the name of the boat was, but...

if your dog's dyslexic, shouldn't it say ,"FOOW" ??

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