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very entertaining topic. I own and race a x yacht 3/4 ton and have had a blast racing her. We are killer in light air and have done 14 knots under main alone on a long delivery last year. Runners are a constant headache but having to have 5-7 aboard add a certain level of teamwork. Are we competitive in our mixed fleet? Not really until offshore where we can dial her in better. Lots of boat for the money. Lots of fun.

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Photo looks to be taken inside Bldg. 7 at Sassy Marine in Algonac Michigan.

The boat is the former Windquest; reputed to be the slowest IOR 50 ever built. The DeVos dog.

To make the boat even slower a shoal draft bulb keel was fitted. It was a success.

The boat has been poorly sailed and poorly maintained for many years.

Don't ask about the sail inventory.

 

Good luck,

ropetrick

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Ex Windquest, Frers design from 1985 - back in the water this month for the first time in a little while. Renamed Taniwha, fast enough at least for some of us - we made 8.5 kn from 14 true with the wind at 70 deg apparent without much in the way of trimming. The boat has beautiful lines if you ask me - especialy the sheer.

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Photo looks to be taken inside Bldg. 7 at Sassy Marine in Algonac Michigan.

The boat is the former Windquest; reputed to be the slowest IOR 50 ever built. The DeVos dog.

To make the boat even slower a shoal draft bulb keel was fitted. It was a success.

The boat has been poorly sailed and poorly maintained for many years.

Don't ask about the sail inventory.

 

Good luck,

ropetrick

 

Was this boat "Allegiance" more recently?

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Yes that is true but the Davidson 34 Pendragon that won that year was in fact a 3/4 tonner, fighting above its weight.

It won the 3/4 cup the year before as well. Great looking boat - I remember seeing it in Hawaii in 1982.

I see it damn near every week!

 

Ultra-mini spinnakers make it tough to get going in Newport Beach. Sails OK with a gift rating from heaven.

 

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Hey, at least it's not purple anymore!

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"Hat Trick" on eBay. Starting at $5k

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/39-6-ft-cus...7#ht_500wt_1214

 

There was another “Hat Trick”. This one was a red Chance Offshore One and it easily qualified as one of those weird “Shitty Britty” looking things referred to further back in the string. In light air it was a rocket. In heavy air the main bulkhead separated from the deck in a race forty miles offshore, which is the subject of nightmares to this day. Hopefully it is long gone.

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Yes remember "HAT TRICK" Red Hull, Britt Chance 33, owned by Rob Batcher, in San Diego, after he replaced her with a DC 40, the boat sat for sale forever,and then disappeared, but YES she was fast in light air,

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bobhub-- Yes-- Hat Trick was a "Chance Offshore One" that was originally campaigned by Dick Deaver-- a long thin canoe type design that Britt Chance was famous for in those days (Warrior, the PT's, 30/30 etc.)

 

A friend of mine (40Grit) bought (and renamed her Fat Chance) from the Sea Scouts in the late 90's and successfully raced her for many years before a delivery skipper totaled her on the rocks at Crystal Cove State Beach-

 

A light air killer- and actually a lot of fun to sail---

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"Hat Trick" on eBay. Starting at $5k

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/39-6-ft-cus...7#ht_500wt_1214

 

There was another “Hat Trick”. This one was a red Chance Offshore One and it easily qualified as one of those weird “Shitty Britty” looking things referred to further back in the string. In light air it was a rocket. In heavy air the main bulkhead separated from the deck in a race forty miles offshore, which is the subject of nightmares to this day. Hopefully it is long gone.

 

 

The Hat Trick on the Ebay site was originally a red hull with shaded blue spots painted along the topsides. The deck was originally 'swimming pool' blue. It was a G&S design, built by Lindenberg and campaigned mostly on Lake Erie. It did the 1983 SORC.

 

Lot's of miles on that boat.

 

Where is FUJIMO?

 

I think Jane ended up with her. :lol:

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I detect a lot of hindsight in the opinions expressed. It's not like a generation of ocean racers decided they were tired of going fast and asked for new rule of slow, heavy boats. In the US, they were coming mostly from CCA which restricted LWL to a perverse degree. There was a lot of pressure to keep displacement high enough for a dual purpose boat. It was taken for granted at the time that a keel boat could not plane, so there was little point in pursuing top end speed. Fiberglass construction still resulted in a heavy boat.

 

As for the control issues, I doubt they are a big problem for a cruiser willing to reef when the boat gets squirrely.

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Ex Windquest, Frers design from 1985 - back in the water this month for the first time in a little while. Renamed Taniwha, fast enough at least for some of us - we made 8.5 kn from 14 true with the wind at 70 deg apparent without much in the way of trimming. The boat has beautiful lines if you ask me - especialy the sheer.

 

 

i have a great memory as a young teen aboard a fall delivery of this boat as allegiance from from tc to muskegon. we had a state police weapons instructor aboard with his 9mm, plenty of cartridges and an empty milk jug. we were broad reaching at at a now pedestrian 10 knots under a beautiful fall sky taking turns driving, trimming and trying to hit the jug down range while standing on the transom.

 

wes shultz kept good care of it after de vos and it was only after he sold it did the bastardization begin.

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Gee!... Here's an idea!

 

Why don't we get these IOR boats back racing as seen recently with the 1/4 ton cup in pomgolia?

 

This would be really retro and fun!

 

1/4, 1/2, 3/4, 1, and 2 ton cups using all the IOR boats lying around.

 

and to make it interseting.... sail them as they are with whatever sails they have?

 

lets face it they are crap cruisers and some say crap racers but thats the fun...

 

roundups, gear breakages, chinese Gybes, Bloopers, in line rigs, runners, pathetic motors, poor accomodation, crap ballance, weather helm for africa, alloy rigs, uncomfortable, pigs downwind, powerhouses up wind, rating bumps, ...

 

 

and cheap to buy!

 

BRING BACK IOR!

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Gee!... Here's an idea!

 

Why don't we get these IOR boats back racing as seen recently with the 1/4 ton cup in pomgolia?

 

This would be really retro and fun!

 

1/4, 1/2, 3/4, 1, and 2 ton cups using all the IOR boats lying around.

 

and to make it interseting.... sail them as they are with whatever sails they have?

 

lets face it they are crap cruisers and some say crap racers but thats the fun...

 

roundups, gear breakages, chinese Gybes, Bloopers, in line rigs, runners, pathetic motors, poor accomodation, crap ballance, weather helm for africa, alloy rigs, uncomfortable, pigs downwind, powerhouses up wind, rating bumps, ...

 

 

and cheap to buy!

 

BRING BACK IOR!

 

 

But LL it will be hard to find all the old IOR boats because most of them have new names................................

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"Hat Trick" on eBay. Starting at $5k

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/39-6-ft-cus...7#ht_500wt_1214

 

 

good gawd... that boat looks like it wants to broach just sittin there in the trailer :lol:

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Where is FUJIMO?

 

 

She went to Mexico some years back, along with ex: Abracadabra and ex: whatever the name was of Raul Gardini's last Italian IOR 50, the salmon-colored one that Cayard raced on pre A-cup

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were there several Orange Crates? My brother sailed on one back in the day and then I thought it resurfaced in Greenwich, IHYC. The Sinclairs bought a boat that I thought was an Old IOR called Orange Crate. It was blue when they bought it with a red waterline I think. Had a semi cruising interior and windows/ports in the hull. Sinclairs covered them over.

 

 

Our boat is a 1978 Holland 40 that was originally called Secret Affair and had a similiar paint job to Imp her sister ship except was orange rather than green. Severel people because of the orange paint job did in fact call her orange crate. We covered the ports up when we re-cored around them so that I did not have to do the job again. The interior is semi cruising with open bow and currently could use a little paint and TLC. The rest of the boat has been redone on deck with all new hardware and deck layout. Completly faired bottom and keel. All she really needs to shift her into a coastal cruiser would be a 120% Genoa on a furlur and some slugs on the mast. She sails quite well in that setup as we deliver the boat with only a 120% all the time. Just got married and bought my first place and have not had much time to race her the last two years.

 

 

http://www.teamhotspur.com/

 

This is the boat that I covet the most, my absolute favorite growing up.

 

Did you buy this boat from the Great Lakes? If you did, you probably bought this boat from my old man. He had an orange Holland he had painted and I think it was the old Secret Affair. The boat looks great- nice to see it is still out there collecting places for pickles to do their lounging.

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that Davidson 40 on fleabay is fair making my pants move :rolleyes: looks very nice ......anybody know it's original provenance ? ie name ? and year ?

 

 

 

oh well back to the virtual world where I belong ... Istanbul Europa Race right now

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that Davidson 40 on fleabay is fair making my pants move :rolleyes: looks very nice ......anybody know it's original provenance ? ie name ? and year ?

What region of E-Bay?

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Hey Lonely

 

You can buy your old one tonner back on ebay now:

 

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/YACHT-SAILBOAT-DAVI...%3A1%7C294%3A50

 

Good times!

this is the first post about the DAVIDSON 40

 

pm Lonleyboy15, he was the previous owner.

 

 

I sold it about 5 years ago. Great boat, used in the sailing school and did heaps of racing and cruising on it. Great interior and swept back spreaders by previous owner to me. 4 fridges! Went to Melbourne last I heard. Was Originally Blue max 2. Was built by performance yachts and is a sister ship to 'Beyond Thunder dome' which is still here in Brisvegas and is for sale.

Blue Max will need rags and the decks were getting pretty wet when I sold it. The hull is all Kevlar though.

I will dig out the old IRC cert for her, but she was reasonably competitive as long as there was plenty of uphill!

 

Pm me if you want to know more.

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Another golden oldie Davidson 40 Mad Max in Vancouver. Still performing well under ORC Club and PHRF

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Here is an old IOR boat. It came to this coast in Sept 2008 and almost immediately went back on the market. This looks like a real man killer!

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/privatelabel/lis...sint=&ps=30

 

 

The old Sassy

 

@ least it's still on the water

 

 

Just saw it here last week in Seattle. It's sitting just inside the Locks on the West side, still in the water. Glory is out of the water there too, looking as pretty as usual!

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Here's two that live at a local boat yard.

 

I'm pretty sure ErRATik is a Choate 40. As for Momentum, a Frers possibly.

 

--Matt

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More pictures. I got a kick out of the splice in the boom on ErRATik.

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An another local IOR that kept the newer designs at bay over the years in the local PHRF fleet! A pig in under 6 and an untamed animal in over 20, but in 7-19 on a W/L it can't be stopped.

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One more of Momentum.

 

 

Frers 38. Used to be green. Started life in So Cal.

 

Another golden oldie Davidson 40 Mad Max in Vancouver. Still performing well under ORC Club and PHRF

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are they having a contest to sit as far apart as possible?

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Come on Doug, Circuit Breaker is hardly in the IOR graveyard. Jack would never let that happen.

 

Circuit Breaker is a Morgan built Nelson Marek 36' 1 tonner. She was built in '83 or '84 to "Break" the IOR rule. She's built with fiberglass and a nomex cored hull.

 

A bit of a chore to sail, but she's won a lot of silver ware.

 

--Matt

 

An another local IOR that kept the newer designs at bay over the years in the local PHRF fleet! A pig in under 6 and an untamed animal in over 20, but in 7-19 on a W/L it can't be stopped.

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"Garage"? In my chart table.

Also carry Grandad's current chart for the Huidson and East rivers. Thing has to be like 75 years old.

 

An embarrassing number of chars in my chart drawer have them... along with 20 years of notes and updates scribbled all over them... I gotta go print some new charts.

 

Just saw it here last week in Seattle. It's sitting just inside the Locks on the West side, still in the water. Glory is out of the water there too, looking as pretty as usual!

 

Yes for reasons no one can work out (PHRF) there seems to be a whole lot of these things in great shape in the PNW. Sailmakers must be laughing all the way to the bank.

 

I donated more blood on IOR boats than I can recall (probably because there was enough loss to make me light headed at the time). Ah the joys of foredeck on one tonners... :blink:

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How about this one. Terrorist. I think that she is a Bruce King designed, bilge board one tonner. The boat was for sale not to long ago on craigslist, but the listing did not have any info about the boat other than it was an aluminum one ton IOR boat. I got in contact with the owner and he told me that the bilge boards had been welded shut and he planed to put a keel on it. Sounded like a huge project. I found this picture on another forum about a month later. If I remember right, she is in a yard in Pt. Townsend.

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How about this one. Terrorist. I think that she is a Bruce King designed, bilge board one tonner. The boat was for sale not to long ago on craigslist, but the listing did not have any info about the boat other than it was an aluminum one ton IOR boat. I got in contact with the owner and he told me that the bilge boards had been welded shut and he planed to put a keel on it. Sounded like a huge project. I found this picture on another forum about a month later. If I remember right, she is in a yard in Pt. Townsend.

My friend's dad built that boat. Have you got contact info?

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How about this one. Terrorist. I think that she is a Bruce King designed, bilge board one tonner. The boat was for sale not to long ago on craigslist, but the listing did not have any info about the boat other than it was an aluminum one ton IOR boat. I got in contact with the owner and he told me that the bilge boards had been welded shut and he planed to put a keel on it. Sounded like a huge project. I found this picture on another forum about a month later. If I remember right, she is in a yard in Pt. Townsend.

My friend's dad built that boat. Have you got contact info?

 

 

I sent you a PM. I have some more pictures that I can post if you want.

 

Best,

 

Reed

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Terrorist and her big sister Hawkeye were the bomb back in the day. Sad to see in this condition. Putting a keel on will be a non-trivial exercise, as the structure just isn't there. The bilge boards worked fine, and with that kick-up rudder gave her an extraordinary shallow-water capacity - great for cruising, despite eating interior volume. But it depends on what you want to do with her, I expect.....

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My boat is one of the early IOR (1973) designs-- Bill Tripps's last design -- Sailed on her as a teenager (!973 -1975) and bought her 10 years ago and restored her. Still look back at her when I leave the marina every time! With modern lightweight materials (Sails, rigging and Spin Pole) used aloft and modern sail handling systems (Self tailing winches / efficient furlers, etc.) installed she is quite manageable off the wind in a breeze (you still have to know what you are doing) and a dream to sail upwind and power reaching in seas.

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How about this one. Terrorist. I think that she is a Bruce King designed, bilge board one tonner. The boat was for sale not to long ago on craigslist, but the listing did not have any info about the boat other than it was an aluminum one ton IOR boat. I got in contact with the owner and he told me that the bilge boards had been welded shut and he planed to put a keel on it. Sounded like a huge project. I found this picture on another forum about a month later. If I remember right, she is in a yard in Pt. Townsend.

My friend's dad built that boat. Have you got contact info?

 

 

I sent you a PM. I have some more pictures that I can post if you want.

 

Best,

 

Reed

Hey, thanks I'll pass it along. Wonder if you could register a name like that these days? Not simpler times back then, but a different sense of humor? That name came from Newport Beach in the late seventies.

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Terrorist and her big sister Hawkeye were the bomb back in the day. Sad to see in this condition. Putting a keel on will be a non-trivial exercise, as the structure just isn't there. The bilge boards worked fine, and with that kick-up rudder gave her an extraordinary shallow-water capacity - great for cruising, despite eating interior volume. But it depends on what you want to do with her, I expect.....

Was not a cruising boat. Was a IOR rule beater. Loads of form stability, all lead in the bilge. Must be a lot of fizzy aluminum now. Wonder if the lead is still in it, or sold to interstate?

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Terrorist and her big sister Hawkeye were the bomb back in the day. Sad to see in this condition. Putting a keel on will be a non-trivial exercise, as the structure just isn't there. The bilge boards worked fine, and with that kick-up rudder gave her an extraordinary shallow-water capacity - great for cruising, despite eating interior volume. But it depends on what you want to do with her, I expect.....

Was not a cruising boat. Was a IOR rule beater. Loads of form stability, all lead in the bilge. Must be a lot of fizzy aluminum now. Wonder if the lead is still in it, or sold to interstate?

 

I think that the current owner took out the lead when he was trying to put a keel on it. I have been told that the gar board plates and floors were all replaced and beefed up for a center line keel. I don't know how well the mods were done but I figured the boat was a lost cause.

 

The name on the boat is no longer Terrorist. The story I heard was that the boat was so much faster than the other boats that IOR banned bilge boards. After that, the boat was renamed Uproar.

 

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How about this one. Terrorist. I think that she is a Bruce King designed, bilge board one tonner. The boat was for sale not to long ago on craigslist, but the listing did not have any info about the boat other than it was an aluminum one ton IOR boat. I got in contact with the owner and he told me that the bilge boards had been welded shut and he planed to put a keel on it. Sounded like a huge project. I found this picture on another forum about a month later. If I remember right, she is in a yard in Pt. Townsend.

 

"Planned to put a keel on it" why do people do stupid sh## like this? It was a boat that was so much faster than anything in the league, they changed to rules. Did this guy think it was going to sail better with a fin keel? Maybe he figures it'll be safer if he can run aground further off the beach? Or was it just a blind fixation?

 

I love to hear about projects like this, some guy who has learned by flipping thru some glossy mags suddenly thinks he's smarter about boat design than one of the world's foremost naval architects. But then, I've been accused of enjoying it when my cynicism about human nature is confirmed....

 

FB- Doug

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Terrorist and Hawkeye were twitchy as hell, plagued with mechanical problems, and didn't sail fast enough to justify the negatives. Very cool idea but reality didn't live up to the hype.

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Terrorist and her big sister Hawkeye were the bomb back in the day. Sad to see in this condition. Putting a keel on will be a non-trivial exercise, as the structure just isn't there. The bilge boards worked fine, and with that kick-up rudder gave her an extraordinary shallow-water capacity - great for cruising, despite eating interior volume. But it depends on what you want to do with her, I expect.....

Was not a cruising boat. Was a IOR rule beater. Loads of form stability, all lead in the bilge. Must be a lot of fizzy aluminum now. Wonder if the lead is still in it, or sold to interstate?

 

I think that the current owner took out the lead when he was trying to put a keel on it. I have been told that the gar board plates and floors were all replaced and beefed up for a center line keel. I don't know how well the mods were done but I figured the boat was a lost cause.

 

The name on the boat is no longer Terrorist. The story I heard was that the boat was so much faster than the other boats that IOR banned bilge boards. After that, the boat was renamed Uproar.

 

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The Pacific Northwest: Where old boats go to die.

 

Port Townsend: Where they provide hospice care and the graveyard.

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Terrorist and Hawkeye were twitchy as hell, plagued with mechanical problems, and didn't sail fast enough to justify the negatives. Very cool idea but reality didn't live up to the hype.

 

I thought TERRORIST won the 1 Ton champs? And of course she was twitchy, all the hot custom IOR boats were twitchy. Would putting on a fixed fin stop her being twitchy? Probably help with reserve stability, which would be nice in the final stages of playing "Death Roll Bonanza" but I can't see it doing much good over all. Certainly wouldn't help with the mechanical plague :)

 

But hey what do I know... I went & bought a daggerboard from the same era...

 

FB- Doug

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Terrorist and her big sister Hawkeye were the bomb back in the day. Sad to see in this condition. Putting a keel on will be a non-trivial exercise, as the structure just isn't there. The bilge boards worked fine, and with that kick-up rudder gave her an extraordinary shallow-water capacity - great for cruising, despite eating interior volume. But it depends on what you want to do with her, I expect.....

Was not a cruising boat. Was a IOR rule beater. Loads of form stability, all lead in the bilge. Must be a lot of fizzy aluminum now. Wonder if the lead is still in it, or sold to interstate?

 

I think that the current owner took out the lead when he was trying to put a keel on it. I have been told that the gar board plates and floors were all replaced and beefed up for a center line keel. I don't know how well the mods were done but I figured the boat was a lost cause.

 

The name on the boat is no longer Terrorist. The story I heard was that the boat was so much faster than the other boats that IOR banned bilge boards. After that, the boat was renamed Uproar.

 

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The Pacific Northwest: Where old boats go to die.

 

Port Townsend: Where they provide hospice care and the graveyard.

 

 

Where abouts in PT is this?

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Two more I found outside of Naptown while down for the boatshow.

 

The name of the first boat is Nogutsnoglory.

 

--Matt

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Pretty sure that the white boat next to the blue one in the other picture is an Aphrodite 101 built in Denmark.

 

From photos here, www.aphrodite101.info/, I'd say your right, good eye.

 

--Matt

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Not sure if this has been mentioned in an earlier post.

Here's the old Mull 45 Bad Habits found rotting away in a Malaysian yard and spruced back up better than new.

Des Kearns did a fantastic job bringing her back to life.

My Old Man sailed it to Hawaii from NZ waaay back for the Pan Am clipper cup.

Looks alot more livable down stairs now than it did back then.....

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Here's two that live at a local boat yard.

 

I'm pretty sure ErRATik is a Choate 40. As for Momentum, a Frers possibly.

 

--Matt

 

What yard are these two in?

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Two more I found outside of Naptown while down for the boatshow.

 

The name of the first boat is Nogutsnoglory.

 

--Matt

 

I remember "Snuggly-nuggets" from back in the day. There was another one with a similar striping scheme, except in red/orange/yellow. Damned if I remember the name, though.

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Here's two that live at a local boat yard.

 

I'm pretty sure ErRATik is a Choate 40. As for Momentum, a Frers possibly.

 

--Matt

 

What yard are these two in?

 

 

I think ErRATik is a Choate 40--ex "Super Splurge" It is probably in Morgan Marine in Sayreville/Morgan NJ--I have sailed on it--it was once a beauty--now pretty much a mess. I know the current owner--a great guy but a true "wingnut"

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Here's two that live at a local boat yard.

 

I'm pretty sure ErRATik is a Choate 40. As for Momentum, a Frers possibly.

 

--Matt

 

What yard are these two in?

 

 

I think ErRATik is a Choate 40--ex "Super Splurge" It is probably in Morgan Marine in Sayreville/Morgan NJ--I have sailed on it--it was once a beauty--now pretty much a mess. I know the current owner--a great guy but a true "wingnut"

 

He sails a 105?

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very entertaining topic. I own and race a x yacht 3/4 ton and have had a blast racing her. We are killer in light air and have done 14 knots under main alone on a long delivery last year. Runners are a constant headache but having to have 5-7 aboard add a certain level of teamwork. Are we competitive in our mixed fleet? Not really until offshore where we can dial her in better. Lots of boat for the money. Lots of fun.

 

 

Which one? I raced on one out here in the PNW in the mid 80's. It came from Chicago, not sure where it went after the owner sold it. We won the 3/4 ton NA's with it before he sold it.

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This was our boat back when she was new. We built a shitload of sails for her. She sold for 17K a few years ago. I'll bet you could get her for less than 10 today. Might be worth it just to fill up the cockpit with Jell-O..................again.

 

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This was our boat back when she was new. We built a shitload of sails for her. She sold for 17K a few years ago. I'll bet you could get her for less than 10 today. Might be worth it just to fill up the cockpit with Jell-O..................again.

 

Linky

 

I count 5 really bad ideas

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This was our boat back when she was new. We built a shitload of sails for her. She sold for 17K a few years ago. I'll bet you could get her for less than 10 today. Might be worth it just to fill up the cockpit with Jell-O..................again.

 

Linky

 

I count 5 really bad ideas

I would count selling the boat for 17K as a good idea.

Buying that boat at any price, ridiculous idea.

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No Guts is a Rodgers 3/4 tonner. It last sailed about 10 years ago. It sat at AYC next to the club house until they raised the slip fees.

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This was our boat back when she was new. We built a shitload of sails for her. She sold for 17K a few years ago. I'll bet you could get her for less than 10 today. Might be worth it just to fill up the cockpit with Jell-O..................again.

 

Linky

 

I count 5 really bad ideas

I would count selling the boat for 17K as a good idea.

Buying that boat at any price, ridiculous idea.

 

 

good idea:

selling boat for 17K

 

bad ideas:

being in Texas

buying boat

building sails for that boat

putting Jello-O in the cockpit (depending on participants

 

your mileage may vary

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Just curious why would you say it is a bad idea?

Because the J 34's hull form was obsolete a decade before it was designed.

It is similar to the Ericson 34T from the '70s, an IOR abomination.

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Two more I found outside of Naptown while down for the boatshow.

 

The name of the first boat is Nogutsnoglory.

 

--Matt

 

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I guess they are getting ready for a mark rounding, with the pole up. :huh:

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I have a huge soft spot for those IOR warhorses. Grew up and learned to sail and race on a Serendipity, spent a few years on a N/M Morgan 36. God I love those boats. Though not an IOR boat, my *new* boat is an old MORC design, an Evelyn 26. I found her wasting away in a boat yard, stripped of all hardware, and had not seen water in 10 to 15 years. All I have to say is my crew and I love the boat to death. My bowman did fordeck on the Serendipity, he keeps remarking how much easier things are.

 

At the boat yard I used to work at there are a few warhorses collecting dust. A Peterson/Islander 40 and some steel hulled 45ish footer from Russia. In the area there is also a Choate 40 and an another Peterson one tonner. I'll try and get a few pictures after Block.

 

tpb, beautiful boat, love the shiny look. I keep telling my friend with a Wolverine 29 to strip the paint and polish those topsides.

 

--Matt

 

Great little boat you've got there...

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This was our boat back when she was new. We built a shitload of sails for her. She sold for 17K a few years ago. I'll bet you could get her for less than 10 today. Might be worth it just to fill up the cockpit with Jell-O..................again.

 

Linky

 

I count 5 really bad ideas

I would count selling the boat for 17K as a good idea.

Buying that boat at any price, ridiculous idea.

 

 

good idea:

selling boat for 17K

 

bad ideas:

being in Texas

buying boat

building sails for that boat

putting Jello-O in the cockpit (depending on participants

 

your mileage may vary

 

When we had her, she was in Annapolis. As for the Jell-O, well, you had to be there.

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Whenever I am in Traverse City, MI, I try to go out in the morning before the family wakes up and look at the dinosaurs. One of my favorites was a Kauffman Screamer 40. It was red and called Fox. It looked like an aircraft carrier in the water. Last time I went to look at it, it was gone. Does anyone know where it went?

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Did someone say On Tonner?

 

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Here she is in her prime before winning the Admiral's Cup on the German team. I raced her in College in the late '80s early '90s, currently she is wasting away in a boat yard down the street up here in Portsmouth, RI.

 

 

where is she? She for sale?

Pirate Cove Marina on the hard, dying a slow death.

 

Damn that's sad. That's an incredible picture of a gorgeous boat.

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What yard are these two in?

 

Pitman's right, Morgan Marina in Sayreville.

 

Neil, ErRATik was at RYC at some point of her life, right? Was she called "Super Splurge" then?

 

Cool looking boat, but the deck is a trampoline now.

 

--Matt

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Terrorist and Hawkeye were twitchy as hell, plagued with mechanical problems, and didn't sail fast enough to justify the negatives. Very cool idea but reality didn't live up to the hype.

 

I thought TERRORIST won the 1 Ton champs? And of course she was twitchy, all the hot custom IOR boats were twitchy. Would putting on a fixed fin stop her being twitchy? Probably help with reserve stability, which would be nice in the final stages of playing "Death Roll Bonanza" but I can't see it doing much good over all. Certainly wouldn't help with the mechanical plague :)

 

Dunno about the 1-ton, but I know Terrorist/Uproar sailed *way* above its rating before they changed the rules to (effectively) obsolete it. Tracked 3-5 degrees higher than anything else upwnd, thanks to the angled boards, and offwind in a breeze it was a rolly-poley rocket.

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Here's a few more warhorses on the hard.

 

The first is a Peterson/Islander 40, Inverary. She came off her mooring during a storm, got beat up and sank. The owner had no insurance so he abandoned the boat. It was re-floated and brought to a marina. Over the past 10 or so years the new owner has been putting her back together. I don't have any pictures, but the bow was actually split open down the center.

 

--Matt

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Second boat.

 

This one is a Ron Holland designed Kirie Feeling 3700, Mistral. Don't know much about it. I talked to the owner when he hauled the boat 3 years ago. He was planning on selling. The boat is a mess inside, but looked like was gorgeous when newer.

 

--Matt

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Finally, I don't know much about this boat. It's 45'-50', it's Russian, and it's steel.

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Terrorist and Hawkeye were twitchy as hell, plagued with mechanical problems, and didn't sail fast enough to justify the negatives. Very cool idea but reality didn't live up to the hype.

 

 

You all are forgetting about the two tonner Aggressive II. I sailed on Hawkeye the 1st year Cal Maritime had the boat! We did the BBS that year (1980) and had so much fun going upwind in a breeze! We sailed with 19 and NOBODY dared start to weather of us.....Except Commodore Tomkins sailing Zamazaan a Farr52. But that was the 1st start of the 1st race of the series! :lol:

 

Hawkeye was built by Driscoll's San Diego and sailed briefly in Socal getting sorted out for SORC. It was during her delivery to Fla that IOR bent her and the design over..... and well, we all know what happened! 1 description I heard about Hawkeye was that she was a 65' boat crammed into a 48' shell, she was that powerful.

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Here's K5 last year at Rolex St. Thomas. Fugly doghouse.

 

That Pendennis destroyed this once stately Maxi's lines with that doghouse is tragic, and the red paint job is unforgivable. Absolutely the worst transformation of a race boat I have ever seen.

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Terrorist and Hawkeye were twitchy as hell, plagued with mechanical problems, and didn't sail fast enough to justify the negatives. Very cool idea but reality didn't live up to the hype.

 

I thought TERRORIST won the 1 Ton champs? And of course she was twitchy, all the hot custom IOR boats were twitchy. Would putting on a fixed fin stop her being twitchy? Probably help with reserve stability, which would be nice in the final stages of playing "Death Roll Bonanza" but I can't see it doing much good over all. Certainly wouldn't help with the mechanical plague :)

 

Dunno about the 1-ton, but I know Terrorist/Uproar sailed *way* above its rating before they changed the rules to (effectively) obsolete it. Tracked 3-5 degrees higher than anything else upwnd, thanks to the angled boards, and offwind in a breeze it was a rolly-poley rocket.

 

Terrorist was for sale years ago, in San Diego. I watched it being built in Sparcraft just around the corner from the sail loft I worked in (Taylor Made Sails), and I lusted after that IOR rule beating design. The for sale ad reawakened that boat lust from long ago... I took a good crew and test sailed the boat. I did not buy it because, while it might have been very fast for its original rating, it was not a fast boat. Worse, it did not feel fast. I mean, not bad, but nothing about the actual dynamics were notable. Its actually a very heavy boat. And then the mechanical issues... But the total and final deal breaker was because it looked like a fat pig. People in the bar were literally laughing at how ugly the boat was! Pointing and laughing!

 

That reminded me of seeing Hawkeye in Grenada, a month or so after its SORC debut. I tried to explain to people that it was actually a pretty cool design. They just did not get it. They had not drunk deeply of the IOR Koolaid. So they had no adoration of the idiocy that resulted: slow, uncomfortable, unseaworthy boats that looked like fat pigs.

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Here's K5 last year at Rolex St. Thomas. Fugly doghouse.

 

That Pendennis destroyed this once stately Maxi's lines with that doghouse is tragic, and the red paint job is unforgivable. Absolutely the worst transformation of a race boat I have ever seen.

 

Ho there......hold your horses cowboy !!!

You may have forgotten that shipyards work to a spec. set by the owner/client. Carrying out his requirements/taste/wishes.....whatever !!

 

That this may not necessarily conform to everybody's standards is something we have to live with.

 

Yes.......the new owner messed up a thoroughbread...that I have to agree !

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That reminded me of seeing Hawkeye in Grenada, a month or so after its SORC debut. I tried to explain to people that it was actually a pretty cool design. They just did not get it. They had not drunk deeply of the IOR Koolaid. So they had no adoration of the idiocy that resulted: slow, uncomfortable, unseaworthy boats that looked like fat pigs.

 

But, if looked at in the context of that era... it was a BEAUTY of a fat pig!

(after all, what good is a skinny pig?)

 

FB- Doug

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Here's K5 last year at Rolex St. Thomas. Fugly doghouse.

 

That Pendennis destroyed this once stately Maxi's lines with that doghouse is tragic, and the red paint job is unforgivable. Absolutely the worst transformation of a race boat I have ever seen.

 

Ho there......hold your horses cowboy !!!

You may have forgotten that shipyards work to a spec. set by the owner/client. Carrying out his requirements/taste/wishes.....whatever !!

 

That this may not necessarily conform to everybody's standards is something we have to live with.

 

Yes.......the new owner messed up a thoroughbread...that I have to agree !

 

You are right, of course.

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Terrorist and Hawkeye were twitchy as hell, plagued with mechanical problems, and didn't sail fast enough to justify the negatives. Very cool idea but reality didn't live up to the hype.

 

I thought TERRORIST won the 1 Ton champs? And of course she was twitchy, all the hot custom IOR boats were twitchy. Would putting on a fixed fin stop her being twitchy? Probably help with reserve stability, which would be nice in the final stages of playing "Death Roll Bonanza" but I can't see it doing much good over all. Certainly wouldn't help with the mechanical plague :)

 

Dunno about the 1-ton, but I know Terrorist/Uproar sailed *way* above its rating before they changed the rules to (effectively) obsolete it. Tracked 3-5 degrees higher than anything else upwnd, thanks to the angled boards, and offwind in a breeze it was a rolly-poley rocket.

 

Terrorist was for sale years ago, in San Diego. I watched it being built in Sparcraft just around the corner from the sail loft I worked in (Taylor Made Sails), and I lusted after that IOR rule beating design. The for sale ad reawakened that boat lust from long ago... I took a good crew and test sailed the boat. I did not buy it because, while it might have been very fast for its original rating, it was not a fast boat. Worse, it did not feel fast. I mean, not bad, but nothing about the actual dynamics were notable. Its actually a very heavy boat. And then the mechanical issues... But the total and final deal breaker was because it looked like a fat pig. People in the bar were literally laughing at how ugly the boat was! Pointing and laughing!

 

That reminded me of seeing Hawkeye in Grenada, a month or so after its SORC debut. I tried to explain to people that it was actually a pretty cool design. They just did not get it. They had not drunk deeply of the IOR Koolaid. So they had no adoration of the idiocy that resulted: slow, uncomfortable, unseaworthy boats that looked like fat pigs.

 

TERRORIST...I had forgotten that name....Sailed a few races in the SORC with Sparcraft' owner "Uncle" Al Cassel and his great crew of Newport Beach Madmen. A lot of fun...got off before the One Ton Championship, I don't think they won. The boat had a "warp" drive that would make it fly ...problem was we could'nt figure out how to engage it ...consistently. Al also gave Brit Chance a chance to design one of his first radical