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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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MR.CLEAN

After The Sabbath

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Up today:

 

LIVE STREAMING VIDEO ALL DAY

MUSIC

SAME GREAT PICS

AND SO ON

 

 

Stay tuned, and check out:

 

The first half of the event coverage

The official website

The unofficial thread

 

 

And please be sure to check out Mach 2's website for more about this awesome little beast. Also Point Loma Outfitting has been making OTW Anarchy's live reports possible for two years now, and we appreciate it hugely. If you do to, go and buy something, and let Tom know we sent you.

 

 

Here's that great interview with West Coast sailing legend Bill Buchan. I could talk to this guy for a week.

 

 

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Our webcast today is largely made possible not only by our sponsors, but also by SA'er "Kanaka" who put us in touch with the right people, by the South Carolina Maritime Foundation, who lent us a big zoom for the camcorder, and by the City of Stevenson, WA, who's lending us the bandwidth that we could never get from Cascade Locks.

 

 

Here's the Stevenson webcam and weather station:

 

http://www.cityofstevenson.com/cam_kite.html

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vws295.jpg

 

 

come on breeze...wanna see it go 20+ to help k. hall move up in the standings.

 

clean - looking forward to your coverage, thanks alot bro!

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We took a little trip to beautiful Portland yesterday, and somehow, I managed to get shanghai'd into RC duty. Good times with a great old man and then a great dinner and drinks with Bill and Loralei Symes.

 

 

Here's the first video from the river for the Willamette Sailing Club wednesday night series.

 

 

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iWindsurf is calling for Stevenson to reach around 20 today.

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Hey Alan. Would you ask Bora if he has any plans for the Gold Cup; otherwise I'm hopping on another boat.

 

Cheers

 

Rich

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We took a little trip to beautiful Portland yesterday, and somehow, I managed to get shanghai'd into RC duty. Good times with a great old man and then a great dinner and drinks with Bill and Loralei Symes.

 

 

Here's the first video from the river for the Willamette Sailing Club wednesday night series.

 

 

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If you get back into Portland before you head back east, you have to go and check out the Acropolis, best steaks in town.

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Alan,

 

Get your shit together and give us some updates, video of the beach maybe an interview or two. For god sake man it's 10 AM on the left coast - do something!

 

ND

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AP was just dropped, as have our helpful friends at the Stevenson Port Authority, who are stuck in a meeting about new top secret security clearances or something. But we are on station across the river from the event site, with all our cameras and shit set up, and waiting for the action to start. So there will be a short delay in our coverage, assuming they get a start off at all. Wind is at 16-18 with much higher gusts. One just blew my hat off.

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AP was just dropped, as have our helpful friends at the Stevenson Port Authority, who are stuck in a meeting about new top secret security clearances or something. But we are on station across the river from the event site, with all our cameras and shit set up, and waiting for the action to start. So there will be a short delay in our coverage, assuming they get a start off at all. Wind is at 16-18 with much higher gusts. One just blew my hat off.

 

any chance that you can set up a msn or skype conference call? so we can hear your commentary and watch from your webcam 100% live?

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AP was just dropped, as have our helpful friends at the Stevenson Port Authority, who are stuck in a meeting about new top secret security clearances or something. But we are on station across the river from the event site, with all our cameras and shit set up, and waiting for the action to start. So there will be a short delay in our coverage, assuming they get a start off at all. Wind is at 16-18 with much higher gusts. One just blew my hat off.

You expect us to wait?!? Hurrrrrrrrry up!

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Alan,

 

Get your shit together and give us some updates, video of the beach maybe an interview or two. For god sake man it's 10 AM on the left coast - do something!

 

ND

Eat me! Or get on a plane and come cheer on your boy!

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Here you go - super hot Tasar/Snipe action!

 

 

 

And Thistles rocketing downwind?

 

 

 

 

Thistles on a reach:

 

 

 

 

And here's the dragon boat, and Tom Beckham

 

 

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Prime time in Germany (20:15 pm). Outside it's raining. Beer is in the fridge. Start the show, please ... ;)

 

Thanks for the great job you and Mer are doing!!

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Pretty and Slow. Or is that pretty slow. I feel their pain.

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your killing us here clean :D but hey we cant complain about your effort!

Do you have an eta on when the live video starts?

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btw info from Nige:

2nd windward mark: Scott Babbage iles ahead still, bora brad and dalton next pretty close together, kevin hall and rob gough next. then Nathan and Rohan with the next pack not far behind

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# unofficial results: RACE 8: scott 1, bora 2 less than a minute ago

# funk 3rd, arno 4 and dalton 5! less than a minute ago

 

MS

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Streaming Video, Live reports.

The excitement is killing me.

I'll wait for the pop-up book to come out

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Any idea where Nathan finished? They get another throwout after Race 9

 

MS

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Fuck me! My computer just blew over along with one of the tripods. This is ridiculous.

 

We finally have our big pipe, now to get the rest of the shit working. Not easy.

 

Scott B wins, Bora just behind. Dunno where Nathan finished, too far away. Haters, fuck off and please don't come back. We're trying.

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another beautiful day out here in the gorge. lots of photographers and media out.

Clean had to go across the river to find a bigger pipe for all the content he and mer are uploading!

 

chilling out here on the point, wish you all were here.

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Holy crap that is fast!

 

Sit tight...

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Windward mark is apparently drifting...

 

 

Here's the best we could do just now. Race 8:

 

Part 1:

 

 

Part 2:

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Riveting stuff. Nothing like being up close to the action.

 

Just goes to show you...you can't exchange bandwidth for proximity...the relationship is not equal.

 

Carbon

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Your On-the-Water (from land) setup sounds like more pressure than working over real estate developers in a Detroit law firm office.

 

At least you have the Gorge scenery around you!

 

I'm looking forward to seeing the live action, or recorded video and pics as they get uploaded.

 

I like the vibe of this version of SA OTW. Keep up the good work.

 

The new vid looks great in full zoom. If you have a VHF, maybe someone on the water can identify which boats are where and transmit the audio to you.

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Bora just finished the race almost AN ENTIRE LEG ahead of the fleet! Simply amazing! Meanwhile, we hear that some of the other "top guys" are sitting on the beach, lobbying for NO THIRD RACE?

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Race loading - of course now that I have a big pipe I'm shooting in HD, so each vid is like 150 MB. Hope you're on a fast connection!

 

 

Feed from the boys on the other shore:

 

dude, full chaos on that last race. major wipe outs, breakdowns, and bora just tearing it up 2 minutes ago

kevin hall fixed and going back out for 3rd race of day, nathan and scott working on repairs 3 minutes ago

dalton second, arno 3rd on the race 9 finish 4 minutes ago

brad funk retiring too, boats are taking a beating with the big puffs. not as windy as before, but bigger puffs 4 minutes ago

Bora just finished, absolutely smoked the race 5 minutes ago

rohan, a.mack and charlie roung out the top group 6 minutes ago

correct on scott babbage, mast stump ok, lower plug in mast base tore out. trying to get replacement parts asap 6 minutes ago

bora first around top mark, then rob gough, dalton, arno just around 7 minutes ago

nathan to replace sail and get back out 8 minutes ago

kevin hall on the beach, failure unknown. 8 minutes ago

Scott babbage fully broke down, mast stump broke, wing bar broken 8 minutes ago

boat without rig also has broken wing 11 minutes ago

nathan mast head strop broke, sail is falling down mast 12 minutes ago

one boat being towed in without rig, nathan has weeds all over foils and cant get to beach. 13 minutes ago

another wipe out in this pressure, two more boats down, now a 3rd all at the top mark 14 minutes ago

noble and lynsey wipe out at the top mark. wild puff! broken rig on another boat!! nasty 14 minutes ago

big gains to be made in the puffs, got to hook 'em up. 15 minutes ago

NATHAN retiring from race and coming into shore! 16 minutes ago

local hero doogie is up in the top with charlie and the boys. nige (US class president) also having a great race. 16 minutes ago

dalton 2nd (bora is just launched in 2st), arno 3rd, rohan 4th, gough 5th 17 minutes ago

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YouTube is taking its sweet ass time on processing the vids linked above, so just give them a little time. They're there.

 

 

Boats still finishing - unbelievable the distance between the front and back of the fleet. Judging from the text feed, we're in the wrong place, but we had to try it....

 

Mer got picked up from the beach here and will be back after the final race to load pics - that will happen fast too. I'll tell you this much; if we had this connection at the other shore, this would easily be the most memorable live coverage of a dinghy event ever. Water under the bridge (of the gods - just down the river).

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Outteridge is back on the water!

 

And we are getting set for a final race today...warning sounded!

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# FUNK first! arno second, Nige in 3rd! major mix up at the top mark

# nathan 4th, rob then bora in 6th and rohan 7 3 minutes ago

# charlie wipes out at the offset! 3 minutes ago

 

MS

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Tell you one thing - how about a 1.5 mile leg W/L race that takes 8 minutes to get to the top mark? That's pretty sick.

 

 

Outteridge, Arnaud, Gulari at the gate. Still plenty of breeze!

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Outerridge

3387

missed it

3281

3451

 

 

3391

3455

3380

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Race 10, Part 1:

 

 

 

 

Part 2:

 

 

 

Part 3:

 

 

 

 

Part 4:

 

 

 

Part 5:

 

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that was a SWEET day. Short, fast and fun. crowds watching and breeze ON.

 

Post those videos Clean, we need more of this stuff

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are the results up somewhere or am i just missing it?

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Final Race:

 

Part 1:

 

 

Part 2:

 

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NOTE ABOUT THESE VIDEOS: THE QUALITY WILL GET BETTER ABOUT 20 MINUTES AFTER I POST. YOUTUBE HAS some weird issues with "processing," but these are 720p HD quality, with is pretty damned good, even on super ultra mega zoom.

 

Part 3, Final Race:

 

 

 

Part 4:

 

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Alright, the finish of Race 10 is below, along with a little message from yours truly.

 

 

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We've never been secretive about what we do or how we do it, but here are a few words for those of you that are interested by the whole OTW idea.

 

This is some rapid-fire racing, something we were certainly not ready for. You know how sailing a Farr 40 in some one-design action seems so fast and action-packed at first, until you sail a Melges 24. Then the bigger boat seems slow and easy to anticipate. Then you move to a 470 or 5O5, and the Melges racing all of a sudden seems to take so long, maneuvers seemingly endless. Then you move to a 9er, and once again, the bar gets faster.

 

It's the same for us when we cover races. We seem so busy and crazy and full-on when we're on a 40' sportfisher covering 50' boats. Yet compare this to that - instead of 2 hour long races you have 20 minute long races. Instead of 20 minutes of down time between races, you have 6 minutes. And the day is over almost before you can blink. The sailors put their boats away and get back to their campside or house, everything is small and happens quickly, and we're just trying to adapt.

 

I still have to look at the videos (I have not yet seen one), but to me, this was definitely a cool vantage point, but just too far away. If we could have run the Justin.TV thing and worked fully live, it would have definitely been cooler, but I don't know if it would have overcome the distance problem. Meanwhile, across the river, we are on top of the action, with lots of fans and interested spectators to keep it lively, yet we do not have the capability to load any kind of real data, and cannot even shoot in HD because nowhere in town can I upload even a single 250 MB file in less than a few hours. And today, I uploaded a whole pile of them in just minutes.

 

Compromises and trial-and-error, that's what we're doing. Between our wacky ideas, your good and bad ones, and the support of the SAers, the Ed, our trusting and sometimes brave sponsors, and the organizers of progressive-thinking events, it just keeps getting more interesting.

 

And your appreciation of this coverage has given the event and its forward-thinking organizers a huge bump in traffic and interest, just we'd hoped. It's so incredibly cool to be able to look at the folks who say "no one is really interested in watching this live," and just smile.

 

So thanks again, a million times, and thanks to all the mothies for keeping this so interesting. Now where are those fucking results? :)

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# FUNK first! arno second, Nige in 3rd! major mix up at the top mark

# nathan 4th, rob then bora in 6th and rohan 7 3 minutes ago

# charlie wipes out at the offset! 3 minutes ago

 

MS

Bullshit! I was second round mark!

 

Full results here:

 

http://www.mothworlds2009.org/?q=node/49

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Thx so much!, And thx to mr clean, outstanding coverage!! can't wait for tommorrow!!

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I'm going to run back across the river and go through my shots from race 10. I'll get them up asap. Thanks for watching!!

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Predictions?? Can Bora put in the bag tomorrow...?

 

Nice coverage clean...now that is boat PORN. Wish you were out on the Water.

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Predictions?? Can Bora put in the bag tomorrow...?

 

Nice coverage clean...now that is boat PORN. Wish you were out on the Water.

 

I think the video taken from shore is far better- theres waaay too much bouncing around on the water. Just need to get closer so MC can really use the zoom to close the distance....

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Who the hell is Andrew Campbell?????

2 Puma boats are Brad Funk and Glenn Raphael...

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Fantastic coverage-thanks to all responsible!

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Who the hell is Andrew Campbell?????

2 Puma boats are Brad Funk and Glenn Raphael...

 

I presumed it was the SDYC youth rock star: http://www.campbellsailing.com/

 

But it seems he is in England racing Stars.

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Meanwhile, we hear that some of the other "top guys" are sitting on the beach, lobbying for NO THIRD RACE?

 

What an absolute load of shit.

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Bora and Nathan cannot be sailing every boat! Also more people than Amac have a KA sail!

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Great work Clean, really enjoying it from Perth Australia!!

 

But please, please, please can you pronounce Rohan's name correctly??!! It's bugging the shit out of me!! The 'H" is silent. Try "Ro+an"!!

 

Apart from that, fantastic as always!!

 

Mez

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Bora and Nathan cannot be sailing every boat! Also more people than Amac have a KA sail!

In his defense (of which I do not quickly jump!), he is looking from 2 miles away through a 2 inch screen too.

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So I was thinking, to really do live video right the cameras really need to be on shore (the sailgroove footage is so shakey its useless.. the only way to get decent on the water footage to be right next to what you're filming) , and they need to be HD with monster telephoto lenses. And you need about four of them, where each has a different assignment- follow the lead group, stay on the windward mark, etc. Then you need to pipe the footage from each camera to someone who can toggle back and forth betwee the streams for the best shot at the moment, and last you need someone watching the final output footage and commenting.

 

So, can SA get that together for tomorrow please?!

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So I was thinking, to really do live video right the cameras really need to be on shore (the sailgroove footage is so shakey its useless.. the only way to get decent on the water footage to be right next to what you're filming) , and they need to be HD with monster telephoto lenses. And you need about four of them, where each has a different assignment- follow the lead group, stay on the windward mark, etc. Then you need to pipe the footage from each camera to someone who can toggle back and forth betwee the streams for the best shot at the moment, and last you need someone watching the final output footage and commenting.

 

So, can SA get that together for tomorrow please?!

 

sure, once your wire transfer hits our account, we'll get that shit going. Until then, you'll get 1 camera wherever the fuck we want to put it.

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Such language! You're single camera is doing great and I appreciate your efforts.

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Well done Clean, Well done Nigel, Well done everyone involved in the racing and reporting.

And well done the sailors, I think you have it the toughest.

Its great reading and viewing over breakfast each morning

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Cheers Phil, and apologies to Funk and Rohan and whomever the hell else I pronounced wrong. It ain't easy believe me! News: Simon's knee is fucked up pretty bad, but he'll sail tomorrow if he is physically able to do so. Blown out cartilage and some ligament damage, interview coming after we go and get drunk. He is still ahead of Rohan, so that's his motivation.

 

 

Good news though - tomorrow we will be back on the Oregon side, shooting with the ever growing crowd at our back, and it should be stellar. We will NOT be posting video during the racing - we will post commentary and maybe a twitter pic or two, but our friends at the City of Stevenson and Saw.net are letting us come and use their T-1 to upload everything over there the minute racing is over. Considering that the racing is only two hours for three races, that means that you'll have great video and pics very soon after racing, and hopefully you'll enjoy it.

 

Interviews will load over the next few hours, got the lovely and fast Lindsay Bergan, Simon with his injury, Nathan, Rohan, Bora and the boys playing cards, Nige after a great day on the water, and Kevin Hall as mellow as can be. All top shit.

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that's really bad news about Si - hope he has a speedy recovery... a bit of beer-induced painkilling tonight shouldn't do too much harm :) That should be an interesting interview!

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Great work Clean, really enjoying it from Perth Australia!!

 

But please, please, please can you pronounce Rohan's name correctly??!! It's bugging the shit out of me!! The 'H" is silent. Try "Ro+an"!!

 

Apart from that, fantastic as always!!

 

Mez

I thought it was like Lord of the Rings. "RIDERS OF ROHAN!"

 

Innit? ;)

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Great work Clean, really enjoying it from Perth Australia!!

 

But please, please, please can you pronounce Rohan's name correctly??!! It's bugging the shit out of me!! The 'H" is silent. Try "Ro+an"!!

 

Apart from that, fantastic as always!!

 

Mez

I thought it was like Lord of the Rings. "RIDERS OF ROHAN!"

 

Innit? ;)

 

LOL, only ever heard it pronounced like Rowan, not Roh-han!!!

 

Never met Mr. Veal myself but talked to his sister a fair bit when she worked for Musto her in Oz and I think that's the way she said it!!

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We all really appreciate your efforts Clean.

Like Phil said, gives us all here in Oz reason to get out of bed in the morining!

Cheers.

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So clean are you going to come to Australia to cover the Belmont worlds in Jan 2011??

If the Class and our sponsors appreciate our coverage enough, then hopefully we'll be at every Worlds from now until whenever. We sure have learned some things about how to properly cover the Moths...

 

 

Interesting coverage fact of the day:

 

The biggest danger from the spectator and media boats is not their wakes. It's the turbulence of their prop wash. The wash keeps the water tumbling for minutes after the RIB or whatever has come through, and that tumbling water can literally just knock people over when a foil hits it and reduces lift catastrophically. Trew has a special prop to cut down the effect, but Sharon's big RIB, nor ours, do. Kind of makes me happy to shoot from shore! Learned this and much more in Hood River last night, where Sharon, Morgan Larson, Tyson, the dude on that Moore 24 on the front page the other day, and a bunch of other ex pro sailor locals got together for drinks. Good times.

 

Nigel Oswald, event chairman:

 

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Simon Payne, with a new pain.

 

 

 

 

 

Simon checks out the card-playing action, and tells Bora "You look like a fucking terrorist."

 

Gold.

 

 

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How has the Assassin been going? I saw one on top of a car on I-90 in Ohio a couple months back and it looked pretty sweet, very simple and well thought out. I noticed it in one of Mer's pictures (sweet shots btw), and was wondering if any conclusions about the boats performance have been drawn from this week. Thanks!

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This is one beautiful and skilled sailor chick right here.

 

 

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How has the Assassin been going? I saw one on top of a car on I-90 in Ohio a couple months back and it looked pretty sweet, very simple and well thought out. I noticed it in one of Mer's pictures (sweet shots btw), and was wondering if any conclusions about the boats performance have been drawn from this week. Thanks!

Hard to say right now, because there have been plenty of gear issues and the boats are so new. The foils have not been great, and that will change very soon with completely new foil design that just didn't make it here on time. We will ask folks on camera for a design summary after the event, to see how they think the boats compare. I know Lindsay was very happy with her Mach 2, as seen in the video above, and they are 4 of the top 5 right now, so that's saying something. I agree that the Assassins look pretty hot - there's almost no boat there at all. Chris Steele said, "when you're low riding the waves just come right over the boat," but you're pretty much never low riding if you're good enough to race these things...

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For those of you who've been wondering why it's called Cascade Locks but too lazy to look on Wikipedia, here is my little guided tour of the history of the place:

 

 

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Thx to all for the excellent coverage, and you just put that little cam wherever you darn well please,just keep it coming!

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# hello sports fans, welcome to race day 5. Competitors are leaving the beach now, racing in 15 minutes! 16 minutes ago

# weather is way chilly today, but breeze is up, so we're going racing 15 minutes ago

# RC has the marks set for a 'Z' course, which is a gorge favorite. 13 minutes ago

# Weather mark a little more in the middle of the river, tight reach down a few hundred yards to the offset 12 minutes ago

# then a MAJOR bomb down the course on port tack all the way to the edge of the channel 12 minutes ago

# then a starboard rounding and back up to finish 11 minutes ago

# in a fresh breeze, it's a wicked fast course with big grins by all! Huge run on a hot angle! 11 minutes ago

# all boats on the water, ready to go less than a minute ago

 

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Where is my Moth video **crack**??!!

 

Do you understand I'm in an office and it's Friday???

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