Fresh Up The Flagpole

[Stingray 50]

At GGYC

 

[diverg 1]

Isn't this the firm that represented ETNZ's lawsuit against Alinghi? Is BOR about to open an fiduciary duties attack?

[Rennmaus 2,350]

At GGYC

Aren't these the ETNZ attorneys?

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS 1]

At GGYC

Aren't these the ETNZ attorneys?

 

 

YES THEY WERE-SAME FIGHT DIFFERENT CLIENTS--

 

GOING TO FEDERAL COURT TOO--FINALLY

 

THIS IS GOOD NEWS FOR ALL TRUE AC FOLKS--

 

ALL SNG PUPPETS AND POOHDOLLS NEED TO SAY GOOD BYE--SEE YA--

[Stingray 50]

Isn't this the firm that represented ETNZ's lawsuit against Alinghi? Is BOR about to open an fiduciary duties attack?

Correct, David Boies is who represented ETNZ in the anti-trust case that they later dropped.

 

Apparently GGYC has now employed him too. You might think this statement will put to rest any ideas that the issues with SNG have been settled, because Boies is big-time!

[Stingray 50]

At GGYC

Aren't these the ETNZ attorneys?

 

 

YES THEY WERE-SAME FIGHT DIFFERENT CLIENTS--

 

GOING TO FEDERAL COURT TOO--FINALLY

 

THIS IS GOOD NEWS FOR ALL TRUE AC FOLKS--

 

ALL SNG PUPPETS AND POOHDOLLS NEED TO SAY GOOD BYE--SEE YA--

 

MSP - What suggests this?

[mo fuzz 0]

Wasn't it Boies who made the appearance on Bloomberg news talking about the AC when this all started way back when?

 

There was a link somewhere....

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS 1]

At GGYC

Aren't these the ETNZ attorneys?

 

 

YES THEY WERE-SAME FIGHT DIFFERENT CLIENTS--

 

GOING TO FEDERAL COURT TOO--FINALLY

 

THIS IS GOOD NEWS FOR ALL TRUE AC FOLKS--

 

ALL SNG PUPPETS AND POOHDOLLS NEED TO SAY GOOD BYE--SEE YA--

 

MSP - What suggests this?

 

 

I AM IN THE FEDERAL JURISDICTION NOW --ALREADY WITH TH AC --MORE SOON-

 

TNZ LTD VS SNG WAS A FEDERAL ANTI-TRUST ACTION--READ THAT COMPLAINT-

 

LIKE I BEEN SAYING-ALL ALONG--DONT WORRY --

 

ALSO THE AC IS ALREADY SAVED-- I HAVE PRESERVED IT -THRU MY OWN FEDERAL ACTIONS ON THAT -

 

YOU WILL ALL SEE THAT VERY SOON--->

[Clancy 0]

"and not a make-believe yacht club" - now that's a good line.

[1407 1]

Showtime!! This is far better investment than a new boat to meet a swiss driftingparty with no rules.

Oh well we can stil go ski in swiss and eat the raklette cheese when evileye ernie is forgotten.

[Stingray 50]

Wasn't it Boies who made the appearance on Bloomberg news talking about the AC when this all started way back when?

 

There was a link somewhere....

Here's a link, it's not playing for me at the moment?

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/avp/avp.htm?N=vid...XIT14XdWRVw.asf

 

From 2008:

--

 

 

Lawyer Boies Sees `Profit Motive' in America's Cup Suit: Video

 

April 2 (Bloomberg) -- David Boies, an attorney with Boies Schiller & Flexner LLP, talked with Bloomberg's Mike Schneider yesterday in New York about litigation that has delayed the 33rd America's Cup competition. America's Cup sailing champion Alinghi, which lost a court fight in March to prevent Larry Ellison's BMW-Oracle from being the official challenger in the next regatta, said the earliest it is willing to defend its title is May 1, 2009. BMW-Oracle sued last year in New York state court in Manhattan, claiming Alinghi didn't have the sole right as the race's 32nd winner to set competition terms. (Source: Bloomberg)

 

00:00 America's Cup lawsuit, outlook for next race

 

Running time 20:29

 

 

--

[phomchick 30]

Now we know why a prolific poster here said she felt sorry for James Kearney.

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS 1]

Now we know why a prolific poster here said she felt sorry for James Kearney.

 

 

KEARNEY IS GOOD ON MOST OF HIS FILINGS -REALLY-ALSO HE AINT GOING ANYWHERE-NY CASE STILL ON-

 

DAVID B IS/WILL BE IN FED COURT--NEW ACTION-WATCH FOR THAT--VERY SOON-

[P_Wop 1,873]

This man is the primo anti-trust litigator in the country, and about the biggest legal gun there is. High-profile cases include Microsoft, Gore vs Bush and a raft more. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Boies for some examples. This will be unwelcome news for the Flag Officers and members of SNG, I'd think.

[phomchick 30]

This man is the primo anti-trust litigator in the country, and about the biggest legal gun there is. [...]This will be unwelcome news for the Flag Officers and members of SNG, I'd think.

I think that may be an understatement. I wonder what kind of hold-harmless agreement SNG has with Alinghi?

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS 1]

This man is the primo anti-trust litigator in the country, and about the biggest legal gun there is. [...]This will be unwelcome news for the Flag Officers and members of SNG, I'd think.

I think that may be an understatement. I wonder what kind of hold-harmless agreement SNG has with Alinghi?

 

 

ZIP VALID --NON RESPOSIBLE AGREEMENTS-=BERTARELLI IS OFC OF SNG CLUB AND CORP-

 

-ALINGHI -IS IN DEEP WITH SNG AND ISAF--ALL SCREWED =GOOOD

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS 1]

This man is the primo anti-trust litigator in the country, and about the biggest legal gun there is. [...]This will be unwelcome news for the Flag Officers and members of SNG, I'd think.

I think that may be an understatement. I wonder what kind of hold-harmless agreement SNG has with Alinghi?

 

 

ALSO SNG IS THE TRUSTEE--=SO SUED

 

BETARELLI WILL BE NAMED = SUED FOR HIS CRIMINAL ACTIONS

[Clancy 0]

This man is the primo anti-trust litigator in the country, and about the biggest legal gun there is. [...]This will be unwelcome news for the Flag Officers and members of SNG, I'd think.

I think that may be an understatement. I wonder what kind of hold-harmless agreement SNG has with Alinghi?

 

I made the same comment before (here) and MM (of course) said that SNG were the richest club in the world, blah, blah, blah. I'll say it again, if I were a SNG member, I would sure as hell be asking what sort of D&O insurance and what sort of liability insurance we had and what sort of indemnity agreement there is between Alinghi and SNG.

[hhn92 43]

This man is the primo anti-trust litigator in the country, and about the biggest legal gun there is. [...]This will be unwelcome news for the Flag Officers and members of SNG, I'd think.

I think that may be an understatement. I wonder what kind of hold-harmless agreement SNG has with Alinghi?

 

I made the same comment before (here) and MM (of course) said that SNG were the richest club in the world, blah, blah, blah. I'll say it again, if I were a SNG member, I would sure as hell be asking what sort of D&O insurance and what sort of liability insurance we had and what sort of indemnity agreement there is between Alinghi and SNG.

 

 

 

Too late to jump out of bed now, the girl is already pregnant.

[Peelman 0]

This is awesome news for the issues coming down the road that have been talked about in the SAAC. Also, potential for another legal avenue mabye at the Federal level.

 

I expect JK to be around as there is too much AC history & NYSC background with Judge K at the NYSC level. I look a Boies coming onboard to expand the GGYC legal team & to take the issues coming down the road to a different level. He's an anti-trust specialist at the top.

 

TE was pretty specific on Boies mandate being "to protect our competitive interests, the interests of sailing, and of the Cup itself" MSP might be right about this going Federal. Looking at Boies background he is overkill for the state level.

 

I'm guessing that we will see Boies entrance into the battle maybe end of next week or first of the following week as the clock is ticking on getting any sort of Mutual Consent on RAK & etc. Maybe this big gun will force SNG to wake up & start thinking about being sporting & looking at Mutual Consent as this as gone too deep than any other AC already.

[MR.CLEAN 3,838]

Boies is the Russell Coutts of litigation. And a very cool guy. Good stuff on him from Time and Wired.

 

 

I have been assuming that both the venue choice and powered systems decision will both be going back to court soon, with BMW having a significant likelihood of prevailing on both issues. Boies appearance indicates that this is accurate, and that BMW's likelihood of prevailing just went up even more.

[Starboard 0]

Boies is the Russell Coutts of litigation. And a very cool guy. Good stuff on him from Time and Wired.

 

 

I have been assuming that both the venue choice and powered systems decision will both be going back to court soon, with BMW having a significant likelihood of prevailing on both issues. Boies appearance indicates that this is accurate, and that BMW's likelihood of prevailing just went up even more.

Boies is a chump and loser of epic proportions. Don't believe me? Boies failed representation of Al Gore gave George Bush the presidency - and the world paid a very high price for that fuck up. I am not sure Boies is the man for the job.

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS 1]

Boies is the Russell Coutts of litigation. And a very cool guy. Good stuff on him from Time and Wired.

 

 

I have been assuming that both the venue choice and powered systems decision will both be going back to court soon, with BMW having a significant likelihood of prevailing on both issues. Boies appearance indicates that this is accurate, and that BMW's likelihood of prevailing just went up even more.

Boies is a chump and loser of epic proportions. Don't believe me? Boies failed representation of Al Gore gave George Bush the presidency - and the world paid a very high price for that fuck up. I am not sure Boies is the man for the job.

 

 

YOU WRONG-

 

US SUP COURT GAVE/CAVED IN TO YOUR BUDDY BUSH-

 

DB DIDNT LOSE -HE GOT IT RIGHT

[jorgensen 7]

This is awesome news for the issues coming down the road that have been talked about in the SAAC. Also, potential for another legal avenue mabye at the Federal level.

 

I expect JK to be around as there is too much AC history & NYSC background with Judge K at the NYSC level. I look a Boies coming onboard to expand the GGYC legal team & to take the issues coming down the road to a different level. He's an anti-trust specialist at the top.

 

TE was pretty specific on Boies mandate being "to protect our competitive interests, the interests of sailing, and of the Cup itself" MSP might be right about this going Federal. Looking at Boies background he is overkill for the state level.

 

I'm guessing that we will see Boies entrance into the battle maybe end of next week or first of the following week as the clock is ticking on getting any sort of Mutual Consent on RAK & etc. Maybe this big gun will force SNG to wake up & start thinking about being sporting & looking at Mutual Consent as this as gone too deep than any other AC already.

 

SNG/alinghi have a different legal team now in the GGYC case compared to the initial TNZ action. If there are legal proceedings forthcoming, who is SNG going to hire to defend their position? alinghi went for a lightweight boat, lightweight is not what one wants usually in a legal team.

 

I would infer that communications with SNG/alinghi if any have made no satisfactory progress to date as far as GGYC is concerned since the last court session.

[P_Wop 1,873]

NQ, at last you got me to do it. My first ignore. Well done.

 

I expect it's your 27,459th, but who the fuck cares?

[SimonN 281]

This just shows how much the BOR bandwagon is falling apart. Losing rules stuff in court, worried about losing on the water. Only option left is to try to win the whole thing in court.

[sprtn94 8]

A couple of things,

 

First, for those Anarchists out of the country, think the Ronaldo of attorneys. (or Becks before he got involved with spice girls!)

 

Second, SNG had better have a come to Jesus meeting, Boies doesn't usually take on cases he doesn't think he can win. Furthermore, when this guy gets involved the gloves come off, he's a tactical pit bull. I would love to have been in those first few meetings with Boies, TE, Ellison and the current GGYC legal team. You can bet your ass that Boies's team will be calling ALL of the legal shots from this point forward.

 

Finally, don't bet on a race in February or at all for that matter. SNG had the chance to settle this on the water, but instead they decided to push the envelop at every single turn. So now, uncle Larry is finally tired of the bullshit and has hired the Babe Ruth of attorneys. Good luck Ernie, see your ass in Federal Court.

 

If he's smart, EB will pick up the phone tonight and give Larry a call. Time to mediate, asap.

[Starboard 0]

NQ, at last you got me to do it. My first ignore. Well done.

 

I expect it's your 27,459th, but who the fuck cares?

Good riddance asshole - and a mighty fuck you!

 

[hoom 576]

Headline: GGYC hires Next Best Lawyers

 

Seriously, sounds like Kearney getting the boot for failing miserably in the most recent case to me.

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS 1]

This just shows how much the BOR bandwagon is falling apart. Losing rules stuff in court, worried about losing on the water. Only option left is to try to win the whole thing in court.

 

 

YEAAH THATS RIGHT --IN THERE -IN COURT THOSE COURT RULES CANT BE ALL HACKED UP LIKE SNG-ISAF HAS DONE--

 

SIMONN YOUR SNG-ISAF BERTARELLI--WAGON IS BURNING AS ITS FLYING OFF AND OVER THE CLIFF- JUMP FOOL JUMP-

[Clancy 0]

This just shows how much the BOR bandwagon is falling apart. Losing rules stuff in court, worried about losing on the water. Only option left is to try to win the whole thing in court.

 

I gotta ask the question to all who say, "courts because they can't win on the water..."

 

If the judge sides with BMWO, doesn't that mean that Alinghi were breaking the rules? Now if BMWO go to court and lose, it means they are whiners. But if Alinghi lose, they are cheaters... right?

[FuckYou 3]

NQ, at last you got me to do it. My first ignore. Well done.

 

I expect it's your 27,459th, but who the fuck cares?

Good riddance asshole - and a mighty fuck you!

 

 

 

Damn, you guys play rough around here, but I do like the nice finger you just gave him. Good one.

[Finnfart 39]

This just shows how much the BOR bandwagon is falling apart. Losing rules stuff in court, worried about losing on the water. Only option left is to try to win the whole thing in court.

Simon... You can't be serious. I know you can use logic. How can there be a victory on the water if there are not rules? So yes, if there are no declared rules, the only reasonable course of action is to try to win in court (where there are rules, albeit, not perfectly clear ones - but better than none)

[Peelman 0]

This just shows how much the BOR bandwagon is falling apart. Losing rules stuff in court, worried about losing on the water. Only option left is to try to win the whole thing in court.

 

Until the Defender is ready to be sporting, being in the courts is the best place to be to sort some of this BS for the future. Please notice it says Defender & not a team.

[Tom Corbett 1]

David Boies is arguably the best litigator in the United States. The GGYC letter is clearly a shot across the bow of SNG and a sign that GGYC will not back down in protecting their rights and enforcing the Deed of Gift. In poker terms it's as if Larry looked Ernesto straight into the eyes and raised a whole bunch!

[Presuming Ed 189]

"the oldest trophy in sports"

 

er... no it's not. Not nearly. Bit of a mickey mouse error there.

 

Better hope there aren't any others.

[sprtn94 8]

Boies is the Russell Coutts of litigation. And a very cool guy. Good stuff on him from Time and Wired.

 

 

I have been assuming that both the venue choice and powered systems decision will both be going back to court soon, with BMW having a significant likelihood of prevailing on both issues. Boies appearance indicates that this is accurate, and that BMW's likelihood of prevailing just went up even more.

Boies is a chump and loser of epic proportions. Don't believe me? Boies failed representation of Al Gore gave George Bush the presidency - and the world paid a very high price for that fuck up. I am not sure Boies is the man for the job.

 

 

Boies was president of the Young Republican's while at Redlands University, wonder if we should really chalk that one up as a loss?

By the way, what the fuck does Bush have to do with sailing, asshole?

[Peelman 0]

"the oldest trophy in sports"

 

er... no it's not. Not nearly. Bit of a mickey mouse error there.

 

Better hope there aren't any others.

 

The AC separates itself by using the words active & continous trophy.

 

Doggett's Coat and Badge of rowing is older & suppose to be the oldest sporting contest but there is no trophy. The winner gets a red coat. Been going on since 1715. See http://www.watermenshall.org/dogget-race/

[Starboard 0]

Boies is the Russell Coutts of litigation. And a very cool guy. Good stuff on him from Time and Wired.

 

 

I have been assuming that both the venue choice and powered systems decision will both be going back to court soon, with BMW having a significant likelihood of prevailing on both issues. Boies appearance indicates that this is accurate, and that BMW's likelihood of prevailing just went up even more.

Boies is a chump and loser of epic proportions. Don't believe me? Boies failed representation of Al Gore gave George Bush the presidency - and the world paid a very high price for that fuck up. I am not sure Boies is the man for the job.

 

 

Boies was president of the Young Republican's while at Redlands University, wonder if we should really chalk that one up as a loss?

By the way, what the fuck does Bush have to do with sailing, asshole?

...are you having trouble following the plot - wankstain? Boies is suspect because he lost the biggest case ever. Bush doesn't have anything to do with sailing. This is about Boies wins and loses.

[luminary 34]

rightness, wrongness: these are luxuries of the poorly informed, with whom I count myself, who are unable to discern the opportunity in the greyness of legal doings.

 

If there is one thing that is patently clear from the proceedings of the last 2 years. Court is a crap shoot. Sometimes you win, some times you dont. If you dont get what you want, you go back until you do.

[Presuming Ed 189]

Doggett's Coat and Badge of rowing is older & suppose to be the oldest sporting contest but there is no trophy. The winner gets a red coat. Been going on since 1715. See http://www.watermenshall.org/dogget-race/

 

The Grand Challenge Cup at Henley Royal Regatta has been continuously contested since 1839 - with a couple of pauses for world wars (relatively minor gaps compared to the hiatuses in the AC). They've only had to replace the cup once.

 

The AC is the oldest trophy in international sport.

[sirjanhar 1]

Boies is the Russell Coutts of litigation. And a very cool guy. Good stuff on him from Time and Wired.

 

 

I have been assuming that both the venue choice and powered systems decision will both be going back to court soon, with BMW having a significant likelihood of prevailing on both issues. Boies appearance indicates that this is accurate, and that BMW's likelihood of prevailing just went up even more.

Boies is a chump and loser of epic proportions. Don't believe me? Boies failed representation of Al Gore gave George Bush the presidency - and the world paid a very high price for that fuck up. I am not sure Boies is the man for the job.

 

 

YOU WRONG-

 

US SUP COURT GAVE/CAVED IN TO YOUR BUDDY BUSH-

 

DB DIDNT LOSE -HE GOT IT RIGHT

 

 

Yes! US Supreme Court was full of judges appointed by Sr Bush.

[Uneven Keel 0]

Boies is the Russell Coutts of litigation. And a very cool guy. Good stuff on him from Time and Wired.

 

 

I have been assuming that both the venue choice and powered systems decision will both be going back to court soon, with BMW having a significant likelihood of prevailing on both issues. Boies appearance indicates that this is accurate, and that BMW's likelihood of prevailing just went up even more.

Boies is a chump and loser of epic proportions. Don't believe me? Boies failed representation of Al Gore gave George Bush the presidency - and the world paid a very high price for that fuck up. I am not sure Boies is the man for the job.

 

 

Boies was president of the Young Republican's while at Redlands University, wonder if we should really chalk that one up as a loss?

By the way, what the fuck does Bush have to do with sailing, asshole?

...are you having trouble following the plot - wankstain? Boies is suspect because he lost the biggest case ever. Bush doesn't have anything to do with sailing. This is about Boies wins and loses.

 

 

Starboard Quarter is 100% correct. He may have got there by random means, but he got there nevertheless.

 

IIRC, Bush made the whole Arabian Gulf (inlcuding the Strait of Hormuz) safe from Democracy.

 

Well done

[sirjanhar 1]

This just shows how much the BOR bandwagon is falling apart. Losing rules stuff in court, worried about losing on the water. Only option left is to try to win the whole thing in court.

 

 

I don't think anyone will ever worry about losing on the water, if rules are fair and just. It will be absurd have a race with one sided rules.

 

Both parties are pushing eachother to the extent they can. By engaging Boies, BMWO are just conveying that they would not take anything lying down.

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS 1]

Boies is the Russell Coutts of litigation. And a very cool guy. Good stuff on him from Time and Wired.

 

 

I have been assuming that both the venue choice and powered systems decision will both be going back to court soon, with BMW having a significant likelihood of prevailing on both issues. Boies appearance indicates that this is accurate, and that BMW's likelihood of prevailing just went up even more.

Boies is a chump and loser of epic proportions. Don't believe me? Boies failed representation of Al Gore gave George Bush the presidency - and the world paid a very high price for that fuck up. I am not sure Boies is the man for the job.

 

 

Boies was president of the Young Republican's while at Redlands University, wonder if we should really chalk that one up as a loss?

By the way, what the fuck does Bush have to do with sailing, asshole?

...are you having trouble following the plot - wankstain? Boies is suspect because he lost the biggest case ever. Bush doesn't have anything to do with sailing. This is about Boies wins and loses.

 

 

Starboard Quarter is 100% correct. He may have got there by random means, but he got there nevertheless.

 

IIRC, Bush made the whole Arabian Gulf (inlcuding the Strait of Hormuz) safe from Democracy.

Well done

 

 

I NOTICED YOU DIDNT SAY WITH DEMOCRACY--SAFE FROM IS NOT REALLY GOOD IF YOU SEE WHAT THE FRGING DICTATORS BUSH AND BUSH JR-DID

 

AND KILLED ALOT OF INNOCENT PEOPLE FOR THE BLACK GOLD THEY LOVE--

 

AND YOUR--WELL DONE IN YOUR WORDS-IS PRETTY SICK--AHOLE-

[Peelman 0]

This just shows how much the BOR bandwagon is falling apart. Losing rules stuff in court, worried about losing on the water. Only option left is to try to win the whole thing in court.

 

 

I don't think anyone will ever worry about losing on the water, if rules are fair and just. It will be absurd have a race with one sided rules.

 

Both parties are pushing eachother to the extent they can. By engaging Boies, BMWO are just conveying that they would not take anything lying down.

 

+1

[Xlot 835]

Don't know what Boies' rate would be: 400 $/hr?

[phomchick 30]

1. If you watch the BOR press conference video, you will see that Ellison was genuinely annoyed by SNGs "bending" (and concealment) of the rules. He thinks he's got a boat fast enough to win, but he's afraid SNG will do anything to keep them from winning, and that includes making up rules as they go along to stop GGYC from winning.
    
   
2. Ehman's flat statement that the SNG measurement rules will disqualify USA if they are enforced as written tells me there hasn't been any progress on this front. Marian, is SNG going to use rules to disqualify or cripple the GGYC yacht, while they bend the rules to give an advantage to their yacht (powered systems, movable ballast, etc)? How is this "winning on the water"?
    
   
3. The example of SDYC publishing the rules only weeks before the race is not a precedent setting example for SNG's bad behavior. Except for racing the catamaran (which I think was disgraceful), SDYC did nothing with the rules to disadvantage the challenger. That certainly doesn't seem to be the case this time.
   

[Brian Weslake 6]

At GGYC

Aren't these the ETNZ attorneys?

 

I hope Boies puts together a better case for BMWO than he did for ETNZ. What a crock of shit that was.

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS 1]

At GGYC

Aren't these the ETNZ attorneys?

 

I hope Boies puts together a better case for BMWO than he did for ETNZ. What a crock of shit that was.

 

 

IT WASNT YOUR ETNZ--

 

PLAINTIFF PARTY WAS TNZ LTD.

[Starboard 0]

Don't know what Boies' rate would be: 400 $/hr?

lol!! good one. You haven't bought legal services lately have you? A chump gets $350/hr. I am sure Boies is far more than $400. Maybe you forgot the '1'. $1,400/hr is still probably a little low.

[Uneven Keel 0]

TOM TOM TOM TOM

 

I NOTICED YOU DIDNT SAY WITH DEMOCRACY--SAFE FROM IS NOT REALLY GOOD IF YOU SEE WHAT THE FRGING DICTATORS BUSH AND BUSH JR-DID

 

AND KILLED ALOT OF INNOCENT PEOPLE FOR THE BLACK GOLD THEY LOVE--

 

AND YOUR--WELL DONE IN YOUR WORDS-IS PRETTY SICK--AHOLE-

 

Here's something for you to smoke in your pipe, MSP:

 

Bush may have tried to make the Gulf 'Safe FOR Democracy', but he's only achieved 'Safe FROM Democracy'.

 

Spelling wasn't Bush's strong point. (In fact, did he have any strong points at all?)

 

You will be pleased to know that there are currently only 15 Western Navies guarding the Race Course, given how safe you think it is. I also heard Larry's a trite more nervous about safety etc than you, brave soul.

[Rennmaus 2,350]

At GGYC

Aren't these the ETNZ attorneys?

 

I hope Boies puts together a better case for BMWO than he did for ETNZ. What a crock of shit that was.

 

 

IT WASNT YOUR ETNZ--

 

PLAINTIFF PARTY WAS TNZ LTD.

Is there a real legal difference? IIUIC, ETNZ is the "public image" of the team, chosen out of marketing reasons, has no own standing and represents TNZ Ltd., or do I have that wrong?

[Starboard 0]

I also heard Larry's a trite more nervous about safety etc than you, brave soul.

A billionaire jew 30 miles from Iran - I'll bet that doesn't happen everyday. Iran should be cooking up some juicy plans as we speak.

[Finnfart 39]

Don't know what Boies' rate would be: 400 $/hr?

 

You are low. Competent attorneys at Latham make that.

 

In the stratosphere a famous firms it varies widely, but $900 + happens up and down the eastern seabord.

[Xlot 835]

Don't know what Boies' rate would be: 400 $/hr?

lol!! good one. You haven't bought legal services lately have you? A chump gets $350/hr. I am sure Boies is far more than $400. Maybe you forgot the '1'. $1,400/hr is still probably a little low.

 

Gulp .. I think I'll shelve my plans to challenge for AC34

[Xlot 835]

.. Iran should be cooking up some juicy plans as we speak.

 

 

Not by themselves, I bet [ Zen are oui in agremént, monsieur l'ayatollah? Any time ze black bot is ahead, you send ze speedbots in. And you get 100 Rolexes, plus our secrét technology for drilling holes into chis, using zat uraniùm enrichmént plant of yours ]

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS 1]

At GGYC

Aren't these the ETNZ attorneys?

 

I hope Boies puts together a better case for BMWO than he did for ETNZ. What a crock of shit that was.

 

 

IT WASNT YOUR ETNZ--

 

PLAINTIFF PARTY WAS TNZ LTD.

Is there a real legal difference? IIUIC, ETNZ is the "public image" of the team, chosen out of marketing reasons, has no own standing and represents TNZ Ltd., or do I have that wrong?

 

 

YEAH THATS THE WAY IT WAS FILED-

 

KRISPY KREME=KK HAD POSTED ALL THE DETAILED BITS-ON NZ -ETC-

 

AS SHE DID THAT GREAT INTERVIEW AT LV-NZ WITH DALTON AND KNOWS ALL ABOUT IT-

[zillawatcher 0]

Gotta love that "make believe yacht club"! Too cool.

[xfire 17]

Don't know what Boies' rate would be: 400 $/hr?

Way higher than that.

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS 1]

I WONDER IF SNG -B O STRANGLER HONORED JUDGE CAHN'S EX PARTE ORDER TO PRESERVE ALL RECORDS AND EVIDENCE--

 

DAVID B --WILL BE WANTING THOSE DOCUMENTS NOW-

 

AND UPDATED -WITH THE ISAF SECRET SCAM DEAL WITH SNG-

 

AND ALL THE ISAF SNG DISCUSSIONS= SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM-

[Starboard 0]

ISAF SNG DISCUSSIONS= SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM-

Take all that bogus indian speak and shove it up your wigwam. You've got nothing indian boy. Just like the real indians - no part left in modern society. Go back to your bottle and peace pipe.

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS 1]

ISAF SNG DISCUSSIONS= SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM-

Take all that bogus indian speak and shove it up your wigwam. You've got nothing indian boy. Just like the real indians - no part left in modern society. Go back to your bottle and peace pipe.

 

 

IF ITS AL BS --WHATS YOUR REASONS FOR ALL THE ANGER AND FEAR YOUR SHOWING ?

 

SINCE NO QUARTER IS A MILTARY TERM FOR GIVING NO Q--

 

YOU ARE NO EXAMPLE THAT AND SO MISSED NAMED=BS

 

SO DONT BE SO SCARED-

 

ALSO NONE OF YOUR BIZNESS--

[kiwi_jon 3]

At GGYC

 

 

If at first you don't succeed get a bigger hammer.

 

What a bunch of losers

[tpletcher 19]

At GGYC

 

 

If at first you don't succeed get a bigger hammer.

 

What a bunch of losers

 

 

yeah, kinda like forming a sham yacht club to rig the event......

 

root cause of all of this BS at this point lies squarely at the feet of Mr. Bartarelli

[Go Left 11]

Don't know what Boies' rate would be: 400 $/hr?

Way higher than that.

 

The highest priced attorneys I know run $650 an hour and that's in the PNW. Don't call 'em for lunch and mention a "problem"!

 

I suspect Boies is pushing 4 digits.

[Tornadosail2012 3]

I hope that in bringing a new round to the courts the case will be fully researched and extremely well presented. But what are you looking for in bringing it a federal court? But in a joking post on another thread was the press release dated 2027. This may not be too far from the truth these days.

[Norberto 5]

This just shows how much the BOR bandwagon is falling apart. Losing rules stuff in court, worried about losing on the water. Only option left is to try to win the whole thing in court.

 

 

+10

 

While Alinghi is keeping their eyes on the sailing preparation, the BOR team is occupying themselves with a more basic approach to the AC: running over fishermen in the Med, and getting reinforcements for their legal team. Cant blame them with their past court room results and what .....

 

Good luck, BOR .... you'll need it!

[SimonN 281]

Some of you really don't understand. Some of you think this is all about "fairness". That is simply wrong. This is all about LE's inability to win the Cup, at any cost. LE is used to getting his own way by spending money. He buys whatever he wants. However, so far, he has tried 2 "normal" campaigns and spent more than any other team in those campaigns. For this AC, he was, yet again, prepared to outspend everybody, offering record pay and allotting record budgets. Now he discovers that the DOG gives all the advantages to the defender and that the challenger is left high and dry. I personally think that was deliberate in the DOG, to force some mutual consent. Therefore, having failed in the court to remove the advantage that the DOG gives the defender, it looks like he is going to try to get the defender DSQ'ed without sailing.

 

And all the time, you think this guy is sporting and about fairness. What most are unable to see is that LE is just as bad as EB.

 

Having said that, let's see what actions BOR take. If they simply appeal the location and rules issues, fine. All's fair in this war regarding that. But let's get the court to agree what the rules are (or aren't) and get the thing on the water. If the DOG is written to give the defender an advantage, so be it. Sort the rules and then sail. LE made a DOG challenge and needs to sail it as a DOG challenge, whatever that is and he needs to take a leaf out of GD's book and HTFU!

[Starboard 0]

ISAF SNG DISCUSSIONS= SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM-

Take all that bogus indian speak and shove it up your wigwam. You've got nothing indian boy. Just like the real indians - no part left in modern society. Go back to your bottle and peace pipe.

 

 

IF ITS AL BS --WHATS YOUR REASONS FOR ALL THE ANGER AND FEAR YOUR SHOWING ?

 

SINCE NO QUARTER IS A MILTARY TERM FOR GIVING NO Q--

 

YOU ARE NO EXAMPLE THAT AND SO MISSED NAMED=BS

 

SO DONT BE SO SCARED-

 

ALSO NONE OF YOUR BIZNESS--

 

The reason for the anger is your nonsense keeps getting on my computer screen. You say you have a lawsuit - but that is bullshit - you have nothing but a headache from too much drinking.

 

'Scared' - not of you injun boy. Look, you speak loads of fucking nonsense and talk all day about your lawsuit - yet the courts have heard nothing from you. We have been listening to your shit for about a year now. You produce nothing. You are a liar and a cheat. Never trust an indian. 'Indian giver' - you are rightly named.

[MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS 1]

ISAF SNG DISCUSSIONS= SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM-

Take all that bogus indian speak and shove it up your wigwam. You've got nothing indian boy. Just like the real indians - no part left in modern society. Go back to your bottle and peace pipe.

 

 

IF ITS AL BS --WHATS YOUR REASONS FOR ALL THE ANGER AND FEAR YOUR SHOWING ?

 

SINCE NO QUARTER IS A MILTARY TERM FOR GIVING NO Q--

 

YOU ARE NO EXAMPLE THAT AND SO MISSED NAMED=BS

 

SO DONT BE SO SCARED-

 

ALSO NONE OF YOUR BIZNESS--

 

The reason for the anger is your nonsense keeps getting on my computer screen. You say you have a lawsuit - but that is bullshit - you have nothing but a headache from too much drinking.

 

'Scared' - not of you injun boy. Look, you speak loads of fucking nonsense and talk all day about your lawsuit - yet the courts have heard nothing from you. We have been listening to your shit for about a year now. You produce nothing. You are a liar and a cheat. Never trust an indian. 'Indian giver' - you are rightly named.

 

 

YOU ARE QUITE DISTURBED -WHY-? NOW YOU SOUND LIKE YOUR FROATHING --LOL

[Bill E Goat 284]

EB is used to getting his own way by spending money. He buys whatever he wants.

Like TNZ

[tpletcher 19]

Some of you really don't understand. Some of you think this is all about "fairness". That is simply wrong. This is all about LE's inability to win the Cup, at any cost. LE is used to getting his own way by spending money. He buys whatever he wants. However, so far, he has tried 2 "normal" campaigns and spent more than any other team in those campaigns. For this AC, he was, yet again, prepared to outspend everybody, offering record pay and allotting record budgets. Now he discovers that the DOG gives all the advantages to the defender and that the challenger is left high and dry. I personally think that was deliberate in the DOG, to force some mutual consent. Therefore, having failed in the court to remove the advantage that the DOG gives the defender, it looks like he is going to try to get the defender DSQ'ed without sailing.

 

And all the time, you think this guy is sporting and about fairness. What most are unable to see is that LE is just as bad as EB.

 

Having said that, let's see what actions BOR take. If they simply appeal the location and rules issues, fine. All's fair in this war regarding that. But let's get the court to agree what the rules are (or aren't) and get the thing on the water. If the DOG is written to give the defender an advantage, so be it. Sort the rules and then sail. LE made a DOG challenge and needs to sail it as a DOG challenge, whatever that is and he needs to take a leaf out of GD's book and HTFU!

 

I'm sorry but the last however many months of litigious b.s. are the result of a brazen attempt by EB to rig the event. LE and Oracle would have been perfectly happy to compete in a challenger series if one that was appropriate had been brought to the table by a viable challenger, which CNEV as we now know obviously wasn't. In one respect I am quite surprised given the obvious collusion and ethically bankrupt CNEV approach that a challenge to suitability as trustee was not immediately forthcoming from multiple avenues.

 

That said, what is lost in all of this background noise is the idea of a sportsman like challenge. Notwithstanding the history of the NYYC and the SD debacle, at some point you have to say enough is enough and consider that someone needs to take the high road.

 

Why EB chose to take the low road is anyone's guess; hubris, arrogance, warped vision, whatever. What should make people angry is not the tedious back and forth of this last couple of years, but rather the root cause. The question that needs to be asked, in order for the AC to return to any type of relevance or dignity, is when is there going to be a trustee that truly embraces the intent of the Deed?

 

Romantic naivete on my part? perhaps. But seriously, to assert that SNG/EB has the high ground at this point from an ethical or competitive perspective is ludicrous. We wouldn't be here were it not for the asinine protocol coming out of the CNEV affair, it's that simple.

[Clancy 0]

This just shows how much the BOR bandwagon is falling apart. Losing rules stuff in court, worried about losing on the water. Only option left is to try to win the whole thing in court.

 

 

+10

 

While Alinghi is keeping their eyes on the sailing preparation, the BOR team is occupying themselves with a more basic approach to the AC: running over fishermen in the Med, and getting reinforcements for their legal team. Cant blame them with their past court room results and what .....

 

Good luck, BOR .... you'll need it!

 

 

For sure, JK, Spithill, Ashby, etc, etc are spending all their time plotting legal strategy. The sailing and design program is on hold while the legal battle is fought.

 

EDIT - anybody got a tally of days spent on the water? How many days have BMWO been out and how many have Alinghi been out.

[Tornadosail2012 3]

Some of you really don't understand. Some of you think this is all about "fairness". That is simply wrong. This is all about LE's inability to win the Cup, at any cost. LE is used to getting his own way by spending money. He buys whatever he wants. However, so far, he has tried 2 "normal" campaigns and spent more than any other team in those campaigns.

SimonN, while you are correct about the fact that LE has yet to win the AC on the water, you are far from correct about the reasons that this went to court. You can be an Alinghi fan and supporter and I say more power to you. As far as the reason that this went to court in the first place, it is the CNEV challenge and the protocol that followed. I do not like it being in court and think that at one point LE and crew had an opportunity to sit down and negotiate a reasonable outcome. Since that time is long gone and Alinghi is pulling every punch that they can to shove it up LE's ass as far as they can, I would go back to court as well.

[Trovão 469]

This just shows how much the BOR bandwagon is falling apart. Losing rules stuff in court, worried about losing on the water. Only option left is to try to win the whole thing in court.

 

 

+10

 

While Alinghi is keeping their eyes on the sailing preparation, the BOR team is occupying themselves with a more basic approach to the AC: running over fishermen in the Med, and getting reinforcements for their legal team. Cant blame them with their past court room results and what .....

 

Good luck, BOR .... you'll need it!

 

my dear impostor, do you mean le can't afford a sailing team, a designing team, a recon team and a legal team and that people at bmw/o have double or triple roles?

uhmm, i thought so

 

p.s. - i've been beaten by clancy.

[gavinspier 0]

When I read this thread I get the sense that the Lawyers are the chariot racers in this AC and not the sailors on their boats.

 

My lawyer is better than your lawyer.

 

HTFU everyone or maybe start Legal Anarchy!

[stripclubjunkie 1]

I kept reading that release expecting the breach of trust paragraph.

 

I said before and will say again - SNG was allowed in by mutual consent - they are not a deed legal entity. Sham regattas in the med don't cut it and there was no mechanism to remove the cup from them except on the water or via a breach suit once they had it. Once they lose or are stripped of the cup they are done for good as an AC player....

 

They had visions of F1 in their Alinghi eyes and not on running a simple regatta - LE was pretty much the only current player with the balls and wallet to call them on it. Yes Alinghi cooked up all sorts of pseudo legal crap (CNEV) and put out lots of "lets all play nice together" pr, but the truth is their eyes were on something bigger - the F1 style AC, and they really did have to back pedal and delay to meet and catch up to GGYC once they were called to task. They are still playing games as they know GGYC has the upper hand with time on the water and are doing everything possible to not actually have a damn yacht race - fucking with venue, rules and anything else that will keep them in the game cuz like I been sayin - once they are out - they are gone for good....

 

I hope GGYC do launch a breach case - I think they have enough ammo to prevail. Should be interesting to see what happens either way....

 

Simon and the other on the SNG/Slingh love train - seriously, do you really think SNG, a Swiss lake club, and their member peeps think their annual regatta(s) is/are on the ocean..?? Come on - sure they had some as a legal workaround but seriously, in plain common sense terms would the fine folks of SNG really consider that their normal regatta site..?? That is where the bullshit all began - not with LE and GGYC/BOR.

[Indio 892]

This latest epistle from BMWO is an inelegant blunt declaration in their best George Bush style that all options are still on the table. It was always on the cards that Larry was going to get a quicker gunslinger so David Boies was always in the frame. I would suggest that the Boies-advocated ETNZ anti-trust action against Alinghi and the associated details would not be entirely breaking news to the BMWO camp.

 

It's also a shot across the wake of Judge Judy's protracted deliberations which really should have been concluded by now: she can't be delving into things which have no direct bearing on the issues she has to render a decision on, surely!?!?

[Norberto 5]

This just shows how much the BOR bandwagon is falling apart. Losing rules stuff in court, worried about losing on the water. Only option left is to try to win the whole thing in court.

 

 

+10

 

While Alinghi is keeping their eyes on the sailing preparation, the BOR team is occupying themselves with a more basic approach to the AC: running over fishermen in the Med, and getting reinforcements for their legal team. Cant blame them with their past court room results and what .....

 

Good luck, BOR .... you'll need it!

 

my dear impostor, do you mean le can't afford a sailing team, a designing team, a recon team and a legal team and that people at bmw/o have double or triple roles?

uhmm, i thought so

 

p.s. - i've been beaten by clancy.

 

 

Dear Travao, of course Crazy Larry can afford all of that. He can afford the most expensive lawyers, the most expensive sailors, designers, facilities, he seems to have (and spend) money without end. More power to Crazy Larry as he goes about his business of buying expertise.

 

BUT ....... after how much money spent and STILL NOT SHOWING ANY RESULTS ....... will Crazy Larry give up, and go back to the rock that he crawled out from under? Because all his outspending isn't doing anybody any favors. There are many other people wanting to get involved, but cant because Crazy Larry has bought his way to the front of the line using his money.

 

The great BOR team ....... the largest budget for sailing ....... a huge budget for legal fees ......... years of trying ......... and they have accomplished NOTHING!

[Peelman 0]

This just shows how much the BOR bandwagon is falling apart. Losing rules stuff in court, worried about losing on the water. Only option left is to try to win the whole thing in court.

 

 

+10

 

While Alinghi is keeping their eyes on the sailing preparation, the BOR team is occupying themselves with a more basic approach to the AC: running over fishermen in the Med, and getting reinforcements for their legal team. Cant blame them with their past court room results and what .....

 

Good luck, BOR .... you'll need it!

 

my dear impostor, do you mean le can't afford a sailing team, a designing team, a recon team and a legal team and that people at bmw/o have double or triple roles?

uhmm, i thought so

 

p.s. - i've been beaten by clancy.

 

 

Dear Travao, of course Crazy Larry can afford all of that. He can afford the most expensive lawyers, the most expensive sailors, designers, facilities, he seems to have (and spend) money without end. More power to Crazy Larry as he goes about his business of buying expertise.

 

BUT ....... after how much money spent and STILL NOT SHOWING ANY RESULTS ....... will Crazy Larry give up, and go back to the rock that he crawled out from under? Because all his outspending isn't doing anybody any favors. There are many other people wanting to get involved, but cant because Crazy Larry has bought his way to the front of the line using his money.

 

The great BOR team ....... the largest budget for sailing ....... a huge budget for legal fees ......... years of trying ......... and they have accomplished NOTHING!

 

IMO you should be asking EB the same questions as this is about the 2 of them now. Keep in mind we won't be here if the path didn't have started with CNEV being a sham.

[gavinspier 0]

When I read this thread I get the sense that the Lawyers are the chariot racers in this AC and not the sailors on their boats.

 

My lawyer is better than your lawyer.

 

HTFU everyone or maybe start Legal AnarchyWankery!

 

I Fixed it for myself. Sorry!

[hhn92 43]

After a while certain things get to a point that, as TE stated, 'enough is enough'.

 

 

With Alinghi pushing every little item to the inth degree of legality, maybe LE's point of 'enough' has been reached and he wants to just quit playing around and go to the 'Nuclear Option'.

 

 

 

 

That may explain the Boies hiring for future litigation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No more playing around.

[gavinspier 0]

After a while certain things get to a point that, as TE stated, 'enough is enough'.

 

With Alinghi pushing every little item to the inth degree of legality, maybe LE's point of 'enough' has been reached and he wants to just quit playing around and go to the 'Nuclear Option'.

 

That may explain the Boies hiring for future litigation.

 

No more playing around.

 

Maybe you are right although I do not see LE's actions to date as "playing around". I also think LE will only say "enough" when he has the Cup on his office shelf.

[ro! 23]

This just shows how much the BOR bandwagon is falling apart. Losing rules stuff in court, worried about losing on the water. Only option left is to try to win the whole thing in court.

 

 

+10

 

While Alinghi is keeping their eyes on the sailing preparation, the BOR team is occupying themselves with a more basic approach to the AC: running over fishermen in the Med, and getting reinforcements for their legal team. Cant blame them with their past court room results and what .....

 

Good luck, BOR .... you'll need it!

 

my dear impostor, do you mean le can't afford a sailing team, a designing team, a recon team and a legal team and that people at bmw/o have double or triple roles?

uhmm, i thought so

 

p.s. - i've been beaten by clancy.

 

 

Dear Travao, of course Crazy Larry can afford all of that. He can afford the most expensive lawyers, the most expensive sailors, designers, facilities, he seems to have (and spend) money without end. More power to Crazy Larry as he goes about his business of buying expertise.

 

BUT ....... after how much money spent and STILL NOT SHOWING ANY RESULTS ....... will Crazy Larry give up, and go back to the rock that he crawled out from under? Because all his outspending isn't doing anybody any favors. There are many other people wanting to get involved, but cant because Crazy Larry has bought his way to the front of the line using his money.

 

The great BOR team ....... the largest budget for sailing ....... a huge budget for legal fees ......... years of trying ......... and they have accomplished NOTHING!

 

IMO you should be asking EB the same questions as this is about the 2 of them now. Keep in mind we won't be here if the path didn't have started with CNEV being a sham.

 

 

You guys always forget that le was willing to sign off on cnev, one boat teams and defender in the challenger series at one point, then his renta management te/rc talked him off of that cliff.

 

They are both ego bils and neither give a shit about your ideals of the America's Cup.. they are willing to fuck with each other and spend what ever it takes to possess it.

 

The judge needs to strip them of their ego stroker advisors and their fuck off lawyer teams and make them sit in a room together until they come up a set of rules and a venue, and then go race their fuck off boats on a dog course and make this shit fight be over.

 

It's now at the point where it's boring, you are posting the same fucking posts over and over again, like you think you it will change anything!

[TpaBayFlyFisher 0]

In this area I am an expert. David B. is American law's Superman and he does not take cases because he gets paid. He fights for causes............this is a very bad sign for EB and his sock puppets.

[gavinspier 0]

And the Legal Wanking continues unabashed.....

 

[kiwi_jon 3]

I kept reading that release expecting the breach of trust paragraph.

 

I said before and will say again - SNG was allowed in by mutual consent - they are not a deed legal entity. Sham regattas in the med don't cut it and there was no mechanism to remove the cup from them except on the water or via a breach suit once they had it. Once they lose or are stripped of the cup they are done for good as an AC player....

 

They had visions of F1 in their Alinghi eyes and not on running a simple regatta - LE was pretty much the only current player with the balls and wallet to call them on it. Yes Alinghi cooked up all sorts of pseudo legal crap (CNEV) and put out lots of "lets all play nice together" pr, but the truth is their eyes were on something bigger - the F1 style AC, and they really did have to back pedal and delay to meet and catch up to GGYC once they were called to task. They are still playing games as they know GGYC has the upper hand with time on the water and are doing everything possible to not actually have a damn yacht race - fucking with venue, rules and anything else that will keep them in the game cuz like I been sayin - once they are out - they are gone for good....

 

I hope GGYC do launch a breach case - I think they have enough ammo to prevail. Should be interesting to see what happens either way....

 

Simon and the other on the SNG/Slingh love train - seriously, do you really think SNG, a Swiss lake club, and their member peeps think their annual regatta(s) is/are on the ocean..?? Come on - sure they had some as a legal workaround but seriously, in plain common sense terms would the fine folks of SNG really consider that their normal regatta site..?? That is where the bullshit all began - not with LE and GGYC/BOR.

 

Right, and Larry/GGYC/BOR quite happily agreed with the Arbitration Panel that SNG were eligible and even jumped into bed with them as Challenger of Record for AC32.

 

Larry and Ernie had a joint vision for how the AC should be run in future. Larry thought that between them they would continue that vision but Ernie dumped him in favour of CNEV. This is personal and has nothing to do with the AC. Larry is quite prepared to drag the AC, ISAF and anyone else who gets in his way through the mire just to get back at Ernie and enforce his own vision for the AC. Ehman is just hanging on Larry's coat tails in the hope that he will get the job of running Larrys 'indpendent' Americas Cup Management Company. Coutt's just wants to get back at Ernie for not letting him sail for another team in AC32. BMWO is run by bitter, twisted men who all have their own agenda's. BMWO will implode before this all over and we are seeing the start of it already. Remember when SNG changed lawyers and all the jokes and derogatory comments made in this forum? Well the joke is now on GGYC.

 

This is not about CNEV or anything that happened after that. That was all done and dusted in April. This is is about BMWO not accepting that the Defender has all the rights in a DoG match. They will find it hard to argue against the MB CoA ruling, the April CoA ruling and JK's ruling all which say the same thing. The Defender can pretty much do what they like to uphold their Fiduciary Duty which is to defend the AC against the beneficiary, the Challenger.

 

I don't even know why they are doing this. It achieves nothing. They can't get their hands on the Cup without actually sailing for it. SNG could quite conceivably say fuck you and hand the Cup back to RNZYS along with a Challenge. Then BMWO are back at square one and having to race a bunch of other boats just for the chance to challenge again and we know how successful they have been at that.

[TpaBayFlyFisher 0]

Oh and several $pinters just puckered at ISAF too...................